Ottensen said:

paintedlady said:

This is not a gay/straight issue.... this is an issue of standard of self respect.

I didn't do what a lot of girls my age did that lived in my area, some thought I was a snob and bourghie but I just grew tired of the noise of the club scene... it was just a nasty meat market.

So I can totally relate with what you are saying. I never understood why people felt a need to plow themselves with drugs and alcohol to have fun, or sex up everything in sight and run their bodies ragged. Ridiculous!

You do you, it seems like you are ahead of the curve and loving who you are! Stay blessed

When I came of age, it was in South Beach, Florida with shenanigans going on you wouldn't believe. Back then, Miami Beach was being settled by the 30 somethings that came of age in club scene from 70's NY and Europe- they were creating a Studio 54 atmosphere on the beach and it was thrilling and hedonistic and just...dizzying...! For straights, for gays, for everybody!

But you know what? I had to grow up eventually and focus on the life I wanted for myself rather than be consumed with the Velvet Rope Lifestyle. This was true of a good portion of us from that time. Regardless of sexual orientation, after the thrill of nightlife wore off, people began to focus on things that were meaningful and lasting: their careers, businesses, home, spiritual walk, and so on. Gunsnhalen's issue has nothing to do with his sexuality vs.he needs to get away from the knuckleheads who have no sense of life purpose. His deal sounds to me as if it's a matter of finding the right friends with similar interests and values...and they're out there. You just gotta look for them in the right places. Being in a big city, there have got to be gay newspapers and websites available that have listings for non-club oriented events; think along the lines of volunteer organizations, special interest/hobby events, and gay friendly churches...

=], yes i am sure there are. I may dig deeper as i go down the rabbit hole that is Hollywood & L.A

Shanti0608 said:

You are not wrong. Those who judge you or try to put you into a box are wrong.

Those who tell you that maybe you should try to be something else are wrong.

Those people are jealous, ignorant or just plain stupid.

Labels suck, just be you!

Ugh labels do suck lol

Thank u

Ottensen said:

paintedlady said:

This is not a gay/straight issue.... this is an issue of standard of self respect.

I didn't do what a lot of girls my age did that lived in my area, some thought I was a snob and bourghie but I just grew tired of the noise of the club scene... it was just a nasty meat market.

So I can totally relate with what you are saying. I never understood why people felt a need to plow themselves with drugs and alcohol to have fun, or sex up everything in sight and run their bodies ragged. Ridiculous!

You do you, it seems like you are ahead of the curve and loving who you are! Stay blessed

Thank you=-] that does man a lot!

who cares if your right or your wrong. do what makes you feel happy. i personally feel we should all live in the woods and like understand each other.

Desire2006 said:

Maybe God is trying to tell u something!!! That u are STRAIGHT!!!

Have u tried changing your lifestyle????

how can god tell you anything when he isn't real. seems absurd.

baroque said:

Desire2006 said:

Maybe God is trying to tell u something!!! That u are STRAIGHT!!!

Have u tried changing your lifestyle????

how can god tell you anything when he isn't real. seems absurd.

johnart said:

OOOOOOOOOH! Cher and Liza mad. They reeeeeal mad.

You knew this was coming...

Genesia said:

johnart said:

OOOOOOOOOH! Cher and Liza mad. They reeeeeal mad.

You knew this was coming...

ahahahahaahahhaah

paintedlady said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I feel this may have been a bit of a joke, idk if they really meant anything bad about that statement=]

But either way i also am a Christian. And yes, with these crazy ass christians like the Westboro baptist church out there it does give us a bad name

I never take statements like these as a joke. I have seen too much in the church that caused great harm to straight AND gay young men to think otherwise.

Like a guy has to act any specific way? So if a little boy plays with a doll he's gay? You see where I am going with this....

Now I also must pull back a bit and say that I do not mean this as a personal attck on Desire2006, but an attack on the mentality behind a statement like the one she posted.

I just expect Christians to be the example of the greatest commandment. I know you understand, and so should Desire2006.

Desire2006 didn't dish out any hate, in fact from a Christian perspective I'd call his/her comment kind of a loving one.

It's a way, way different sentiment than "God hates Fags!" Of course that is disgusting, and very much a lie, and more the devil's work than God's.

abigail05 said:

paintedlady said:

I never take statements like these as a joke. I have seen too much in the church that caused great harm to straight AND gay young men to think otherwise.

Like a guy has to act any specific way? So if a little boy plays with a doll he's gay? You see where I am going with this....

Now I also must pull back a bit and say that I do not mean this as a personal attck on Desire2006, but an attack on the mentality behind a statement like the one she posted.

I just expect Christians to be the example of the greatest commandment. I know you understand, and so should Desire2006.

Desire2006 didn't dish out any hate, in fact from a Christian perspective I'd call his/her comment kind of a loving one.

It's a way, way different sentiment than "God hates Fags!" Of course that is disgusting, and very much a lie, and more the devil's work than God's.

I'm sick of this "innocent" "christian" way of telling folk that God doesn't like what you do and you're going to hell but we love you.

To tell someone that "Maybe God is telling you you should change" when we're not talkin about something like a bad habit, may not technically qualify as hate but it certainly is nowhere near love or even tolerance.

How come God never tells people to just stfu and keep some of that bs to themselves?

[Edited 11/16/10 9:57am]

I've decided I don't know anything about this topic.

But I just think in general--regardless of anything.. people have their little cliques..

I COULD BE WRONG, but.. I just think it's necessarily an orientation issue. I just think it's difficult to find one's niche sometimes..

yes you're wrong

if you don't start enjoying lady gaga you'll be eating pussy before you know it

Gunsnhalen said:

Shanti0608 said:

You are not wrong. Those who judge you or try to put you into a box are wrong.

Those who tell you that maybe you should try to be something else are wrong.

Those people are jealous, ignorant or just plain stupid.

Labels suck, just be you!

Ugh labels do suck lol

Thank u

YW

johnart said:

abigail05 said:

Desire2006 didn't dish out any hate, in fact from a Christian perspective I'd call his/her comment kind of a loving one.

It's a way, way different sentiment than "God hates Fags!" Of course that is disgusting, and very much a lie, and more the devil's work than God's.

How come God never tells people to just stfu and keep some of that bs to themselves?

[Edited 11/16/10 9:57am]

as stated before---he doesn't exist----

abigail05 said:

paintedlady said:

I never take statements like these as a joke. I have seen too much in the church that caused great harm to straight AND gay young men to think otherwise.

Like a guy has to act any specific way? So if a little boy plays with a doll he's gay? You see where I am going with this....

Now I also must pull back a bit and say that I do not mean this as a personal attck on Desire2006, but an attack on the mentality behind a statement like the one she posted.

I just expect Christians to be the example of the greatest commandment. I know you understand, and so should Desire2006.

Desire2006 didn't dish out any hate, in fact from a Christian perspective I'd call his/her comment kind of a loving one.

It's a way, way different sentiment than "God hates Fags!" Of course that is disgusting, and very much a lie, and more the devil's work than God's.

Sugar coated intolerance equals hate.

It was said in a "nice" way, but that statement is far from innocent, its actually evil because it tears down instead of building up.

[Edited 11/16/10 13:55pm]

deadmansbones said:

I've decided I don't know anything about this topic.

But I just think in general--regardless of anything.. people have their little cliques..

I COULD BE WRONG, but.. I just think it's necessarily an orientation issue. I just think it's difficult to find one's niche sometimes..

Co-signing this post right hurrr.

Gunsnhalen said:

Ok, i read the general discussion boards and i respect quite a few people on here=]

Btw been here for a bit but, don't post to much on this forum so hello everyone for 2nd=]

Ok, i have a serious question, i am 19 and i live in Hollywood, currently going to film school and music program. There is ton's of gay people around here, and i myself am gay. but i don't fit into the gay lifestyle... and i really don't want to.

I act like a regular guy like i am sure tons of gay's do as well, i dress pretty normal, i hate club music in fact Jazz & blues are my fav , 99 percent of my friend's are straight and i am ok with that..

A lot of gay's here, some are different but a lot fall into the girly, Lady GaGa worshiping gay people rule type stance.

I Lived in Texas, before i came down here i was on the football team and people in my town where very non cool with gay's, and all the open ones where stereotypical types. And so i was very quiet about anything to do with my private life, even to my best friend's for years. Now that i am in Hollywood they are very open here, and i think that is AWESOME!

But idk... it's weird i feel i have WAY more in common with my straight friend's then any gay/bi guy i come across. And my ex he was the same way almost no gay friend's, and the current guy i am interested is.... exactly like me to in that regard lol. Am i wrong for not trying to get more into the gay lifestyle? i mean it's just not me, i don't mind the fact almost all my friend's are straight but other people, seem to thank that is weird

I usually don't care what people think, but idk... Like i was for Gay Marriage but besides that i'm not into gay rights, parades or any crap like that.

I also try not to cuss but i am a guy.. and you know when guys always one up each other on insults lol i say fag and thing's.. it doesn't offend me personally. I respect those people who it does and i wouldn't say it around them, but it doesn't offend me at all, in fact any gay insult has never offended me personally.

Any who is this odd? surely there are more gay/bi people who might feel the same way

Hey there I'm gay, and I live in Los Angeles as well. It's better that you don't get caught up in the whole LA "lifestyle"....especially with becoming WeHo obsessed. Just a friendly tip. Just be yourself. You don't have to plaster NOH8 all over your face and attend rallies and stuff if you don't want to.

johnart said:

abigail05 said:

Desire2006 didn't dish out any hate, in fact from a Christian perspective I'd call his/her comment kind of a loving one.

It's a way, way different sentiment than "God hates Fags!" Of course that is disgusting, and very much a lie, and more the devil's work than God's.

I'm sick of this "innocent" "christian" way of telling folk that God doesn't like what you do and you're going to hell but we love you.

To tell someone that "Maybe God is telling you you should change" when we're not talkin about something like a bad habit, may not technically qualify as hate but it certainly is nowhere near love or even tolerance.

How come God never tells people to just stfu and keep some of that bs to themselves?

[Edited 11/16/10 9:57am]

I absolutely adore you.

johnart said:

abigail05 said:

Desire2006 didn't dish out any hate, in fact from a Christian perspective I'd call his/her comment kind of a loving one.

It's a way, way different sentiment than "God hates Fags!" Of course that is disgusting, and very much a lie, and more the devil's work than God's.

I'm sick of this "innocent" "christian" way of telling folk that God doesn't like what you do and you're going to hell but we love you.

To tell someone that "Maybe God is telling you you should change" when we're not talkin about something like a bad habit, may not technically qualify as hate but it certainly is nowhere near love or even tolerance.

How come God never tells people to just stfu and keep some of that bs to themselves?

[Edited 11/16/10 9:57am]

Because those statements stem from fear and have nothing to do with God.

Vendetta1 said:

johnart said:

I'm sick of this "innocent" "christian" way of telling folk that God doesn't like what you do and you're going to hell but we love you.

To tell someone that "Maybe God is telling you you should change" when we're not talkin about something like a bad habit, may not technically qualify as hate but it certainly is nowhere near love or even tolerance.

How come God never tells people to just stfu and keep some of that bs to themselves?

[Edited 11/16/10 9:57am]

I absolutely adore you.

And I you.

I'm picturing God goin to some asswipe: "Hey...Psst....girl, don't open yo mouth. No, no..really. Just try and sit this one out."

[Edited 11/16/10 21:09pm]

paintedlady said:

johnart said:

I'm sick of this "innocent" "christian" way of telling folk that God doesn't like what you do and you're going to hell but we love you.

To tell someone that "Maybe God is telling you you should change" when we're not talkin about something like a bad habit, may not technically qualify as hate but it certainly is nowhere near love or even tolerance.

How come God never tells people to just stfu and keep some of that bs to themselves?

[Edited 11/16/10 9:57am]

Because those statements stem from fear and have nothing to do with God.

ScarletScandal said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Ok, i read the general discussion boards and i respect quite a few people on here=]

Btw been here for a bit but, don't post to much on this forum so hello everyone for 2nd=]

Ok, i have a serious question, i am 19 and i live in Hollywood, currently going to film school and music program. There is ton's of gay people around here, and i myself am gay. but i don't fit into the gay lifestyle... and i really don't want to.

I act like a regular guy like i am sure tons of gay's do as well, i dress pretty normal, i hate club music in fact Jazz & blues are my fav , 99 percent of my friend's are straight and i am ok with that..

A lot of gay's here, some are different but a lot fall into the girly, Lady GaGa worshiping gay people rule type stance.

I Lived in Texas, before i came down here i was on the football team and people in my town where very non cool with gay's, and all the open ones where stereotypical types. And so i was very quiet about anything to do with my private life, even to my best friend's for years. Now that i am in Hollywood they are very open here, and i think that is AWESOME!

But idk... it's weird i feel i have WAY more in common with my straight friend's then any gay/bi guy i come across. And my ex he was the same way almost no gay friend's, and the current guy i am interested is.... exactly like me to in that regard lol. Am i wrong for not trying to get more into the gay lifestyle? i mean it's just not me, i don't mind the fact almost all my friend's are straight but other people, seem to thank that is weird

I usually don't care what people think, but idk... Like i was for Gay Marriage but besides that i'm not into gay rights, parades or any crap like that.

I also try not to cuss but i am a guy.. and you know when guys always one up each other on insults lol i say fag and thing's.. it doesn't offend me personally. I respect those people who it does and i wouldn't say it around them, but it doesn't offend me at all, in fact any gay insult has never offended me personally.

Any who is this odd? surely there are more gay/bi people who might feel the same way

Hey there I'm gay, and I live in Los Angeles as well. It's better that you don't get caught up in the whole LA "lifestyle"....especially with becoming WeHo obsessed. Just a friendly tip. Just be yourself. You don't have to plaster NOH8 all over your face and attend rallies and stuff if you don't want to.

Aww i see, yeah WEHO is cool, a nice place but not a place i'd go everyday lol

johnart said:

abigail05 said:

Desire2006 didn't dish out any hate, in fact from a Christian perspective I'd call his/her comment kind of a loving one.

It's a way, way different sentiment than "God hates Fags!" Of course that is disgusting, and very much a lie, and more the devil's work than God's.

I'm sick of this "innocent" "christian" way of telling folk that God doesn't like what you do and you're going to hell but we love you.

To tell someone that "Maybe God is telling you you should change" when we're not talkin about something like a bad habit, may not technically qualify as hate but it certainly is nowhere near love or even tolerance.

How come God never tells people to just stfu and keep some of that bs to themselves?

[Edited 11/16/10 9:57am]

Coming from a non crazy christian, who believes people should believe whatever they want to. Co Sign on that