FauxReal said:

savoirfaire said:

WaterInYourBath said:

They might, depending on the type of games you all like, but the new "PS Move" for PS3 is like 20x better than the Wii in terms of actual technical gameplay. It was just released last week. I've been saying for months that Move just might put Wii out of business, unless Nintendo drastically upgrades their system.

Absolutely not.. The Move, in terms of tech, is not significantly improved from the Wii's motion plus.

However, even if it were, the Move's failure will come from two extremely significant factors:

1) It's an add-on product: The Move, like so many other add-on products (including Wii's own motion plus), will simply not get enough support from developers because it's an add on product. Let's assume that 25% of PS3 owners buy a Move. That would be a huge success in volume sales; imagine if a game was purchased by 25% of PS3 owners.

Nevertheless, a developer is now designing a game (that they sell for the same amount), but for a market representing only 1/4th of their potential market. The wii is succesful because its controller came right out of the box.

2) Cost prohibitive: Consider the PS3 is still 100 dollars more expensive than the Wii, plus the move, equals approximately 250 dollars additional investment in the Move over the wii. And for what purpose? To appeal to casual gaming. Casual gamers do not want to spend 250 bucks extra because the tech has an arguable edge over Wii motion plus, a 20 dollar upgrade.

Business wise, the Move was not smart, IMO.

business wise, the Move is just a testing ground for Sony's next gen system, so I wouldn't go so far as to call it not smart.

This is all crazy talk.

TotalANXiousNESS said:

This is all crazy talk.

I haven't played a home video game since the Atari 2600 so I'm as clueless about all this as you are.

I just use mine to watch blu-rays and netflix HD

JerseyKRS said:

well, I for one naked video chat with girls AND play Modern Warfare....I love my PS3!

the visual in my mind just made me throw up in my mouth...ugg:-(

sextonseven said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

This is all crazy talk.

I haven't played a home video game since the Atari 2600 so I'm as clueless about all this as you are.

smooth talker...

sextonseven said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

This is all crazy talk.

I haven't played a home video game since the Atari 2600 so I'm as clueless about all this as you are.

can you do wii bowling? I will have to teach you, it's easier than real bowling.

And that is where MY video game repertoire ends, unless you count SNOOD

which I am addicted to

TotalANXiousNESS said:

This is all crazy talk.

Maybe you'd like Viva Pinata (XBOX 360)...it's not crazy at all.

RenHoek said:

sextonseven said:

I haven't played a home video game since the Atari 2600 so I'm as clueless about all this as you are.

smooth talker...

Video games just don't interest me. People staying up all night playing them baffles me.

ZombieKitten said:

sextonseven said:

I haven't played a home video game since the Atari 2600 so I'm as clueless about all this as you are.

can you do wii bowling? I will have to teach you, it's easier than real bowling.

And that is where MY video game repertoire ends, unless you count SNOOD

which I am addicted to

I don't know anything about wii.

I've been playing Super Nintendo lately

sextonseven said:

ZombieKitten said:

can you do wii bowling? I will have to teach you, it's easier than real bowling.

And that is where MY video game repertoire ends, unless you count SNOOD

which I am addicted to

I don't know anything about wii.

it's easy, even my dad plays it!

bboy87 said:

I've been playing Super Nintendo lately

Been on a nostalgic kick myself. Bought the Ultimate Genesis Collection for 360. Been playing that mostly.

I've tried emulators and they're great being free and all. But I don't have a PC controller and it feels wrong playing without one.

FauxReal said:

bboy87 said:

I've been playing Super Nintendo lately

Been on a nostalgic kick myself. Bought the Ultimate Genesis Collection for 360. Been playing that mostly.

I've tried emulators and they're great being free and all. But I don't have a PC controller and it feels wrong playing without one.

I've been thinking about getting one

but I'd rather play the games on the original systems....or at least on a modded DS

bboy87 said:

FauxReal said:

Been on a nostalgic kick myself. Bought the Ultimate Genesis Collection for 360. Been playing that mostly.

I've tried emulators and they're great being free and all. But I don't have a PC controller and it feels wrong playing without one.

I've been thinking about getting one

but I'd rather play the games on the original systems....or at least on a modded DS

Same here. But some games are hard too hard to find. Or too expensive. Plus I gave my Super Nintendo to my daughter.

FauxReal said:

bboy87 said:

I've been thinking about getting one

but I'd rather play the games on the original systems....or at least on a modded DS

Same here. But some games are hard too hard to find. Or too expensive. Plus I gave my Super Nintendo to my daughter.

you can always get this....

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bboy87 said:

FauxReal said:

Same here. But some games are hard too hard to find. Or too expensive. Plus I gave my Super Nintendo to my daughter.

you can always get this....

[img:$uid]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n177/onionsaregross/Picture1-13.png[/img:$uid]

FauxReal said:

bboy87 said:

you can always get this....

[img:$uid]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n177/onionsaregross/Picture1-13.png[/img:$uid]

It's on Amazon for around $25. There's a store around the corner from where I live that has it for $40. I saw it on the shelf and reacted like this

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get this......there's one called the FC Trio that plays NES, SNES....and Genesis games

JerseyKRS said:

savoirfaire said:

Absolutely not.. The Move, in terms of tech, is not significantly improved from the Wii's motion plus.

However, even if it were, the Move's failure will come from two extremely significant factors:

1) It's an add-on product: The Move, like so many other add-on products (including Wii's own motion plus), will simply not get enough support from developers because it's an add on product. Let's assume that 25% of PS3 owners buy a Move. That would be a huge success in volume sales; imagine if a game was purchased by 25% of PS3 owners.

Nevertheless, a developer is now designing a game (that they sell for the same amount), but for a market representing only 1/4th of their potential market. The wii is succesful because its controller came right out of the box.

2) Cost prohibitive: Consider the PS3 is still 100 dollars more expensive than the Wii, plus the move, equals approximately 250 dollars additional investment in the Move over the wii. And for what purpose? To appeal to casual gaming. Casual gamers do not want to spend 250 bucks extra because the tech has an arguable edge over Wii motion plus, a 20 dollar upgrade.

Business wise, the Move was not smart, IMO.

business wise, the Move is just a testing ground for Sony's next gen system, so I wouldn't go so far as to call it not smart.

Right, plus, regarding price, the higher video resolution of the PS3 alone makes it and the Move worth more than the Wii, in my opinion. Like the Xbox 360, that's one of the top reasons why it's so expensive compared to Nintendo's products. PS3 has 720p-1080p, while the Wii only has maximum 480p. That's a significant difference, which is very apparent during gameplay.

sextonseven said:

WaterInYourBath said:

JerseyKRS said:

business wise, the Move is just a testing ground for Sony's next gen system, so I wouldn't go so far as to call it not smart.

Right, plus, regarding price, the higher video resolution of the PS3 alone makes it and the Move worth more than the Wii, in my opinion. Like the Xbox 360, that's one of the top reasons why it's so expensive compared to Nintendo's products. PS3 has 720p-1080p, while the Wii only has maximum 480p. That's a significant difference, which is very apparent during gameplay.

Hey, I'm not saying the PS3 isn't WORTH the money, that's up for debate.

I'm merely explaining why adding motion control to PS3 doesn't come anywhere near capitalizing on the success that the wii had, for the reasons I talked about previously.

You said the Move might put the wii out of business, but I would lay cash money down that it won't even come close to outselling wii, never mind putting it out of business. You can't appeal to a casual market with a 400 dollar system, and you can't appeal to game developers if the add-on product has only limited marketing penetration, and you can't try to capitalize on a gimmick 4 years after it was released.

JerseyKRS said:

savoirfaire said:

Absolutely not.. The Move, in terms of tech, is not significantly improved from the Wii's motion plus.

However, even if it were, the Move's failure will come from two extremely significant factors:

1) It's an add-on product: The Move, like so many other add-on products (including Wii's own motion plus), will simply not get enough support from developers because it's an add on product. Let's assume that 25% of PS3 owners buy a Move. That would be a huge success in volume sales; imagine if a game was purchased by 25% of PS3 owners.

Nevertheless, a developer is now designing a game (that they sell for the same amount), but for a market representing only 1/4th of their potential market. The wii is succesful because its controller came right out of the box.

2) Cost prohibitive: Consider the PS3 is still 100 dollars more expensive than the Wii, plus the move, equals approximately 250 dollars additional investment in the Move over the wii. And for what purpose? To appeal to casual gaming. Casual gamers do not want to spend 250 bucks extra because the tech has an arguable edge over Wii motion plus, a 20 dollar upgrade.

Business wise, the Move was not smart, IMO.

business wise, the Move is just a testing ground for Sony's next gen system, so I wouldn't go so far as to call it not smart.

If the next system Sony releases is full-bore motion control out of the box from launch day, then yes, it could be a success.

But Sony has spent a fortune on R&D and marketing promoting the move. This late in the game, I really don't think they were very smart about things.

savoirfaire said:

JerseyKRS said:

business wise, the Move is just a testing ground for Sony's next gen system, so I wouldn't go so far as to call it not smart.

If the next system Sony releases is full-bore motion control out of the box from launch day, then yes, it could be a success.

But Sony has spent a fortune on R&D and marketing promoting the move. This late in the game, I really don't think they were very smart about things.

like I said, I don't think they're banking on making much from the PS3 application. It's more of a real world R&D so to speak with the killer app of it on the next system.

JerseyKRS said:

savoirfaire said:

If the next system Sony releases is full-bore motion control out of the box from launch day, then yes, it could be a success.

But Sony has spent a fortune on R&D and marketing promoting the move. This late in the game, I really don't think they were very smart about things.

like I said, I don't think they're banking on making much from the PS3 application. It's more of a real world R&D so to speak with the killer app of it on the next system.

TOTALLY Agree!!!

JerseyKRS said:

savoirfaire said:

If the next system Sony releases is full-bore motion control out of the box from launch day, then yes, it could be a success.

But Sony has spent a fortune on R&D and marketing promoting the move. This late in the game, I really don't think they were very smart about things.

like I said, I don't think they're banking on making much from the PS3 application. It's more of a real world R&D so to speak with the killer app of it on the next system.

I read somewhere a few years ago, some geeky tech magazine, that Sony is usually doing R&D up to three game systems into the future. Meaning, they were discussing possible PS4 abilities while we were still playing our PS. They discuss what may be possible with the PS6 now, while we're still figuring out what can be done with our PS3. It's probably almost all hypothetical, but still interesting that they're thinking that far ahead. Someday, if the Earth lasts that long, it WILL be renamed Planet Sony.

Cerebus said:

JerseyKRS said:

like I said, I don't think they're banking on making much from the PS3 application. It's more of a real world R&D so to speak with the killer app of it on the next system.

I read somewhere a few years ago, some geeky tech magazine, that Sony is usually doing R&D up to three game systems into the future. Meaning, they were discussing possible PS4 abilities while we were still playing our PS. They discuss what may be possible with the PS6 now, while we're still figuring out what can be done with our PS3. It's probably almost all hypothetical, but still interesting that they're thinking that far ahead. Someday, if the Earth lasts that long, it WILL be renamed Planet Sony.

I think Microsoft would disagree with you.

FauxReal said:

Cerebus said:

I read somewhere a few years ago, some geeky tech magazine, that Sony is usually doing R&D up to three game systems into the future. Meaning, they were discussing possible PS4 abilities while we were still playing our PS. They discuss what may be possible with the PS6 now, while we're still figuring out what can be done with our PS3. It's probably almost all hypothetical, but still interesting that they're thinking that far ahead. Someday, if the Earth lasts that long, it WILL be renamed Planet Sony.

I think Microsoft would disagree with you.

Nah. Microsoft doesn't create enough of it's own hardware. Eventually somebody will break the Microsoft monopoly on software. It's already started, really. Wait until some of their existing contracts come to an end. I bet we'll see some hardware creators start trying some different OS and "Office" packages.