I went to see the movie with my sister and boyfriend. We all agreed that it was predictable and overly dramatic (the usual Tyler Perry movie). BUT since I knew of the book but never read it I came focused on the subject of the book. So I pretty much overlooked the things I don't like about Tyler movies. I was very very impressed with the poetry and there were some issues that me and women that I know have been through themselves so it did touch me deeply. Will I see the move again? I gonna even bother to download it but I will take the time to buy the book and read what I've been missing all this time

kibbles said:

Graycap23 said:

More like a play on my damn wallet.

like i said, my mom said it was a hot mess. she read the book a long time ago, and apparently the book is a little different than the play which she didn't see, but she said he took 'great liberties'. i really don't think she understands the source material in the first place, to be somewhat fair to perry.

i was surprised she went to see it; i'm going up to san fran at thanksgiving and i thought i was going to have to talk her into it. i was going to suggest we go for 'shits and giggles' because i know better to expect anything from perry.

For black men who have considered homicide after watching another Tyler Perry movie - funnny, but can a sista get in on that, too.

No, your mom is right. Perry is the one who didn't understand the source material. He did take great liberties with the original work. He took poems completely out of context and split them up in ways that robbed them of their power and meaning.

The one area where the movie succeeds is the cast. But those actresses deserved so much better than what Perry gave them to work with. With that cast (yes, even Janet's non-acting self) this story could have been done so much better.

The biggest disservice Perry did to the original work was the men. This story isn't about the men, it's about the women. The men didn't even need to be in the movie. It would have been closer to it's real power had the movie solely focused on the women.

Shoewhore said:

kibbles said:

like i said, my mom said it was a hot mess. she read the book a long time ago, and apparently the book is a little different than the play which she didn't see, but she said he took 'great liberties'. i really don't think she understands the source material in the first place, to be somewhat fair to perry.

i was surprised she went to see it; i'm going up to san fran at thanksgiving and i thought i was going to have to talk her into it. i was going to suggest we go for 'shits and giggles' because i know better to expect anything from perry.

For black men who have considered homicide after watching another Tyler Perry movie - funnny, but can a sista get in on that, too.

No, your mom is right. Perry is the one who didn't understand the source material. He did take great liberties with the original work. He took poems completely out of context and split them up in ways that robbed them of their power and meaning.

The one area where the movie succeeds is the cast. But those actresses deserved so much better than what Perry gave them to work with. With that cast (yes, even Janet's non-acting self) this story could have been done so much better.

The biggest disservice Perry did to the original work was the men. This story isn't about the men, it's about the women. The men didn't even need to be in the movie. It would have been closer to it's real power had the movie solely focused on the women.

interesting. maybe i'll catch a matinee before it's gone. something tells me the word of mouth is going to kill this before thanksgiving. but like heybaby, i'm inspired to FINALLY read the book.

Linn4days said:

TonyVanDam said:

1. Spike Lee is too busy selling vodka in the black community to even bother making the time to create serious films again.

http://prince.org/msg/100/346573

2. John Singleton & Lee Daniels are M.I.A.

Therefore, Tyler Perry is THE only black filmmaker that matters right now.

.......This is why black folk need to stop going to any Cinema or TV...

They have one Token and people rally around them for about 5-10 years.. Then, the token's ego is inflated..

("I'm the only black doing this or that..Syndrome" Yeah, your're popular because you are the only, or few of us that "The Gaytekeepers" allowed to do what you do!)

People just tired of black men killin', being closet homsexuals, or black women crying.

Tired.

Then, the producers and directors keep making black rappers and singers in actors..lol. Soundtracks don't sell anymore..So, why should they be lazy, and pick some rapper that their son or daughter likes to be in a film.

What are you going to miss?

The Summer Blockbusters and actors just began to seem become weaker year after year (no matter their nationality)... The Product that are not "black films are getting worse and worse".

Black people stop giving your money to The Movie Industry.

Hollywood (or Arts) is only liberal and charitable to homosexuals. Like most corporations they do enough just to "get by"..

YHWH is Elohim and Yahoshua is King

THATS the kind of bullshit that left so many young, gifted & black filmmakers stranded in the first place without no fund to distribute their work outside of the indie circle, some of them even gave it up altogether. Why? Because "supposedly" black people watch the bootlegged films, instead of going out there and support them.

[Edited 11/10/10 13:06pm]

The black community, as a whole, usually tend not to spend their money to support "serious" black films.

I actually really enjoyed how the movie was done and how they touched on all the issues, but I'm sure the book is way better so I will buy it soon. And Janet actually did really well in it in my opinion.

kitbradley said:

The black community, as a whole, usually tend not to spend their money to support "serious" black films.

So you're saying this film is not serious? Every interview I've seen from those involved with the production says that the subject matter is indeed serious and wants to be life affirming...and it didn't do too shabbily at the box office.

2freaky4church1 said:

Color Girls, the new Tyler Perry monstrosity is getting flayed by critics so far. A famous black play gets fucked over by the Tyler Perry, born again Christian dipshit squad. A bunch of great actresses get fucked over, which means that serious black films are toast.

Tyler, go away!

1. Don't blame Christians in their entirety just because you don't like Perry's adaptation of the play. Referring to my religion (or any other) as a dipshit squad is unfair at the least, and bigoted at the most.

2. I don't understand how it's possible to place the blame for what you don't like in a multi-billion dollar industry squarely on the shoulders of one person. Did you stop to consider that Ntosake Shange had full approval of every draft of Perry's screenplay for this movie, and was his advisor while he crafted this? I'm curious as to why she wouldn't be held to equal responsibility in your eyes since she had artistic control over the work in question and how she allowed it to be portrayed onscreen.

3. A bunch of great actresses got fucked over? I haven't seen any of them complain rather than express how much they loved the project and love working with the dude.

4. If you think the making of For Colored Girls is the death knell for serious black films, where were you, I ask, when the Hollywood money machine brought us such great classics as Soul Plane and Norbit? Just curious....

Ottensen said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Color Girls, the new Tyler Perry monstrosity is getting flayed by critics so far. A famous black play gets fucked over by the Tyler Perry, born again Christian dipshit squad. A bunch of great actresses get fucked over, which means that serious black films are toast.

Tyler, go away!

1. Don't blame Christians in their entirety just because you don't like Perry's adaptation of the play. Referring to my religion (or any other) as a dipshit squad is unfair at the least, and bigoted at the most.

2. I don't understand how it's possible to place the blame for what you don't like in a multi-billion dollar industry squarely on the shoulders of one person. Did you stop to consider that Ntosake Shange had full approval of every draft of Perry's screenplay for this movie, and was his advisor while he crafted this? I'm curious as to why she wouldn't be held to equal responsibility in your eyes since she had artistic control over the work in question and how she allowed it to be portrayed onscreen.

3. A bunch of great actresses got fucked over? I haven't seen any of them complain rather than express how much they loved the project and love working with the dude.

4. If you think the making of For Colored Girls is the death knell for serious black films, where were you, I ask, when the Hollywood money machine brought us such great classics as Soul Plane and Norbit? Just curious....

Ottensen said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Color Girls, the new Tyler Perry monstrosity is getting flayed by critics so far. A famous black play gets fucked over by the Tyler Perry, born again Christian dipshit squad. A bunch of great actresses get fucked over, which means that serious black films are toast.

Tyler, go away!

1. Don't blame Christians in their entirety just because you don't like Perry's adaptation of the play. Referring to my religion (or any other) as a dipshit squad is unfair at the least, and bigoted at the most.

2. I don't understand how it's possible to place the blame for what you don't like in a multi-billion dollar industry squarely on the shoulders of one person. Did you stop to consider that Ntosake Shange had full approval of every draft of Perry's screenplay for this movie, and was his advisor while he crafted this? I'm curious as to why she wouldn't be held to equal responsibility in your eyes since she had artistic control over the work in question and how she allowed it to be portrayed onscreen.

3. A bunch of great actresses got fucked over? I haven't seen any of them complain rather than express how much they loved the project and love working with the dude.

4. If you think the making of For Colored Girls is the death knell for serious black films, where were you, I ask, when the Hollywood money machine brought us such great classics as Soul Plane and Norbit? Just curious....

I haven't seen anything regarding Ms. Shange having any input or control over the script or movie. In interviews I've read/seen with her she's joked about how she told Perry she had one rule, "No Madea." Since the movie's release she's stated that she's 75% satisfied with the movie, acknowledging that her and Perry have very different aesthetics.

Shoewhore said:

Ottensen said:

1. Don't blame Christians in their entirety just because you don't like Perry's adaptation of the play. Referring to my religion (or any other) as a dipshit squad is unfair at the least, and bigoted at the most.

2. I don't understand how it's possible to place the blame for what you don't like in a multi-billion dollar industry squarely on the shoulders of one person. Did you stop to consider that Ntosake Shange had full approval of every draft of Perry's screenplay for this movie, and was his advisor while he crafted this? I'm curious as to why she wouldn't be held to equal responsibility in your eyes since she had artistic control over the work in question and how she allowed it to be portrayed onscreen.

3. A bunch of great actresses got fucked over? I haven't seen any of them complain rather than express how much they loved the project and love working with the dude.

4. If you think the making of For Colored Girls is the death knell for serious black films, where were you, I ask, when the Hollywood money machine brought us such great classics as Soul Plane and Norbit? Just curious....

I haven't seen anything regarding Ms. Shange having any input or control over the script or movie. In interviews I've read/seen with her she's joked about how she told Perry she had one rule, "No Madea." Since the movie's release she's stated that she's 75% satisfied with the movie, acknowledging that her and Perry have very different aesthetics.

To my understanding, Perry asked Shange advice while crafting the script and requested her input. While that may not technically mean that she had legal right and responsibility to artistic control as it were (in retrospect I would agree control is too strong a word), he has been very open about being intimidated by the prospect of tackling this material as it was so well loved, and sought her assistance & input into every draft of the screenplay.

heybaby said:

I went to see the movie with my sister and boyfriend. We all agreed that it was predictable and overly dramatic (the usual Tyler Perry movie). BUT since I knew of the book but never read it I came focused on the subject of the book. So I pretty much overlooked the things I don't like about Tyler movies. I was very very impressed with the poetry and there were some issues that me and women that I know have been through themselves so it did touch me deeply. Will I see the move again? I gonna even bother to download it but I will take the time to buy the book and read what I've been missing all this time

I agree. But was it any more predictable and overly dramatic than say, Eyes Wide Shut or Fatal Attraction? I saw it last night with my soon to be DIL, her sister, and her sisters boyfriend. Her boyfriend was crying. I related to so much of what those women, and a lot of women, go through. I have been raped, beaten up by my ex-husband, cheated on numerous times, lived with an alcoholic, and have taken back (several times) a no-good man who just needed a place to live at the moment.

I also went with no expectations...hadn't read the book. We discussed it afterwards and we all liked it. I actually have the book in my collection but havent' read it yet. I will now.

The original title of the book is "For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide When The Rainbow Is Enuf". I agree that it's not an easy project to cover, and reading the book, you would see.

noimageatall said:

heybaby said:

I went to see the movie with my sister and boyfriend. We all agreed that it was predictable and overly dramatic (the usual Tyler Perry movie). BUT since I knew of the book but never read it I came focused on the subject of the book. So I pretty much overlooked the things I don't like about Tyler movies. I was very very impressed with the poetry and there were some issues that me and women that I know have been through themselves so it did touch me deeply. Will I see the move again? I gonna even bother to download it but I will take the time to buy the book and read what I've been missing all this time

I agree. But was it any more predictable and overly dramatic than say, Eyes Wide Shut

Comparing Tyler Perry to Stanley Kubrick? I've never seen that before.

I have not seen much of his stuff, but his name is like a warning label to me.

Shoewhore said:

I first read the book when I was 16. It blew my mind and affected me deeply. I've read it at least 10-15 times since. When I first heard that Tyler Perry was going to helm the movie version I was pissed.

After getting into a disagreement with some folks over the movie I decided to go see it. Can't really complain about something if I haven't seen it. Well, now that Mr. Perry has gotten my $16 he can kiss my ass. The disservice he did to this brilliant work? He should be ashamed. If that's the best he could do, he needs to find a new damn job stat.

If the story interests you, do yourself the favor and read the book instead. Amazon's got the paperback for $10. Ntozake Shange deserves your money more.

co-sign.

as someone who is a huge fan of the play, i found it offensively bad. he took a brilliant piece of art and turned it into a tragically crap movie.

good performances though. whoopi's been off the big screen WAAAAAY too long. rashad and devine are always welcome treats, and macy gray was amazing in her tiny role. j

anet didn't annoy me with her limited acting skills, which was a pleasant suprise. i love her, but like madonna... not a great actress.

Shoewhore said:

kibbles said:

like i said, my mom said it was a hot mess. she read the book a long time ago, and apparently the book is a little different than the play which she didn't see, but she said he took 'great liberties'. i really don't think she understands the source material in the first place, to be somewhat fair to perry.

i was surprised she went to see it; i'm going up to san fran at thanksgiving and i thought i was going to have to talk her into it. i was going to suggest we go for 'shits and giggles' because i know better to expect anything from perry.

For black men who have considered homicide after watching another Tyler Perry movie - funnny, but can a sista get in on that, too.

No, your mom is right. Perry is the one who didn't understand the source material. He did take great liberties with the original work. He took poems completely out of context and split them up in ways that robbed them of their power and meaning.

The one area where the movie succeeds is the cast. But those actresses deserved so much better than what Perry gave them to work with. With that cast (yes, even Janet's non-acting self) this story could have been done so much better.

The biggest disservice Perry did to the original work was the men. This story isn't about the men, it's about the women. The men didn't even need to be in the movie. It would have been closer to it's real power had the movie solely focused on the women.

seriously, get outta my head!

that's exactly how i felt. they were so poorly written and over the top in their villanery that it was like watching a gallery of monsters.

he ruined a brilliant script. when i left, i said to my friend "god, they need to revive this on b'way with an amazing cast just to wash this movie away."

sextonseven said:

noimageatall said:

I agree. But was it any more predictable and overly dramatic than say, Eyes Wide Shut

Comparing Tyler Perry to Stanley Kubrick? I've never seen that before.

Wasn't comparing Perry to Kubrick...just remember all the flack he got for Eyes Wide Shut even though he died before release. Kubrick was panned by critics and fans. Many said the movie sucked. I was comparing the movies.

cborgman said:

Shoewhore said:

No, your mom is right. Perry is the one who didn't understand the source material. He did take great liberties with the original work. He took poems completely out of context and split them up in ways that robbed them of their power and meaning.

The one area where the movie succeeds is the cast. But those actresses deserved so much better than what Perry gave them to work with. With that cast (yes, even Janet's non-acting self) this story could have been done so much better.

The biggest disservice Perry did to the original work was the men. This story isn't about the men, it's about the women. The men didn't even need to be in the movie. It would have been closer to it's real power had the movie solely focused on the women.

seriously, get outta my head!

that's exactly how i felt. they were so poorly written and over the top in their villanery that it was like watching a gallery of monsters.

he ruined a brilliant script. when i left, i said to my friend "god, they need to revive this on b'way with an amazing cast just to wash this movie away."

Your turn to get outta MY head!!

I just said to a friend over the weekend, do this on Broadway with THESE actresses and it would be brilliant!

Shoewhore said:

I first read the book when I was 16. It blew my mind and affected me deeply. I've read it at least 10-15 times since. When I first heard that Tyler Perry was going to helm the movie version I was pissed.

After getting into a disagreement with some folks over the movie I decided to go see it. Can't really complain about something if I haven't seen it. Well, now that Mr. Perry has gotten my $16 he can kiss my ass. The disservice he did to this brilliant work? He should be ashamed. If that's the best he could do, he needs to find a new damn job stat.

If the story interests you, do yourself the favor and read the book instead. Amazon's got the paperback for $10. Ntozake Shange deserves your money more.

She approved the film before it was released so....

phunkdaddy said:

Ottensen said:

1. Don't blame Christians in their entirety just because you don't like Perry's adaptation of the play. Referring to my religion (or any other) as a dipshit squad is unfair at the least, and bigoted at the most.

2. I don't understand how it's possible to place the blame for what you don't like in a multi-billion dollar industry squarely on the shoulders of one person. Did you stop to consider that Ntosake Shange had full approval of every draft of Perry's screenplay for this movie, and was his advisor while he crafted this? I'm curious as to why she wouldn't be held to equal responsibility in your eyes since she had artistic control over the work in question and how she allowed it to be portrayed onscreen.

3. A bunch of great actresses got fucked over? I haven't seen any of them complain rather than express how much they loved the project and love working with the dude.

4. If you think the making of For Colored Girls is the death knell for serious black films, where were you, I ask, when the Hollywood money machine brought us such great classics as Soul Plane and Norbit? Just curious....

Exactly..shut that shit up right now...

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paisleypark4 said:

Shoewhore said:

I first read the book when I was 16. It blew my mind and affected me deeply. I've read it at least 10-15 times since. When I first heard that Tyler Perry was going to helm the movie version I was pissed.

After getting into a disagreement with some folks over the movie I decided to go see it. Can't really complain about something if I haven't seen it. Well, now that Mr. Perry has gotten my $16 he can kiss my ass. The disservice he did to this brilliant work? He should be ashamed. If that's the best he could do, he needs to find a new damn job stat.

If the story interests you, do yourself the favor and read the book instead. Amazon's got the paperback for $10. Ntozake Shange deserves your money more.

She approved the film before it was released so....

I keep hearing that from folks defending the movie but I haven't seen anything to corroborate it. I have seen and read interviews with her where she stated that the inclusion of the men in the movie was not how she would have told the story. I've also read an interview where she said she was 75% satisfied with the movie.

One of several:

http://www.heartandsoul.c...ler-perry/

noimageatall said:

sextonseven said:

Comparing Tyler Perry to Stanley Kubrick? I've never seen that before.

Wasn't comparing Perry to Kubrick...just remember all the flack he got for Eyes Wide Shut even though he died before release. Kubrick was panned by critics and fans. Many said the movie sucked. I was comparing the movies.

Eyes Wide Shut was not panned by critics (78% positive on RT). It was the general public that didn't get it. The opposite seems to be the case here where despite some harsh criticisms posted on his thread, the public's reception to For Colored Girls has been kinder than what the critics have been saying.

sextonseven said:

noimageatall said:

Wasn't comparing Perry to Kubrick...just remember all the flack he got for Eyes Wide Shut even though he died before release. Kubrick was panned by critics and fans. Many said the movie sucked. I was comparing the movies.

Eyes Wide Shut was not panned by critics (78% positive on RT). It was the general public that didn't get it. The opposite seems to be the case here where despite some harsh criticisms posted on his thread, the public's reception to For Colored Girls has been kinder than what the critics have been saying.

That's because TP walks around farting and all the masses of sheep/his audience are running after him saying "oooh let me smell it!"

KatSkrizzle said:

sextonseven said:

Eyes Wide Shut was not panned by critics (78% positive on RT). It was the general public that didn't get it. The opposite seems to be the case here where despite some harsh criticisms posted on his thread, the public's reception to For Colored Girls has been kinder than what the critics have been saying.

That's because TP walks around farting and all the masses of sheep/his audience are running after him saying "oooh let me smell it!"

Why you get in rare form when it comes to TP??? He must really chap your hide.

paisleypark4 said:

phunkdaddy said:

Exactly..shut that shit up right now...

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The fact that you mention only buffoonery comedies further tells me that you are not doing your homework.

And who says the Madea films aren't buffonery? Tyler Perry is like the Puff Daddy of movies. He's gotta be in front too. Alot of telnted people DON'T have to be in front. And besides, Big Momma's house was a comedy. Madea is comedy with a blatant, out of place, poorly executed message.

SCNDLS said:

KatSkrizzle said:

That's because TP walks around farting and all the masses of sheep/his audience are running after him saying "oooh let me smell it!"

Why you get in rare form when it comes to TP??? He must really chap your hide.

Because he's shit! He insults my intelligence! And people must relaize that there ARE a lot of talented Black people directing films. They just don't do a Puffy and start dancing in front of the camera in all his artist videos!

Training Day anyone? Be Cool? Law Abiding Citizen? ANd watching those films I don't cringe because of the AWFUL SCRIPT! And I wasnt even a film student. But I know SHIT when I see it!!

KatSkrizzle said:

SCNDLS said:

Why you get in rare form when it comes to TP??? He must really chap your hide.

Because he's shit! He insults my intelligence! And people must relaize that there ARE a lot of talented Black people directing films. They just don't do a Puffy and start dancing in front of the camera in all his artist videos!

Training Day anyone? Be Cool? Law Abiding Citizen? ANd watching those films I don't cringe because of the AWFUL SCRIPT! And I wasnt even a film student. But I know SHIT when I see it!!

True.

KatSkrizzle said:

SCNDLS said:

Why you get in rare form when it comes to TP??? He must really chap your hide.

Because he's shit! He insults my intelligence! And people must relaize that there ARE a lot of talented Black people directing films. They just don't do a Puffy and start dancing in front of the camera in all his artist videos!

Training Day anyone? Be Cool? Law Abiding Citizen? ANd watching those films I don't cringe because of the AWFUL SCRIPT! And I wasnt even a film student. But I know SHIT when I see it!!

Personally, I think he should stick to plays.

Shoewhore said:

paisleypark4 said:

She approved the film before it was released so....

I keep hearing that from folks defending the movie but I haven't seen anything to corroborate it. I have seen and read interviews with her where she stated that the inclusion of the men in the movie was not how she would have told the story. I've also read an interview where she said she was 75% satisfied with the movie.

One of several:

http://www.heartandsoul.c...ler-perry/