Abdul said:

phunkdaddy said:

They would rank up there but i was more impressed with the 1982 team that beat my Sixers

4-2. That was one hell of a team. It seemed like those guys came at you in waves. It was like

they had a second unit coming off the bench that could beat most teams in the NBA with the

likes of Bob McAdoo. Norm Nixon was just fucking sick that year. I seen this guy put a move on

Mo Cheeks that was just sick. While coming up the court dude dude stopped at the three point

line dribbled behind his back and fired and hit nothing but net with Cheeks in his face. It seemed

like he was just a tad quicker than Cheeks.

Yeah that 82 Lakers team was sick, you could be up 10 points on them and then in an instant they go on a 30-10 run and break the game open running up and down the court. I think that 82 Lakers team could take any of the all time great teams in NBA history and win a 7 game series easy.

Most of those 1980's laker teams were stacked.........but I'd take that 1983 6ixer team over all of them.

Graycap23 said:

Abdul said:

Yeah that 82 Lakers team was sick, you could be up 10 points on them and then in an instant they go on a 30-10 run and break the game open running up and down the court. I think that 82 Lakers team could take any of the all time great teams in NBA history and win a 7 game series easy.

Most of those 1980's laker teams were stacked.........but I'd take that 1983 6ixer team over all of them.

"Fo, fo, fo!"

Moses, Dr.J, Mo Cheeks, Andrew Toney, Bobby Jones, Marc Iavaroni - I still can't believe they lost to the Nets the following season.

Graycap23 said:

Abdul said:

Yeah that 82 Lakers team was sick, you could be up 10 points on them and then in an instant they go on a 30-10 run and break the game open running up and down the court. I think that 82 Lakers team could take any of the all time great teams in NBA history and win a 7 game series easy.

Most of those 1980's laker teams were stacked.........but I'd take that 1983 6ixer team over all of them.

Worthy missed the 1983 playoffs, and McAdoo and Nixon were banged up and missed games in the 1983 Finals. That being said, Moses, Doc, Toney, Cheeks, Bobby Jones provided a core that makes them one of the greatest teams ever, and they probably would have beaten a healthy Lakers squad anyway. I still take the '87 Lakers over anyone, but if you say the 83 team is the best I can't say much against that.

Graycap23 said:

Abdul said:

Yeah that 82 Lakers team was sick, you could be up 10 points on them and then in an instant they go on a 30-10 run and break the game open running up and down the court. I think that 82 Lakers team could take any of the all time great teams in NBA history and win a 7 game series easy.

Most of those 1980's laker teams were stacked.........but I'd take that 1983 6ixer team over all of them.

As much as it pains me to say being that I'm Philly born and raised, I'd still give the edge to that 82 Lakers team over my 83 Sixers. It would be a battle though!

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

Most of those 1980's laker teams were stacked.........but I'd take that 1983 6ixer team over all of them.

Worthy missed the 1983 playoffs, and McAdoo and Nixon were banged up and missed games in the 1983 Finals. That being said, Moses, Doc, Toney, Cheeks, Bobby Jones provided a core that makes them one of the greatest teams ever, and they probably would have beaten a healthy Lakers squad anyway. I still take the '87 Lakers over anyone, but if you say the 83 team is the best I can't say much against that.

'85 & '87 Lakers, '86 Celtics, '83 Sixers would beat the '96 Bulls in seven games.

And we have to show love for the '67 Sixers, '70 Knicks, '71 Bucks, '72 Lakers, '73 & '74 Celtics and the '77 Blazers. They epitomized TEAM.

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

Most of those 1980's laker teams were stacked.........but I'd take that 1983 6ixer team over all of them.

Worthy missed the 1983 playoffs, and McAdoo and Nixon were banged up and missed games in the 1983 Finals. That being said, Moses, Doc, Toney, Cheeks, Bobby Jones provided a core that makes them one of the greatest teams ever, and they probably would have beaten a healthy Lakers squad anyway. I still take the '87 Lakers over anyone, but if you say the 83 team is the best I can't say much against that.

Wasn't Nixon traded after the 82 season to the Clippers for their number 1 pick which turned

out to Be James Worthy? Worthy was a rookie in 83.

Hey phunk, is John Wall the muthaphucking truth or what? 29 points, 13 assists, 9 steals and 2 rebounds????

phunkdaddy said:

namepeace said:

Worthy missed the 1983 playoffs, and McAdoo and Nixon were banged up and missed games in the 1983 Finals. That being said, Moses, Doc, Toney, Cheeks, Bobby Jones provided a core that makes them one of the greatest teams ever, and they probably would have beaten a healthy Lakers squad anyway. I still take the '87 Lakers over anyone, but if you say the 83 team is the best I can't say much against that.

Wasn't Nixon traded after the 82 season to the Clippers for their number 1 pick which turned

out to Be James Worthy? Worthy was a rookie in 83.

Naw Nixon was traded to the Clippers after the 83 season for their #1 pick and that pick ended up being Byron Scott.

uPtoWnNY said:

Hey phunk, is John Wall the muthaphucking truth or what? 29 points, 13 assists, 9 steals and 2 rebounds????

Don't remind me. The Sixers are still winless.

Phunk, have you hopped on the 2K11 bandwagon?

uPtoWnNY said:

I went to that game against the Sixers and that boy is the truth...I didn't mind the 9 turnovers..but his speed is crazy..
Now the sixers?....uggg

uPtoWnNY said:

Phunk, have you hopped on the 2K11 bandwagon?

I haven't. I haven't bought a basketball game in years. I always liked 2Ksports.

I was pissed when Madden fucked everything up by monopolizing football games.

I liked 2K football better than Madden. I still have 2 versions. I haven't bought a

new game system since Playstation 2. Which gaming systems do they make 2K11 for?

Thanks man. I dig the graphics on this game. I may have to upgrade systems to get

this game.

Abdul said:

phunkdaddy said:

Wasn't Nixon traded after the 82 season to the Clippers for their number 1 pick which turned

out to Be James Worthy? Worthy was a rookie in 83.

Naw Nixon was traded to the Clippers after the 83 season for their #1 pick and that pick ended up being Byron Scott.

Magic and Norm couldn't co-exist.

phunkdaddy said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Phunk, have you hopped on the 2K11 bandwagon?

I haven't. I haven't bought a basketball game in years. I always liked 2Ksports.

I was pissed when Madden fucked everything up by monopolizing football games.

I liked 2K football better than Madden. I still have 2 versions. I haven't bought a

new game system since Playstation 2. Which gaming systems do they make 2K11 for?

Thanks man. I dig the graphics on this game. I may have to upgrade systems to get

this game.

2K completely overhauled the system. No more of that controlling one player and driving to the basket cheese. The game is truly sim. If you don't have knowledge of basketball and don't run plays, you'll get toasted, online or offline. Even on Pro(the level I'm on), it's very hard. You have to a lot of scrimmaging.

uPtoWnNY said:

namepeace said:

Worthy missed the 1983 playoffs, and McAdoo and Nixon were banged up and missed games in the 1983 Finals. That being said, Moses, Doc, Toney, Cheeks, Bobby Jones provided a core that makes them one of the greatest teams ever, and they probably would have beaten a healthy Lakers squad anyway. I still take the '87 Lakers over anyone, but if you say the 83 team is the best I can't say much against that.

'85 & '87 Lakers, '86 Celtics, '83 Sixers would beat the '96 Bulls in seven games.

And we have to show love for the '67 Sixers, '70 Knicks, '71 Bucks, '72 Lakers, '73 & '74 Celtics and the '77 Blazers. They epitomized TEAM.

Lol..............Jordon/Pippen never lost in the Finals. NONE of those teams can make that claim.

That said, I do think that 6ixer team from 1983 might have taken the Bulls out. No Magic or Bird lead team would have neaten Mj and Scottie at thier peak but Moses Malone and Andrew Toney......that would have been interesting.

Graycap23 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

'85 & '87 Lakers, '86 Celtics, '83 Sixers would beat the '96 Bulls in seven games.

And we have to show love for the '67 Sixers, '70 Knicks, '71 Bucks, '72 Lakers, '73 & '74 Celtics and the '77 Blazers. They epitomized TEAM.

Lol..............Jordon/Pippen never lost in the Finals. NONE of those teams can make that claim.

That said, I do think that 6ixer team from 1983 might have taken the Bulls out. No Magic or Bird lead team would have neaten Mj and Scottie at thier peak but Moses Malone and Andrew Toney......that would have been interesting.

G/C -- Please. You can't possibly believe that.

The 87 Lakers could have taken the best Bulls team. The 86 C's could have ground them out. Do you remember how DEEP those teams were?!?!?!?!!!!!

Also, remember that the C's, L's, Sixers all played each other. That's the difference. The greatest teams of the 80's had to go through each other. That's what made that decade perhaps the greatest in the Association's history.

The Bulls never had to face an all-time great team. And between 86-91, MJ, Pip, Horace Grant et al. got their heads beat in by the C's, L's and Pistons (regular season and playoffs) until those teams got old, and the Bulls matured.

The SuperSonics with Kemp, Payton, Schrempf et al. could take the 96 Bulls to six. Ditto for the 92 Blazers, 93 Suns, 97 Jazz and 98 Jazz. But you're telling me Magic-Kareem-Worthy or Bird-McHale-Chief could not take them in 7, and the C's and L's in couldn't beat MJ and Pip in their prime?

Surely you jest.

[Edited 11/4/10 6:32am]

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

Lol..............Jordon/Pippen never lost in the Finals. NONE of those teams can make that claim.

That said, I do think that 6ixer team from 1983 might have taken the Bulls out. No Magic or Bird lead team would have neaten Mj and Scottie at thier peak but Moses Malone and Andrew Toney......that would have been interesting.

G/C -- Please. You can't possibly believe that.

The 87 Lakers could have taken the best Bulls team. The 86 C's could have ground them out. Do you remember how DEEP those teams were?!?!?!?!!!!!

Also, remember that the C's, L's, Sixers all played each other. That's the difference. The greatest teams of the 80's had to go through each other. That's what made that decade perhaps the greatest in the Association's history.

The Bulls never had to face an all-time great team. And between 86-91, MJ, Pip, Horace Grant et al. got their heads beat in by the C's, L's and Pistons (regular season and playoffs) until those teams got old, and the Bulls matured.

The SuperSonics with Kemp, Payton, Schrempf et al. could take the 96 Bulls to six. Ditto for the 92 Blazers, 93 Suns, 97 Jazz and 98 Jazz. But you're telling me Magic-Kareem-Worthy or Bird-McHale-Chief could not take them in 7, and the C's and L's in couldn't beat MJ and Pip in their prime?

Surely you jest.

[Edited 11/4/10 6:32am]

I'll say it again. Jordon/Pippen NEVER lost in the Finals.

None of those other players/teams can make that claim. It is a FACT.

namepeace said:The 87 Lakers could have taken the best Bulls team. The 86 C's could have ground them out. Do you remember how DEEP those teams were?!?!?!?!!!!!

Also, remember that the C's, L's, Sixers all played each other. That's the difference. The greatest teams of the 80's had to go through each other. That's what made that decade perhaps the greatest in the Association's history.

The Bulls never had to face an all-time great team. And between 86-91, MJ, Pip, Horace Grant et al. got their heads beat in by the C's, L's and Pistons (regular season and playoffs) until those teams got old, and the Bulls matured.

The SuperSonics with Kemp, Payton, Schrempf et al. could take the 96 Bulls to six. Ditto for the 92 Blazers, 93 Suns, 97 Jazz and 98 Jazz. But you're telling me Magic-Kareem-Worthy or Bird-McHale-Chief could not take them in 7, and the C's and L's in couldn't beat MJ and Pip in their prime?

Surely you jest.

[Edited 11/4/10 6:32am]

Can I get an AMEN?

Those 80s teams faced better competition than the '96 Bulls, who played in a watered-down NBA(IMO, the first three-peat Bulls were better top-to-bottom).

As for greatest NBA team ever? I'm going with Wilt's '67 Sixers with Hal Greer, Chet Walker and Billy C.

uPtoWnNY said:

namepeace said:The 87 Lakers could have taken the best Bulls team. The 86 C's could have ground them out. Do you remember how DEEP those teams were?!?!?!?!!!!!

Also, remember that the C's, L's, Sixers all played each other. That's the difference. The greatest teams of the 80's had to go through each other. That's what made that decade perhaps the greatest in the Association's history.

The Bulls never had to face an all-time great team. And between 86-91, MJ, Pip, Horace Grant et al. got their heads beat in by the C's, L's and Pistons (regular season and playoffs) until those teams got old, and the Bulls matured.

The SuperSonics with Kemp, Payton, Schrempf et al. could take the 96 Bulls to six. Ditto for the 92 Blazers, 93 Suns, 97 Jazz and 98 Jazz. But you're telling me Magic-Kareem-Worthy or Bird-McHale-Chief could not take them in 7, and the C's and L's in couldn't beat MJ and Pip in their prime?

Surely you jest.

[Edited 11/4/10 6:32am]

Can I get an AMEN?

Those 80s teams faced better competition than the '96 Bulls, who played in a watered-down NBA(IMO, the first three-peat Bulls were better top-to-bottom).

As for greatest NBA team ever? I'm going with Wilt's '67 Sixers with Hal Greer, Chet Walker and Billy C.

Keep dreaming................Jordan won 6...count them, 6 titles in a row his last 6 full seasons with the Bulls and would have won more if the fools had no broken up the team.

Graycap23 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Can I get an AMEN?

Those 80s teams faced better competition than the '96 Bulls, who played in a watered-down NBA(IMO, the first three-peat Bulls were better top-to-bottom).

As for greatest NBA team ever? I'm going with Wilt's '67 Sixers with Hal Greer, Chet Walker and Billy C.

Keep dreaming................Jordan won 6...count them, 6 titles in a row his last 6 full seasons with the Bulls and would have won more if the fools had no broken up the team.

So? Nobody doubts they had a great run. You're trying to say that because they beat an over-the-hill Lakers' team, the Trail Blazers, Suns, Sonics and Jazz of the 90's, that two of the greatest teams in the history of the game, who dominated while Jordan was on the scene, wouldn't stand a chance against the Bulls because they have MJ and Pippen? MJ can't guard Cap or Worthy, or McHale or Chief. Pip couldn't stop the Showtime offense by himself and Bird would have given him fits.

SURELY you wouldn't suggest that the Bulls' supporting casts were in the same league as the Lakers' and Celtics' All-Star-laden supporting casts.

Jordan and Pippen didn't start winning titles until the Lakers, Celtics and Pistons were all over the hill or retired. That should tell you something. Hell, they'd have problems with the Spurs and Lakers of the 2000s.

Great? Indisputably.

Untouchable? Dream on.

Graycap23 said:

namepeace said:

G/C -- Please. You can't possibly believe that.

The 87 Lakers could have taken the best Bulls team. The 86 C's could have ground them out. Do you remember how DEEP those teams were?!?!?!?!!!!!

Also, remember that the C's, L's, Sixers all played each other. That's the difference. The greatest teams of the 80's had to go through each other. That's what made that decade perhaps the greatest in the Association's history.

The Bulls never had to face an all-time great team. And between 86-91, MJ, Pip, Horace Grant et al. got their heads beat in by the C's, L's and Pistons (regular season and playoffs) until those teams got old, and the Bulls matured.

The SuperSonics with Kemp, Payton, Schrempf et al. could take the 96 Bulls to six. Ditto for the 92 Blazers, 93 Suns, 97 Jazz and 98 Jazz. But you're telling me Magic-Kareem-Worthy or Bird-McHale-Chief could not take them in 7, and the C's and L's in couldn't beat MJ and Pip in their prime?

Surely you jest.

[Edited 11/4/10 6:32am]

I'll say it again. Jordon/Pippen NEVER lost in the Finals.

None of those other players/teams can make that claim. It is a FACT.

THAT'S all you've got?

The 90's Bulls were undefeated in the Finals against clearly inferior opposition and even then struggled at times to win: FACT.

The 80's C's (Lakers '84) and 80's L's (J's Sixers, Bird's Celtics, The Bad Boy Pistons) each beat great teams (i.e., teams that had won or went on to win titles) in the NBA Finals: FACT.

The 80's C's and 80's Lakers EACH had more HOFers and were deeper than the 90's Bulls: FACT.

The 90's Bulls didn't have enough horses down low to defend those teams' Hall of Fame low-post players: FACT.

Come on, man.

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

Keep dreaming................Jordan won 6...count them, 6 titles in a row his last 6 full seasons with the Bulls and would have won more if the fools had no broken up the team.

So? Nobody doubts they had a great run. You're trying to say that because they beat an over-the-hill Lakers' team, the Trail Blazers, Suns, Sonics and Jazz of the 90's, that two of the greatest teams in the history of the game, who dominated while Jordan was on the scene, wouldn't stand a chance against the Bulls because they have MJ and Pippen? MJ can't guard Cap or Worthy, or McHale or Chief. Pip couldn't stop the Showtime offense by himself and Bird would have given him fits.

SURELY you wouldn't suggest that the Bulls' supporting casts were in the same league as the Lakers' and Celtics' All-Star-laden supporting casts.

Jordan and Pippen didn't start winning titles until the Lakers, Celtics and Pistons were all over the hill or retired. That should tell you something. Hell, they'd have problems with the Spurs and Lakers of the 2000s.

Great? Indisputably.

Untouchable? Dream on.

Nonsense. Pippen and Jordan started winning when they matured as a TEAM.

Unlike u, I'll stick with the FACTS.

Untouchable? No team was or is untouchable. Where did I make that comment?

As I said, I think the 1983 6ixer team would have puchsed the Bulls to 7 games and even possibly beaten the Bulls. I don't think the Celtics or laker teams could have done that. Just my opinion.

Graycap23 said:

As I said, I think the 1983 6ixer team would have puchsed the Bulls to 7 games and even possibly beaten the Bulls. I don't think the Celtics or laker teams could have done that. Just my opinion.

How would the Bulls deal with Kareem or the Chief?

uPtoWnNY said:

Graycap23 said:

As I said, I think the 1983 6ixer team would have puchsed the Bulls to 7 games and even possibly beaten the Bulls. I don't think the Celtics or laker teams could have done that. Just my opinion.

How would the Bulls deal with Kareem or the Chief?

The question is.................how would they stop Pippen and Jordan.

Phil has 11 rings 4 a reason.

Heat vs. Lakers(PS3)

I have the PS3 version, Phunk.

Three things...

First, I can get the hang of most of the offensive controls on the newest generation of sports games. At least enough that it's fun to play. But I can't seem to figure out defense to save my life. I get beat, like, 65 to 21 playing Madden on a regular basis. Whatever, it's still fun. NBA 2K11 looks pretty tight. I haven't played for a couple years myself - may have to give it a try.

Second, GO LAKERS!! Everybody keep hatin' and ignorin'. It's the Lakers with a chance at 72, not the Heat.

Third, man, the Warriors actually look decent this year. Maybe not "good" yet, but not embarrassing to watch. Little worried about Curry's ankle, though. I hope they keep him out until it's really healed a bit. Doesn't look like that's going to happen, though.

Cerebus said:

Three things...

First, I can get the hang of most of the offensive controls on the newest generation of sports games. At least enough that it's fun to play. But I can't seem to figure out defense to save my life. I get beat, like, 65 to 21 playing Madden on a regular basis. Whatever, it's still fun. NBA 2K11 looks pretty tight. I haven't played for a couple years myself - may have to give it a try.

To be successful at 2K11, you must unlearn everything you've learned. It doesn't play like previous NBA 2Ks. Isomotion is completely changed.

I downloaded updated rosters, college draft classes and slider settings from OperationSports. I'm ready to start my Knicks Association.

Graycap23 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

'85 & '87 Lakers, '86 Celtics, '83 Sixers would beat the '96 Bulls in seven games.

And we have to show love for the '67 Sixers, '70 Knicks, '71 Bucks, '72 Lakers, '73 & '74 Celtics and the '77 Blazers. They epitomized TEAM.

Lol..............Jordon/Pippen never lost in the Finals. NONE of those teams can make that claim.

That said, I do think that 6ixer team from 1983 might have taken the Bulls out. No Magic or Bird lead team would have neaten Mj and Scottie at thier peak but Moses Malone and Andrew Toney......that would have been interesting.

I'm a Sixers fan at heart and they were great for that one season. My biggest thing with them is

that those other teams may have exploited Marc Iavoroni at the forward spot. All these teams were

tough but if i had to pick one it may have been the 1982 Lakers. They were about 10 players deep.

uPtoWnNY said:

namepeace said:The 87 Lakers could have taken the best Bulls team. The 86 C's could have ground them out. Do you remember how DEEP those teams were?!?!?!?!!!!!

Also, remember that the C's, L's, Sixers all played each other. That's the difference. The greatest teams of the 80's had to go through each other. That's what made that decade perhaps the greatest in the Association's history.

The Bulls never had to face an all-time great team. And between 86-91, MJ, Pip, Horace Grant et al. got their heads beat in by the C's, L's and Pistons (regular season and playoffs) until those teams got old, and the Bulls matured.

The SuperSonics with Kemp, Payton, Schrempf et al. could take the 96 Bulls to six. Ditto for the 92 Blazers, 93 Suns, 97 Jazz and 98 Jazz. But you're telling me Magic-Kareem-Worthy or Bird-McHale-Chief could not take them in 7, and the C's and L's in couldn't beat MJ and Pip in their prime?

Surely you jest.

[Edited 11/4/10 6:32am]

Can I get an AMEN?

Those 80s teams faced better competition than the '96 Bulls, who played in a watered-down NBA(IMO, the first three-peat Bulls were better top-to-bottom).

As for greatest NBA team ever? I'm going with Wilt's '67 Sixers with Hal Greer, Chet Walker and Billy C.

Dang i was barely born in 67.

Can't tell you nothing bout that team. Is there even any film on them.

phunkdaddy said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Can I get an AMEN?

Those 80s teams faced better competition than the '96 Bulls, who played in a watered-down NBA(IMO, the first three-peat Bulls were better top-to-bottom).

As for greatest NBA team ever? I'm going with Wilt's '67 Sixers with Hal Greer, Chet Walker and Billy C.

Dang i was barely born in 67.

Can't tell you nothing bout that team. Is there even any film on them.