Elmo is my homeboy. I have an Elmo room in my house.

WaterInYourBath said:

Cerebus said:

Are you serious here? They most certainly can walk in and start playing them without consent at any number of places. And while in an idealic world ALL parents would only let their kids play/watch age appropriate games, that's not the world we live in. I don't even think it would be fair to say that many of them aren't "concerned". I'm sure they are, but that doesn't mean they stop their kids from viewing every violent image that comes their way. No, just boobs. Because they're evil! Nor was I referring to JUST M-Rated games. Most video games are violent. Most cartoons are violent. A lot of "childrens" shows and movies are FILLED with "cartoon like" violence. Commercials are often violent. IF they watch anything with older children and/or adults, more violence. But cleavage, that's baaaaaad.

Where? If the parents don't purchase any innappropiate games, or any video game consoles period, a child won't play them at home. If the parents are aware of where the child is at all times, the child won't be allowed to play/watch them anywhere else either (like at stores or other people's houses). So what number of places can little children just start playing violent video games if the parents have control, lol?

And I stated M-rated games because "war games" and "Mafia" were named by the person who originally tried to compare video games to this. Those games contain hardcore scenes and are not created for young children, UNLIKE PBS shows. That is why I still say a baby show like Sesame Street, where there has never been any reason to stop a child from viewing it (until this Katy Perry crap, lol), is anything like games, cartoons, etc that have warnings for parents that inform them "Parental Discretion is Advised." Ever seen that label on Kids' PBS? I haven't.

Do you have kids?

I hope not, because you sound hopelessly naive.

Do you honestly believe that your average parents give a crap about a rating on a video game? It's not the same as an R rated movie to most parents, maybe because they don't realize exactly how realistic the violence is in some of the games. It's not as if Mom and Dad are watching Johnny play Modern Warfare - chances are, he has a TV and game console in his bedroom. His parents have no goddamn clue what he's doing in there half the time.

PunkMistress said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Where? If the parents don't purchase any innappropiate games, or any video game consoles period, a child won't play them at home. If the parents are aware of where the child is at all times, the child won't be allowed to play/watch them anywhere else either (like at stores or other people's houses). So what number of places can little children just start playing violent video games if the parents have control, lol?

And I stated M-rated games because "war games" and "Mafia" were named by the person who originally tried to compare video games to this. Those games contain hardcore scenes and are not created for young children, UNLIKE PBS shows. That is why I still say a baby show like Sesame Street, where there has never been any reason to stop a child from viewing it (until this Katy Perry crap, lol), is anything like games, cartoons, etc that have warnings for parents that inform them "Parental Discretion is Advised." Ever seen that label on Kids' PBS? I haven't.

Do you have kids?

I hope not, because you sound hopelessly naive.

Do you honestly believe that your average parents give a crap about a rating on a video game? It's not the same as an R rated movie to most parents, maybe because they don't realize exactly how realistic the violence is in some of the games. It's not as if Mom and Dad are watching Johnny play Modern Warfare - chances are, he has a TV and game console in his bedroom. His parents have no goddamn clue what he's doing in there half the time.

They should give a damn instead of whining about how their child was scarred for life because they played GTA or Halo, games they probably bought and clearly didn't pay attention to the rating and the content listed (it's there for a fucking reason) on the bottom of both front and back of the game. The same parents that bitch about this and how games should be banned are mostly likely the ones buying it, which to me doesn't make any sense whatsoever. As a parent, you should make sure that your child isn't watching or playing something that's not suitable for their age, instead of having everyone else do it.

Timmy84 said:

retina said:

I don't think it's offensive in any way. I'd be concerned if little girls got inspired to dress that way though.

And the parents that don't PUT THEIR FOOT DOWN on it rather than try to excuse it.

a little girl watching that is what, 2-5? she might ask to get a nice dress like that, but I'd be concerned if the PARENTS actually went out and BOUGHT it!

NastradumasKid said:

PunkMistress said:

Do you have kids?

I hope not, because you sound hopelessly naive.

Do you honestly believe that your average parents give a crap about a rating on a video game? It's not the same as an R rated movie to most parents, maybe because they don't realize exactly how realistic the violence is in some of the games. It's not as if Mom and Dad are watching Johnny play Modern Warfare - chances are, he has a TV and game console in his bedroom. His parents have no goddamn clue what he's doing in there half the time.

They should give a damn instead of whining about how their child was scarred for life because they played GTA or Halo, games they probably bought and clearly didn't pay attention to the rating and the content listed (it's there for a fucking reason) on the bottom of both front and back of the game. The same parents that bitch about this and how games should be banned are mostly likely the ones buying it, which to me doesn't make any sense whatsoever. As a parent, you should make sure that your child isn't watching or playing something that's not suitable for their age, instead of having everyone else do it.

I'm pretty much in agreement with most of this.

But the point I was addressing was the assertion that young children aren't exposed to graphic depictions of violence via video games. The reality is, they are.

Shucks, back in the day, I watched for Maria.

PunkMistress said:

NastradumasKid said:

They should give a damn instead of whining about how their child was scarred for life because they played GTA or Halo, games they probably bought and clearly didn't pay attention to the rating and the content listed (it's there for a fucking reason) on the bottom of both front and back of the game. The same parents that bitch about this and how games should be banned are mostly likely the ones buying it, which to me doesn't make any sense whatsoever. As a parent, you should make sure that your child isn't watching or playing something that's not suitable for their age, instead of having everyone else do it.

I'm pretty much in agreement with most of this.

But the point I was addressing was the assertion that young children aren't exposed to graphic depictions of violence via video games. The reality is, they are.

Okay, and I agree also, eventually kids will see something inappropriate, but of course violence is everywhere, you can't protect your kid forever.

PunkMistress said:

Shorty said:

I totally understand what your saying...but there's already plenty of oppurtunity for me to have to explain that women have cleavage other than on Sesame St.....like the grocery store.

Maybe I'm dense, but is this really something that needs explaining to kids?

Is it really ever a big deal to kids?

I don't get it. Women have tits. Every woman who's ever been on Sesame Street has tits, and every woman at the grocery store does, too. Sometimes they're squishing out of the tops of their shirts. It's, like, just there, like people's butts or ankles. They're not even doing anything, save a jiggle here and there. I just don't think it jumps out at our kids like some of us think it does. I truly don't think 99% give a flying fuck.

People are weird.

Co-sign to the nth power

I'd like to add to this thread by letting everyone know that I watched Sesame Street AND The Electric Company when I was a kid. I was a big fan!

I also watch Katy Perry's tits whenever I can. I'm a big fan!

MoniGram said:

Too much indeed....GET IT OFF!!!!

Actually I thought she was hotter when she looked like Zoe Deschanel...mainly because Zoe is hot fullstop

ThreadBare said:

Shucks, back in the day, I watched for Maria.

I don't know why but I thought Maria looked like my first grade teacher when she was younger.

PunkMistress said:

But the point I was addressing was the assertion that young children aren't exposed to graphic depictions of violence via video games. The reality is, they are.

I'm over it now. Some folks are postin' like they live in a cave right in between Leave It To Beaver and Little House On The Prairie. Walk in to any video game store, any major electronics store, hell - Wal-Mart! and there are little kids standing there playing or watching violent games. Do people REALLY believe that all parents are sitting down monitoring the games their kids are playing? Have they just purposely IGNORED all the studies regarding how parents are using TV and video games to keep their kids occupied? Or the ones about how many times a child is exposed to a violent image each day? Or how about the very example that I gave in this thread. Ya know what the other kids who come over to my friends house do at gatherings? They stand around and watch the adults play video games, too! And wait... wait! Why were ratings systems were ever needed to begin with? Gah! Like I said, I'm over it. Some folks just want to live in a world of Pollyanna delusions. Katy Perry's tits are not, were not and never will be offensive. Folks need to wake up and start worrying about shit that actually matters.

Cerebus said:

PunkMistress said:

But the point I was addressing was the assertion that young children aren't exposed to graphic depictions of violence via video games. The reality is, they are.

I'm over it now. Some folks are postin' like they live in a cave right in between Leave It To Beaver and Little House On The Prairie. Walk in to any video game store, any major electronics store, hell - Wal-Mart! and there are little kids standing there playing or watching violent games. Do people REALLY believe that all parents are sitting down monitoring the games their kids are playing? Have they just purposely IGNORED all the studies regarding how parents are using TV and video games to keep their kids occupied? Or the ones about how many times a child is exposed to a violent image each day? Or how about the very example that I gave in this thread. Ya know what the other kids who come over to my friends house do at gatherings? They stand around and watch the adults play video games, too! And wait... wait! Why were ratings systems were ever needed to begin with? Gah! Like I said, I'm over it. Some folks just want to live in a world of Pollyanna delusions. Katy Perry's tits are not, were not and never will be offensive. Folks need to wake up and start worrying about shit that actually matters.

PunkMistress said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Where? If the parents don't purchase any innappropiate games, or any video game consoles period, a child won't play them at home. If the parents are aware of where the child is at all times, the child won't be allowed to play/watch them anywhere else either (like at stores or other people's houses). So what number of places can little children just start playing violent video games if the parents have control, lol?

And I stated M-rated games because "war games" and "Mafia" were named by the person who originally tried to compare video games to this. Those games contain hardcore scenes and are not created for young children, UNLIKE PBS shows. That is why I still say a baby show like Sesame Street, where there has never been any reason to stop a child from viewing it (until this Katy Perry crap, lol), is anything like games, cartoons, etc that have warnings for parents that inform them "Parental Discretion is Advised." Ever seen that label on Kids' PBS? I haven't.

Do you have kids?

I hope not, because you sound hopelessly naive.

Do you honestly believe that your average parents give a crap about a rating on a video game? It's not the same as an R rated movie to most parents, maybe because they don't realize exactly how realistic the violence is in some of the games. It's not as if Mom and Dad are watching Johnny play Modern Warfare - chances are, he has a TV and game console in his bedroom. His parents have no goddamn clue what he's doing in there half the time.

Umm, no.

Many parents, like mine when I was little and several others I know, do "give a crap" about what their children are playing/viewing, therefore my perception on how to prevent a small child from being exposed to explicit violence/etc is based on THAT type of parenting. So no, what I'm saying is not naivete. Besides, how are you gonna come in here and tell me I sound "naive" when based on your response you're just not aware of what I'm talking about? ....

My whole point with this is to show how illogical it is to try to justify this clip on Sesame Street (that so-called unaware "average" parents have protested, LOL) by comparing it to adult video games that are not even easily accessible to young children. Perry's performance with Elmo obviously should not have been added to that show, that's why it's been removed. That has absolutely nothing to do with video games.

Cerebus said:

PunkMistress said:

But the point I was addressing was the assertion that young children aren't exposed to graphic depictions of violence via video games. The reality is, they are.

I'm over it now. Some folks are postin' like they live in a cave right in between Leave It To Beaver and Little House On The Prairie. Walk in to any video game store, any major electronics store, hell - Wal-Mart! and there are little kids standing there playing or watching violent games. Do people REALLY believe that all parents are sitting down monitoring the games their kids are playing? Have they just purposely IGNORED all the studies regarding how parents are using TV and video games to keep their kids occupied? Or the ones about how many times a child is exposed to a violent image each day? Or how about the very example that I gave in this thread. Ya know what the other kids who come over to my friends house do at gatherings? They stand around and watch the adults play video games, too! And wait... wait! Why were ratings systems were ever needed to begin with? Gah! Like I said, I'm over it. Some folks just want to live in a world of Pollyanna delusions. Katy Perry's tits are not, were not and never will be offensive. Folks need to wake up and start worrying about shit that actually matters.

Yeah, ok, LOL. Anyway, you act like that's a bad thing. What, you think I'd rather live in a cesspool between Sex and The City and Law and Order with you and everybody else?

And the part that you keep missing is, these parents must be monitoring something on their TVs. If not, then why are they speaking out against this Elmo video in the first place? Wanna continue to compare this to violence, fine: If Perry wasn't even there, and Elmo pulled out an Uzi and started shooting up the Street, these same careless parents, as you describe, would be writing in protesting about that too, no question.

WaterInYourBath said:

Cerebus said:

I'm over it now. Some folks are postin' like they live in a cave right in between Leave It To Beaver and Little House On The Prairie. Walk in to any video game store, any major electronics store, hell - Wal-Mart! and there are little kids standing there playing or watching violent games. Do people REALLY believe that all parents are sitting down monitoring the games their kids are playing? Have they just purposely IGNORED all the studies regarding how parents are using TV and video games to keep their kids occupied? Or the ones about how many times a child is exposed to a violent image each day? Or how about the very example that I gave in this thread. Ya know what the other kids who come over to my friends house do at gatherings? They stand around and watch the adults play video games, too! And wait... wait! Why were ratings systems were ever needed to begin with? Gah! Like I said, I'm over it. Some folks just want to live in a world of Pollyanna delusions. Katy Perry's tits are not, were not and never will be offensive. Folks need to wake up and start worrying about shit that actually matters.

Yeah, ok, LOL. Anyway, you act like that's a bad thing. What, you think I'd rather live in a cesspool between Sex and The City and Law and Order with you and everybody else?

And the part that you keep missing is, these parents must be monitoring something on their TVs. If not, then why are they speaking out against this Elmo video in the first place? Wanna continue to compare this to violence, fine: If Perry wasn't even there, and Elmo pulled out an Uzi and started shooting up the Street, these same careless parents, as you describe, would be writing in protesting about that too, no question.

Your arguments are circular, speculative and fail. You also took general statements and assumed they were directed at only you. If that was the case I would have quoted YOU, not PunkMistress. S'cool. Ain't nothin' personal from this side. I just think you're purposely missing the point I'm making. Katy Perry's boobs are not offensive, particularly in this instance. That was the point of my original post. If parents what to complain about violence, GREAT! Violence IS offensive. Two inches of cleavage, not so much.

WaterInYourBath said:

If Perry wasn't even there, and Elmo pulled out an Uzi and started shooting up the Street, these same careless parents, as you describe, would be writing in protesting about that too, no question.

Or they'd see it just for what it was; something quite funny, a puppet running around with a gun shooting up the place, not exactly reality now is it...

Ever seen Grover crash down in his super-outfit or jam into a lamppost?

Never seen a kid do that for fun or even seen or heard of them dress up, jump down from a rooftop into a lamppost because Grover did it on Sesamestreet...

It's time (American) people start realizing that banning shit only peaks interest...

As if looking at skin (I image these same whiny cunts have mirrors too...) ever killed or damaged someone...

What's wrong with being exposed to another (or even your own) human body?

Figures kids are becoming more fucked up each day with their dumbfuck parents clowning them about and into some fake and sterile non-existant world around them... Next thing you'll know these fuckups teach their kids to burn books...

Neversin.

PunkMistress said:

Shorty said:

I totally understand what your saying...but there's already plenty of oppurtunity for me to have to explain that women have cleavage other than on Sesame St.....like the grocery store.

Maybe I'm dense, but is this really something that needs explaining to kids?

Is it really ever a big deal to kids?

I don't get it. Women have tits. Every woman who's ever been on Sesame Street has tits, and every woman at the grocery store does, too. Sometimes they're squishing out of the tops of their shirts. It's, like, just there, like people's butts or ankles. They're not even doing anything, save a jiggle here and there. I just don't think it jumps out at our kids like some of us think it does. I truly don't think 99% give a flying fuck.

People are weird.

if they ask about it you do....right? listen, I already said I wasn't offended by the video. I don't think it was that bad of an outfit. Most people have more than one kid so while a 2 or 3 year old may never even notice the boobies, your 7 or 8 year old might....and oh well, like most people said you just explain that women have boobs...not a big deal but my point was, it's sesame st. Probably the ONE show most people feel they can trust to not have things like cleavage that you might have to explain.

I await the day when people get this morally outraged about important shit. I wonder do people cover their kids eyes on the street.

Vendetta1 said:

I await the day when people get this morally outraged about important shit. I wonder do people cover their kids eyes on the street.

TotalANXiousNESS said:

My boyfriend had this on last night.

His exact words were '"Contraversial Katy Perry video pulled from Sesame St".........Gee I wonder why'

I said what, and he played a bit of it for me.

I told him I had no idea what was wrong with it, and he goes look at her outfit.

I said whats wrong with it, she's playing dress up.

Then he went on about her boobs sticking out.

I didn't notice it, and I doubt my kids would either.

Kids don't look at stuff (young children) in a peverted way until it is put into their heads.

My kids see me naked all the time, and naked ppl are not a big deal to them.

Okay, my son at 7 yrs old, is noticing womens bodies now but anyway, I didn't see anything wrong with it. I really don't care. What I don't understand is, didnt the Sesame St ppl MAKE the video???? Shouldn't THEY know whats acceptable or not?

Another point though, is if Katy had a set of DD's it may be a different story......Just the way it is.

I don't think she's got double Ds but she's got D's. they really don't look it in that video but she's got some big bossoms.

Now, THOSE are boobs and cleavage!!!!

If she looked like that on Sesame Street I could understand all the bitchin.

I don't quite get Katy Perry. She seems like she is not a superficial girl, necessarily, but she is selling herself as one, certainly, after watching that California Girls performance on SNL. Dumbing it down for the public consumption?

And what is this West coast BS? She's not Tupac. Honestly, it was kind of dumb when he did it, too.

Timmy84 said:

ThreadBare said:

Shucks, back in the day, I watched for Maria.

I don't know why but I thought Maria looked like my first grade teacher when she was younger.

Congratulations.

Vendetta1 said:

I await the day when people get this morally outraged about important shit. I wonder do people cover their kids eyes on the street.

SHOCKADELICA1 said:

Now, THOSE are boobs and cleavage!!!!

If she looked like that on Sesame Street I could understand all the bitchin.

I don't make a habit of looking at other wonen's boobs, but