Graycap23 said:

RodeoSchro said:

He was ineligible to play. He should not have been out there at all.

It's pretty much the same as a 21-year-old guy saying he's only 17, playing high school football, and winning all-state awards.

Sure he "earned" that because he was better than everyone out there, but he wasn't supposed to be out there in the first place.

Bush's example is a little different because what he did doesn't relate to a performance advantage, so I get that. But a rule is a rule and if you break them, then you suffer the consequences.

That's why Vernon Maxwell's stats aren't in the FSU record book.

let me say it again.......I'd say about 1/3 of NACC Div 1 players are not truely eligible.

You're talking about not being academically eligible, aren't you?

RodeoSchro said:

Graycap23 said:

let me say it again.......I'd say about 1/3 of NACC Div 1 players are not truely eligible.

You're talking about not being academically eligible, aren't you?

Academic or otherwise. Most of these cats are taking money. Haven't u heard of the $1,000 handshake?

SCNDLS said:

namepeace said:

Nope.

This is all about "eligibility." Not "leadership" or "GPAs." He cheated on his own accord, so whatever he did on the field means nothing. And it's his own fault. You're telling me that if he juiced, you'd feel differently, but he took a half million dollars on top of state scholarship money and got caught and THAT's okay? Negative.

Don't blame the NCAA, USC or Carroll for what Bush and his family did. They were rewarded for their efforts, and this is the price to pay. Whatever the fault of the other players in the game, these folk chose to break the rules on their own.

Remember it all you want, but it means as much as watching "Reggie Bush" on a video game.

Nada.

I'm still waiting for a satisfactory explanation for why USC gets to keep their wins and titles despite looking the other way. I totally agree that Reggie should pay the price but he's not the only one with grubby paws in this scenario. Hopefully they'll lose their appeal.

[Edited 9/8/10 9:20am]

And what about Pete Carroll. You think he didn't see the tidal wave coming and

got the hell out of dodge.

Graycap23 said:

SCNDLS said:

How, through fines?

They should pay back every cent they made of TV money, bowl money, etc.....

For real if they are trying to play holier than thou.

phunkdaddy said:

SCNDLS said:

I'm still waiting for a satisfactory explanation for why USC gets to keep their wins and titles despite looking the other way. I totally agree that Reggie should pay the price but he's not the only one with grubby paws in this scenario. Hopefully they'll lose their appeal.

[Edited 9/8/10 9:20am]

And what about Pete Carroll. You think he didn't see the tidal wave coming and

got the hell out of dodge.

Fa sho! Did you see his interview on Bryant Gumbel's show??? He hemmed and hawwwed so damn bad it was ridiculous. He admitted to noticing Reggie's new ride and teasing him about it. You trynna tell me that as the coach of the #1 program it didn't look odd that this kid (and star player) whose financial situation you are totally familiar with is suddently rolling phat??? At least odd enough to look into??? Bitch, please.

SCNDLS said:

namepeace said:

Nope.

This is all about "eligibility." Not "leadership" or "GPAs." He cheated on his own accord, so whatever he did on the field means nothing. And it's his own fault. You're telling me that if he juiced, you'd feel differently, but he took a half million dollars on top of state scholarship money and got caught and THAT's okay? Negative.

Don't blame the NCAA, USC or Carroll for what Bush and his family did. They were rewarded for their efforts, and this is the price to pay. Whatever the fault of the other players in the game, these folk chose to break the rules on their own.

Remember it all you want, but it means as much as watching "Reggie Bush" on a video game.

Nada.

I'm still waiting for a satisfactory explanation for why USC gets to keep their wins and titles despite looking the other way. I totally agree that Reggie should pay the price but he's not the only one with grubby paws in this scenario. Hopefully they'll lose their appeal.

[Edited 9/8/10 9:20am]

All of them should get what's coming to them.

namepeace said:

SCNDLS said:

I'm still waiting for a satisfactory explanation for why USC gets to keep their wins and titles despite looking the other way. I totally agree that Reggie should pay the price but he's not the only one with grubby paws in this scenario. Hopefully they'll lose their appeal.

[Edited 9/8/10 9:20am]

All of them should get what's coming to them.

Absolutely! And Vince Young should get the Heisman, fuck this vacant shit. They do it for Miss America, they should do it here too.

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:

let me say it again.......I'd say about 1/3 of NACC Div 1 players are not truely eligible.

Based on what? Even IF that's true it's still not an excuse to give a pass to one of the biggest stars in the game, at the time, who KNOWINGLY accepted almost a million dollars for himself and his parents. 1/3 of Division players are NOT doing that.

Look at some of these players from mediocre football programs like North Carolina

and South Carolina who are under scrutiny. UNC had 9 starters and an additional

7 players miss Saturday's college football game against LSU because of what they

may have or may not done at a party thrown by an agent in Florida. The other

USC(East)played last Thursday's game without perhaps their best player on offense

TE Wesley Saunders and a few others who were held out because of questions of

staying at an upscale hotel for practically free. God knows what else went down. The NCAA

also suspended Alabama's top DE because of that party thrown in Florida by an agent.

There are a lot of players in college football receiving shit under the table. You just don't

hear about it. In Bush's case he was just the high profile player playing at the mecca

school in college football. Was he wrong? Yes, but don't think for one minute this

crap ain't happening at other schools.

Graycap23 said:

namepeace said:

Few if any of them get anything CLOSE to what Bush did.

That is why he EARNED it on the field of play.

Cap.

Come on, now.

He didn't earn anything from Floyd Flake.

He was given this stuff on the side in exchange for promised signings and endorsements once he got to the pros.

And he took it in violation of NCAA rules.

Surely you're not saying his (now meaningless) exploits on the field justify him breaking the rules off the field.

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

That is why he EARNED it on the field of play.

Cap.

Come on, now.

He didn't earn anything from Floyd Flake.

He was given this stuff on the side in exchange for promised signings and endorsements once he got to the pros.

And he took it in violation of NCAA rules.

Surely you're not saying his (now meaningless) exploits on the field justify him breaking the rules off the field.

Of course I'm not saying that......but the reality is, if they busted every guy doing dirt in the corrupt NCAA.....no one would be playing.

phunkdaddy said:

SCNDLS said:

Based on what? Even IF that's true it's still not an excuse to give a pass to one of the biggest stars in the game, at the time, who KNOWINGLY accepted almost a million dollars for himself and his parents. 1/3 of Division players are NOT doing that.

Look at some of these players from mediocre football programs like North Carolina

and South Carolina who are under scrutiny. UNC had 9 starters and an additional

7 players miss Saturday's college football game against LSU because of what they

may have or may not done at a party thrown by an agent in Florida. The other

USC(East)played last Thursday's game without perhaps their best player on offense

TE Wesley Saunders and a few others who were held out because of questions of

staying at an upscale hotel for practically free. God knows what else went down. The NCAA

also suspended Alabama's top DE because of that party thrown in Florida by an agent.

There are a lot of players in college football receiving shit under the table. You just don't

hear about it. In Bush's case he was just the high profile player playing at the mecca

school in college football. Was he wrong? Yes, but don't think for one minute this

crap ain't happening at other schools.

But you're making S's (and my) points for us.

A lot of players take plane rides, cars, jobs, VIP access to parties, and even a little money.

Bush took at least a half a million dollars in assets.

Whatever else went down in the UNC and SoCar situations combined are likely not over 1/10 of the value of what Bush did.

That's why this is such a big deal.

phunkdaddy said:

SCNDLS said:

Based on what? Even IF that's true it's still not an excuse to give a pass to one of the biggest stars in the game, at the time, who KNOWINGLY accepted almost a million dollars for himself and his parents. 1/3 of Division players are NOT doing that.

Look at some of these players from mediocre football programs like North Carolina

and South Carolina who are under scrutiny. UNC had 9 starters and an additional

7 players miss Saturday's college football game against LSU because of what they

may have or may not done at a party thrown by an agent in Florida. The other

USC(East)played last Thursday's game without perhaps their best player on offense

TE Wesley Saunders and a few others who were held out because of questions of

staying at an upscale hotel for practically free. God knows what else went down. The NCAA

also suspended Alabama's top DE because of that party thrown in Florida by an agent.

There are a lot of players in college football receiving shit under the table. You just don't

hear about it. In Bush's case he was just the high profile player playing at the mecca

school in college football. Was he wrong? Yes, but don't think for one minute this

crap ain't happening at other schools.

I acknowledged in my second post that it certainly happens, frequently. Go after them too or change the rules. The fact that we ARE hearing about it so much NOW and the college football season is barely starting shows that this Reggie Bush situation is changing how the NCAA pursues these infractions. I can't recall hearing of so many suspensions in an entire season, much less, so early in the year.

Regardless, one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. We're talking about THIS case where the Heisman winner, who won two national titles, while ineligible because he accepted almost $1 million in improper benefits and agreed to sign with an agent when he ain't supposed to have ANY contact with an agent. The question remains: What should the penalty be for him and the school who most likely knew about this but continued to benefit from his on field performance????

Answer: Take ALL that shit!

Graycap23 said:

namepeace said:

Cap.

Come on, now.

He didn't earn anything from Floyd Flake.

He was given this stuff on the side in exchange for promised signings and endorsements once he got to the pros.

And he took it in violation of NCAA rules.

Surely you're not saying his (now meaningless) exploits on the field justify him breaking the rules off the field.

Of course I'm not saying that......but the reality is, if they busted every guy doing dirt in the corrupt NCAA.....no one would be playing.

Every guy doing it is not RB playing for USC and getting a $1 million (I'm including the house the agents bought and let his parents live in rent free) on the side. Of course they should go after the big fish because it'll make a bigger splash and trickle down to the rootie-poots. Like I said, the fact we're hearing so much already proves that Reggie's situation had an impact on their approach to finding the rule breakers.

[Edited 9/8/10 10:46am]

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

That is why he EARNED it on the field of play.

Cap.

Come on, now.

He didn't earn anything from Floyd Flake.

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

That is why he EARNED it on the field of play.

Cap.

Come on, now.

He didn't earn anything from Floyd Flake.

He was given this stuff on the side in exchange for promised signings and endorsements once he got to the pros.

And he took it in violation of NCAA rules.

Surely you're not saying his (now meaningless) exploits on the field justify him breaking the rules off the field.

You see, NOW we are getting somewhere!!!!

The Heisman Trophy is simply a PROMOTIONAL TOOL.

USC gets promotion and $$$ because they have a program that creates/features Heismen candidates. The NFL gets promotion and $$$ because they have a team/draft of Heismen winners/candidates.

What does a nice car or a swag house have to do with averaging 5 yards a carry, or 2 sacks a game?

Eligibility has fuck all to do with guys who Juice. It's a completely separate issue. If Reggie didn't play at USC, he might have played at LSU or Florida or Texas or Ohio State or some other monster school because HE WAS GOOD WITH THE ROCK.

By complaining that he made money when other people didn't, well... now you have to ask about the people who make money OFF college players and nobody says a thing.

namepeace said:

phunkdaddy said:

Look at some of these players from mediocre football programs like North Carolina

and South Carolina who are under scrutiny. UNC had 9 starters and an additional

7 players miss Saturday's college football game against LSU because of what they

may have or may not done at a party thrown by an agent in Florida. The other

USC(East)played last Thursday's game without perhaps their best player on offense

TE Wesley Saunders and a few others who were held out because of questions of

staying at an upscale hotel for practically free. God knows what else went down. The NCAA

also suspended Alabama's top DE because of that party thrown in Florida by an agent.

There are a lot of players in college football receiving shit under the table. You just don't

hear about it. In Bush's case he was just the high profile player playing at the mecca

school in college football. Was he wrong? Yes, but don't think for one minute this

crap ain't happening at other schools.

But you're making S's (and my) points for us.

A lot of players take plane rides, cars, jobs, VIP access to parties, and even a little money.

Bush took at least a half a million dollars in assets.

Whatever else went down in the UNC and SoCar situations combined are likely not over 1/10 of the value of what Bush did.

That's why this is such a big deal.

Like i said Southern Cal was the mecca of college football during Carroll's tenure. I'm not

downplaying what Bush did but if the school is going to take a mural of him down at the school

and play holier than thou then they should clean their shit up all the way around and the NCAA needs to set some consistencies into what is legal and what is not because they also consider minor shit that don't make any sense a rules violation. The bottom line no matter what Bush was the best player in college football that year period and for the record i don't like Southern Cal. He was just as much Mr. College Football those years as Tim Tebow was when he played at Florida.

Show me another player of RB's stature at another Div 1 school who got all of this and the NCAA ignored it. This shit goes way BEYOND a $1000 handshake.

Those benefits include:

• $595.20 in round-trip airfare from San Diego to Oakland in November 2005 for Bush's stepfather, LaMar Griffin, his mother, Denise Griffin and younger brother to attend the USC-California game at Berkeley. The fees were charged to the credit card of Jamie Fritz, an employee of Ornstein. The document detailing the charges was provided by Lee Pfeifer, an estranged business associate of Ornstein's.
• $250.65 for limousine transportation from the Oakland airport to the Ritz-Carlton in San Francisco that November weekend for the Bush family, charged to Fritz, according to a document. Ornstein acknowledged both he and Bush's family stayed at the luxury hotel.

Additionally, New Jersey memorabilia dealer Bob DeMartino alleges that Ornstein provided:

• Suits for Bush's stepfather and brother to wear during the Dec. 10, 2005 Heisman ceremony in New York, a makeover for his mother for the event and limousine transportation;
• Weekly payments of at least $1,500 to the Bush family.

Documents and multiple sources also link Bush and his family to receiving benefits from New Era's financial backers, including:

• $623.63 for a hotel stay by Bush at the Venetian Resort & Casino in Las Vegas from March 11-13, 2005, charged to Michaels, according to a document signed by Bush.
• $1,574.86 for a stay by Bush at the Manchester Hyatt in San Diego from March 4-6, 2005, paid for by Michaels, according to a hotel document, a hotel employee and a source.
• Approximately $13,000 to Bush from New Era to purchase and modify a car, three sources said.
• As reported by Yahoo! Sports in April, $54,000 in rent-free living for a year at Michaels' $757,500 home in Spring Valley, Calif., according to Michaels and San Diego attorney Brian Watkins.
• Also from previous Yahoo! reports, $28,000 from Michaels to help Bush's family settle pre-existing debt, according to Michaels and Watkins.
• Thousands of dollars in spending money to both Bush and his family from the prospective agents, according to multiple sources.

[Edited 9/8/10 10:51am]

SCNDLS said:

phunkdaddy said:

Look at some of these players from mediocre football programs like North Carolina

and South Carolina who are under scrutiny. UNC had 9 starters and an additional

7 players miss Saturday's college football game against LSU because of what they

may have or may not done at a party thrown by an agent in Florida. The other

USC(East)played last Thursday's game without perhaps their best player on offense

TE Wesley Saunders and a few others who were held out because of questions of

staying at an upscale hotel for practically free. God knows what else went down. The NCAA

also suspended Alabama's top DE because of that party thrown in Florida by an agent.

There are a lot of players in college football receiving shit under the table. You just don't

hear about it. In Bush's case he was just the high profile player playing at the mecca

school in college football. Was he wrong? Yes, but don't think for one minute this

crap ain't happening at other schools.

I acknowledged in my second post that it certainly happens, frequently. Go after them too or change the rules. The fact that we ARE hearing about it so much NOW and the college football season is barely starting shows that this Reggie Bush situation is changing how the NCAA pursues these infractions. I can't recall hearing of so many suspensions in an entire season, much less, so early in the year.

Regardless, one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. We're talking about THIS case where the Heisman winner, who won two national titles, while ineligible because he accepted almost $1 million in improper benefits and agreed to sign with an agent when he ain't supposed to have ANY contact with an agent. The question remains: What should the penalty be for him and the school who most likely knew about this but continued to benefit from his on field performance????

Answer: Take ALL that shit!

And now you're getting into some good questions too.

Here's a guy who broke the rules. What should his penalty be?

If caught DURING, obviously the kid would be put on probation or not allowed to participate. But they caught him AFTER.

So the NCAA wasn't doing their job? Why have the rules to begin with if they can't keep an eye on shit while it's going down?

Dauphin said:

SCNDLS said:

I acknowledged in my second post that it certainly happens, frequently. Go after them too or change the rules. The fact that we ARE hearing about it so much NOW and the college football season is barely starting shows that this Reggie Bush situation is changing how the NCAA pursues these infractions. I can't recall hearing of so many suspensions in an entire season, much less, so early in the year.

Regardless, one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. We're talking about THIS case where the Heisman winner, who won two national titles, while ineligible because he accepted almost $1 million in improper benefits and agreed to sign with an agent when he ain't supposed to have ANY contact with an agent. The question remains: What should the penalty be for him and the school who most likely knew about this but continued to benefit from his on field performance????

Answer: Take ALL that shit!

And now you're getting into some good questions too.

Here's a guy who broke the rules. What should his penalty be?

If caught DURING, obviously the kid would be put on probation or not allowed to participate. But they caught him AFTER.

So the NCAA wasn't doing their job? Why have the rules to begin with if they can't keep an eye on shit while it's going down?

The problem is that oversight and compliance should START with the schools who are supposed to report issues to the NCAA for investigation. So, you have the fox guarding the hen house. Pete Carroll admitted that at the time USC only had one compliance officer which shows that neither the school NOR the NCAA were taking this shit seriously. Pete said they now have six officers.

Like I said earlier, I don't think any of this woulda came out or been investigated if it wasn't for RB's appearance on Dub magazine. Clearly, Pete must have been aware of the changes in his finances. At the least, he noticed the car and didn't press RB about it.

My stance is that everyone knows what the rules are and CHOOSES to break them knowing of the possible repercussions. Until the rules change, whoever is caught with their hand in the cookie jar deserves whatever happens cuz they KNEW.

SCNDLS said:

Show me another player of RB's stature at another Div 1 school who got all of this and the NCAA ignored it. This shit goes way BEYOND a $1000 handshake.

Those benefits include:

• $595.20 in round-trip airfare from San Diego to Oakland in November 2005 for Bush's stepfather, LaMar Griffin, his mother, Denise Griffin and younger brother to attend the USC-California game at Berkeley. The fees were charged to the credit card of Jamie Fritz, an employee of Ornstein. The document detailing the charges was provided by Lee Pfeifer, an estranged business associate of Ornstein's.
• $250.65 for limousine transportation from the Oakland airport to the Ritz-Carlton in San Francisco that November weekend for the Bush family, charged to Fritz, according to a document. Ornstein acknowledged both he and Bush's family stayed at the luxury hotel.

Additionally, New Jersey memorabilia dealer Bob DeMartino alleges that Ornstein provided:

• Suits for Bush's stepfather and brother to wear during the Dec. 10, 2005 Heisman ceremony in New York, a makeover for his mother for the event and limousine transportation;
• Weekly payments of at least $1,500 to the Bush family.

Documents and multiple sources also link Bush and his family to receiving benefits from New Era's financial backers, including:

• $623.63 for a hotel stay by Bush at the Venetian Resort & Casino in Las Vegas from March 11-13, 2005, charged to Michaels, according to a document signed by Bush.
• $1,574.86 for a stay by Bush at the Manchester Hyatt in San Diego from March 4-6, 2005, paid for by Michaels, according to a hotel document, a hotel employee and a source.
• Approximately $13,000 to Bush from New Era to purchase and modify a car, three sources said.
• As reported by Yahoo! Sports in April, $54,000 in rent-free living for a year at Michaels' $757,500 home in Spring Valley, Calif., according to Michaels and San Diego attorney Brian Watkins.
• Also from previous Yahoo! reports, $28,000 from Michaels to help Bush's family settle pre-existing debt, according to Michaels and Watkins.
• Thousands of dollars in spending money to both Bush and his family from the prospective agents, according to multiple sources.

[Edited 9/8/10 10:51am]

Peanuts........

Graycap23 said:

SCNDLS said:

Show me another player of RB's stature at another Div 1 school who got all of this and the NCAA ignored it. This shit goes way BEYOND a $1000 handshake.

Those benefits include:

• $595.20 in round-trip airfare from San Diego to Oakland in November 2005 for Bush's stepfather, LaMar Griffin, his mother, Denise Griffin and younger brother to attend the USC-California game at Berkeley. The fees were charged to the credit card of Jamie Fritz, an employee of Ornstein. The document detailing the charges was provided by Lee Pfeifer, an estranged business associate of Ornstein's.
• $250.65 for limousine transportation from the Oakland airport to the Ritz-Carlton in San Francisco that November weekend for the Bush family, charged to Fritz, according to a document. Ornstein acknowledged both he and Bush's family stayed at the luxury hotel.

Additionally, New Jersey memorabilia dealer Bob DeMartino alleges that Ornstein provided:

• Suits for Bush's stepfather and brother to wear during the Dec. 10, 2005 Heisman ceremony in New York, a makeover for his mother for the event and limousine transportation;
• Weekly payments of at least $1,500 to the Bush family.

Documents and multiple sources also link Bush and his family to receiving benefits from New Era's financial backers, including:

• $623.63 for a hotel stay by Bush at the Venetian Resort & Casino in Las Vegas from March 11-13, 2005, charged to Michaels, according to a document signed by Bush.
• $1,574.86 for a stay by Bush at the Manchester Hyatt in San Diego from March 4-6, 2005, paid for by Michaels, according to a hotel document, a hotel employee and a source.
• Approximately $13,000 to Bush from New Era to purchase and modify a car, three sources said.
• As reported by Yahoo! Sports in April, $54,000 in rent-free living for a year at Michaels' $757,500 home in Spring Valley, Calif., according to Michaels and San Diego attorney Brian Watkins.
• Also from previous Yahoo! reports, $28,000 from Michaels to help Bush's family settle pre-existing debt, according to Michaels and Watkins.
• Thousands of dollars in spending money to both Bush and his family from the prospective agents, according to multiple sources.

[Edited 9/8/10 10:51am]

Peanuts........

So, where are all the stories of 1/3 of the players getting this much swag on the side?

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:

Peanuts........

So, where are all the stories of 1/3 of the players getting this much swag on the side?

I could tell u some........but then u would probably never hear from me again.

Graycap23 said:

SCNDLS said:

So, where are all the stories of 1/3 of the players getting this much swag on the side?

I could tell u some........but then u would probably never hear from me again.

You's a mess.

Hey, if they can get it and not get caught, good for them. More power. Just keep ya dumb ass off magazine covers with your ill-gotten gains.

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:

I could tell u some........but then u would probably never hear from me again.

You's a mess.

Hey, if they can get it and not get caught, good for them. More power. Just keep ya dumb ass off magazine covers with your ill-gotten gains.

Ever notice that it is always certain "types" of folks that get busted?

Graycap23 said:

SCNDLS said:

You's a mess.

Hey, if they can get it and not get caught, good for them. More power. Just keep ya dumb ass off magazine covers with your ill-gotten gains.

Ever notice that it is always certain "types" of folks that get busted?

If you're saying it's just "us," maybe it's cuz bruthas gotta show off their rims an' shit instead of laying in the cut. We are our own worst enemy.

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:

Ever notice that it is always certain "types" of folks that get busted?

If you're saying it's just "us," maybe it's cuz bruthas gotta show off their rims an' shit instead of laying in the cut. We are our own worst enemy.

Now that i can definitely agree with.

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:

Ever notice that it is always certain "types" of folks that get busted?

If you're saying it's just "us," maybe it's cuz bruthas gotta show off their rims an' shit instead of laying in the cut. We are our own worst enemy.

I have a feeling it is a lot deeper than that. We also make it 2 easy 4 them 2 use certain things against us.

Aww, po Reggie....perhaps I can show him some comfort

Oh wait, I don't think I'm his flava..

SHOCKADELICA1 said:

Aww, po Reggie....perhaps I can show him some comfort

Oh wait, I don't think I'm his flava..

Although, I'm laughing at his dumb ass for getting caught, let me be perfectly CLURRRRR:

Reggie is one foine muthafucka and I'd fuck him down to a low gravy. And really, isn't that THE most important thing we should all take from this thread???

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SCNDLS said:

SHOCKADELICA1 said:

Aww, po Reggie....perhaps I can show him some comfort

Oh wait, I don't think I'm his flava..

Although, I'm laughing at his dumb ass for getting caught, let me be perfectly CLURRRRR:

Reggie is one foine muthafucka and I'd fuck him down to a low gravy. And really, isn't that THE most important thing we should all take from this thread???

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yes LAWD....