OOoo, it would be great if he made special edition versions of the prequel trilogy for the 3D releases. Ya know... something that doesn't mostly suck.

Cerebus said:

Thoughts...

It's the "special edition" original trilogy that will be converted to 3D. George has said many times that he will no longer work with the original trilogy as it was first released to theaters.

He's actually been talking about this for a while, so as mentioned, it was inevitable.

The reason it hasn't happened already is that converting to stereo 3D without making a complete mess of the source material is VERY tricky. I hope they take their time and do the best job possible. They're going to FURTHER piss of a lot of people if they don't.

Is it beating a dead horse? Is it another cash grab? Yes, and no. At this point I'm a little shocked that people haven't reached some level of peace with the fact that George Lucas is going to continue messing with Star Wars until the day he dies. It's "his thing". Any time a new technology comes along that he can apply to the film we may as well assume that he's going to do so.

Personally, I'm more interested in the Blu-Ray releases with a ton of never before seen extras. Those are supposedly also on the way.

I will go see the OT 3D releases. Mainly just because seeing the original trilogy in a theater is a bad ass experience. I went to all three the last time they were re-released to theaters, too. If the 3D doesn't completely suck it should be a lot of fun. It's always great to see all the kids watching Star Wars the way it was meant to be seen for the first time.... and I hate kids!

While I like the prequel trilogy, versus the LOVE I feel for the OT, I will never under any circumstances pay to see those in a theater again. I don't care if the ticket price includes a meal, massage AND a happy ending. Those are just fine on DVD.

Edit to make clear that I'll only pay to see the OT again... not the prequels!

[Edited 9/30/10 13:28pm]

I'm not sure if I'll pay for the 3D re-release of Phantom Menace and Clones, which were half great, half awful, but I'LL CERTAINLY pay for Revenge of the Sith, boy that film WAS great...

JoeTyler said:

Cerebus said:

Thoughts...

It's the "special edition" original trilogy that will be converted to 3D. George has said many times that he will no longer work with the original trilogy as it was first released to theaters.

He's actually been talking about this for a while, so as mentioned, it was inevitable.

The reason it hasn't happened already is that converting to stereo 3D without making a complete mess of the source material is VERY tricky. I hope they take their time and do the best job possible. They're going to FURTHER piss of a lot of people if they don't.

Is it beating a dead horse? Is it another cash grab? Yes, and no. At this point I'm a little shocked that people haven't reached some level of peace with the fact that George Lucas is going to continue messing with Star Wars until the day he dies. It's "his thing". Any time a new technology comes along that he can apply to the film we may as well assume that he's going to do so.

Personally, I'm more interested in the Blu-Ray releases with a ton of never before seen extras. Those are supposedly also on the way.

I will go see the OT 3D releases. Mainly just because seeing the original trilogy in a theater is a bad ass experience. I went to all three the last time they were re-released to theaters, too. If the 3D doesn't completely suck it should be a lot of fun. It's always great to see all the kids watching Star Wars the way it was meant to be seen for the first time.... and I hate kids!

While I like the prequel trilogy, versus the LOVE I feel for the OT, I will never under any circumstances pay to see those in a theater again. I don't care if the ticket price includes a meal, massage AND a happy ending. Those are just fine on DVD.

Edit to make clear that I'll only pay to see the OT again... not the prequels!

[Edited 9/30/10 13:28pm]

I'm not sure if I'll pay for the 3D re-release of Phantom Menace and Clones, which were half great, half awful, but I'LL CERTAINLY pay for Revenge of the Sith, boy that film WAS great...

I still can't give it a "great" for the extreme overuse of CGI. Some of it not very good. But I agree that it's the only one of the prequels that actually feels like Star Wars.

Cerebus said:

JoeTyler said:

I'm not sure if I'll pay for the 3D re-release of Phantom Menace and Clones, which were half great, half awful, but I'LL CERTAINLY pay for Revenge of the Sith, boy that film WAS great...

I still can't give it a "great" for the extreme overuse of CGI. Some of it not very good. But I agree that it's the only one of the prequels that actually feels like Star Wars.

ROTSith was a mindblowing experience, and for once, the extreme overuse of the CGI worked well; that movie would have been impossible in the 80s and even the late-90s...Lucas and his team created a dark and edgy film/universe out of a PC computer...amazing...I'm sure that the overrated Avatar wouldn't have existed without ROTSith...

There were only two good Star Wars films: Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. The rest are horrendous. I'll pay to see those first two in 3D, but that's it.

Efan said:

There were only two good Star Wars films: Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. The rest are horrendous. I'll pay to see those first two in 3D, but that's it.

When a film becomes a saga it doesn't matter anymore if the sequels/prequels are good or not; as long as the final product is decent enough (Episodes I & II) or certainly good (Return of the Jedi, Revenge of the Sith), and the story goes on, fans will be happy.

You don't watch the Godfather Part III because it's another masterpiece (it isn't), you watch it because you wanna know about the fate of Michael Corleone; the same with SW...or Batman, or whatever...

but of course, if a new chapter is truly BAD, that's it, that's the end of the saga, so I guess Phantom Menace and Clones were good enough for both the hardcore and casual fans...

JoeTyler said:

Efan said:

There were only two good Star Wars films: Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. The rest are horrendous. I'll pay to see those first two in 3D, but that's it.

When a film becomes a saga it doesn't matter anymore if the sequels/prequels are good or not; as long as the final product is decent enough (Episodes I & II) or certainly good (Return of the Jedi, Revenge of the Sith), and the story goes on, fans will be happy.

You don't watch the Godfather Part III because it's another masterpiece (it isn't), you watch it because you wanna know about the fate of Michael Corleone; the same with SW...or Batman, or whatever...

but of course, if a new chapter is truly BAD, that's it, that's the end of the saga, so I guess Phantom Menace and Clones were good enough for both the hardcore and casual fans...

It always matters whether the films are good or not. At least to me. If it's bad, I might watch it once to see how the saga ends (or continues). But if a film is good, I might see it in the theaters more than once, and I'll definitely buy it on DVD/Blu-ray. I love the first Iron Man, just for example, and have watched it a few times. Iron Man 2 will never find its way into my collection, though.

Efan said:

There were only two good Star Wars films: Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. The rest are horrendous. I'll pay to see those first two in 3D, but that's it.

I LOVE 2/3 of Jedi. But I hate anything where the teddy bears are on screen and I think George's special edition changes made this film worse. Empire and A New Hope are definitely my favorites, though. In that order.

I don't know how to explain how I feel about the prequels other than saying I like them, but I LOVE the OT. I like being able to visit the SW universe again - seeing new places and such. I just don't think the films are even a fraction as good as their predecessors.

JT, I really enjoyed ROTS, but I can't agree with you about the CGI. It's badly overdone. Lucas' insistance on building limited practical sets bit him in the ass more than once. Also, the Massive engine - used to create large groups of CGI characters who move indepedently for the LOTR movies - would have been a great help to the prequel trilogy. All the bots that move exactly the same look SOOOO fake. Also, can't agree about Avatar and I don't think it's overrated. IMO the film world would have been a better place if Lucas had put as much of his imagination into other projects as Cameron did. However, I also think the prequel trilogy would look better if Lucas had made it just a few years later. Technology was moving very quickly during those years. Cameron knew it, that's why he waited to make Avatar.

[Edited 9/30/10 20:36pm]

Cerebus said:

Efan said:

There were only two good Star Wars films: Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. The rest are horrendous. I'll pay to see those first two in 3D, but that's it.

I LOVE 2/3 of Jedi. But I hate anything where the teddy bears are on screen and I think George's special edition changes made this film worse. Empire and A New Hope are definitely my favorites, though. In that order.

I don't know how to explain how I feel about the prequels other than saying I like them, but I LOVE the OT. I like being able to visit the SW universe again - seeing new places and such. I just don't think the films are even a fraction as good as their predecessors.

JT, I really enjoyed ROTS, but I can't agree with you about the CGI. It's badly overdone. Lucas' insistance on not building limited practical sets bit him in the ass more than once. Also, the Massive engine - used to create large groups of CGI characters who move indepedently for the LOTR movies - would have been a great help to the prequel trilogy. All the bots that move exactly the same look SOOOO fake. Also, can't agree about Avatar and I don't think it's overrated. IMO the film world would have been a better place if Lucas had put as much of his imagination into other project as Cameron did. However, I also think the prequel trilogy would look better if Lucas had made it just a few years later. Technology was moving very quickly during those years. Cameron new it, that's why he waited to make Avatar.

I agree with a lot of what you posted here. Especially CGI--I hate it. I hate on just about every movie it's used in.

I can take some of Jedi, but I think I only like about 1/4 of it. Maybe. I hate the teddy bear muppets. I also hate the long, boring intro. It takes forever for any action to happen in that movie. It's like half an hour, forty minutes in before it gets to anything excitng. And then there's the wretched dialogue. A major chunk of the movie just seems to be the emperor and Darth Vader saying the same things over and over again.

Efan said:

JoeTyler said:

When a film becomes a saga it doesn't matter anymore if the sequels/prequels are good or not; as long as the final product is decent enough (Episodes I & II) or certainly good (Return of the Jedi, Revenge of the Sith), and the story goes on, fans will be happy.

You don't watch the Godfather Part III because it's another masterpiece (it isn't), you watch it because you wanna know about the fate of Michael Corleone; the same with SW...or Batman, or whatever...

but of course, if a new chapter is truly BAD, that's it, that's the end of the saga, so I guess Phantom Menace and Clones were good enough for both the hardcore and casual fans...

It always matters whether the films are good or not. At least to me. If it's bad, I might watch it once to see how the saga ends (or continues). But if a film is good, I might see it in the theaters more than once, and I'll definitely buy it on DVD/Blu-ray. I love the first Iron Man, just for example, and have watched it a few times. Iron Man 2 will never find its way into my collection, though.

Well, I partially agree with you but here's my problem: if a sequel ends with a cliffhanger, I just need to own the next chapter, even if it's crappy; that's why I need both Phantom Menace and Clones (otherwise ROTSith makes little sense) and that's why I don't own Crystal Skull: I just keep pretending that after Last Crusade Indi fought in WWII, returned home and maybe married Marion, and that's all...but hell, if you own Empire Strikes Back you need Return of the Jedi, with that massive cliffhanger...

JoeTyler said:

Efan said:

It always matters whether the films are good or not. At least to me. If it's bad, I might watch it once to see how the saga ends (or continues). But if a film is good, I might see it in the theaters more than once, and I'll definitely buy it on DVD/Blu-ray. I love the first Iron Man, just for example, and have watched it a few times. Iron Man 2 will never find its way into my collection, though.

Well, I partially agree with you but here's my problem: if a sequel ends with a cliffhanger, I just need to own the next chapter, even if it's crappy; that's why I need both Phantom Menace and Clones (otherwise ROTSith makes little sense) and that's why I don't own Crystal Skull: I just keep pretending that after Last Crusade Indi fought in WWII, returned home and maybe married Marion, and that's all...but hell, if you own Empire Strikes Back you need Return of the Jedi, with that massive cliffhanger...

I think we can all agree that Crystal Skull never happened.

Efan said:

JoeTyler said:

Well, I partially agree with you but here's my problem: if a sequel ends with a cliffhanger, I just need to own the next chapter, even if it's crappy; that's why I need both Phantom Menace and Clones (otherwise ROTSith makes little sense) and that's why I don't own Crystal Skull: I just keep pretending that after Last Crusade Indi fought in WWII, returned home and maybe married Marion, and that's all...but hell, if you own Empire Strikes Back you need Return of the Jedi, with that massive cliffhanger...

I think we can all agree that Crystal Skull never happened.

a youtube video of Indi & Marion wedding, that's all I need

Efan said:

I think we can all agree that Crystal Skull never happened.

I still haven't watched it and I have no intention on doing so. I may even check out the fifth one if they make it. But this movie looked and sounded awful to me from the word go. Since everyone I know who saw it had nothing but bad things to say about it I just decided, like many people, to pretend it doesn't exist.

Cerebus said:

Efan said:

I think we can all agree that Crystal Skull never happened.

I still haven't watched it and I have no intention on doing so. I may even check out the fifth one if they make it. But this movie looked and sounded awful to me from the word go. Since everyone I know who saw it had nothing but bad things to say about it I just decided, like many people, to pretend it doesn't exist.

don't watch it, you're doing the right thing ; CK features some of the WORST & MOST RIDICULOUS action sequences of all time, from the nuke the fridge scene to the jungle monkeys save the day scene; just a bunch of overblown-impossible scenes, annoying secondary characters and a tired ass script. bad bad bad. The disappointment that I felt with the nuke the fridge scene was only comparable to the dread I felt with Batman & Robin and the "chicks dig the car" scene...

The only cool scene was, as I've said, Indy's wedding...which you can watch on youtube...

this is beating a dead horse ..so let me guess, the blu ray versions will have something the 3D movies won't and then that will spawn years later ..star wars 3D dvd box sets down the road ..lawd ...i don't even have a blu ray player!!

2 this day i still can't forgive george for killing out darth maul in phantom ..grrrr

and can we see mara jade on screen 4 a god's sake?

Cerebus said:

I LOVE 2/3 of Jedi. But I hate anything where the teddy bears are on screen

Yeah...now that I'm older (as in, "past puberty") I can't stand to watch the ewoks.

Can you even BEGIN to imagine how awesome the movie would've been with the original Wookies instead?

Efan said:

There were only two good Star Wars films: Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. The rest are horrendous. I'll pay to see those first two in 3D, but that's it.

I agree. Jedi wasted the greatness of Empire...

How bout the Ewoks movie????

I remember me and my brother always watching that on betamax when we were little.

Haven't seen it since!

Ewoks

I will be Howard the Ducked if I'm going to part with my hard earned to sit through ANOTHER incarnation of movies that I've seen sooooo many times in differing versions!!!!

Lucas must think that his fans heads have zips up the back, rereleasing those bloody films AGAIN!!! But there will be the usual nob ends dressed in their dressing gowns as Obi Wan queueing up for days in advance just so they can wave their plastic lightsabers at the screen and claim to be the first ones to see it!!!

I own the 1977, '80 and '83 versions of the original trilogy on dvd, not the CGI awful Special Editions, nor do I own or have any interest in the Prequels (as they're all shit!!). And the Originals are the ones that I'll stick with forever more, without sitting through 3D versions of the fucking things!!!!!

Just another excuse to milk the simpleton fanbase dry!!!

TotalANXiousNESS said:

How bout the Ewoks movie????

I remember me and my brother always watching that on betamax when we were little.

Haven't seen it since!

were there more than one? I got it for my kids not so long ago from the library!

I saw all three when they were originally released in the theatres. I'm thinkin' yeah, it would be fun to see them in 3D.

ok I HATE STARWARS i've only seen 4-6, but my brother is a complete fan both with the entire Jedi Council tattooed on his left leg and al the Dark Lords of Sith on his right leg. And if I'm remembering correctly when Lucas first announced 1-3 he also stated he'd do 7-9 and than after 1 finished he changed his mind said he'd only do 1.

Well umm couldn't he just go ahead and have done 7-9 instead of doing 3d?

Efan said:

I thought 7 thru 9 was about Luke/Leia rebuilding the jedi temple and the republic and her and Hans jedi twins. Which sounds like a complete snooze fest.

lazycrockett said:

I thought 7 thru 9 was about Luke/Leia rebuilding the jedi temple and the republic and her and Hans jedi twins. Which sounds like a complete snooze fest.

and i'm sure you suffered through 1 and 2 so why are you complaining?

lazycrockett said:

I thought 7 thru 9 was about Luke/Leia rebuilding the jedi temple and the republic and her and Hans jedi twins. Which sounds like a complete snooze fest.

well, those were mid-90s comic books that, despite being canonical, have not aged well at all, and nobody gives a damn about them anymore, really (just like the crappy Dark Empire series, which featured the clones of Palpatine ; I just keep pretending those comics don't exist )

If someone makes an official 7-9 film trilogy, I hardly doubt it will feature Han, Leia, Chewie, R2, etc...; it would be (probably) a New Jedi Academy story about Luke Skywalker and his students...perhaps a new trilogy is not a good idea after all

but I'd kill for a SW TV series with Mark Hamill

[Edited 10/4/10 4:19am]