sextonseven said:

noimageatall said:

I remember reading bad reviews for this movie. Not saying most of his other movies weren't great, I was just trying to make the point that when people don't like a non-Black director, actor, or one of their movies, they don't ususally say it's makes it bad for that entire genre or that serious "white" films are toast.

I don't know from where you got that quote, but it's wrong. As you can clearly see from these movie review links, Eyes Wide Shut was not critically panned:

http://www.rottentomatoes...wide_shut/

http://www.metacritic.com...-wide-shut

And as to your point about black vs. white directors, of course it's different because there are a million white directors out there making films receiveing major distribution. Not so with black directors which is why when the most prominent one comes up short, he's under the microscope.

Pretty much.

SCNDLS said:

paisleypark4 said:

SCNDLS said:

Question: Did the director's of all those movies at least go to film school? Has TP?

Before I look (I'm on the train)... Did Prince and Michael come out of college with music degrees?

Ummm, not even the same thing but if that works for you.

Making movies is a skill and a craft and almost every respected director no matter how much natural talent (of which he has NONE) they may possess knows the value of film school. A lot of the criticism hurled TP's way is due to his obvious derth in technical knowledge of filmmaking and screenwriting technique. Oh, I guess film school is good enough for Spielberg, Scorcese, Woody Allen, Kasi Lemmons, Spike Lee, Malcolm Lee, John Singleton, Gina PrinceBythewood, the Hudlin Brothers but TP is sooooo talented he don't need it???

Again, cuz he ain't gettin' none of my money for his sophmoric efforts

[Edited 11/17/10 17:12pm]

L4OATheOriginal said:

phunkdaddy said:

I've always wondered why folks are trying to hold Tyler to a higher standard than other

black filmmakers. I didn't see the backlash in the 90's when every black film mirrored

Boyz in the Hood(which was cool) and Menace To Society.

yeah i guess tyler has 2 do a gone with the wind type of movie. or if he does those hip hop movies like belly.

i enjoy tyler's movies if the only criticism i have of his films is the hurry up endings.

paisleypark4 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

yeah i guess tyler has 2 do a gone with the wind type of movie. or if he does those hip hop movies like belly.

i enjoy tyler's movies if the only criticism i have of his films is the hurry up endings.

I know...I think the orgers want Amistad 2, Roots 2, Queen 2 and Eve's Bayou (pt. 2)..and because he didnt make those to hell with him.

You forgot Menace II Society and Juice(what a classic that was)

sarcasm

paisleypark4 said:

KatSkrizzle said:

Because it's created from the same dude, dude. And you went all over the earth to defend the character.

Swangangin from his NUTS!

Dude.

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Yes another day, another dollar, another slay. U mad? The only thing you posted were something negative to say about the film. Have you seen it? I want to see the receipts because the only thing you posted were the reviews from other people. Sit down somewhere. Y U Mad?

The receipts? Whitney? You know I do bootleg! Esp for TP!

You are really up dudes nutsack. The org should totally start the Tyler Perry's nuts and more forum!

paisleypark4 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

yeah i guess tyler has 2 do a gone with the wind type of movie. or if he does those hip hop movies like belly.

i enjoy tyler's movies if the only criticism i have of his films is the hurry up endings.

I know...I think the orgers want Amistad 2, Roots 2, Queen 2 and Eve's Bayou (pt. 2)..and because he didnt make those to hell with him.

Tyler Perry re-make Amistad?

You.are.so.up.his.nutsack!!!!!!

SCNDLS said:

paisleypark4 said:

SCNDLS said: Before I look (I'm on the train)... Did Prince and Michael come out of college with music degrees?

Ummm, not even the same thing but if that works for you.

Making movies is a skill and a craft and almost every respected director no matter how much natural talent (of which he has NONE) they may possess knows the value of film school. A lot of the criticism hurled TP's way is due to his obvious derth in technical knowledge of filmmaking and screenwriting technique. Oh, I guess film school is good enough for Spielberg, Scorcese, Woody Allen, Kasi Lemmons, Spike Lee, Malcolm Lee, John Singleton, Gina PrinceBythewood, the Hudlin Brothers but TP is sooooo talented he don't need it???

Again, cuz he ain't gettin' none of my money for his sophmoric efforts

[Edited 11/17/10 17:12pm]

That fool could at least finish his G.E.D. ... and inspire a grade school class' filming of their school play!

My girlfriend that does wardrobe for movies all over ATL tells me all the juice about the hot mess of a set TP's are. He is truly a moody diva and will be gone from the set for a week. People show for work, but if he catches a mood, he'll storm off in a minute. In the film biz, three days without anyone working costs crazy money. No one knows what they're doing...oh the stories I hear.

She's working on the BET's the Game right now. Pumping her for some juice.

KatSkrizzle said:

SCNDLS said:

Ummm, not even the same thing but if that works for you.

Making movies is a skill and a craft and almost every respected director no matter how much natural talent (of which he has NONE) they may possess knows the value of film school. A lot of the criticism hurled TP's way is due to his obvious derth in technical knowledge of filmmaking and screenwriting technique. Oh, I guess film school is good enough for Spielberg, Scorcese, Woody Allen, Kasi Lemmons, Spike Lee, Malcolm Lee, John Singleton, Gina PrinceBythewood, the Hudlin Brothers but TP is sooooo talented he don't need it???

Again, cuz he ain't gettin' none of my money for his sophmoric efforts

[Edited 11/17/10 17:12pm]

That fool could at least finish his G.E.D. ... and inspire a grade school class' filming of their school play!

My girlfriend that does wardrobe for movies all over ATL tells me all the juice about the hot mess of a set TP's are. He is truly a moody diva and will be gone from the set for a week. People show for work, but if he catches a mood, he'll storm off in a minute. In the film biz, three days without anyone working costs crazy money. No one knows what they're doing...oh the stories I hear.

She's working on the BET's the Game right now. Pumping her for some juice.

Speaking of the game, I just saw on MTO that the white girl gets paid more than anyone else and the cast is heated, is that true? That doesn't sound right to me tho.

phunkdaddy said:

TonyVanDam said:

If THIS is how you really feel, then send an E-mail to all of your favorite black filmmakers and ask them to do some about it, instead of wasting your time bitching about the ugly truth about Tyler Perry success at the box office.

[Edited 11/16/10 15:52pm]

I've always wondered why folks are trying to hold Tyler to a higher standard than other

black filmmakers. I didn't see the backlash in the 90's when every black film mirrored

Boyz in the Hood(which was cool) and Menace To Society.

My point exactly!

2freaky4church1 said:

This thread has gone apeshit. What have I done?

You have awaken the souls of black folks. Shame on you!

SCNDLS said:

KatSkrizzle said:

SCNDLS said:

paisleypark4 said:

SCNDLS said: Before I look (I'm on the train)... Did Prince and Michael come out of college with music degrees?

Ummm, not even the same thing but if that works for you.

Making movies is a skill and a craft and almost every respected director no matter how much natural talent (of which he has NONE) they may possess knows the value of film school. A lot of the criticism hurled TP's way is due to his obvious derth in technical knowledge of filmmaking and screenwriting technique. Oh, I guess film school is good enough for Spielberg, Scorcese, Woody Allen, Kasi Lemmons, Spike Lee, Malcolm Lee, John Singleton, Gina PrinceBythewood, the Hudlin Brothers but TP is sooooo talented he don't need it???

Again, cuz he ain't gettin' none of my money for his sophmoric efforts

[Edited 11/17/10 17:12pm]

it is the age old argument tho of who's qualified to make a movie, cause i'm still wondering how movies like date movie, and other films like that genre get made but yet the likes of spike, malcom, prince blytewood get budgets of less amounts. spike was highly critical of spielberg for making the color purple sayingit should have been made by a african american. there is no right or wrong but films are what makes the world go round

L4OATheOriginal said:

SCNDLS said:

Ummm, not even the same thing but if that works for you.

Making movies is a skill and a craft and almost every respected director no matter how much natural talent (of which he has NONE) they may possess knows the value of film school. A lot of the criticism hurled TP's way is due to his obvious derth in technical knowledge of filmmaking and screenwriting technique. Oh, I guess film school is good enough for Spielberg, Scorcese, Woody Allen, Kasi Lemmons, Spike Lee, Malcolm Lee, John Singleton, Gina PrinceBythewood, the Hudlin Brothers but TP is sooooo talented he don't need it???

Again, cuz he ain't gettin' none of my money for his sophmoric efforts

[Edited 11/17/10 17:12pm]

it is the age old argument tho of who's qualified to make a movie, cause i'm still wondering how movies like date movie, and other films like that genre get made but yet the likes of spike, malcom, prince blytewood get budgets of less amounts. spike was highly critical of spielberg for making the color purple sayingit should have been made by a african american. there is no right or wrong but films are what makes the world go round

Sorry Spike. People are still talking about the Color Purple 20 yrs later . Obviously it was a film

well done.

phunkdaddy said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

it is the age old argument tho of who's qualified to make a movie, cause i'm still wondering how movies like date movie, and other films like that genre get made but yet the likes of spike, malcom, prince blytewood get budgets of less amounts. spike was highly critical of spielberg for making the color purple sayingit should have been made by a african american. there is no right or wrong but films are what makes the world go round

Sorry Spike. People are still talking about the Color Purple 20 yrs later . Obviously it was a film

well done.

Spike's a hater for real.

phunkdaddy said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

it is the age old argument tho of who's qualified to make a movie, cause i'm still wondering how movies like date movie, and other films like that genre get made but yet the likes of spike, malcom, prince blytewood get budgets of less amounts. spike was highly critical of spielberg for making the color purple sayingit should have been made by a african american. there is no right or wrong but films are what makes the world go round

Sorry Spike. People are still talking about the Color Purple 20 yrs later . Obviously it was a film

well done.

People are still talking about "Driving Miss Daisy" too,,,oh wait, there's also a broadway revival as if the movie wasn't enough god help us.

Both films don't mean shit to me, just because the bogus mainstream wanna ride it won't mean I will too. That being said, gravy & a bag of beans for all of them as long as nobody from my friends wanna drag me there because by then somebody's gonna get hurt, either me or them,,,,and it WON'T be me.

And I know folks wanna get on Spike's case for being a big mouth but I personally applaud his courage to speak his mind rather than resort to the popular cowardly "I don't wanna be a hater, so I'll keep my HONEST opinion to myself and join the rest of the mute mice" attitude, we need more Spikes today.

Now, I've said my peace about TP, and I do think its unfair to put him in a pedestal. I also think that folks who don't go out of their way to support indie black films(the type of films they do WANT TO see, mind you) need to learn how to STFU when their complaint mode gets a roll. Supply & demand, sweetheart, how else would those people know that you want their products if you don't spend your money,,,,,,shit, some of them even hold free screenings, FREE!!! Is there any more excuse?

And BTW Paisley, Michael & Prince worked their asses off to make their craft sound presentable, they embraced change and developed their skills along the way. This motherfucker FLATLY said that he's not willing to expand his horizion simply because his audience are already happy with his movies just the way they are See, no condescending overtones from my end, dude is letting you know right off the bat that he thinks his audience are willing to eat whatever he's dumbing to them.

But hey, TP can keep his church bunnies cumming like the Niagara Falls till they dry out,,,,,I can't rob them out of their fun, let them enjoy it. I simply won't spend my money on him ever again,,,,,,I don't care if he decides to make Octavia Butler's "Kindred" as his next butchered victim.

Harlepolis said:

phunkdaddy said:

Sorry Spike. People are still talking about the Color Purple 20 yrs later . Obviously it was a film

well done.

People are still talking about "Driving Miss Daisy" too,,,oh wait, there's also a broadway revival as if the movie wasn't enough god help us.

Both films don't mean shit to me, just because the bogus mainstream wanna ride it won't mean I will too. That being said, gravy & a bag of beans for all of them as long as nobody from my friends wanna drag me there because by then somebody's gonna get hurt, either me or them,,,,and it WON'T be me.

And I know folks wanna get on Spike's case for being a big mouth but I personally applaud his courage to speak his mind rather than resort to the popular cowardly "I don't wanna be a hater, so I'll keep my HONEST opinion to myself and join the rest of the mute mice" attitude, we need more Spikes today.

Now, I've said my peace about TP, and I do think its unfair to put him in a pedestal. I also think that folks who don't go out of their way to support indie black films(the type of films they do WANT TO see, mind you) need to learn how to STFU when their complaint mode gets a roll. Supply & demand, sweetheart, how else would those people know that you want their products if you don't spend your money,,,,,,shit, some of them even hold free screenings, FREE!!! Is there any more excuse?

And BTW Paisley, Michael & Prince worked their asses off to make their craft sound presentable, they embraced change and developed their skills along the way. This motherfucker FLATLY said that he's not willing to expand his horizion simply because his audience are already happy with his movies just the way they are See, no condescending overtones from my end, dude is letting you know right off the bat that he thinks his audience are willing to eat whatever he's dumbing to them.

But hey, TP can keep his church bunnies cumming like the Niagara Falls till they dry out,,,,,I can't rob them out of their fun, let them enjoy it. I simply won't spend my money on him ever again,,,,,,I don't care if he decides to make Octavia Butler's "Kindred" as his next butchered victim.

Spike can speak his mind all he wants. My problem is put your money where your mouth is.

If you aren't doing anything to change the game then what the hell are you griping about.

There is yet to be a film on the late great Otis Redding. I'd like to see it and i would think a

lot of folks would be interested in this film being done. He did so with Malcolm X.

phunkdaddy said:

Harlepolis said:

People are still talking about "Driving Miss Daisy" too,,,oh wait, there's also a broadway revival as if the movie wasn't enough god help us.

Both films don't mean shit to me, just because the bogus mainstream wanna ride it won't mean I will too. That being said, gravy & a bag of beans for all of them as long as nobody from my friends wanna drag me there because by then somebody's gonna get hurt, either me or them,,,,and it WON'T be me.

And I know folks wanna get on Spike's case for being a big mouth but I personally applaud his courage to speak his mind rather than resort to the popular cowardly "I don't wanna be a hater, so I'll keep my HONEST opinion to myself and join the rest of the mute mice" attitude, we need more Spikes today.

Now, I've said my peace about TP, and I do think its unfair to put him in a pedestal. I also think that folks who don't go out of their way to support indie black films(the type of films they do WANT TO see, mind you) need to learn how to STFU when their complaint mode gets a roll. Supply & demand, sweetheart, how else would those people know that you want their products if you don't spend your money,,,,,,shit, some of them even hold free screenings, FREE!!! Is there any more excuse?

And BTW Paisley, Michael & Prince worked their asses off to make their craft sound presentable, they embraced change and developed their skills along the way. This motherfucker FLATLY said that he's not willing to expand his horizion simply because his audience are already happy with his movies just the way they are See, no condescending overtones from my end, dude is letting you know right off the bat that he thinks his audience are willing to eat whatever he's dumbing to them.

But hey, TP can keep his church bunnies cumming like the Niagara Falls till they dry out,,,,,I can't rob them out of their fun, let them enjoy it. I simply won't spend my money on him ever again,,,,,,I don't care if he decides to make Octavia Butler's "Kindred" as his next butchered victim.

Spike can speak his mind all he wants. My problem is put your money where your mouth is.

If you aren't doing anything to change the game then what the hell are you griping about.

There is yet to be a film on the late great Otis Redding. I'd like to see it and i would think a

lot of folks would be interested in this film being done. He did so with Malcolm X.

He can make time for ONE important man in American and world history but he can't do one for one of the greatest singers of all time... smh didn't he talked of doing a movie on Hendrix or Otis (I forget which one)? What happened with that?!

Timmy84 said:

phunkdaddy said:

Spike can speak his mind all he wants. My problem is put your money where your mouth is.

If you aren't doing anything to change the game then what the hell are you griping about.

There is yet to be a film on the late great Otis Redding. I'd like to see it and i would think a

lot of folks would be interested in this film being done. He did so with Malcolm X.

He can make time for ONE important man in American and world history but he can't do one for one of the greatest singers of all time... smh didn't he talked of doing a movie on Hendrix or Otis (I forget which one)? What happened with that?!

I never heard of it but it would be a good idea if he pulled it off.

I know he once spoke of doing a film about Jackie Robinson but

that never happened either.

phunkdaddy said:

Timmy84 said:

He can make time for ONE important man in American and world history but he can't do one for one of the greatest singers of all time... smh didn't he talked of doing a movie on Hendrix or Otis (I forget which one)? What happened with that?!

I never heard of it but it would be a good idea if he pulled it off.

I know he once spoke of doing a film about Jackie Robinson but

that never happened either.

THAT WAS THE ONE! I'm kinda pissed nothing came out of that. I do believe he talked about doing Hendrix though if not Otis. I know Otis' was supposed to be made but I wonder if it was the pick that led to trouble. I mean they DID pick Mr. Cuba Gooding, Jr.

I think Spike's filmography can easily speak for itself, so in a sense, he already put his money where his mouth is.

Harlepolis said:

I think Spike's filmography can easily speak for itself, so in a sense, he already put his money where his mouth is.

Some hits and some misses imo.

phunkdaddy said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

it is the age old argument tho of who's qualified to make a movie, cause i'm still wondering how movies like date movie, and other films like that genre get made but yet the likes of spike, malcom, prince blytewood get budgets of less amounts. spike was highly critical of spielberg for making the color purple sayingit should have been made by a african american. there is no right or wrong but films are what makes the world go round

Sorry Spike. People are still talking about the Color Purple 20 yrs later . Obviously it was a film

well done.

no doubt and still peeves me 20 years later how it got 11 oscar nominations and didn't win one award

phunkdaddy said:

Harlepolis said:

People are still talking about "Driving Miss Daisy" too,,,oh wait, there's also a broadway revival as if the movie wasn't enough god help us.

Both films don't mean shit to me, just because the bogus mainstream wanna ride it won't mean I will too. That being said, gravy & a bag of beans for all of them as long as nobody from my friends wanna drag me there because by then somebody's gonna get hurt, either me or them,,,,and it WON'T be me.

And I know folks wanna get on Spike's case for being a big mouth but I personally applaud his courage to speak his mind rather than resort to the popular cowardly "I don't wanna be a hater, so I'll keep my HONEST opinion to myself and join the rest of the mute mice" attitude, we need more Spikes today.

Now, I've said my peace about TP, and I do think its unfair to put him in a pedestal. I also think that folks who don't go out of their way to support indie black films(the type of films they do WANT TO see, mind you) need to learn how to STFU when their complaint mode gets a roll. Supply & demand, sweetheart, how else would those people know that you want their products if you don't spend your money,,,,,,shit, some of them even hold free screenings, FREE!!! Is there any more excuse?

And BTW Paisley, Michael & Prince worked their asses off to make their craft sound presentable, they embraced change and developed their skills along the way. This motherfucker FLATLY said that he's not willing to expand his horizion simply because his audience are already happy with his movies just the way they are See, no condescending overtones from my end, dude is letting you know right off the bat that he thinks his audience are willing to eat whatever he's dumbing to them.

But hey, TP can keep his church bunnies cumming like the Niagara Falls till they dry out,,,,,I can't rob them out of their fun, let them enjoy it. I simply won't spend my money on him ever again,,,,,,I don't care if he decides to make Octavia Butler's "Kindred" as his next butchered victim.

Spike can speak his mind all he wants. My problem is put your money where your mouth is.

If you aren't doing anything to change the game then what the hell are you griping about.

There is yet to be a film on the late great Otis Redding. I'd like to see it and i would think a

lot of folks would be interested in this film being done. He did so with Malcolm X.

spike from the time of girl 6 was talking about doing the jackie robinson film, don't know what is going on with that anymore. there have been talks of doing films about robert johnson, marvin gaye, james brown. hollywood is just a funny ass place and it's all a matter of what gets green lit and what doesn't or has the financial backing 2 get made

Timmy84 said:

phunkdaddy said:

I never heard of it but it would be a good idea if he pulled it off.

I know he once spoke of doing a film about Jackie Robinson but

that never happened either.

THAT WAS THE ONE! I'm kinda pissed nothing came out of that. I do believe he talked about doing Hendrix though if not Otis. I know Otis' was supposed to be made but I wonder if it was the pick that led to trouble. I mean they DID pick Mr. Cuba Gooding, Jr.

yeah and i think that andre 3000 was being talked as the lead to play hendrix

Shoewhore said:

kibbles said:

like i said, my mom said it was a hot mess. she read the book a long time ago, and apparently the book is a little different than the play which she didn't see, but she said he took 'great liberties'. i really don't think she understands the source material in the first place, to be somewhat fair to perry.

i was surprised she went to see it; i'm going up to san fran at thanksgiving and i thought i was going to have to talk her into it. i was going to suggest we go for 'shits and giggles' because i know better to expect anything from perry.

For black men who have considered homicide after watching another Tyler Perry movie - funnny, but can a sista get in on that, too.

No, your mom is right. Perry is the one who didn't understand the source material. He did take great liberties with the original work. He took poems completely out of context and split them up in ways that robbed them of their power and meaning.

The one area where the movie succeeds is the cast. But those actresses deserved so much better than what Perry gave them to work with. With that cast (yes, even Janet's non-acting self) this story could have been done so much better.

The biggest disservice Perry did to the original work was the men. This story isn't about the men, it's about the women. The men didn't even need to be in the movie. It would have been closer to it's real power had the movie solely focused on the women.

(unhibing)

paisleypark4 said:

KatSkrizzle said:

For black men who have considered homicide after watching another Tyler Perry movie

http://www.washingtonpost...04428.html

Here is another side of his movie...... Read on

Can anyone name a movie that came out recently starring a black man who wasn't a sociopath? Someone who had a terrific screen presence, like a young Paul Robeson? And he portrayed a character who was complex and fully drawn? Did he respect black women, too?

Anybody see that movie? I didn't. But surely it's out there somewhere, right? An alternative to those Tyler Perry films portraying black men as Satan's gift to black women? But where is it?

Maybe I didn't hear about it because of all the buzz over Perry's "For Colored Girls," which opened Friday and is based on Ntozake Shange's 1975 stage play, "For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide When the Rainbow is Enuf."

Or maybe I didn't hear about it because I was retching too loudly after seeing "For Colored Girls" - and reading so many inexplicably glowing reviews.

"This movie is powerful," Demetria L. Lucas wrote recently in Essence, the nation's premier magazine for black women. "It is incredible. The performances in it are astonishing, but most of all, this film will leave you lifted."

Me, I thought the movie should have been renamed: "For Black Men Who Have Considered Homicide After Watching Another Perry Movie."

"Oscar buzz, breaking news," read the Hollywood Reporter on Friday. "Will 'For Colored Girls' blindside Tyler Perry's critics?"

Too late. I was blindsided while watching the movie, especially when superstar Janet Jackson appeared onscreen looking like Michael Jackson with breast implants.

"Don't laugh," says Shadow and Act, an online publication about black films and filmmakers. " 'For Colored Girls,' an Oscar contender?"

Oscar for what?

In the category for best infection of a black woman with a sexually transmitted disease that renders her infertile. . . . And the winner is: black man.

For best down-low, double-dealing husband who has sex with wife while sneaking around having sex with men on the streets. . . . And the winner is: black man.

For best portrayal of a guy who at first seems nice but turns out to be a rapist. . . . And the winner is - OMG, his third of the night - black man!

"You may need some time alone after viewing 'For Colored Girls,' " wrote Tonya Pendleton for BlackAmericaWeb.com. "Whatever you may think of the fact that it was Tyler Perry who finally brought the award-winning 1974 Ntozake Shange stage production to the big screen, it will move you."

So will ex-lax.

"You will want to know that two kids get thrown out the window by their father," wrote Jane Nosonchuk for Hamptonroads.com. "The scene is well done."

Do I hear another Oscar nomination?

"The men in the movie are all bad guys except for the cop," Nosonchuk wrote. "They are a means to an end rather than any lead characters. Also, a back-room abortion may disturb some."

You think?

What an awful year for movies featuring black actors. Samuel L. Jackson in "Unthinkable." Thoughtless would be more like it. "Brooklyn's Finest" had a nice cast, with Don Cheadle and Wesley Snipes. But Richard Gere and Ethan Hawke got top billing. "Our Family Wedding" with Forrest Whitaker was okay. But how many black wedding comedies can you watch? Even preacher T.D. Jakes is coming out with his own copycat wedding movie next year.

Surely Spike Lee and Denzel Washington could team up for a sweeping historical drama - say, a black sharecropper's son, educated in a one-room schoolhouse built by slaves in Alabama, who grows up to become one of Wall Street's most powerful CEOs.

Smarter than Gordon Gekko and more complex. With a cameo appearance by former Merrill Lynch chief executive Stanley O'Neal.

Maybe you saw the kind of movie I'm talking about. If not, maybe it's time to make one.

milloyc@washpost.com

Well it wasnt like there were really any white people in the movie...seems like this writer just wanted the villan to be another race...black people just never seem to say anything is good enough when it comes to African American filming...why couldnt the shooter in Boyz N The Hood be white? Or Juice..why the robber gotsta be BLACK? How come in Baby Boy his girlfriend is black? How come? Why? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Unless it was a MIXED movie or play I dont want to hear it...so you want the token white guy to be the villan? Fuck that...to hell with that.

Courtland Milloy is lamenting a lack of films that document the good in black men. It's not about wanting a white villain in a black film. And, his secondary point is that TP's oeuvre seems to contain a theme of black male villainy (and, if one believes Aaron MacGruder's Boondocks joke, a counterpart theme of light-skinned male heroism).

I happen to agree with Milloy (whose career of advocacy journalism at a large metropolitan daily newspaper is really worth exploring if you're unfamiliar with it) about how tiresome it is to have a cinematic void when it comes to your reality being represented.

Your brother the flamboyant queen is portrayed. Your nephew the juvenile delinquent is portrayed. Your DL cousin is portrayed. Your preacher grandfather is portrayed (but only if Loretta Devine can be in the movie). Your philandering pastor is portrayed. Your abusive college roommate is portrayed. Your three-strikes uncle is portrayed.

But your middle-/upper-middle class, college-educated, romantic, faithful, politically and socially aware, bookish, philanthropic, real, heterosexual, model father, responsible self still can't catch a cab on Hollywood Street.

(re-hibing.)

ThreadBare said:

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paisleypark4 said:

Well it wasnt like there were really any white people in the movie...seems like this writer just wanted the villan to be another race...black people just never seem to say anything is good enough when it comes to African American filming...why couldnt the shooter in Boyz N The Hood be white? Or Juice..why the robber gotsta be BLACK? How come in Baby Boy his girlfriend is black? How come? Why? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Unless it was a MIXED movie or play I dont want to hear it...so you want the token white guy to be the villan? Fuck that...to hell with that.

But your middle-/upper-middle class, college-educated, romantic, faithful, politically and socially aware, bookish, philanthropic, real, heterosexual, model father, responsible self still can't catch a cab on Hollywood Street.

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Unless a villan role(Insert; Uncle Tom).

Harlepolis said:

ThreadBare said:

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But your middle-/upper-middle class, college-educated, romantic, faithful, politically and socially aware, bookish, philanthropic, real, heterosexual, model father, responsible self still can't catch a cab on Hollywood Street.

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Unless a villan role(Insert; Uncle Tom).

Nor can Lindsey Lohan.