PicklesMcMillan said:

Tremolina said:

hmm... no not really the man more like one of their TOYS!

You see, even tho they were both pretty and even tho they both gave me the illusion that I had 'conquered' them with doing 'nothing' , it was nothing more than that: an illusion, created from some crazy horny mind fuck the two of them were having. I actually was just an OBJECT for them.

Not that I really cared lol, but I knew it and could feel it too...

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sorry to hear that

gotta be careful with those type of women

Dont get me wrong, it wasn't BAD! lol well ... yeah actually it was, but I KNEW that was the game and I willingly played a long with it. I didn't have any serious feelings for either one of them. Just wanted to do them both! lol So it was okay.

I know what you are saying tho', if you are talking about being manipulated. These two I can say were VERY manipulative, but everybody is to a certain extent.

ZombieKitten said:

Tremolina said:

If you REALLY liked him I think you should always give it a serious try.

Personally I am more of the the just let things happen as they happen kind of guy. But I also know that sometimes you have to MAKE contact to MAKE things happen. Like when you have fallen madly in love with someone you don't or hardly know. That happened to me when I was 22. One of the weirdest and painful, yet also most beautiful and vauable experiences I have had with women.

That's what I call a crush, when it's so one sided.

You put the person up on a pedestal, since you don't know them and their flaws yet, and your fantasy fills in the gaps and they are so PERFECT!!!

so did you actually go out with her in the end?????

That's what I called it too when it started but then it didn't pass but only got worse. It wasn't entirely onesided because she did like me, but she belonged to somebody else already and chose to stay that way.

SherryJackson said:

JustErin said:

Wow, that's pretty pathetic. There is no shame in going after what you want....even when it comes to a man. You can be aggressive and not desperate. Too bad some people can't understand that.

Guys like women that know what they want but they don't want women that want everything or everyone.

But that's how it seems to people if you openly chase a man. You look desperate. Either that or the aggressiveness makes you look like a player. "Doing it because you can" and that sorta thing. At least, that's what I heard.

I can't be aggressive. It's just not in me. But if it works for some women, go for it. I ain't judging and it makes no difference to me.

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I think it looks desperate to people who are not the brightest, to be honest.

And yes, I am judging and I'm ok with that.

I'm not openly aggressive myself...I'll fully admit that I'm much more sly and manipulative when it comes to men...but in no way do I think just going for what you want makes a woman have less dignity. I think that's ridiculous.

And speaking from direct experience, men want to feel wanted and not have to always go out on a limb and risk rejection....or at least the smart men feel this way.

Tremolina said:

ZombieKitten said:

That's what I call a crush, when it's so one sided.

You put the person up on a pedestal, since you don't know them and their flaws yet, and your fantasy fills in the gaps and they are so PERFECT!!!

so did you actually go out with her in the end?????

That's what I called it too when it started but then it didn't pass but only got worse. It wasn't entirely onesided because she did like me, but she belonged to somebody else already and chose to stay that way.

bummer

JustErin said:

And speaking from direct experience, men want to feel wanted and not have to always go out on a limb and risk rejection....

This is true, as far as I am concerned. One thing that has always bugged me and made me rebel is that, for most women, men always have to be the "agressive one" to make something happen. I mean why can't a girl, if she feels she is all equal to me, which I as modern man agree with, just come up to me and talk to me or simply tell me she likes me when she does?

I have known girls who are like that actually, but they are few and far in between.

and why can't I spell?

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And I wouldn't call them "agressive" by the way, altho' you could say that for some of the older girls and ladies I have experience with ...

Tremolina said:

Well, I tell you this, when I was 20 I was in university, single and member of a fraternity. I remember many girls my age always just staring and never taking any initiative. The girls at 'the club'weret all that interested in me when i was that age, which however changed after I got older. Then you instantly become more attractive to them. Most girls I was interested in at 20 wanted a guy older or belonging to the most popular club or something which I didn't. I thought that was stupid and superficial and as a consequence I didn't take much intitiative myself either with those broads. So strangely enough you could say I had more girlfriends outside the fraternity. You know like 'normal girls'. Well normal isn't an entirely correct qualification either I guess lol but they didn't belong to any club of bitches or anyhting if you know what I mean. Some of those girls hit on me first, so I guess you could say that there I found some more 'normal' ways of flirting.

hé koorbal

lullo

grapje

Tremolina said:

And I wouldn't call them "agressive" by the way, altho' you could say that for some of the older girls and ladies I have experience with ...

I know some older single women that are aggressive because they want a man so badly so they can be married and have babies and they feel they are running out of time.

That's when it goes from aggressive to desperate.

I've also seen really aggressive young women going to town on guys in bars....but the guys they were going after were just as gross and into it. It all kinda reeked of desperation to me.

ZombieKitten said:

Tremolina said:

That's what I called it too when it started but then it didn't pass but only got worse. It wasn't entirely onesided because she did like me, but she belonged to somebody else already and chose to stay that way.

bummer

it happens.

Dewrede said:

Tremolina said:

Well, I tell you this, when I was 20 I was in university, single and member of a fraternity. I remember many girls my age always just staring and never taking any initiative. The girls at 'the club'weret all that interested in me when i was that age, which however changed after I got older. Then you instantly become more attractive to them. Most girls I was interested in at 20 wanted a guy older or belonging to the most popular club or something which I didn't. I thought that was stupid and superficial and as a consequence I didn't take much intitiative myself either with those broads. So strangely enough you could say I had more girlfriends outside the fraternity. You know like 'normal girls'. Well normal isn't an entirely correct qualification either I guess lol but they didn't belong to any club of bitches or anyhting if you know what I mean. Some of those girls hit on me first, so I guess you could say that there I found some more 'normal' ways of flirting.

hé koorbal

lullo

grapje

hey dewrede heb je nog geneukt lullo?!

JustErin said:

Tremolina said:

And I wouldn't call them "agressive" by the way, altho' you could say that for some of the older girls and ladies I have experience with ...

I know some older single women that are aggressive because they want a man so badly so they can be married and have babies and they feel they are running out of time.

That's when it goes from aggressive to desperate.

I've also seen really aggressive young women going to town on guys in bars....but the guys they were going after were just as gross and into it. It all kinda reeked of desperation to me.

Yeah babies sigh... but also some older women, not necessarily single, simply aren't that shy and into the old fashioned 'etiquette' anymore. Altho' you have to take into account that alcohol is often involved, I have met some that come up to me to tell me straight up that they think I am really cute and wanna do me and some that simply grabb my ass to let me know they are interested. On the other hand, out of nothing, some young girls once grabbed my dick and balls...

I say some women are much more agressive than most men.

Tremolina said:

JustErin said:

I know some older single women that are aggressive because they want a man so badly so they can be married and have babies and they feel they are running out of time.

That's when it goes from aggressive to desperate.

I've also seen really aggressive young women going to town on guys in bars....but the guys they were going after were just as gross and into it. It all kinda reeked of desperation to me.

Yeah babies sigh... but also some older women, not necessarily single, simply aren't that shy and into the old fashioned 'etiquette' anymore. Altho' you have to take into account that alcohol is often involved, I have met some that come up to me to tell me straight up that they think I am really cute and wanna do me and some that simply grabb my ass to let me know they are interested. On the other hand, out of nothing, some young girls once grabbed my dick and balls...

I say some women are much more agressive than most men.

But those are examples of desperation, not aggressiveness, imo.

JustErin said:

Tremolina said:

Yeah babies sigh... but also some older women, not necessarily single, simply aren't that shy and into the old fashioned 'etiquette' anymore. Altho' you have to take into account that alcohol is often involved, I have met some that come up to me to tell me straight up that they think I am really cute and wanna do me and some that simply grabb my ass to let me know they are interested. On the other hand, out of nothing, some young girls once grabbed my dick and balls...

I say some women are much more agressive than most men.

But those are examples of desperation, not aggressiveness, imo.

You think so? I guess I don't really see the difference. I remember another case. When I was 16 and celebrating carnival I met a 26 year old in a bar. We talked and drank a little, laughed a little, went outside to another bar and then she pushed me against the wall and totally asaulted me with her tongue and hands lol... Is that agressive or desperate?

Tremolina said:

JustErin said:

I know some older single women that are aggressive because they want a man so badly so they can be married and have babies and they feel they are running out of time.

That's when it goes from aggressive to desperate.

I've also seen really aggressive young women going to town on guys in bars....but the guys they were going after were just as gross and into it. It all kinda reeked of desperation to me.

Yeah babies sigh... but also some older women, not necessarily single, simply aren't that shy and into the old fashioned 'etiquette' anymore. Altho' you have to take into account that alcohol is often involved, I have met some that come up to me to tell me straight up that they think I am really cute and wanna do me and some that simply grabb my ass to let me know they are interested. On the other hand, out of nothing, some young girls once grabbed my dick and balls...

I say some women are much more agressive than most men.

wow

Dewrede said:

Tremolina said:

Yeah babies sigh... but also some older women, not necessarily single, simply aren't that shy and into the old fashioned 'etiquette' anymore. Altho' you have to take into account that alcohol is often involved, I have met some that come up to me to tell me straight up that they think I am really cute and wanna do me and some that simply grabb my ass to let me know they are interested. On the other hand, out of nothing, some young girls once grabbed my dick and balls...

I say some women are much more agressive than most men.

wow

Yeah pretty wow and the 'best' thing is that they didn't find any problem in their behaviour

^

so did you act upon it ?

Tremolina said:

JustErin said:

But those are examples of desperation, not aggressiveness, imo.

You think so? I guess I don't really see the difference. I remember another case. When I was 16 and celebrating carnival I met a 26 year old in a bar. We talked and drank a little, laughed a little, went outside to another bar and then she pushed me against the wall and totally asaulted me with her tongue and hands lol... Is that agressive or desperate?

Aggressively desperate?

I guess it gets desperate when the target is anyone that is willing.

Dewrede said:

^

so did you act upon it ?

On one I did yes. She was one who just came up to me to tell me what she wanted to do with me and she did it in a cute way, not really desperate. She also had the perfect ass and I am a sucker for ass. Some older women are horrible when they are drunk because they become really touchy then. The young girls I didn't do because they were drunk too and perhabs more making them really annoying and not "hot" at all...

JustErin said:

Tremolina said:

You think so? I guess I don't really see the difference. I remember another case. When I was 16 and celebrating carnival I met a 26 year old in a bar. We talked and drank a little, laughed a little, went outside to another bar and then she pushed me against the wall and totally asaulted me with her tongue and hands lol... Is that agressive or desperate?

Aggressively desperate?

I guess it gets desperate when the target is anyone that is willing.

willing or not willing? I am not following you lol

Tremolina said:

JustErin said:

Aggressively desperate?

I guess it gets desperate when the target is anyone that is willing.

willing or not willing? I am not following you lol

Both!

JustErin said:

Tremolina said:

willing or not willing? I am not following you lol

Both!

Ah yes I see! uhm

What would you consider simply "agressive" as in not "desperate at all" or anything lol

Tremolina said:

Dewrede said:

^

so did you act upon it ?

On one I did yes. She was one who just came up to me to tell me what she wanted to do with me and she did it in a cute way, not really desperate. She also had the perfect ass and I am a sucker for ass. Some older women are horrible when they are drunk because they become really touchy then. The young girls I didn't do because they were drunk too and perhabs more making them really annoying and not "hot" at all...

ok , cool

Tremolina said:

JustErin said:

Both!

Ah yes I see! uhm

What would you consider simply "agressive" as in not "desperate at all" or anything lol

I personally do not see aggressiveness as a negative trait. Going for what you want with confidence is really sexy.

As long as you also have the maturity to move on gracefully if your advances are not appreciated and reciprocated, aggressiveness is a huge plus when it comes to personality...to me, that is.

I'm not confident enough to be outwardly aggressive. I'm more on the coy side, which is much easier to move on from when rejected.

Although one time I went up to a guy and used a line, he was too hot to sit back and play games. And it totally worked. We had a hot summer fling.

its a negative trait when that bish is ugly

PicklesMcMillan said:

its a negative trait when that bish is ugly

Well, yes...of course.

JustErin said:

Tremolina said:

And I wouldn't call them "agressive" by the way, altho' you could say that for some of the older girls and ladies I have experience with ...

I know some older single women that are aggressive because they want a man so badly so they can be married and have babies and they feel they are running out of time.

That's when it goes from aggressive to desperate.

I've also seen really aggressive young women going to town on guys in bars....but the guys they were going after were just as gross and into it. It all kinda reeked of desperation to me.

some might say that an older single woman in a bar is desperate no matter how they act once they are inside...

I never approach, so if women did it more often, I guess that'd work for me.

whistle said:

JustErin said:

I know some older single women that are aggressive because they want a man so badly so they can be married and have babies and they feel they are running out of time.

That's when it goes from aggressive to desperate.

I've also seen really aggressive young women going to town on guys in bars....but the guys they were going after were just as gross and into it. It all kinda reeked of desperation to me.

some might say that an older single woman in a bar is desperate no matter how they act once they are inside...

That "some" would be stupid because they obviously think that because they are at the bar to pick up, everyone else is too...which of course, isn't true.

Or are older single women not supposed to go out and socialize with friends or go to shows?

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