vainandy said:

A particular bastard that always spoils it by talking.

possible comments made by said "particular bastard":

you want to get something to eat?

tell me you like it

can we do that thing we did last time?

I'm not going to be ignorrrreeeddd Andy

you're just a selfish bastard.....call me

you're going to call me right?

DesireeNevermind said:

What's been on your mind? What's had you stressed? What's the latest negative to your positive?

I'll start:

Genetically altered salmon. I can't bare any more stories about hormones designed to make food grow bigger faster. It's not natural and bound to have negative effects on our own species.

"Genetic altering" has been going on since the dawn of agriculture.

It used to be called "hybrids."

PunkMistress said:

DesireeNevermind said:

What's been on your mind? What's had you stressed? What's the latest negative to your positive?

I'll start:

Genetically altered salmon. I can't bare any more stories about hormones designed to make food grow bigger faster. It's not natural and bound to have negative effects on our own species.

"Genetic altering" has been going on since the dawn of agriculture.

It used to be called "hybrids."

True, hybrid fruits and vegetables are plentiful and people seem to find them fascinating. It's gone much further than that, though. People have stopped questioning things like perfectly uniform, non-bruising tomatoes. But as soon as you start messing around with meat people start freaking out. Some sort of weird, irrational cloning fears, I guess.

Cerebus said:

PunkMistress said:

"Genetic altering" has been going on since the dawn of agriculture.

It used to be called "hybrids."

True, hybrid fruits and vegetables are plentiful and people seem to find them fascinating. It's gone much further than that, though. People have stopped questioning things like perfectly uniform, non-bruising tomatoes. But as soon as you start messing around with meat people start freaking out. Some sort of weird, irrational cloning fears, I guess.

but they're injecting hormones into an animal to alter it's natural growth cycle. that's different than merging an orange with a tangerine. what are these hormones and where are they coming from? what if we get mad salmon disease?

it could happen.

My life in general. I've been doing so many things wrong in my life and when I look at it and realize how much I work have to do to be better I just want to crawl into a hole and die.

PurpleRighteous1 said:

My life in general. I've been doing so many things wrong in my life and when I look at it and realize how much I work have to do to be better I just want to crawl into a hole and die.

Been there. Not too long ago.

It does get better.

PurpleRighteous1 said:

My life in general. I've been doing so many things wrong in my life and when I look at it and realize how much I work have to do to be better I just want to crawl into a hole and die.

You're on your way to bettering yourself. You just graduated last year. Hang in there hon.

chocolate1 said:

PurpleRighteous1 said:

My life in general. I've been doing so many things wrong in my life and when I look at it and realize how much I work have to do to be better I just want to crawl into a hole and die.

Been there. Not too long ago.

It does get better.

I know but I've reeeeeeally been procrastinating. That's where most of my frustration lies. I can't figure out why I don't seem to want success more than I want the immediate pleasure of putting off the work. And every time it bites me in the butt I get in a funk. Hopefully I'll get it together for real someday soon.

Typhoon Tip said on facebook his hovercraft is full of eels. I'd say that would be pretty annoying!

My annoyance is kids being sick on school holidays and missing swimming lessons I already paid for

Cerebus said:

PunkMistress said:

"Genetic altering" has been going on since the dawn of agriculture.

It used to be called "hybrids."

True, hybrid fruits and vegetables are plentiful and people seem to find them fascinating. It's gone much further than that, though. People have stopped questioning things like perfectly uniform, non-bruising tomatoes. But as soon as you start messing around with meat people start freaking out. Some sort of weird, irrational cloning fears, I guess.

It's fear and hysteria.

Understandable fear and hysteria, because "messing with Mother Nature" goes against all our sensibilities. This is probably even more true for those of us who are religious. But once you do some research and learn that all the reliable science we can throw at GM food shows absolutely no risk of harm, you relax. I hope.

It's like vaccines and autism. It's easy for lots of folks to get caught up in the hysteria, especially if you aren't exposed to the facts. "OMG they NEVER used to give so many vaccines and kids NEVER had so much autism!!!111 " People's gut fears can be really powerful.

PunkMistress said:

Cerebus said:

True, hybrid fruits and vegetables are plentiful and people seem to find them fascinating. It's gone much further than that, though. People have stopped questioning things like perfectly uniform, non-bruising tomatoes. But as soon as you start messing around with meat people start freaking out. Some sort of weird, irrational cloning fears, I guess.

It's fear and hysteria.

Understandable fear and hysteria, because "messing with Mother Nature" goes against all our sensibilities. This is probably even more true for those of us who are religious. But once you do some research and learn that all the reliable science we can throw at GM food shows absolutely no risk of harm, you relax. I hope.

It's like vaccines and autism. It's easy for lots of folks to get caught up in the hysteria, especially if you aren't exposed to the facts. "OMG they NEVER used to give so many vaccines and kids NEVER had so much autism!!!111 " People's gut fears can be really powerful.

I just imagined someone saying "It's okay though, my son only has a little autism"

PunkMistress said:

Cerebus said:

True, hybrid fruits and vegetables are plentiful and people seem to find them fascinating. It's gone much further than that, though. People have stopped questioning things like perfectly uniform, non-bruising tomatoes. But as soon as you start messing around with meat people start freaking out. Some sort of weird, irrational cloning fears, I guess.

It's fear and hysteria.

Understandable fear and hysteria, because "messing with Mother Nature" goes against all our sensibilities. This is probably even more true for those of us who are religious. But once you do some research and learn that all the reliable science we can throw at GM food shows absolutely no risk of harm, you relax. I hope.

It's like vaccines and autism. It's easy for lots of folks to get caught up in the hysteria, especially if you aren't exposed to the facts. "OMG they NEVER used to give so many vaccines and kids NEVER had so much autism!!!111 " People's gut fears can be really powerful.

I believe there is a link between over-immunization and autism. I also believe there is a link between fast food and obesity. And cell phones and brain cancer. Cows shouldn't eat other cows. Pesticides can result in free radicals in our bodies.

you guys aren't looking down the road.

We are getting more and more unhealthy. Pretty soon we'll all need prescription meds just to stay alive. There's a conspiracy I tell ya.

I'm bugged by the fact that people are too trusting of the FDA.

DesireeNevermind said:

PunkMistress said:

It's fear and hysteria.

Understandable fear and hysteria, because "messing with Mother Nature" goes against all our sensibilities. This is probably even more true for those of us who are religious. But once you do some research and learn that all the reliable science we can throw at GM food shows absolutely no risk of harm, you relax. I hope.

It's like vaccines and autism. It's easy for lots of folks to get caught up in the hysteria, especially if you aren't exposed to the facts. "OMG they NEVER used to give so many vaccines and kids NEVER had so much autism!!!111 " People's gut fears can be really powerful.

I believe there is a link between over-immunization and autism. I also believe there is a link between fast food and obesity. And cell phones and brain cancer. Cows shouldn't eat other cows. Pesticides can result in free radicals in our bodies.

you guys aren't looking down the road.

We are getting more and more unhealthy. Pretty soon we'll all need prescription meds just to stay alive. There's a conspiracy I tell ya.

I'm bugged by the fact that people are too trusting of the FDA.

I'm bugged by the fact that you're forming beliefs based on feelings and fears instead of facts.

Fuck an FDA, I trust SCIENCE.

BklynBabe said:

just generally depressed....and sick of my own BS!

I feel so unmotivated and uninspired in my life these days, and it's not getting any better. I wish I could see the positives but I can't.

I need to figure out what it is I want so I could be that strong determined person I used to be, but right now I feel like I can't get what I want, and I feel like when I do people just shut me down and reject me.

and talk about you behind your back....but it all good, they love ya.

PunkMistress said:

DesireeNevermind said:

I believe there is a link between over-immunization and autism. I also believe there is a link between fast food and obesity. And cell phones and brain cancer. Cows shouldn't eat other cows. Pesticides can result in free radicals in our bodies.

you guys aren't looking down the road.

We are getting more and more unhealthy. Pretty soon we'll all need prescription meds just to stay alive. There's a conspiracy I tell ya.

I'm bugged by the fact that people are too trusting of the FDA.

I'm bugged by the fact that you're forming beliefs based on feelings and fears instead of facts.

Fuck an FDA, I trust SCIENCE.

Not a fan of research studies and medical journals eh?

Sister Wives- this new TLC reality show where dude is coming out of the closet about being a polygamist. WTH? and you get paid for a tv show? I wanna make some dollars- what can I come out about?

DesireeNevermind said:

PunkMistress said:

It's fear and hysteria.

Understandable fear and hysteria, because "messing with Mother Nature" goes against all our sensibilities. This is probably even more true for those of us who are religious. But once you do some research and learn that all the reliable science we can throw at GM food shows absolutely no risk of harm, you relax. I hope.

It's like vaccines and autism. It's easy for lots of folks to get caught up in the hysteria, especially if you aren't exposed to the facts. "OMG they NEVER used to give so many vaccines and kids NEVER had so much autism!!!111 " People's gut fears can be really powerful.

I believe there is a link between over-immunization and autism. I ao believe there is a link between fast food and obesity. And cell phones and brain cancer. Cows shouldn't eat other cows. Pesticides can result in free radicals in our bodies.

ls

you guys aren't looking down the road.

We are getting more and more unhealthy. Pretty soon we'll all need prescription meds just to stay alive. There's a conspiracy I tell ya.

I'm bugged by the fact that people are too trusting of the FDA.

The FDA eats the food the FDA approves. The FDA, even with all it's failings, does far more good for us that like agencies (or lack thereof) in other parts of the world.

I agree with you regarding animals being given feed containing animal byproducts. And that goes for all animals. They shouldn't be given anything other than what they would have naturally eaten before we started farming them for food. However, they don't roam the countryside eating whatever they can find anymore BECAUSE we started raising them for food. Since that's the case, they need to be given vitamins and hormones so they don't get diseased from standing around with a bunch of their kind in small, dung filled spaces. I can't really get too much into this one. I grew up in the cattle industry and it's just all kinds of broken. The worlds reliance on meat products being conveniently available for a reasonable price whenever they want them is actually causing our planet a great deal of harm on many different levels. Just know that if major changes are made in this regard it will collapse entire worldwide food distribution systems and greatly damage many economies. Like many of our other current problems, we've dug our own grave in this regard. I'm a vegetarian, anyway.

In regards to the fish in particular, it doesn't bother me. We're killing our oceans and large bodies of water so fast that they'll never be fully repaired. Doing further damage, fish species from all over the planet have been released into waters where they don't belong. If they can figure out a way to farm fish to full size quickly and safely I'm all for it. But I'm not against genetic engineering of any kind, including that involving human beings. In the end, when people start being saved from inevitable death by discoveries made in this manner, very few of them will be against it.

I don't know about immunizations because I don't have children and I don't get them myself. Nor do I ingest pills of any kind if I can avoid it. I've used antibiotics twice in my adult life.

Of course there is a link between fast food and obesity. But that link is centered largely around the fact that a lot of families eat it multiple times a week and don't do any kind of exercising. It's not JUST fast food that causes the problem. If you live a healthy lifestyle and eat fast food a couple times a month you're probably doing OK.

Pretty sure they've proven there is no direct link between moderate cell phone use and brain cancer. People used to think microwaves caused cancer, too.

Pesitcides are evil, for sure. Many of them have been proven to be harmful YEARS after they've been approved for use. But again, we've created the world we live in and if we don't want it to completely collapse pesticides are sometimes a necessary evil.

I don't believe in conspiracies. Period. Government agencies sometimes do dirt. But so do your neighbors. People keep secrets. Sometimes those secrets become public. It doesn't mean there's any kind of organized conspiracy behind what's happening.

[Edited 9/21/10 17:05pm]

Evvy said:

Sister Wives- this new TLC reality show where dude is coming out of the closet about being a polygamist. WTH? and you get paid for a tv show? I wanna make some dollars- what can I come out about?

wait...what? an actual show about real life polygamists? how do they not get caught by the law or shunned by their church?

another thing that bugs me. how any woman with half a brain could fall for the old line "god wanted me to have a lot of wives but he didn't want you to have a lot of husbands. plus he wanted us to all live in secret and you still have to work or either collect welfare for the brats I sire."

DesireeNevermind said:

PunkMistress said:

I'm bugged by the fact that you're forming beliefs based on feelings and fears instead of facts.

Fuck an FDA, I trust SCIENCE.

Not a fan of research studies and medical journals eh?

Please give me a link to a reputable medical journal article that in any way supports a link between vaccines and autism.

I'm with you on fast food - obesity, pesticides in our diet - illness, and vegetarian animals being fed meat - bad.

But the autism-vaccine link simply does not exist. Neither does GM food-mutant atrocity.

PunkMistress said:

Neither does GM food-mutant atrocity.

Cerebus said:

I can't decide which Looney Tunes to put on a single disc for someone.

Water Water Every Hare.

Duh.

DesireeNevermind said:

Cerebus said:

True, hybrid fruits and vegetables are plentiful and people seem to find them fascinating. It's gone much further than that, though. People have stopped questioning things like perfectly uniform, non-bruising tomatoes. But as soon as you start messing around with meat people start freaking out. Some sort of weird, irrational cloning fears, I guess.

but they're injecting hormones into an animal to alter it's natural growth cycle. that's different than merging an orange with a tangerine. what are these hormones and where are they coming from? what if we get mad salmon disease?

it could happen.

That is not what they're doing. Salmon only grow in the spring and summer. They are putting a gene into them (from another kind of fish) that allows them to grow year 'round.

The fish are not being injected with hormones.

[Edited 9/21/10 17:14pm]

DesireeNevermind said:

Evvy said:

Sister Wives- this new TLC reality show where dude is coming out of the closet about being a polygamist. WTH? and you get paid for a tv show? I wanna make some dollars- what can I come out about?

wait...what? an actual show about real life polygamists? how do they not get caught by the law or shunned by their church?

another thing that bugs me. how any woman with half a brain could fall for the old line "god wanted me to have a lot of wives but he didn't want you to have a lot of husbands. plus he wanted us to all live in secret and you still have to work or either collect welfare for the brats I sire."

and the kicker is that his reason for "coming out" was that he was tired of explaining why 2 of his 13 kids were 4 days apart....

but really I must confess - the REAL thing thats bugging me about it is that I really want to see it

Genesia said:

Cerebus said:

I can't decide which Looney Tunes to put on a single disc for someone.

Water Water Every Hare.

Duh.

I ripped all 24 discs of the Looney Tunes Golden Collection sets and now I'm trying to figure out what to put on just one disc. That's not as bad as it sounds really, because I can put a lot more than one of those discs on the one I'm going to burn. But I've already sorted out a bunch of files and then deleted them THREE TIMES! I may just have to burn two discs.

Anyway, Water Water Every Hare is chapter eight on disc one of the first set and it will DEFINITELY be on whatever combination I end up burning. It's one of about twenty shorts that I'm sure on. After that I just get all out of control with "oh that's a good one!", or "I bet they haven't seen this one a million times", or "this one is just so underrated, I'd better include it, too".

Cerebus said:

Genesia said:

Water Water Every Hare.

Duh.

I ripped all 24 discs of the Looney Tunes Golden Collection sets and now I'm trying to figure out what to put on just one disc. That's not as bad as it sounds really, because I can put a lot more than one of those discs on the one I'm going to burn. But I've already sorted out a bunch of files and then deleted them THREE TIMES! I may just have to burn two discs.

Anyway, Water Water Every Hare is chapter eight on disc one of the first set and it will DEFINITELY be on whatever combination I end up burning. It's one of about twenty shorts that I'm sure on. After that I just get all out of control with "oh that's a good one!", or "I bet they haven't seen this one a million times", or "this one is just so underrated, I'd better include it, too".

The Christopher Columbus one is good, too.

What a maroon! What an ignoranimus!

Also...whichever one has...

PunkMistress said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Not a fan of research studies and medical journals eh?

Please give me a link to a reputable medical journal article that in any way supports a link between vaccines and autism.

I'm with you on fast food - obesity, pesticides in our diet - illness, and vegetarian animals being fed meat - bad.

But the autism-vaccine link simply does not exist. Neither does GM food-mutant atrocity.

That was to your original post where you just said "fuck FDA" and trust science. I'm glad you provided an additional post with some clarification and we agree about fast food and the rest.

here's some quick links . I love reading health-related studies.

http://ezinearticles.com/...;id=734288

http://www.sciencedaily.c...152135.htm

this one is about cell phones and cancer. it's interesting because there have been reports about cell phones and tumors but the jury is still split on whether those tumors become cancerous.

http://www.time.com/time/...40,00.html

We go back and forth about vaccines and autism. I personally think it is way too early to rule out that vaccines don't at least contribute to autism.

http://chattahbox.com/hea...e-back-up/

Genesia said:

Cerebus said:

I ripped all 24 discs of the Looney Tunes Golden Collection sets and now I'm trying to figure out what to put on just one disc. That's not as bad as it sounds really, because I can put a lot more than one of those discs on the one I'm going to burn. But I've already sorted out a bunch of files and then deleted them THREE TIMES! I may just have to burn two discs.

Anyway, Water Water Every Hare is chapter eight on disc one of the first set and it will DEFINITELY be on whatever combination I end up burning. It's one of about twenty shorts that I'm sure on. After that I just get all out of control with "oh that's a good one!", or "I bet they haven't seen this one a million times", or "this one is just so underrated, I'd better include it, too".

The Christopher Columbus one is good, too.

What a maroon! What an ignoranimus!

Also...whichever one has...

Ha! "Bugging" you...

Cerebus said:

Genesia said:

Water Water Every Hare.

Duh.

I ripped all 24 discs of the Looney Tunes Golden Collection sets and now I'm trying to figure out what to put on just one disc. That's not as bad as it sounds really, because I can put a lot more than one of those discs on the one I'm going to burn. But I've already sorted out a bunch of files and then deleted them THREE TIMES! I may just have to burn two discs.

Anyway, Water Water Every Hare is chapter eight on disc one of the first set and it will DEFINITELY be on whatever combination I end up burning. It's one of about twenty shorts that I'm sure on. After that I just get all out of control with "oh that's a good one!", or "I bet they haven't seen this one a million times", or "this one is just so underrated, I'd better include it, too".

This sounds exactly like me when I used to put together Prince mixes for people who asked me for an intro to his lesser-known music.

PunkMistress said:

Cerebus said:

I ripped all 24 discs of the Looney Tunes Golden Collection sets and now I'm trying to figure out what to put on just one disc. That's not as bad as it sounds really, because I can put a lot more than one of those discs on the one I'm going to burn. But I've already sorted out a bunch of files and then deleted them THREE TIMES! I may just have to burn two discs.

Anyway, Water Water Every Hare is chapter eight on disc one of the first set and it will DEFINITELY be on whatever combination I end up burning. It's one of about twenty shorts that I'm sure on. After that I just get all out of control with "oh that's a good one!", or "I bet they haven't seen this one a million times", or "this one is just so underrated, I'd better include it, too".

This sounds exactly like me when I used to put together Prince mixes for people who asked me for an intro to his lesser-known music.

I'm doing that right now for a couple members of my cast. I'm having a devil of a time.

DesireeNevermind said:

PunkMistress said:

Please give me a link to a reputable medical journal article that in any way supports a link between vaccines and autism.

I'm with you on fast food - obesity, pesticides in our diet - illness, and vegetarian animals being fed meat - bad.

But the autism-vaccine link simply does not exist. Neither does GM food-mutant atrocity.

That was to your original post where you just said "fuck FDA" and trust science. I'm glad you provided an additional post with some clarification and we agree about fast food and the rest.

here's some quick links . I love reading health-related studies.

http://ezinearticles.com/...;id=734288

http://www.sciencedaily.c...152135.htm

this one is about cell phones and cancer. it's interesting because there have been reports about cell phones and tumors but the jury is still split on whether those tumors become cancerous.

http://www.time.com/time/...40,00.html

We go back and forth about vaccines and autism. I personally think it is way too early to rule out that vaccines don't at least contribute to autism.

http://chattahbox.com/hea...e-back-up/

DesireeNevermind.

Are you fucking kidding me.

You make me laugh all the time and I really enjoy your posts.

But I asked you for links to reputable studies.

This is a direct quote from the first link you posted:

Many doctors and experts are concern about obesity in today, with the rise in obesity they start to question and study whether fast food can cause obesity. There are many facts show that eating too many fast food meal per weeks will cause obesity. Some of the facts are:

- Obesity rates is increase every year

- Many people choosing fast food as their primary food

- Cheap and convenient, fast food restaurants everywhere

- A lot of fast food advertisements

Obesity rates is increase every year??!!??!!