Shorty said:

Cerebus said:

Heck yeah! Now it's just The Elmo Show.

I stopped arguing this point on the previous page because I don't think people are getting what I'm saying. Even if a child "notices" boobs it's not the same way an adult would do the same thing. It's innocent, not salacious. Also, when they do notice them it's the parents responsibility to teach them what is appropriate in that regard. But they don't want to do that. They'd rather complain and have them removed than do a little work. I don't have kids so I could be WAAAAY off base here. I just don't see ANYTHING offensive or difficult to discuss about a couple inches of Katy Perry cleavage.

there are enough things kids see today that we do indeed have to discuss or explain to our kids...I don't think it's a crazy thought to think we shouldn't have to explain..yet again, more cleavage on SESAME ST. it's the ONE place you'd think you wouldn't have to think about explaining about such things.

There are very few things that have ever sounded interesting to me about having kids. But explaining the world to them, in detail, is definitely one of them. I don't think there could ever be enough things to discuss or explain to a child. Also, it's not explaining cleavage on Sesame St, that's my point. It's explaining that WOMEN have CLEAVAGE and it's NOT a big deal. Just my two cents, though. Probably another of the many good reasons that I'll never have children.

First of all...WHAT boobs? Cleavage? Chile please!!

Second of all, it's not offensive in the least. Some folks just love to bitch for the sake of bitchin

Cerebus said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Wait....How are video games rated "M" for teenagers 17 and older comparable to this stupid clip on a PBS show specifically created for/targeted towards small children?

Because parents let their kids play them no matter what their age. If not, they let them sit and watch others play. I have a friend who sits and plays online first person shooters for hours. His daughter jumps up and down with glee every time she can tell he shot someone on his giant ass flat screen. She's five. But some Katy Perry cleavage!? Oh no! That's eeeeviiiiil.

Actally, parents who are concerned about what their children are exposed to don't do that, meaning they enforce discretion over what their children can play/see. Just like adult movies, usually children can't obtain M-rated video games or walk in somewhere and start playing them without parental consent, but they can easily go to their home televisions and watch baby/Y-rated Sesame Street without their parents even questioning it.

if you go to YouTube this is their new logo...

Cerebus said:

Shorty said:

there are enough things kids see today that we do indeed have to discuss or explain to our kids...I don't think it's a crazy thought to think we shouldn't have to explain..yet again, more cleavage on SESAME ST. it's the ONE place you'd think you wouldn't have to think about explaining about such things.

There are very few things that have ever sounded interesting to me about having kids. But explaining the world to them, in detail, is definitely one of them. I don't think there could ever be enough things to discuss or explain to a child. Also, it's not explaining cleavage on Sesame St, that's my point. It's explaining that WOMEN have CLEAVAGE and it's NOT a big deal. Just my two cents, though. Probably another of the many good reasons that I'll never have children.

We take every opportunity possible to explain, discuss, elucidate and illuminate every subject that comes up with our kids. I'm sure they get sick of it at times, but when they want to know the definition of a word, or how something works, they come straight to us.

I wish kids can just be kids...

WaterInYourBath said:

Cerebus said:

Because parents let their kids play them no matter what their age. If not, they let them sit and watch others play. I have a friend who sits and plays online first person shooters for hours. His daughter jumps up and down with glee every time she can tell he shot someone on his giant ass flat screen. She's five. But some Katy Perry cleavage!? Oh no! That's eeeeviiiiil.

Actally, parents who are concerned about what their children are exposed to don't do that, meaning they enforce discretion over what their children can play/see. Just like adult movies, usually children can't obtain M-rated video games or walk in somewhere and start playing them without parental consent, but they can easily go to their home televisions and watch baby/Y-rated Sesame Street without their parents even questioning it.

Are you serious here? They most certainly can walk in and start playing them without consent at any number of places. And while in an idealic world ALL parents would only let their kids play/watch age appropriate games, that's not the world we live in. I don't even think it would be fair to say that many of them aren't "concerned". I'm sure they are, but that doesn't mean they stop their kids from viewing every violent image that comes their way. No, just boobs. Because they're evil! Nor was I referring to JUST M-Rated games. Most video games are violent. Most cartoons are violent. A lot of "childrens" shows and movies are FILLED with "cartoon like" violence. Commercials are often violent. IF they watch anything with older children and/or adults, more violence. But cleavage, that's baaaaaad.

CHIC0 said:

if you go to YouTube this is their new logo...

I just saw it a few minutes ago. I wanted to go kick rocks...

Cerebus said:

CHIC0 said:

if you go to YouTube this is their new logo...

I just saw it a few minutes ago. I wanted to go kick rocks...

this shit has gotten way out of hand.

PunkMistress said:

Cerebus said:

There are very few things that have ever sounded interesting to me about having kids. But explaining the world to them, in detail, is definitely one of them. I don't think there could ever be enough things to discuss or explain to a child. Also, it's not explaining cleavage on Sesame St, that's my point. It's explaining that WOMEN have CLEAVAGE and it's NOT a big deal. Just my two cents, though. Probably another of the many good reasons that I'll never have children.

We take every opportunity possible to explain, discuss, elucidate and illuminate every subject that comes up with our kids. I'm sure they get sick of it at times, but when they want to know the definition of a word, or how something works, they come straight to us.

That's how I am with my Nephew, too. I'll talk to him about stuff for so long sometimes that he'll get bored and move on to something else. Which is actually pretty hard to do with a six year old! Sadly, his Mom, Dad, older Sister and Brother don't treat him the same way. His questions are a clear annoyance to them. Bums me out.

Cerebus said:

Shorty said:

there are enough things kids see today that we do indeed have to discuss or explain to our kids...I don't think it's a crazy thought to think we shouldn't have to explain..yet again, more cleavage on SESAME ST. it's the ONE place you'd think you wouldn't have to think about explaining about such things.

There are very few things that have ever sounded interesting to me about having kids. But explaining the world to them, in detail, is definitely one of them. I don't think there could ever be enough things to discuss or explain to a child. Also, it's not explaining cleavage on Sesame St, that's my point. It's explaining that WOMEN have CLEAVAGE and it's NOT a big deal. Just my two cents, though. Probably another of the many good reasons that I'll never have children.

Shorty said:

Cerebus said:

There are very few things that have ever sounded interesting to me about having kids. But explaining the world to them, in detail, is definitely one of them. I don't think there could ever be enough things to discuss or explain to a child. Also, it's not explaining cleavage on Sesame St, that's my point. It's explaining that WOMEN have CLEAVAGE and it's NOT a big deal. Just my two cents, though. Probably another of the many good reasons that I'll never have children.

I totally understand what your saying...but there's already plenty of oppurtunity for me to have to explain that women have cleavage other than on Sesame St.....like the grocery store.

yes, do we have to explain everyting to kids when we watch sesame street? "sometimes daddy likes to hump mommy's boobies...brought to you by the number 69 and the letter X"

Cerebus said:

MoniGram said:

I just didn't care for the outfit, Sesame Street really should have thought ahead. I get everyone else saying her outfit is no big deal, but seriously you have to think ahead and be concerned about the ones who wouldn't like it.

And in this day and age, you would be surprised how many kids DO notice things like that. It's sad but it's reality of the times.

I will agree Elmo did sorta ruin Sesame Street, I miss the days of Cookie Monster & The Count

Heck yeah! Now it's just The Elmo Show.

I stopped arguing this point on the previous page because I don't think people are getting what I'm saying. Even if a child "notices" boobs it's not the same way an adult would do the same thing. It's innocent, not salacious. Also, when they do notice them it's the parents responsibility to teach them what is appropriate in that regard. But they don't want to do that. They'd rather complain and have them removed than do a little work. I don't have kids so I could be WAAAAY off base here. I just don't see ANYTHING offensive or difficult to discuss about a couple inches of Katy Perry cleavage.

Elmo didn't ruin anything and the Cookie Monster and the Count are still on.

People are soooo against change. It's weird to me.

Anytime my son wants to watch the banned Katy Perry/Elmo skit....I will gladly let him watch it on youtube.

Fiyaaaah!

Russel Brand tweeted, "@katyperry today's Sesame Street will NOT be brought to you by the number 34 or the letter D."

Katy Perry tweeted, "Wow, looks like my play date with Elmo has been cut short! If you still wanna play see it at www.katyperry.com Tag you're it, Elmo!"

From The A.V. Club...

Elmo invites Katy Perry's breasts back to Sesame Street

[Edited 9/24/10 14:02pm]

JustErin said:

Cerebus said:

Heck yeah! Now it's just The Elmo Show.

I stopped arguing this point on the previous page because I don't think people are getting what I'm saying. Even if a child "notices" boobs it's not the same way an adult would do the same thing. It's innocent, not salacious. Also, when they do notice them it's the parents responsibility to teach them what is appropriate in that regard. But they don't want to do that. They'd rather complain and have them removed than do a little work. I don't have kids so I could be WAAAAY off base here. I just don't see ANYTHING offensive or difficult to discuss about a couple inches of Katy Perry cleavage.

Elmo didn't ruin anything and the Cookie Monster and the Count are still on.

People are soooo against change. It's weird to me.

Anytime my son wants to watch the banned Katy Perry/Elmo skit....I will gladly let him watch it on youtube.

Did you watch Sesame Street as a kid?

It's unrecognizable now! It's safe to say that it's a completely different show. For example, the Count now has the same exact segment every single day, with only a few details changed. It's all pre-packaged now. It used to have a much more spontaneous feel.

PunkMistress said:

JustErin said:

Elmo didn't ruin anything and the Cookie Monster and the Count are still on.

People are soooo against change. It's weird to me.

Anytime my son wants to watch the banned Katy Perry/Elmo skit....I will gladly let him watch it on youtube.

Did you watch Sesame Street as a kid?

It's unrecognizable now! It's safe to say that it's a completely different show. For example, the Count now has the same exact segment every single day, with only a few details changed. It's all pre-packaged now. It used to have a much more spontaneous feel.

Of course I did!

Shorty said:

Cerebus said:

There are very few things that have ever sounded interesting to me about having kids. But explaining the world to them, in detail, is definitely one of them. I don't think there could ever be enough things to discuss or explain to a child. Also, it's not explaining cleavage on Sesame St, that's my point. It's explaining that WOMEN have CLEAVAGE and it's NOT a big deal. Just my two cents, though. Probably another of the many good reasons that I'll never have children.

I totally understand what your saying...but there's already plenty of oppurtunity for me to have to explain that women have cleavage other than on Sesame St.....like the grocery store.

Maybe I'm dense, but is this really something that needs explaining to kids?

Is it really ever a big deal to kids?

I don't get it. Women have tits. Every woman who's ever been on Sesame Street has tits, and every woman at the grocery store does, too. Sometimes they're squishing out of the tops of their shirts. It's, like, just there, like people's butts or ankles. They're not even doing anything, save a jiggle here and there. I just don't think it jumps out at our kids like some of us think it does. I truly don't think 99% give a flying fuck.

People are weird.

My boyfriend had this on last night.

His exact words were '"Contraversial Katy Perry video pulled from Sesame St".........Gee I wonder why'

I said what, and he played a bit of it for me.

I told him I had no idea what was wrong with it, and he goes look at her outfit.

I said whats wrong with it, she's playing dress up.

Then he went on about her boobs sticking out.

I didn't notice it, and I doubt my kids would either.

Kids don't look at stuff (young children) in a peverted way until it is put into their heads.

My kids see me naked all the time, and naked ppl are not a big deal to them.

Okay, my son at 7 yrs old, is noticing womens bodies now but anyway, I didn't see anything wrong with it. I really don't care. What I don't understand is, didnt the Sesame St ppl MAKE the video???? Shouldn't THEY know whats acceptable or not?

Another point though, is if Katy had a set of DD's it may be a different story......Just the way it is.

PunkMistress said:

Shorty said:

I totally understand what your saying...but there's already plenty of oppurtunity for me to have to explain that women have cleavage other than on Sesame St.....like the grocery store.

Maybe I'm dense, but is this really something that needs explaining to kids?

Is it really ever a big deal to kids?

I don't get it. Women have tits. Every woman who's ever been on Sesame Street has tits, and every woman at the grocery store does, too. Sometimes they're squishing out of the tops of their shirts. It's, like, just there, like people's butts or ankles. They're not even doing anything, save a jiggle here and there. I just don't think it jumps out at our kids like some of us think it does. I truly don't think 99% give a flying fuck.

People are weird.

Some people can not think of certain body parts in any way but sexual. Kids don't....they are taught to look at them that way.

It's like we are teaching our kids to be ashamed of our bodies. Well, I refuse to do that.

My son watched it and is not damaged, he didn't even laugh at the thought of seeing cleavage because he was not taught to. It's not funny, it's not embarrassing and it's certainly not shameful.

JustErin said:

PunkMistress said:

Maybe I'm dense, but is this really something that needs explaining to kids?

Is it really ever a big deal to kids?

I don't get it. Women have tits. Every woman who's ever been on Sesame Street has tits, and every woman at the grocery store does, too. Sometimes they're squishing out of the tops of their shirts. It's, like, just there, like people's butts or ankles. They're not even doing anything, save a jiggle here and there. I just don't think it jumps out at our kids like some of us think it does. I truly don't think 99% give a flying fuck.

People are weird.

Some people can not think of certain body parts in any way but sexual. Kids don't....they are taught to look at them that way.

It's like we are teaching our kids to be ashamed of our bodies. Well, I refuse to do that.

My son watched it and is not damaged, he didn't even laugh at the thought of seeing cleavage because he was not taught to. It's not funny, it's not embarrassing and it's certainly not shameful.

:likebutton:

JustErin said:

PunkMistress said:

Maybe I'm dense, but is this really something that needs explaining to kids?

Is it really ever a big deal to kids?

I don't get it. Women have tits. Every woman who's ever been on Sesame Street has tits, and every woman at the grocery store does, too. Sometimes they're squishing out of the tops of their shirts. It's, like, just there, like people's butts or ankles. They're not even doing anything, save a jiggle here and there. I just don't think it jumps out at our kids like some of us think it does. I truly don't think 99% give a flying fuck.

People are weird.

Some people can not think of certain body parts in any way but sexual. Kids don't....they are taught to look at them that way.

It's like we are teaching our kids to be ashamed of our bodies. Well, I refuse to do that.

My son watched it and is not damaged, he didn't even laugh at the thought of seeing cleavage because he was not taught to. It's not funny, it's not embarrassing and it's certainly not shameful.

Maybe Canadians aren't so uptight about people's bodies, but here in the USA we have had a long history of right wing so-called Christian organizations who raise a massive ruckus anytime someone shows something even remotely suggestive and calls women who wear tight or revealing clothing a bunch of whores, yet these same organizations are huge supporters of the death penalty and are the first ones to suggest going to war against Muslims, North Korea, or any other country whose politics they disagree with. This hypocirsy really pisses me off.

728huey said:

JustErin said:

Some people can not think of certain body parts in any way but sexual. Kids don't....they are taught to look at them that way.

It's like we are teaching our kids to be ashamed of our bodies. Well, I refuse to do that.

My son watched it and is not damaged, he didn't even laugh at the thought of seeing cleavage because he was not taught to. It's not funny, it's not embarrassing and it's certainly not shameful.

Maybe Canadians aren't so uptight about people's bodies, but here in the USA we have had a long history of right wing so-called Christian organizations who raise a massive ruckus anytime someone shows something even remotely suggestive and calls women who wear tight or revealing clothing a bunch of whores, yet these same organizations are huge supporters of the death penalty and are the first ones to suggest going to war against Muslims, North Korea, or any other country whose politics they disagree with. This hypocirsy really pisses me off.

Don't forget how often their prominent married leaders get caught fucking boys and girls who are not their wives. ALL. THE. TIME.

Cerebus said:

MoniGram said:

I just didn't care for the outfit, Sesame Street really should have thought ahead. I get everyone else saying her outfit is no big deal, but seriously you have to think ahead and be concerned about the ones who wouldn't like it.

And in this day and age, you would be surprised how many kids DO notice things like that. It's sad but it's reality of the times.

I will agree Elmo did sorta ruin Sesame Street, I miss the days of Cookie Monster & The Count

Heck yeah! Now it's just The Elmo Show.

I stopped arguing this point on the previous page because I don't think people are getting what I'm saying. Even if a child "notices" boobs it's not the same way an adult would do the same thing. It's innocent, not salacious. Also, when they do notice them it's the parents responsibility to teach them what is appropriate in that regard. But they don't want to do that. They'd rather complain and have them removed than do a little work. I don't have kids so I could be WAAAAY off base here. I just don't see ANYTHING offensive or difficult to discuss about a couple inches of Katy Perry cleavage.

No it's not just Elmo. It's this stupid fairy that my son loves unfortunately:

I do like Murray though. I let my son watch the Katy Perry video yesterday and he laughed and squealed at it. He couldn't care less about boobies.

[Edited 9/24/10 15:52pm]

Sesame Street is a "brand" that parents have trusted for over 40 years. To even, in any way, tarnish it with a stupid Katey Perry video is not even worth it.

Cerebus said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Actally, parents who are concerned about what their children are exposed to don't do that, meaning they enforce discretion over what their children can play/see. Just like adult movies, usually children can't obtain M-rated video games or walk in somewhere and start playing them without parental consent, but they can easily go to their home televisions and watch baby/Y-rated Sesame Street without their parents even questioning it.

Are you serious here? They most certainly can walk in and start playing them without consent at any number of places. And while in an idealic world ALL parents would only let their kids play/watch age appropriate games, that's not the world we live in. I don't even think it would be fair to say that many of them aren't "concerned". I'm sure they are, but that doesn't mean they stop their kids from viewing every violent image that comes their way. No, just boobs. Because they're evil! Nor was I referring to JUST M-Rated games. Most video games are violent. Most cartoons are violent. A lot of "childrens" shows and movies are FILLED with "cartoon like" violence. Commercials are often violent. IF they watch anything with older children and/or adults, more violence. But cleavage, that's baaaaaad.

Where? If the parents don't purchase any innappropiate games, or any video game consoles period, a child won't play them at home. If the parents are aware of where the child is at all times, the child won't be allowed to play/watch them anywhere else either (like at stores or other people's houses). So what number of places can little children just start playing violent video games if the parents have control, lol?

And I stated M-rated games because "war games" and "Mafia" were named by the person who originally tried to compare video games to this. Those games contain hardcore scenes and are not created for young children, UNLIKE PBS shows. That is why I still say a baby show like Sesame Street, where there has never been any reason to stop a child from viewing it (until this Katy Perry crap, lol), is anything like games, cartoons, etc that have warnings for parents that inform them "Parental Discretion is Advised." Ever seen that label on Kids' PBS? I haven't.

PunkMistress said:

JustErin said:

Elmo didn't ruin anything and the Cookie Monster and the Count are still on.

People are soooo against change. It's weird to me.

Anytime my son wants to watch the banned Katy Perry/Elmo skit....I will gladly let him watch it on youtube.

Did you watch Sesame Street as a kid?

It's unrecognizable now! It's safe to say that it's a completely different show. For example, the Count now has the same exact segment every single day, with only a few details changed. It's all pre-packaged now. It used to have a much more spontaneous feel.

And last I heard they're making or tried to make Cookie Monster be Vegetable Monster. When I read that somewhere, I was like "what kind of bullshit is that?"

Whats that story I heard about Bert or Ernie, I thinkit was Bert, dying on Sesame St of a drug overdose??? Is that true? I never saw it, just heard it.

And what about Mr Rogers?

Is it true that he was a convicted child molester?

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Whats that story I heard about Bert or Ernie, I thinkit was Bert, dying on Sesame St of a drug overdose??? Is that true? I never saw it, just heard it.

And what about Mr Rogers?

Is it true that he was a convicted child molester?

No that wasn't true and no Mr. Rogers wasn't a convicted child molester. I remember they actually had that as a rumor, that and he was some kind of Army veteran or something.

MoniGram said:

I just didn't care for the outfit, Sesame Street really should have thought ahead. I get everyone else saying her outfit is no big deal, but seriously you have to think ahead and be concerned about the ones who wouldn't like it.

And in this day and age, you would be surprised how many kids DO notice things like that. It's sad but it's reality of the times.

I will agree Elmo did sorta ruin Sesame Street, I miss the days of Cookie Monster & The Count

I didn't have any issues over the Katy Perry Skit, but I miss the classic Sesame Street episodes where we learned to count in English and Spanish and got memory tests.