KatSkrizzle said:

paisleypark4 said:

Exactly..shut that shit up right now...

The fact that you mention only buffoonery comedies further tells me that you are not doing your homework.

And who says the Madea films aren't buffonery? Tyler Perry is like the Puff Daddy of movies. He's gotta be in front too. Alot of telnted people DON'T have to be in front. And besides, Big Momma's house was a comedy. Madea is comedy with a blatant, out of place, poorly executed message.

Well we also had Death At A Funeral, Precious (which wouldnt have even came out if it wasnt for Tyler Perry), Just Wright...So really in my opinion even though I have to agree that Tyler's movies are reaching a stagnant...his work still reaches its core audience, and they come out to support.

You don't understand Madea and so I really can care less if you think Madea is a poorly executed messenger, but when I talk to black women, they can replay all the positive things that was said in Tyler Perrys plays in conversation...heck I even learned how to tell my mother she has to learn how to love herself and forgive her father after he abused her as a child after we got into a wild fight in the middle of the night one day..there is some healing in my life thanks to his work, and I could not have even been brave enough if it was not for inspiration. Dont give me that.

KatSkrizzle said:

paisleypark4 said:

Exactly..shut that shit up right now...

[img:$uid]http://www.onlinemovieshut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/big-mommas-like-father-like-son-movie-poster1.jpg[/img:$uid]

The fact that you mention only buffoonery comedies further tells me that you are not doing your homework.

And who says the Madea films aren't buffonery? Tyler Perry is like the Puff Daddy of movies. He's gotta be in front too. Alot of telnted people DON'T have to be in front. And besides, Big Momma's house was a comedy. Madea is comedy with a blatant, out of place, poorly executed message.

So says you. What's up with that, Scrizzle? You don't know what that Chile has been watching.

1. We're not talking about Madea comedies, so where that came from who on earth knows.

2. Even if you do find his messages blatantly out of place and poorly executed, not everyone feels the same. In fact, I know of more than a few people who feel uplifted by his poorly executed messages and his choice of placement for biblical scripture in his buffoon vehicles. Everything is not for everybody, and that's okay.

3. So what if Perry's in front all the time? That's not even the issue on this thread. Furthermore it strikes me as odd that anyone would give a hoot, considering we're members on a board that pays homage to the Kang of I-wanna-write-perform-and-produce-everything my damn self ...and lawd knows a good portion of the projects he turns out sounds like shit on toast. Um...starting with Chaos and Disorder..anyone? Anyone? Waaay off topic, but...

I just think that in the end Perry has people who enjoy his work and those who do not. At best, it seems like people should just be left to like who they like and support who they want to support without the insults and condescending attitudes.

Ottensen said:

KatSkrizzle said:

The fact that you mention only buffoonery comedies further tells me that you are not doing your homework.

And who says the Madea films aren't buffonery? Tyler Perry is like the Puff Daddy of movies. He's gotta be in front too. Alot of telnted people DON'T have to be in front. And besides, Big Momma's house was a comedy. Madea is comedy with a blatant, out of place, poorly executed message.

So says you. What's up with that, Scrizzle? You don't know what that Chile has been watching.

1. We're not talking about Madea comedies, so where that came from who on earth knows.

2. Even if you do find his messages blatantly out of place and poorly executed, not everyone feels the same. In fact, I know of more than a few people who feel uplifted by his poorly executed messages and his choice of placement for biblical scripture in his buffoon vehicles. Everything is not for everybody, and that's okay.

3. So what if Perry's in front all the time? That's not even the issue on this thread. Furthermore it strikes me as odd that anyone would give a hoot, considering we're members on a board that pays homage to the Kang of I-wanna-write-perform-and-produce-everything my damn self ...and lawd knows a good portion of the projects he turns out sounds like shit on toast. Um...starting with Chaos and Disorder..anyone? Anyone? Waaay off topic, but...

I just think that in the end Perry has people who enjoy his work and those who do not. At best, it seems like people should just be left to like who they like and support who they want to support without the insults and condescending attitudes.

Now you just talking crazy. I LOVED Chaos and Disorder!

paisleypark4 said:

Shoewhore said:

I keep hearing that from folks defending the movie but I haven't seen anything to corroborate it. I have seen and read interviews with her where she stated that the inclusion of the men in the movie was not how she would have told the story. I've also read an interview where she said she was 75% satisfied with the movie.

One of several:

http://www.heartandsoul.c...ler-perry/

http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=1

Sorry to be a nitpick but nowhere in that article does it say anything about her having any input in the movie. That's what I'm looking for. I've heard from several people defending the movie that she was involved all through the process, etc. but I can find nothing written or recorded where that is stated. The interviews she's given would seem to suggest otherwise.

I understand that Tyler Perry has his fans and I'm not arguing against his movies in general. My arguments are very specific to this work.

Ottensen said:

KatSkrizzle said:

The fact that you mention only buffoonery comedies further tells me that you are not doing your homework.

And who says the Madea films aren't buffonery? Tyler Perry is like the Puff Daddy of movies. He's gotta be in front too. Alot of telnted people DON'T have to be in front. And besides, Big Momma's house was a comedy. Madea is comedy with a blatant, out of place, poorly executed message.

So says you. What's up with that, Scrizzle? You don't know what that Chile has been watching.

1. We're not talking about Madea comedies, so where that came from who on earth knows.

2. Even if you do find his messages blatantly out of place and poorly executed, not everyone feels the same. In fact, I know of more than a few people who feel uplifted by his poorly executed messages and his choice of placement for biblical scripture in his buffoon vehicles. Everything is not for everybody, and that's okay.

3. So what if Perry's in front all the time? That's not even the issue on this thread. Furthermore it strikes me as odd that anyone would give a hoot, considering we're members on a board that pays homage to the Kang of I-wanna-write-perform-and-produce-everything my damn self ...and lawd knows a good portion of the projects he turns out sounds like shit on toast. Um...starting with Chaos and Disorder..anyone? Anyone? Waaay off topic, but...

I just think that in the end Perry has people who enjoy his work and those who do not. At best, it seems like people should just be left to like who they like and support who they want to support without the insults and condescending attitudes.

Thank you. I put Big Mama up there because that is the black film that we have to look forward to as far as my eye could see...I dont see anything special coming out anytime soon, while Spike Lee sitting up there promoting Brooklyn vodka in the ghetto, somebody has to speak for Tylers audience..who else but Tyler Perry? NO one else is...weather they like it or not it is the truth..or go rent a straight to dvd black movie with no actual promotion.

Shoewhore said:

paisleypark4 said:

http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=1

Sorry to be a nitpick but nowhere in that article does it say anything about her having any input in the movie. That's what I'm looking for. I've heard from several people defending the movie that she was involved all through the process, etc. but I can find nothing written or recorded where that is stated. The interviews she's given would seem to suggest otherwise.

I understand that Tyler Perry has his fans and I'm not arguing against his movies in general. My arguments are very specific to this work.

I could have sworn her thoughts on it was in that article..might have been another....

Ottensen said:

KatSkrizzle said:

The fact that you mention only buffoonery comedies further tells me that you are not doing your homework.

And who says the Madea films aren't buffonery? Tyler Perry is like the Puff Daddy of movies. He's gotta be in front too. Alot of telnted people DON'T have to be in front. And besides, Big Momma's house was a comedy. Madea is comedy with a blatant, out of place, poorly executed message.

So says you. What's up with that, Scrizzle? You don't know what that Chile has been watching.

1. We're not talking about Madea comedies, so where that came from who on earth knows.

2. Even if you do find his messages blatantly out of place and poorly executed, not everyone feels the same. In fact, I know of more than a few people who feel uplifted by his poorly executed messages and his choice of placement for biblical scripture in his buffoon vehicles. Everything is not for everybody, and that's okay.

3. So what if Perry's in front all the time? That's not even the issue on this thread. Furthermore it strikes me as odd that anyone would give a hoot, considering we're members on a board that pays homage to the Kang of I-wanna-write-perform-and-produce-everything my damn self ...and lawd knows a good portion of the projects he turns out sounds like shit on toast. Um...starting with Chaos and Disorder..anyone? Anyone? Waaay off topic, but...

I just think that in the end Perry has people who enjoy his work and those who do not. At best, it seems like people should just be left to like who they like and support who they want to support without the insults and condescending attitudes.

You ain't ever lied! I find TP's movies all re-makes of Graffitti Bridge - like.

See, this jump on the TP wagon reminds me of the folks over in the Prince music and more. Go out there and say Prince is an arrogant ass and they turn into a pack of wolves.

Perhaps some people prefer to have everything spelled out for them in a poor script. I'll leave it alone. But you know how we tear GB up in the GD forum!

paisleypark4 said:

KatSkrizzle said:

The fact that you mention only buffoonery comedies further tells me that you are not doing your homework.

And who says the Madea films aren't buffonery? Tyler Perry is like the Puff Daddy of movies. He's gotta be in front too. Alot of telnted people DON'T have to be in front. And besides, Big Momma's house was a comedy. Madea is comedy with a blatant, out of place, poorly executed message.

Well we also had Death At A Funeral, Precious (which wouldnt have even came out if it wasnt for Tyler Perry), Just Wright...So really in my opinion even though I have to agree that Tyler's movies are reaching a stagnant...his work still reaches its core audience, and they come out to support.

You don't understand Madea and so I really can care less if you think Madea is a poorly executed messenger, but when I talk to black women, they can replay all the positive things that was said in Tyler Perrys plays in conversation...heck I even learned how to tell my mother she has to learn how to love herself and forgive her father after he abused her as a child after we got into a wild fight in the middle of the night one day..there is some healing in my life thanks to his work, and I could not have even been brave enough if it was not for inspiration. Dont give me that.

I didn't know that I was supposed to understand the deep threshold of Madea....Insert any family, any fiesty aunt, any bullshit, and a fiesty aunt that fights the bullshit. Every family has a fiesty member that looks out for others. Seriously.

TP appeals to Black women over 50 I get it. All my friends find his shit trite. And we are a rainbow of all colors and cultures. If it worked for your mom, then cool. He'll keep on churning out more Graffitti Bridge - like movies for the ages.

And you know how we dog out that movie.

Linn4days said:

TonyVanDam said:

1. Spike Lee is too busy selling vodka in the black community to even bother making the time to create serious films again.

http://prince.org/msg/100/346573

2. John Singleton & Lee Daniels are M.I.A.

Therefore, Tyler Perry is THE only black filmmaker that matters right now.

.......This is why black folk need to stop going to any Cinema or TV...

They have one Token and people rally around them for about 5-10 years.. Then, the token's ego is inflated..

("I'm the only black doing this or that..Syndrome" Yeah, your're popular because you are the only, or few of us that "The Gaytekeepers" allowed to do what you do!)

People just tired of black men killin', being closet homsexuals, or black women crying.

Tired.

Then, the producers and directors keep making black rappers and singers in actors..lol. Soundtracks don't sell anymore..So, why should they be lazy, and pick some rapper that their son or daughter likes to be in a film.

What are you going to miss?

The Summer Blockbusters and actors just began to seem become weaker year after year (no matter their nationality)... The Product that are not "black films are getting worse and worse".

Black people stop giving your money to The Movie Industry.

Hollywood (or Arts) is only liberal and charitable to homosexuals. Like most corporations they do enough just to "get by"..

YHWH is Elohim and Yahoshua is King

If THIS is how you really feel, then send an E-mail to all of your favorite black filmmakers and ask them to do some about it, instead of wasting your time bitching about the ugly truth about Tyler Perry success at the box office.

[Edited 11/16/10 15:52pm]

SCNDLS said:

Linn4days said:

.......This is why black folk need to stop going to any Cinema or TV...

They have one Token and people rally around them for about 5-10 years.. Then, the token's ego is inflated..

("I'm the only black doing this or that..Syndrome" Yeah, your're popular because you are the only, or few of us that "The Gaytekeepers" allowed to do what you do!)

People just tired of black men killin', being closet homsexuals, or black women crying.

Tired.

Then, the producers and directors keep making black rappers and singers in actors..lol. Soundtracks don't sell anymore..So, why should they be lazy, and pick some rapper that their son or daughter likes to be in a film.

What are you going to miss?

The Summer Blockbusters and actors just began to seem become weaker year after year (no matter their nationality)... The Product that are not "black films are getting worse and worse".

Black people stop giving your money to The Movie Industry.

Hollywood (or Arts) is only liberal and charitable to homosexuals. Like most corporations they do enough just to "get by"..

YHWH is Elohim and Yahoshua is King

This oughta be good

You better have a with that popcorn.

KatSkrizzle said:

paisleypark4 said:

Well we also had Death At A Funeral, Precious (which wouldnt have even came out if it wasnt for Tyler Perry), Just Wright...So really in my opinion even though I have to agree that Tyler's movies are reaching a stagnant...his work still reaches its core audience, and they come out to support.

You don't understand Madea and so I really can care less if you think Madea is a poorly executed messenger, but when I talk to black women, they can replay all the positive things that was said in Tyler Perrys plays in conversation...heck I even learned how to tell my mother she has to learn how to love herself and forgive her father after he abused her as a child after we got into a wild fight in the middle of the night one day..there is some healing in my life thanks to his work, and I could not have even been brave enough if it was not for inspiration. Dont give me that.

I didn't know that I was supposed to understand the deep threshold of Madea....Insert any family, any fiesty aunt, any bullshit, and a fiesty aunt that fights the bullshit. Every family has a fiesty member that looks out for others. Seriously.

TP appeals to Black women over 50 I get it. All my friends find his shit trite. And we are a rainbow of all colors and cultures. If it worked for your mom, then cool. He'll keep on churning out more Graffitti Bridge - like movies for the ages.

And you know how we dog out that movie.

Is that Tyler Perrys fault? Really I think Madea pulls in not just the older generation, but I didnt even know about Madea until people MY AGE and younger were reciting her lines and songs. My partner who is native and white..his AUNTS were asking me what were the names of the old school songs Madea sings in her plays so that they can go out and buy them...doing more good than harm in my opinion. Madea's character appeals to the youngsters...who not only is funny, charasmatic, ego driven, crazy, loving, and a kepper of the family..but can speak to people of all ages and all races equally.

But why are we even talking about Madea in a non Madea film?

[img:$uid]http://healium.wordpress.com/files/2009/07/obamam-lol-y-u-mad-tho.jpg[/img:$uid]

KatSkrizzle said:

Ottensen said:

So says you. What's up with that, Scrizzle? You don't know what that Chile has been watching.

1. We're not talking about Madea comedies, so where that came from who on earth knows.

2. Even if you do find his messages blatantly out of place and poorly executed, not everyone feels the same. In fact, I know of more than a few people who feel uplifted by his poorly executed messages and his choice of placement for biblical scripture in his buffoon vehicles. Everything is not for everybody, and that's okay.

3. So what if Perry's in front all the time? That's not even the issue on this thread. Furthermore it strikes me as odd that anyone would give a hoot, considering we're members on a board that pays homage to the Kang of I-wanna-write-perform-and-produce-everything my damn self ...and lawd knows a good portion of the projects he turns out sounds like shit on toast. Um...starting with Chaos and Disorder..anyone? Anyone? Waaay off topic, but...

I just think that in the end Perry has people who enjoy his work and those who do not. At best, it seems like people should just be left to like who they like and support who they want to support without the insults and condescending attitudes.

You ain't ever lied! I find TP's movies all re-makes of Graffitti Bridge - like.

See, this jump on the TP wagon reminds me of the folks over in the Prince music and more. Go out there and say Prince is an arrogant ass and they turn into a pack of wolves.

Perhaps some people prefer to have everything spelled out for them in a poor script.

I'll leave it alone. But you know how we tear GB up in the GD forum!

Ah, another dig wrapped up in a superior tone of bemused condescension! All jokes aisde, I guess I'm just one of those people, then.

[Edited 11/16/10 23:49pm]

Ottensen said:

paisleypark4 said:

KatSkrizzle said:

I didn't know that I was supposed to understand the deep threshold of Madea....Insert any family, any fiesty aunt, any bullshit, and a fiesty aunt that fights the bullshit. Every family has a fiesty member that looks out for others. Seriously.

TP appeals to Black women over 50 I get it. All my friends find his shit trite. And we are a rainbow of all colors and cultures. If it worked for your mom, then cool. He'll keep on churning out more Graffitti Bridge - like movies for the ages.

And you know how we dog out that movie.

Is that Tyler Perrys fault? Really I think Madea pulls in not just the older generation, but I didnt even know about Madea until people MY AGE and younger were reciting her lines and songs. My partner who is native and white..his AUNTS were asking me what were the names of the old school songs Madea sings in her plays so that they can go out and buy them...doing more good than harm in my opinion. Madea's character appeals to the youngsters...who not only is funny, charasmatic, ego driven, crazy, loving, and a kepper of the family..but can speak to people of all ages and all races equally.

But why are we even talking about Madea in a non Madea film?

Sometimes, it is hard to separate the two. If you notice in most of his interviews, someone brings up Madea.

TonyVanDam said:

Linn4days said:

.......This is why black folk need to stop going to any Cinema or TV...

They have one Token and people rally around them for about 5-10 years.. Then, the token's ego is inflated..

("I'm the only black doing this or that..Syndrome" Yeah, your're popular because you are the only, or few of us that "The Gaytekeepers" allowed to do what you do!)

People just tired of black men killin', being closet homsexuals, or black women crying.

Tired.

Then, the producers and directors keep making black rappers and singers in actors..lol. Soundtracks don't sell anymore..So, why should they be lazy, and pick some rapper that their son or daughter likes to be in a film.

What are you going to miss?

The Summer Blockbusters and actors just began to seem become weaker year after year (no matter their nationality)... The Product that are not "black films are getting worse and worse".

Black people stop giving your money to The Movie Industry.

Hollywood (or Arts) is only liberal and charitable to homosexuals. Like most corporations they do enough just to "get by"..

YHWH is Elohim and Yahoshua is King

If THIS is how you really feel, then send an E-mail to all of your favorite black filmmakers and ask them to do some about it, instead of wasting your time bitching about the ugly truth about Tyler Perry success at the box office.

[Edited 11/16/10 15:52pm]

I've always wondered why folks are trying to hold Tyler to a higher standard than other

black filmmakers. I didn't see the backlash in the 90's when every black film mirrored

Boyz in the Hood(which was cool) and Menace To Society.

phunkdaddy said:

TonyVanDam said:

If THIS is how you really feel, then send an E-mail to all of your favorite black filmmakers and ask them to do some about it, instead of wasting your time bitching about the ugly truth about Tyler Perry success at the box office.

[Edited 11/16/10 15:52pm]

I've always wondered why folks are trying to hold Tyler to a higher standard than other

black filmmakers. I didn't see the backlash in the 90's when every black film mirrored

Boyz in the Hood(which was cool) and Menace To Society.

paisleypark4 said:

KatSkrizzle said:

I didn't know that I was supposed to understand the deep threshold of Madea....Insert any family, any fiesty aunt, any bullshit, and a fiesty aunt that fights the bullshit. Every family has a fiesty member that looks out for others. Seriously.

TP appeals to Black women over 50 I get it. All my friends find his shit trite. And we are a rainbow of all colors and cultures. If it worked for your mom, then cool. He'll keep on churning out more Graffitti Bridge - like movies for the ages.

And you know how we dog out that movie.

Is that Tyler Perrys fault? Really I think Madea pulls in not just the older generation, but I didnt even know about Madea until people MY AGE and younger were reciting her lines and songs. My partner who is native and white..his AUNTS were asking me what were the names of the old school songs Madea sings in her plays so that they can go out and buy them...doing more good than harm in my opinion. Madea's character appeals to the youngsters...who not only is funny, charasmatic, ego driven, crazy, loving, and a kepper of the family..but can speak to people of all ages and all races equally.

But why are we even talking about Madea in a non Madea film?

[img:$uid]http://healium.wordpress.com/files/2009/07/obamam-lol-y-u-mad-tho.jpg[/img:$uid]

Because it's created from the same dude, dude. And you went all over the earth to defend the character.

Swangangin from his NUTS!

Dude.

sextonseven said:

noimageatall said:

Wasn't comparing Perry to Kubrick...just remember all the flack he got for Eyes Wide Shut even though he died before release. Kubrick was panned by critics and fans. Many said the movie sucked. I was comparing the movies.

Eyes Wide Shut was not panned by critics (78% positive on RT). It was the general public that didn't get it. The opposite seems to be the case here where despite some harsh criticisms posted on his thread, the public's reception to For Colored Girls has been kinder than what the critics have been saying.

I remember reading bad reviews for this movie. Not saying most of his other movies weren't great, I was just trying to make the point that when people don't like a non-Black director, actor, or one of their movies, they don't ususally say it's makes it bad for that entire genre or that serious "white" films are toast.

In spite of Kubrick's reputation as an important—albeit reclusive and eccentric—auteur and his death on 7 March 1999, a few months before the film's release, reviewers did not handle Eyes Wide Shut (1999) with kid gloves. Indeed, it has since become commonplace to assert that critics overwhelmingly panned the film (D. Johnson 55; Kreider 280; Sperb, "Their Eyes" 125).

paisleypark4 said:

Ottensen said:

Ah, another dig wrapped up in a superior tone of bemused condescension! All jokes aisde, I guess I'm just one of those people, then.

[Edited 11/16/10 23:49pm]

Another day, and another thread slayed. Let's go

So your point of day is to slay a thread about TP?

I'm obviously not the only one....But have a pleasant day!!!

KatSkrizzle said:

paisleypark4 said:

Is that Tyler Perrys fault? Really I think Madea pulls in not just the older generation, but I didnt even know about Madea until people MY AGE and younger were reciting her lines and songs. My partner who is native and white..his AUNTS were asking me what were the names of the old school songs Madea sings in her plays so that they can go out and buy them...doing more good than harm in my opinion. Madea's character appeals to the youngsters...who not only is funny, charasmatic, ego driven, crazy, loving, and a kepper of the family..but can speak to people of all ages and all races equally.

But why are we even talking about Madea in a non Madea film?

[img:$uid]http://healium.wordpress.com/files/2009/07/obamam-lol-y-u-mad-tho.jpg[/img:$uid]

Because it's created from the same dude, dude. And you went all over the earth to defend the character.

Swangangin from his NUTS!

Dude.

[img:$uid]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Uyrz7U2zE97_qM:http://images.memegenerator.net/Leonardo-Dicaprio-whateven/ImageMacro/2667947/PSSH-U-MAD-HATERS-GONNA-HATE.jpg[/img:$uid]

Yes another day, another dollar, another slay. U mad? The only thing you posted were something negative to say about the film. Have you seen it? I want to see the receipts because the only thing you posted were the reviews from other people. Sit down somewhere. Y U Mad?

KatSkrizzle said:

For black men who have considered homicide after watching another Tyler Perry movie

http://www.washingtonpost...04428.html

Here is another side of his movie...... Read on

Can anyone name a movie that came out recently starring a black man who wasn't a sociopath? Someone who had a terrific screen presence, like a young Paul Robeson? And he portrayed a character who was complex and fully drawn? Did he respect black women, too?

Anybody see that movie? I didn't. But surely it's out there somewhere, right? An alternative to those Tyler Perry films portraying black men as Satan's gift to black women? But where is it?

Maybe I didn't hear about it because of all the buzz over Perry's "For Colored Girls," which opened Friday and is based on Ntozake Shange's 1975 stage play, "For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide When the Rainbow is Enuf."

Or maybe I didn't hear about it because I was retching too loudly after seeing "For Colored Girls" - and reading so many inexplicably glowing reviews.

"This movie is powerful," Demetria L. Lucas wrote recently in Essence, the nation's premier magazine for black women. "It is incredible. The performances in it are astonishing, but most of all, this film will leave you lifted."

Me, I thought the movie should have been renamed: "For Black Men Who Have Considered Homicide After Watching Another Perry Movie."

"Oscar buzz, breaking news," read the Hollywood Reporter on Friday. "Will 'For Colored Girls' blindside Tyler Perry's critics?"

Too late. I was blindsided while watching the movie, especially when superstar Janet Jackson appeared onscreen looking like Michael Jackson with breast implants.

"Don't laugh," says Shadow and Act, an online publication about black films and filmmakers. " 'For Colored Girls,' an Oscar contender?"

Oscar for what?

In the category for best infection of a black woman with a sexually transmitted disease that renders her infertile. . . . And the winner is: black man.

For best down-low, double-dealing husband who has sex with wife while sneaking around having sex with men on the streets. . . . And the winner is: black man.

For best portrayal of a guy who at first seems nice but turns out to be a rapist. . . . And the winner is - OMG, his third of the night - black man!

"You may need some time alone after viewing 'For Colored Girls,' " wrote Tonya Pendleton for BlackAmericaWeb.com. "Whatever you may think of the fact that it was Tyler Perry who finally brought the award-winning 1974 Ntozake Shange stage production to the big screen, it will move you."

So will ex-lax.

"You will want to know that two kids get thrown out the window by their father," wrote Jane Nosonchuk for Hamptonroads.com. "The scene is well done."

Do I hear another Oscar nomination?

"The men in the movie are all bad guys except for the cop," Nosonchuk wrote. "They are a means to an end rather than any lead characters. Also, a back-room abortion may disturb some."

You think?

What an awful year for movies featuring black actors. Samuel L. Jackson in "Unthinkable." Thoughtless would be more like it. "Brooklyn's Finest" had a nice cast, with Don Cheadle and Wesley Snipes. But Richard Gere and Ethan Hawke got top billing. "Our Family Wedding" with Forrest Whitaker was okay. But how many black wedding comedies can you watch? Even preacher T.D. Jakes is coming out with his own copycat wedding movie next year.

Surely Spike Lee and Denzel Washington could team up for a sweeping historical drama - say, a black sharecropper's son, educated in a one-room schoolhouse built by slaves in Alabama, who grows up to become one of Wall Street's most powerful CEOs.

Smarter than Gordon Gekko and more complex. With a cameo appearance by former Merrill Lynch chief executive Stanley O'Neal.

Maybe you saw the kind of movie I'm talking about. If not, maybe it's time to make one.

milloyc@washpost.com

Well it wasnt like there were really any white people in the movie...seems like this writer just wanted the villan to be another race...black people just never seem to say anything is good enough when it comes to African American filming...why couldnt the shooter in Boyz N The Hood be white? Or Juice..why the robber gotsta be BLACK? How come in Baby Boy his girlfriend is black? How come? Why? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Unless it was a MIXED movie or play I dont want to hear it...so you want the token white guy to be the villan? Fuck that...to hell with that.

This thread has gone apeshit. What have I done?

phunkdaddy said:

TonyVanDam said:

If THIS is how you really feel, then send an E-mail to all of your favorite black filmmakers and ask them to do some about it, instead of wasting your time bitching about the ugly truth about Tyler Perry success at the box office.

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I've always wondered why folks are trying to hold Tyler to a higher standard than other

black filmmakers. I didn't see the backlash in the 90's when every black film mirrored

Boyz in the Hood(which was cool) and Menace To Society.

yeah i guess tyler has 2 do a gone with the wind type of movie. or if he does those hip hop movies like belly.

i enjoy tyler's movies if the only criticism i have of his films is the hurry up endings.

L4OATheOriginal said:

phunkdaddy said:

I've always wondered why folks are trying to hold Tyler to a higher standard than other

black filmmakers. I didn't see the backlash in the 90's when every black film mirrored

Boyz in the Hood(which was cool) and Menace To Society.

yeah i guess tyler has 2 do a gone with the wind type of movie. or if he does those hip hop movies like belly.

i enjoy tyler's movies if the only criticism i have of his films is the hurry up endings.

paisleypark4 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

yeah i guess tyler has 2 do a gone with the wind type of movie. or if he does those hip hop movies like belly.

i enjoy tyler's movies if the only criticism i have of his films is the hurry up endings.

I know...I think the orgers want Amistad 2, Roots 2, Queen 2 and Eve's Bayou (pt. 2)..and because he didnt make those to hell with him.

i can just see what's gonna happen in april 2011 when the next madea movie comes out

paisleypark4 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

yeah i guess tyler has 2 do a gone with the wind type of movie. or if he does those hip hop movies like belly.

i enjoy tyler's movies if the only criticism i have of his films is the hurry up endings.

I know...I think the orgers want Amistad 2, Roots 2, Queen 2 and Eve's Bayou (pt. 2)..and because he didnt make those to hell with him.

I can only speak for myself...I wanted this brilliant work of art to be made into a movie that reflected and respected the original and its power. Perry failed miserably in my eyes. I'm not holding For Colored Girls up against any of his prior works, I'm judging him on what he did with this screenplay and this screenplay only. Hell, I've never even seen an entire Tyler Perry movie before this one. I've tried but I don't dig his style.

Call me a sexist man-hater for saying it but for this movie to have reached its full potential it needed to be made by a woman. Preferably a Black woman.

Shoewhore said:

paisleypark4 said:

I know...I think the orgers want Amistad 2, Roots 2, Queen 2 and Eve's Bayou (pt. 2)..and because he didnt make those to hell with him.

I can only speak for myself...I wanted this brilliant work of art to be made into a movie that reflected and respected the original and its power. Perry failed miserably in my eyes. I'm not holding For Colored Girls up against any of his prior works, I'm judging him on what he did with this screenplay and this screenplay only. Hell, I've never even seen an entire Tyler Perry movie before this one. I've tried but I don't dig his style.

Call me a sexist man-hater for saying it but for this movie to have reached its full potential it needed to be made by a woman. Preferably a Black woman.

noimageatall said:

I remember reading bad reviews for this movie. Not saying most of his other movies weren't great, I was just trying to make the point that when people don't like a non-Black director, actor, or one of their movies, they don't ususally say it's makes it bad for that entire genre or that serious "white" films are toast.

In spite of Kubrick's reputation as an important—albeit reclusive and eccentric—auteur and his death on 7 March 1999, a few months before the film's release, reviewers did not handle Eyes Wide Shut (1999) with kid gloves. Indeed, it has since become commonplace to assert that critics overwhelmingly panned the film (D. Johnson 55; Kreider 280; Sperb, "Their Eyes" 125).

I don't know from where you got that quote, but it's wrong. As you can clearly see from these movie review links, Eyes Wide Shut was not critically panned:

http://www.rottentomatoes...wide_shut/

http://www.metacritic.com...-wide-shut

And as to your point about black vs. white directors, of course it's different because there are a million white directors out there making films receiveing major distribution. Not so with black directors which is why when the most prominent one comes up short, he's under the microscope.

paisleypark4 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

yeah i guess tyler has 2 do a gone with the wind type of movie. or if he does those hip hop movies like belly.

i enjoy tyler's movies if the only criticism i have of his films is the hurry up endings.

I know...I think the orgers want Amistad 2, Roots 2, Queen 2 and Eve's Bayou (pt. 2)..and because he didnt make those to hell with him.

Question: Did the director's of all those movies at least go to film school? Has TP?