People are gross. I wish I didn't even watch this.

Doesn't matter whether it's a woman or a man, nobody deserves to get hit. Period. Grow up and walk away.

How do you begin to change the hearts and minds? it feels impossible. What a sad sad video.

Ummm... wow. Clearly some of y'all are not aware that the internet is overflowing with videos of all types of people fighting. That and much, MUCH worse. Monitor your kids internet activities, for real!

ernestsewell said:

Evvy said:

At least we know you would never hit a woman- you'd stand or walk away as she hit, kicked, and pulled your hair out.

Being a woman- no I would never elude to being beat as a means of release- but I cant say that if I was beating up my man or beating on my man for whatever reason other than self-defense that I would expect him to at some point hit , hold, or whatever back.

My post was an instant reaction and question after watching this- not a full out campaign about physical abuse...You wouldn't "hit" me but you would string me up by my ass hairs for asking? okee dokee stupider=stupid....

If you have your own agenda here, which you clearly do, then there's really no way for anyone to have a civil conversation with you. Perhaps your brain is altered in some fashion, either by internal and/or external chemicals - creating a highly unstable imbalance, that precludes logic and reason in your stream of thought and exchange.

Your twisting of my words is typical when you have no defense. You went off over an English correction (and a fucking valid one, but yet like most people akin to yourself seemed to have skipped when another Orger agreed with me on that correction - fickle much?), then attacked what I said about hitting women.

Perhaps you, madam, feel you deserve a slap or a punch - but any woman worth her salt and weight in self-esteem would never feel that way. EVER. That, alone, speaks volumes about you. And that is why you've tragically lost the conversation. As a footnote on that: If you feel some empowerment, or entitlement, to putting your overly manicured hooves on someone without provocation, there are deeper issues than someone slapping you back. Think about it.

When you come back to earth, level out, and get out of your "angry woman" mode, we can talk. Maybe. Until then...buh-bye.

you have obviously found it difficult to respond to me without being a stickler or pompous. your assumptions about me extend further than my reply to you berating me so why don't we just agree to disagree because this is going nowhere.

my thread was made for light conversation on a serious matter that could be viewed differently by either a man or a woman- not to belittle you or feel the need to defend myself from someone who suggested physical harm because of the issue raised.

and no I didnt twist your words- I quoted you

a dude should never hit a woman..agreed

a woman should not hit a man.. agreed

i think girls now a days have taking for granted chivalry and forgot how much stronger men are physically

she probably thought "oh he cant hit me, im a girl!" so she just went all out on homeboy

but that dude punk as well for hitting her

everybody was wrong ....no one did the RIGHT thing

except for that lady that tried to help her

im not gonna lie i laughed alittle bit

not at her getting hit but how she went down and was laying there ...

No she did not ask for that. At one point I heard someone say that he "knocked her out three times" We didn't see the whole fight. Those guys standing around watching should have jumped that asshole.

Keyumdi said:

No she did not ask for that. At one point I heard someone say that he "knocked her out three times" We didn't see the whole fight. Those guys standing around watching should have jumped that asshole.

I heard that, too, but I took it to mean he knocked her out so bad that it was like he knocked her out THREE times. Also, I'm pretty sure I was hearing some dudes in the background telling the guy to get lost. I was actully hoping the camera holder would have turned around to film that.

I'm not saying he should have clocked her in the jaw, but if anyone attacks me like she was, I'm pretty much going to make sure he/she stops one way or another.

oh, and btw.....don't fucking assault people if you aren't prepared to get assaulted yourself. that's really the end of that story. is he an asshole for knocking her out? yes.

should she have expected to get punched in the face after she started assaulting him? yes.

everyone is wrong on some level, but I'm just saying....if you are female, you can't assualt a man in the manner she did and then use "you don't hit a woman" as your shield/defense. it's a two way street whether you think that is fair or not. that's just simple logic in my eyes.

I'm sure that's no where near the popular opinion, but it is how I see it.

JerseyKRS said:

I'm not saying he should have clocked her in the jaw, but if anyone attacks me like she was, I'm pretty much going to make sure he/she stops one way or another.

oh, and btw.....don't fucking assault people if you aren't prepared to get assaulted yourself. that's really the end of that story. is he an asshole for knocking her out? yes.

should she have expected to get punched in the face after she started assaulting him? yes.

everyone is wrong on some level, but I'm just saying....if you are female, you can't assualt a man in the manner she did and then use "you don't hit a woman" as your shield/defense. it's a two way street whether you think that is fair or not. that's just simple logic in my eyes.

I'm sure that's no where near the popular opinion, but it is how I see it.

JerseyKRS said:

I'm not saying he should have clocked her in the jaw, but if anyone attacks me like she was, I'm pretty much going to make sure he/she stops one way or another.

oh, and btw.....don't fucking assault people if you aren't prepared to get assaulted yourself. that's really the end of that story. is he an asshole for knocking her out? yes.

should she have expected to get punched in the face after she started assaulting him? yes.

everyone is wrong on some level, but I'm just saying....if you are female, you can't assualt a man in the manner she did and then use "you don't hit a woman" as your shield/defense. it's a two way street whether you think that is fair or not. that's just simple logic in my eyes.

I'm sure that's no where near the popular opinion, but it is how I see it.

that opinion is fine by me

mainly because it makes sense

on a real life level

orger said:

JerseyKRS said:

I'm not saying he should have clocked her in the jaw, but if anyone attacks me like she was, I'm pretty much going to make sure he/she stops one way or another.

oh, and btw.....don't fucking assault people if you aren't prepared to get assaulted yourself. that's really the end of that story. is he an asshole for knocking her out? yes.

should she have expected to get punched in the face after she started assaulting him? yes.

everyone is wrong on some level, but I'm just saying....if you are female, you can't assualt a man in the manner she did and then use "you don't hit a woman" as your shield/defense. it's a two way street whether you think that is fair or not. that's just simple logic in my eyes.

I'm sure that's no where near the popular opinion, but it is how I see it.

that opinion is fine by me

mainly because it makes sense

on a real life level

in NO WAY am I advocating hitting women....

I'm more or less advocating that if you assault ANYONE you should EXPECT to get assaulted in return, with NO regard to gender.

everyone has a responsibility for their own actions. EVERYONE.

[Edited 10/1/10 13:15pm]

JerseyKRS said:

orger said:

that opinion is fine by me

mainly because it makes sense

on a real life level

in NO WAY am I advocating hitting women....

I'm more or less advocating that if you assault ANYONE you should EXPECT to get assaulted in return, with NO regard to gender.

everyone has a responsibility for their own actions. EVERYONE.

[Edited 10/1/10 13:15pm]

Exactly. Not every dude is going to react the same way. If you keep selling woof tickets, someone might buy them.

JerseyKRS said:

orger said:

that opinion is fine by me

mainly because it makes sense

on a real life level

in NO WAY am I advocating hitting women....

I'm more or less advocating that if you assault ANYONE you should EXPECT to get assaulted in return, with NO regard to gender.

everyone has a responsibility for their own actions. EVERYONE.

[Edited 10/1/10 13:15pm]

there's a long list of things

that I would never do to anyone

unless I had to

some people don't have such limits

something to keep in mind when placing yourself

in a volatile situation

JerseyKRS said:

orger said:

that opinion is fine by me

mainly because it makes sense

on a real life level

in NO WAY am I advocating hitting women....

I'm more or less advocating that if you assault ANYONE you should EXPECT to get assaulted in return, with NO regard to gender.

everyone has a responsibility for their own actions. EVERYONE.

[Edited 10/1/10 13:15pm]

I mostly agree with you. Especially about expecting a response and taking responsibility for your own actions. But I still think every effort should be made to NOT hit a woman. That guy could have turned around, restrained her, looked her right in the face and said, "stop, or I will knock you the fuck out!" Chances are good she would have gotten the point. Even if she didn't he could still have just kept walking... or knocked her the fuck out! I've hit a man, more than once. I've seen OTHER men hit women, more than once. The results are very different. I don't think the latter is acceptable except under the most extreme circumstances.

orger said:

JerseyKRS said:

in NO WAY am I advocating hitting women....

I'm more or less advocating that if you assault ANYONE you should EXPECT to get assaulted in return, with NO regard to gender.

everyone has a responsibility for their own actions. EVERYONE.

[Edited 10/1/10 13:15pm]

there's a long list of things

that I would never do to anyone

unless I had to

some people don't have such limits

something to keep in mind when placing yourself

in a volatile situation

right. I believe most people, men included, would not hit her like that....but as the assaulting party, you gotta be prepared for the other person being that 1 in whatever number of people that could care less about puching you in your female jaw...no matter how wrong he is. they exist, ya know??

Cerebus said:

JerseyKRS said:

in NO WAY am I advocating hitting women....

I'm more or less advocating that if you assault ANYONE you should EXPECT to get assaulted in return, with NO regard to gender.

everyone has a responsibility for their own actions. EVERYONE.

[Edited 10/1/10 13:15pm]

I mostly agree with you. Especially about expecting a response and taking responsibility for your own actions. But I still think every effort should be made to NOT hit a woman. That guy could have turned around, restrained her, looked her right in the face and said, "stop, or I will knock you the fuck out!" Chances are good she would have gotten the point. Even if she didn't he could still have just kept walking... or knocked her the fuck out! I've hit a man, more than once. I've seen OTHER men hit women, more than once. The results are very different. I don't think the latter is acceptable except under the most extreme circumstances.

and I agree wholeheartedly with your post. I wouldn't have hit her either. but that's my point, you have to help your situation the most YOU possibly can. his actions are his own, and HE'S responsible for them...but don't contribute to the volatile situation yourself....right?

I only want to hit women's tits with my face.

Cerebus said:

But I still think every effort should be made to NOT hit a woman. That guy could have turned around, restrained her, looked her right in the face and said, "stop, or I will knock you the fuck out!" Chances are good she would have gotten the point. Even if she didn't he could still have just kept walking... or knocked her the fuck out! I've hit a man, more than once. I've seen OTHER men hit women, more than once. The results are very different. I don't think the latter is acceptable except under the most extreme circumstances.

I think this is a more appropriate "unwritten law" rather than you "never hit a woman".

What about small framed weak men? Say a large, strong woman assaults him. Should he just sit there and take it because he's "not supposed to hit a woman"? All things need to be applied within context IMO.

Heeeeeeh....

Never mind.

[Edited 10/1/10 14:13pm]

ernestsewell said:

Evvy said:

At least we know you would never hit a woman- you'd stand or walk away as she hit, kicked, and pulled your hair out.

Being a woman- no I would never elude to being beat as a means of release- but I cant say that if I was beating up my man or beating on my man for whatever reason other than self-defense that I would expect him to at some point hit , hold, or whatever back.

My post was an instant reaction and question after watching this- not a full out campaign about physical abuse...You wouldn't "hit" me but you would string me up by my ass hairs for asking? okee dokee stupider=stupid....

If you have your own agenda here, which you clearly do, then there's really no way for anyone to have a civil conversation with you. Perhaps your brain is altered in some fashion, either by internal and/or external chemicals - creating a highly unstable imbalance, that precludes logic and reason in your stream of thought and exchange.

Your twisting of my words is typical when you have no defense. You went off over an English correction (and a fucking valid one, but yet like most people akin to yourself seemed to have skipped when another Orger agreed with me on that correction - fickle much?), then attacked what I said about hitting women.

Perhaps you, madam, feel you deserve a slap or a punch - but any woman worth her salt and weight in self-esteem would never feel that way. EVER. That, alone, speaks volumes about you. And that is why you've tragically lost the conversation. As a footnote on that: If you feel some empowerment, or entitlement, to putting your overly manicured hooves on someone without provocation, there are deeper issues than someone slapping you back. Think about it.

When you come back to earth, level out, and get out of your "angry woman" mode, we can talk. Maybe. Until then...buh-bye.

OK, total sidebar here. Was I ever this vicious? I feel I've calmed down quite a bit but I think someone took the vicious torch from my hands!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

ernestsewell said:

If you have your own agenda here, which you clearly do, then there's really no way for anyone to have a civil conversation with you. Perhaps your brain is altered in some fashion, either by internal and/or external chemicals - creating a highly unstable imbalance, that precludes logic and reason in your stream of thought and exchange.

Your twisting of my words is typical when you have no defense. You went off over an English correction (and a fucking valid one, but yet like most people akin to yourself seemed to have skipped when another Orger agreed with me on that correction - fickle much?), then attacked what I said about hitting women.

Perhaps you, madam, feel you deserve a slap or a punch - but any woman worth her salt and weight in self-esteem would never feel that way. EVER. That, alone, speaks volumes about you. And that is why you've tragically lost the conversation. As a footnote on that: If you feel some empowerment, or entitlement, to putting your overly manicured hooves on someone without provocation, there are deeper issues than someone slapping you back. Think about it.

When you come back to earth, level out, and get out of your "angry woman" mode, we can talk. Maybe. Until then...buh-bye.

OK, total sidebar here. Was I ever this vicious? I feel I've calmed down quite a bit but I think someone took the vicious torch from my hands!

No and never self-absorbed and clueless either

Lammastide said:

XxAxX said:

um, wasn't she kind of attacking someone?

And that's my point. There's no way of telling if her hitting him was the direct cause of his hitting her. (He seems the type that may have done it anyway.) But in my mind, it was the thing that most immediately precipitated it. If they both dispensed with the hitting, well... no one would have gotten hit.

[Edited 10/1/10 11:02am]

right.

i think it would be reasonable to expect that if someone is attacked, that person will likely retaliate, in self defense if for no other reason. maybe even up the ante a bit.

as for the whole chivalry thing, well.. .

Hell no she didn't ask for it.

Cerebus said:

A) Just keep walkin'. No matter how long it takes. Just keep walkin'. I knew some crazy tough women at one time and still saw them get dropped by a man with one punch. Just like in this video. Never a reason punch a woman. If he didn't have the inner strength to just keep walkin' I have no problem with him grabbin' her wrists and to make it clear that mess needs to stop. Dude is more than big enough to do that. But keep walkin' after that. Never a left to the jaw. Not down for punching women, ever, under any circumstances.

B) Advise to the sane and not legally challenged; just call the cops. There was witnessed everywhere.

C) "Yo she leakin', put her down" "She leakin'?" is still funny. Not that she got hit or "is leakin'", just the way they said it.

D) Men fighting is situational, but at this point in my life I tend to believe it should be restricted to self-defense.

That's what they said about the dude that took on Epic Beard Man. "Yo, he's leakin!"

RodeoSchro said:

Cerebus said:

A) Just keep walkin'. No matter how long it takes. Just keep walkin'. I knew some crazy tough women at one time and still saw them get dropped by a man with one punch. Just like in this video. Never a reason punch a woman. If he didn't have the inner strength to just keep walkin' I have no problem with him grabbin' her wrists and to make it clear that mess needs to stop. Dude is more than big enough to do that. But keep walkin' after that. Never a left to the jaw. Not down for punching women, ever, under any circumstances.

B) Advise to the sane and not legally challenged; just call the cops. There was witnessed everywhere.

C) "Yo she leakin', put her down" "She leakin'?" is still funny. Not that she got hit or "is leakin'", just the way they said it.

D) Men fighting is situational, but at this point in my life I tend to believe it should be restricted to self-defense.

That's what they said about the dude that took on Epic Beard Man. "Yo, he's leakin!"

I'm going to a place where it's always really warm...

Cerebus said:

Keyumdi said:

No she did not ask for that. At one point I heard someone say that he "knocked her out three times" We didn't see the whole fight. Those guys standing around watching should have jumped that asshole.

I heard that, too, but I took it to mean he knocked her out so bad that it was like he knocked her out THREE times. Also, I'm pretty sure I was hearing some dudes in the background telling the guy to get lost. I was actully hoping the camera holder would have turned around to film that.

Ahhh. Even so those guys standing around watching her were a buinch of creeps.

I'm a woman, and I know I am not strong enough to knock a man the fuck out. To go toe to toe with a dude is just stupid. Thats what weapons are for....

You gotta wait until he's sleeping and get out the lighter fluid...or at least play "grit ball"....she was just seriously stupid. If he had already been smacking her around before the camera started rolling, I think she was just counting on the crowd not letting it get too bad, and was getting a rush out of diving into her own twisted anger.

As for the dude...he could have killed her punching her like that......that would be like me punching a child in the head. She wasn't a very big woman. He should have just restrained her because without a weapon, it was unlikely she could have actually injured him without a good groin kick.....

He was more wrong than she was.........she was absolutely wrong.....but him being the one with all the physical power, he was more wrong

JerseyKRS said:

orger said:

that opinion is fine by me

mainly because it makes sense

on a real life level

in NO WAY am I advocating hitting women....

I'm more or less advocating that if you assault ANYONE you should EXPECT to get assaulted in return, with NO regard to gender.

everyone has a responsibility for their own actions. EVERYONE.

[Edited 10/1/10 13:15pm]

I entirely agree.

StillGotIt said:

I'm a woman, and I know I am not strong enough to knock a man the fuck out. To go toe to toe with a dude is just stupid. Thats what weapons are for....

Never underestimate the power of a woman, just cos the male is strong makes no difference. Technic or technique is paramount.

I just think that all the characters in this story are rather stupid...