NDRU said:

Let's say I do agree with you that he should not have done that. Can you agree she should not have done it either?

Was that ever in question? The point is that behavior of that sort happens ALL THE TIME and you seem to be endorsing unexpected physical violence as a response. THAT is what's wrong with the world. How about just saying, "excuse me, are you aware that you just cut me off by going the wrong way through the turnstyle" quite loudly to cause embarassment? Or how about saying it politely because maybe she really didn't know. Shit. Just stand there and DON'T MOVE. But that guys response was ridiculous.

retina said:

Dave1992 said:

Injuries from falling to the ground, walking?

Absolutely! Although minor bruises are the most common outcome, people can suffer anything from a broken hip or wrist to a ruptured knee cap or even a concussion depending on how they land, what the surface is and how old they are.

Alright, alright... but mankind would be absolutely doomed if we were seriously discussing pathetic shit like that

I mean, a couple of hundred years ago we'd let our four-year-old children sit on uncastrated horses!

Dave1992 said:

retina said:

Absolutely! Although minor bruises are the most common outcome, people can suffer anything from a broken hip or wrist to a ruptured knee cap or even a concussion depending on how they land, what the surface is and how old they are.

Alright, alright... but mankind would be absolutely doomed if we were seriously discussing pathetic shit like that

I mean, a couple of hundred years ago we'd let our four-year-old children sit on uncastrated horses!

A couple hundred years ago we dueled to the death over minor arguments. That was then....

NDRU said:

I'm not saying she deserved it, but that she could have avoided this entirely had she not been an asshole first. She made a choice to be rude...not just rude, but physically imposing.

I totally agree with part of what you are saying, except you have expressed no problem with what she did. In my mind, what she did is a much greater cancer in this modern world. That kind of rudeness is more & more common, and it is a cold choice of selfishness. It causes what he did, which was stupid and wrong, but more of a normal human reaction to having your buttons pushed one too many times--again, not the right response, but one that I know is possible, and that is why I try to be polte aside from the golden rule and yada yada

Anyone is capable of violence, not just assholes. And no, violence is not the answer, except that humans being the animals we are, it often is the answer people receive. That is why politeness is there, so that we do not give people any reason to act like animals.

See, it's the bolded statements there that I really really don't agree with. In my opinion his behaviour, physically attacking someone without any proper reason, is without a doubt the greater cancer. And I totally do not agree that tripping someone is a normal human reaction to that someone insisting on going first through a turnstyle. His reaction was totally uncalled for and totally out of proportion to what she did.

I already did. I said in an above post that "Sure, he was further into the turnstyle than she was when they met so if he had given her a dirty look or mumbled a comment I wouldn't have blamed him." In other words yes, she was wrong doing what she did. But IN NO WAY do I think it justified or motivated what he did. He waaay overstepped anything resembling a normal reaction to what happened.

So although we can agree that they both did something wrong, unfortunately I don't think we'll find an agreement on the important points here. So we should probably just leave it at that, unless we want to keep repeating ourselves all day. lol

Cerebus said:

NDRU said:

Let's say I do agree with you that he should not have done that. Can you agree she should not have done it either?

Was that ever in question? The point is that behavior of that sort happens ALL THE TIME and you seem to be endorsing unexpected physical violence as a response. THAT is what's wrong with the world. How about just saying, "excuse me, are you aware that you just cut me off by going the wrong way through the turnstyle" quite loudly to cause embarassment? Or how about saying it politely because maybe she really didn't know. Shit. Just stand there and DON'T MOVE. But that guys response was ridiculous.

I'm not endorsing physical violence, I'm saying that realistically we can't expect to be able to get away with acting so selfishly with everyone. Similarly, if he was assaulted afterwards, I would say he was at least partly to blame, right?

Moreover, I'm saying that if people were more polite, violent responses like this would be much less frequent--mind you I'm not talking about muggings, rape, murder, I'm talking about normal people like you & me hitting or tripping someone.

Cerebus said:

Dave1992 said:

Alright, alright... but mankind would be absolutely doomed if we were seriously discussing pathetic shit like that

I mean, a couple of hundred years ago we'd let our four-year-old children sit on uncastrated horses!

A couple hundred years ago we dueled to the death over minor arguments. That was then....

Back then when men were real men and the women would wait at home and cook for them...

Good times!

retina said:

NDRU said:

I'm not saying she deserved it, but that she could have avoided this entirely had she not been an asshole first. She made a choice to be rude...not just rude, but physically imposing.

I totally agree with part of what you are saying, except you have expressed no problem with what she did. In my mind, what she did is a much greater cancer in this modern world. That kind of rudeness is more & more common, and it is a cold choice of selfishness. It causes what he did, which was stupid and wrong, but more of a normal human reaction to having your buttons pushed one too many times--again, not the right response, but one that I know is possible, and that is why I try to be polte aside from the golden rule and yada yada

Anyone is capable of violence, not just assholes. And no, violence is not the answer, except that humans being the animals we are, it often is the answer people receive. That is why politeness is there, so that we do not give people any reason to act like animals.

See, it's the bolded statements there that I really really don't agree with. In my opinion his behaviour, physically attacking someone without any proper reason, is without a doubt the greater cancer. And I totally do not agree that tripping someone is a normal human reaction to that someone insisting on going first through a turnstyle. His reaction was totally uncalled for and totally out of proportion to what she did.

Let's say I do agree with you that he should not have done that. Can you agree she should not have done it either?

I already did. I said in an above post that "Sure, he was further into the turnstyle than she was when they met so if he had given her a dirty look or mumbled a comment I wouldn't have blamed him." In other words yes, she was wrong doing what she did. But IN NO WAY do I think it justified or motivated what he did. He waaay overstepped anything resembling a normal reaction to what happened.

So although we can agree that they both did something wrong, unfortunately I don't think we'll find an agreement on the important points here. So we should probably just leave it at that, unless we want to keep repeating ourselves all day. lol

fair enough, bottom line I hate to see situations like this one, and they will most likely just be more & more common.

I did not flinch at her tripping, but had he hit her or pushed her (which seems a more likely act of violence) that would have disturbed me. So if you think tripping is as bad as pushing or hitting, then I guess you could say we are close to an agreeement!

NDRU said:

retina said:

I already did. I said in an above post that "Sure, he was further into the turnstyle than she was when they met so if he had given her a dirty look or mumbled a comment I wouldn't have blamed him." In other words yes, she was wrong doing what she did. But IN NO WAY do I think it justified or motivated what he did. He waaay overstepped anything resembling a normal reaction to what happened.

So although we can agree that they both did something wrong, unfortunately I don't think we'll find an agreement on the important points here. So we should probably just leave it at that, unless we want to keep repeating ourselves all day. lol

fair enough, bottom line I hate to see situations like this one, and they will most likely just be more & more common.

I did not flinch at her tripping, but had he hit her or pushed her (which seems a more likely act of violence) that would have disturbed me. So if you think tripping is as bad as pushing or hitting, then I guess you could say we are close to an agreeement!

Yes I do think it's as bad as hitting or pushing since the end result often is the same. Smashing into a hard floor is painful, especially when you're not prepared.

you know, actually when i watch again, the turnstyle went farther back than I realized.

Initially I thought he was all the way through and she pushed him all the way back, but actually they did kind of meet in the middle.

She did push her way through, but she had a reason to think she was justified in going first

Ya'll actually debating this? I'm sorry. Maybe I'm insensitive but its really not that big of a deal, it was funny. I would not call it violence against women. Thats taking it too far I think lol. Justified or not she could've also taken the high road and relented...

Everything that's wrong with the world.

Good lord. This thread has gotten ri-god-damned-diculous.

SHOULD the guy have tripped the woman? Of course not.

Do I understand why he did? ABSOLUTELY.

For those of you that don't live in a place like NYC, where there are TONS of assholes like her roaming around like wild jackals in the street, you just don't get it.

When common courtesy has been abandoned, and people act like they're the only people on the planet and have no consideration for anyone else's time other than theirs, it SUCKS.

This guy probably just snapped. He'd had it. Now he could have cussed her monkey ass out, but that probably would've gone in one ear and out the other. I bet she'll think twice before doing that shit again.

So, to sum up. I'm not saying he should've done it, but i understand.

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uPtoWnNY said:

johnart said:

Some older dude blatantly cut in front of me in line at the grocery store the other day. He considered the line I was at, it was taking too long for his taste. I got in line, then MF had the NERVE to come back and get in front of me. I was like HEY HEY! SIR! SIR! SIR! He totally shot me a look that let me know he knew very well what he was doing but didn't give two shits. I let him know it wasn't cool and TRUST I stared him down till he was so unfomfortable he almost left with out his change , but what the fuck was I gonna do? start throwin down? It's a line, I'll live.

Plus, not to mention, who would people view as the villian if I started goin off on him? Older Asian dude (who barely spoke English?) or the Big Bitchy Evil Queen???

Who cares what anyone would think? He was in the wrong, not you. You should have got right in front of that old fossil and held your place.

One time some fucktard had the nerve to ask if she could get in front of me because she had less groceries. When I said no, she and her husband started with the rolleyes and shit. I'm like, wait your turn like everybody else. Mfers always trying to get over on somebody. Same shit happens in the subways.

Oh, I don't disagree with you and I'm not someone who generally really gives much of a shit about what folk think. All I'm saying is some things are just truly not worth one's aggravation, energy and time.

The funny thing is I had a cartful and dude had 3 items. I would have TOTALLY let him go in front of me (even offered) had he gotten in line behind me.

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johnart said:

The funny thing is I had a cartful and dude had 3 items. I would have TOTALLY let him go in front of me (even offered) had he gotten in line behind me.

Exactly. Too many morons with no sense of common courtesy, especially in a large city like NY. Spend a day in this town, and you'll see what Butterscotch is talking about. Your buttons are constsntly being pushed. Fear of prison(and losing everything I worked for) has kept me from snapping and wailing on mfers - I'm being dead serious.

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johnart said:

DrRockdapuss said:

The impatient woman who wouldn't wait in line or let dude go out first? Jack the Tripper? You decide!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/wa...qnk1hI-YFU[/youtube]

at him acting all confused "ARE YOU OK??"

But not funny.

No one, has the right to take frustration to any kind of physical manifestation, so fuck him and his cowardly ass if he tripped her on purpose. Even if she was a total bitch.

Some older dude blatantly cut in front of me in line at the grocery store the other day. He considered the line I was at, it was taking too long for his taste. I got in line, then MF had the NERVE to come back and get in front of me. I was like HEY HEY! SIR! SIR! SIR! He totally shot me a look that let me know he knew very well what he was doing but didn't give two shits. I let him know it wasn't cool and TRUST I stared him down till he was so unfomfortable he almost left with out his change , but what the fuck was I gonna do? start throwin down? It's a line, I'll live.

Plus, not to mention, who would people view as the villian if I started goin off on him? Older Asian dude (who barely spoke English?) or the Big Bitchy Evil Queen???

Yeah...

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I've had that happen to me several times. Maybe I look stupid or something, but the last time an old fart tried that with me, I had had it. I said quite assertively, "Oh, No. NOT TODAY! The line forms BEHIND ME, Ma'am." She hobbled her old ass behind me, too.

And I'm just the opposite when I see someone behind me with just a few items, and I have a basket full. I will tell that person to go ahead of me since they only have those few items.

Even though I think he's wrong for that, I can understand why he did it.

In my imagination, I had done that sort of shit so many times especially in a crowded station... xDDD

Gawd, the transit system makes people so damn bitchy... so I can relate....

First of all, isn't he going out the wrong way? There's about eleventy-leven people coming through that entrance. the exits are usually on the other side.

Secondly, that was very deliberate. Even the women coming in after her looked like they wanted to say something to that dude, but they thought better than to get involved.

Ms. Thang was thinking to herself that she would teach Mr. Wrong Way a lesson, but the joke was on her.

Titile of the thread should be "When a-holes meet"

babynoz said:

First of all, isn't he going out the wrong way? There's about eleventy-leven people coming through that entrance. the exits are usually on the other side.

Secondly, that was very deliberate. Even the women coming in after her looked like they wanted to say something to that dude, but they thought better than to get involved.

Ms. Thang was thinking to herself that she would teach Mr. Wrong Way a lesson, but the joke was on her.

Titile of the thread should be"When a-holes meet"

Or "when keeping it real goes wrong"

I use Subways Turnstile everday and that woman cleary pushed him back through, and I see some folks are saying that he was going the wrong way.. The turnstile here in NYC are for entering and exiting!!!!!

banks said:

I use Subways Turnstile everday and that woman cleary pushed him back through, and I see some folks are saying that he was going the wrong way.. The turnstile here in NYC are for entering and exiting!!!!!

Was this New York? Thanks, I didn't know where they were. We have separate turnstiles for entry and exit where I live.

Still, if I saw a stampede of people coming my way from the other direction I think I would have paused. In any case, the woman could have at least said excuse me before running roughshod over the dude.

Looks like a lose-lose to me.

babynoz said:

banks said:

I use Subways Turnstile everday and that woman cleary pushed him back through, and I see some folks are saying that he was going the wrong way.. The turnstile here in NYC are for entering and exiting!!!!!

Was this New York? Thanks, I didn't know where they were. We have separate turnstiles for entry and exit where I live.

Still, if I saw a stampede of people coming my way from the other direction I think I would have paused. In any case, the woman could have at least said excuse me before running roughshod over the dude.

Looks like a lose-lose to me.

All the comments I have seen suggest it was in Colombia. The sign at the top is in Spanish (didn't see any in English) which makes it conceivable that it was.

I agree that this guy was wrong. But I also agree with Butterscotch. It'll be a long ass time before this woman tries some shit like that again. So I guess there's a silver lining to the whole situation.

FauxReal said:

babynoz said:

Was this New York? Thanks, I didn't know where they were. We have separate turnstiles for entry and exit where I live.

Still, if I saw a stampede of people coming my way from the other direction I think I would have paused. In any case, the woman could have at least said excuse me before running roughshod over the dude.

Looks like a lose-lose to me.

All the comments I have seen suggest it was in Colombia. The sign at the top is in Spanish (didn't see any in English) which makes it conceivable that it was.

I agree that this guy was wrong. But I also agree with Butterscotch. It'll be a long ass time before this woman tries some shit like that again. So I guess there's a silver lining to the whole situation.

How did we get to NY then?

Anyhoo, do we know if the turnstile at that station is for entry and exit? If not, then dude was in the wrong place going the wrong way and should have either paused or gone over to the correct exit.

Still, I would never rudely run over someone the way that woman did.

babynoz said:

FauxReal said:

All the comments I have seen suggest it was in Colombia. The sign at the top is in Spanish (didn't see any in English) which makes it conceivable that it was.

I agree that this guy was wrong. But I also agree with Butterscotch. It'll be a long ass time before this woman tries some shit like that again. So I guess there's a silver lining to the whole situation.

How did we get to NY then?

Anyhoo, do we know if the turnstile at that station is for entry and exit? If not, then dude was in the wrong place going the wrong way and should have either paused or gone over to the correct exit.

Still, I would never rudely run over someone the way that woman did.

Some of the NY-based orgers were simply relating to the frustration one feels in a crowded urban setting.

babynoz said:

FauxReal said:

All the comments I have seen suggest it was in Colombia. The sign at the top is in Spanish (didn't see any in English) which makes it conceivable that it was.

I agree that this guy was wrong. But I also agree with Butterscotch. It'll be a long ass time before this woman tries some shit like that again. So I guess there's a silver lining to the whole situation.

How did we get to NY then?

Anyhoo, do we know if the turnstile at that station is for entry and exit? If not, then dude was in the wrong place going the wrong way and should have either paused or gone over to the correct exit.

Still, I would never rudely run over someone the way that woman did.

We keep getting to New York because for some reason people want to assume that the guy was going the wrong way. We NY-ers keep pointing out that here the turnstiles go both ways. And i'm assuming that New York is not the only city on the planet where that is the case. Otherwise, why would the guy get pissed and trip her in the first place if he couldn't get out that way after she'd passed?

A real man wouldn't have backed out in the first place.

JowiiCoco said:

A real man wouldn't have backed out in the first place.