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Reply #120 posted 09/11/10 5:45am

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Deadflow3r said:

OK, I had my third appointment with my Occupational therapist yesterday and my third appointment with my nurse today and saw my social worker on Wednesday. None of these people actually clean and I can only imagine what all of this is costing insurance wise.

While the occupatiional therapist was there, she is an expert on hoarders, another hoarder who she was suppose to see after me called and wanted to cancel. The woman, we will call her Daisy, is so ashamed of her hoarding that she won't let help in.

I asked my Occupational therapist if we could work towards getting a support group together so that people like Daisy who were mortified to let "normal" people know their thoughts and life could get help from folks like herself who she didn't have to be embarassed in front of.

I am bad, but I don't collect garbage and I am more of a clutterer than a hoarder. I have magazines but they are all less than 2 years old, most less than a year. I just can not organize for shit. Also sales always get me because, like alot of these people, I was once homeless. I tend to think "I will never be able to get it at this price again!" I hate to shop because I have to PULL myself away from clearance items.

Well so far me and the OT have decided that in the next week I would keep an hour by hour diary of what I plan to do, verses what I have done,and my moods.

It will be another 5 weeks before I get the cleaning service to come. Hopefully one of them has fantastic organizational skills. If my home was organized like a grocery store with everything having a specific place then I think I could keep it up. We will see confused

We'll be pulling for you!

I think the support group sounds like a great idea.

It's what you make it.
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Reply #121 posted 09/11/10 8:11am

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Deadflow3r said:

OK, I had my third appointment with my Occupational therapist yesterday and my third appointment with my nurse today and saw my social worker on Wednesday. None of these people actually clean and I can only imagine what all of this is costing insurance wise.

While the occupatiional therapist was there, she is an expert on hoarders, another hoarder who she was suppose to see after me called and wanted to cancel. The woman, we will call her Daisy, is so ashamed of her hoarding that she won't let help in.

I asked my Occupational therapist if we could work towards getting a support group together so that people like Daisy who were mortified to let "normal" people know their thoughts and life could get help from folks like herself who she didn't have to be embarassed in front of.

I am bad, but I don't collect garbage and I am more of a clutterer than a hoarder. I have magazines but they are all less than 2 years old, most less than a year. I just can not organize for shit. Also sales always get me because, like alot of these people, I was once homeless. I tend to think "I will never be able to get it at this price again!" I hate to shop because I have to PULL myself away from clearance items.

Well so far me and the OT have decided that in the next week I would keep an hour by hour diary of what I plan to do, verses what I have done,and my moods.

It will be another 5 weeks before I get the cleaning service to come. Hopefully one of them has fantastic organizational skills. If my home was organized like a grocery store with everything having a specific place then I think I could keep it up. We will see confused

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Thanks ZombieKitten; you PunkMistress and the others are being so supportive and I appretiate it so much. I have even got some supportive orgnotes from this thread.

That is what I love about the org. You really feel like you can say stuff that you just can not seem to get out so easily to people you know. Plus the people you know may not be interested.

When I post stuff on the org, the people who don't like my org personality skip it as do the people who aren't interested in the subject; that leaves a bunch of other people to respond and get ideas from. I just love that. I also have learned that there are plenty of people who are so, so different then me and genuinely so.

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Reply #122 posted 09/14/10 2:03pm

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I've never been so sick in my whole life. I wonder why and how these sorts get to this point.

Heck, many of them with their children and the thoughts of a normal friendship for them to have with others, to bring over friends and sleepovers. (fat chance)

So sad and sick at the same time

The one with the great hardwood floors and the rotting pumpkin...what up with that?!?

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Reply #123 posted 09/14/10 5:21pm

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I'm so glad I got rid of stuff, still trying to keep it looking simplified.

Out of the 30 boxes of books I have, I skimmed through it and kept out only the ones I really want to read and put them on a small shelf,

the rest are in boxes which I now use as the base of my bed (sold the futon I was sleeping on)

and it looks and feels so much better now.

It is a small thing, but it's a start.

whew

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Reply #124 posted 09/14/10 6:36pm

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I just saw the TLC version yesterday(?) -- one woman seemed to be receptive to help, but the other guy was bitter and in denial the whole time. He hoarded books and newspapers whereas she was hoarding everything from clothes to empty bags of dog food (in case she needed the wrapper for something...).

I feel like I could be the type of person who ends up as a hoarder if I wasn't careful. boxed I am sometimes reluctant to throw things out because I think, "I might need that later and if I throw it out then I'll have to spend money to buy another one," I can't bear to part with my art history books -- I have all my notebooks from college (I still use them as reference). I rent instead of own so I know in the back of my mind I'll move again so I am always wanting to save boxes. But for now I definitely not one. I am worried enough about being one (especially after seeing that show) that it makes me not save stuff even when I want to!

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The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #125 posted 09/14/10 7:29pm

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I was going to hoard John Gascot's art. But I don't want to be accused of hoarding. wink

99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment
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Reply #126 posted 09/15/10 6:47am

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Cleaning up my home reminds me so much of loosing weight.

I weigh around 236 and that is about 12 lbs less than I did in the beginning of August, but nobody noticed. If I had gone from 148 to 136 lots of people would notice.

It is the same with a nasty house. When you do it on your own it's slow going and even if you have done ALOT it just doesn't look like it and that is so discouraging. neutral

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Reply #127 posted 09/15/10 6:56am

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Deadflow3r said:

Cleaning up my home reminds me so much of loosing weight.

I weigh around 236 and that is about 12 lbs less than I did in the beginning of August, but nobody noticed. If I had gone from 148 to 136 lots of people would notice.

It is the same with a nasty house. When you do it on your own it's slow going and even if you have done ALOT it just doesn't look like it and that is so discouraging. neutral

But thats where you need to change your mindset! If you need to have people notice you and your accomplishments then that should fuel you to work that much harder so you can achieve what you are seeking... You really shouldnt be doing any of this just so others will notice, you should do it for yourself, even if only YOU notice it, that is the most important person who needs to be impressed!

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Reply #128 posted 09/15/10 7:06am

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I find this show fascinating.

It's damn creepy.

I've reached in darkness and come out with treasure
I layed down with love and I woke up with lies
Whats it all worth only the heart can measure
It's not whats in the mirror but what's left inside
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Reply #129 posted 09/15/10 7:09am

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tinaz said:

Deadflow3r said:

Cleaning up my home reminds me so much of loosing weight.

I weigh around 236 and that is about 12 lbs less than I did in the beginning of August, but nobody noticed. If I had gone from 148 to 136 lots of people would notice.

It is the same with a nasty house. When you do it on your own it's slow going and even if you have done ALOT it just doesn't look like it and that is so discouraging. neutral

But thats where you need to change your mindset! If you need to have people notice you and your accomplishments then that should fuel you to work that much harder so you can achieve what you are seeking... You really shouldnt be doing any of this just so others will notice, you should do it for yourself, even if only YOU notice it, that is the most important person who needs to be impressed!

I am not doing it for anybody else; it is just that when no one notices I feel like I am not getting anywhere and that nothing is changing. It is as if all my hard work is for not because it is staying the same. The truth is that it that I have to remind myself that like weight it IS changing but because it got so out of hand like my weight did, it will take a while before it becomes evident.

There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin.
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Reply #130 posted 09/15/10 7:15am

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Deadflow3r said:

tinaz said:

But thats where you need to change your mindset! If you need to have people notice you and your accomplishments then that should fuel you to work that much harder so you can achieve what you are seeking... You really shouldnt be doing any of this just so others will notice, you should do it for yourself, even if only YOU notice it, that is the most important person who needs to be impressed!

I am not doing it for anybody else; it is just that when no one notices I feel like I am not getting anywhere and that nothing is changing. It is as if all my hard work is for not because it is staying the same. The truth is that it that I have to remind myself that like weight it IS changing but because it got so out of hand like my weight did, it will take a while before it becomes evident.

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Yes, you have to have patience! hard work ALWAYS pays off!!

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Reply #131 posted 09/15/10 8:18am

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PunkMistress said:

Deadflow3r said:

OK, I had my third appointment with my Occupational therapist yesterday and my third appointment with my nurse today and saw my social worker on Wednesday. None of these people actually clean and I can only imagine what all of this is costing insurance wise.

While the occupatiional therapist was there, she is an expert on hoarders, another hoarder who she was suppose to see after me called and wanted to cancel. The woman, we will call her Daisy, is so ashamed of her hoarding that she won't let help in.

I asked my Occupational therapist if we could work towards getting a support group together so that people like Daisy who were mortified to let "normal" people know their thoughts and life could get help from folks like herself who she didn't have to be embarassed in front of.

I am bad, but I don't collect garbage and I am more of a clutterer than a hoarder. I have magazines but they are all less than 2 years old, most less than a year. I just can not organize for shit. Also sales always get me because, like alot of these people, I was once homeless. I tend to think "I will never be able to get it at this price again!" I hate to shop because I have to PULL myself away from clearance items.

Well so far me and the OT have decided that in the next week I would keep an hour by hour diary of what I plan to do, verses what I have done,and my moods.

It will be another 5 weeks before I get the cleaning service to come. Hopefully one of them has fantastic organizational skills. If my home was organized like a grocery store with everything having a specific place then I think I could keep it up. We will see confused

We'll be pulling for you!

I think the support group sounds like a great idea.

Totally pulling for you!!! hug grouphug


And I completely agree on the support group. nod

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Reply #132 posted 09/15/10 8:22am

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kewlschool said:

I was going to hoard John Gascot's art. But I don't want to be accused of hoarding. wink

You would be correct in not hoarding it. nod My work is painted to be displayed and enjoyed. It should enrich your day by putting a smile on your face when you walk past it. It shouldn't be in a pile cluttering your home.

Now start collecting. mad

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Reply #133 posted 09/15/10 11:38am

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Deadflow3r said:

Cleaning up my home reminds me so much of loosing weight.

I weigh around 236 and that is about 12 lbs less than I did in the beginning of August, but nobody noticed. If I had gone from 148 to 136 lots of people would notice.

It is the same with a nasty house. When you do it on your own it's slow going and even if you have done ALOT it just doesn't look like it and that is so discouraging. neutral

Don't give up.

You're doing lots of hard work and I'm proud of you.

Keep going! Eventually you will get to the point where it is noticed and acknowledged.

It's what you make it.
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Reply #134 posted 09/15/10 3:49pm

wildgoldenhone
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Recently I've also noticed a lot of homeless hoarders.

I mean some of them have 20 shopping carts of stuff piled in it and just mountains of stuff on the side of the roads.

Ok, now I think I'm swinging to the other extreme and becoming Mr. Monk like about non-hoarding... eek

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Reply #135 posted 09/22/10 8:30am

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D.C. hoarder: Marshals find 'unbelievable' amount of stuff at Columbia Heights eviction

The evidence of Eliosa Diaz's destitution and apparent compulsion to collect was spread out for all to see. (Photo: Jay Westcott)

This story has been updated.

WASHINGTON, D.C. — "This ain't your usual eviction," said one of the women gathered on the corner of 11th and Otis streets NW. She was right.

In a city with 9.9 percent unemployment, there are many tales of job loss, extended unemployment and homelessness. But for Eliosa Diaz, the evidence of her destitution and apparent compulsion to collect was spread out for all to see in Columbia Heights last night.

And spread it did.

The contents of her former residence were piled 4 or 5-feet high, stretching north, south and east, taking up both sides of the blocks.

The items almost seemed random: a computer monitor, health and beauty aids, 1970s or 80s stereo components, assorted furniture — just about anything you could fit in a house, or 10 houses.

"Feels terrible to see one person with all this. It's more than 10 houses [worth], the way it looks," said Frederick Akinbolajo, who lives in the neighborhood.

Dupree Davenport was walking by when he saw the clutter: "It's just unbelievable" that it came from one house, he said.

Diaz said she came to the United States 22 years ago from Venezuela. The thousands of things now guarded by D.C. police officers were charitable donations she had collected, she claimed.

"I collect things to donate to any country in Latin America," she said. "The reason I'm going through this situation is because I collected too many things to help, and for charity."

It's unclear how long she had been keeping the items she said she intended to donate, or whether she had ever sent anything.

"Seeing who the owner is, and where she's from, it just makes me think about people who are not used to having, so they come and they hoard, and it's a sad state of affairs," Dupree Davenport said. "Maybe she intended to send some back to her people elsewhere."

Diaz said she was unemployed and couldn't pay her landlord.

"They put me out because I don't have no job, no money to pay the landlord," she said. "I am not a bum. I need a job to pay my bills."

She says she called several D.C. agencies, including the mayor's office, trying to get financial assistance or help finding work.

"I've been calling for a year to many agencies and they won't help me," Diaz claimed.

Ward 1 Councilmember Jim Graham, who arrived at the scene Tuesday night, said he had no records of her contacting his office for help. Graham called Diaz a hoarder and said he requested social workers to help her last night.

He also arranged for two trucks to come out and clear away Diaz's most valuable possessions. He said that under D.C. law, Diaz has 72 hours to move her belongings. After that, the city will likely have to send a dump truck to collect them.

"If she can identify the things that have value to her, we have a truck, we have a place to take it right now. We can store it on a temporary basis," said Graham.

Diaz said she was also evicted from her apartment on Rock Creek Church Road a year ago. She abandoned her belongings there.

And she said she accumulated all of the stuff that was pulled from her Northwest home within the past year. She says she's been evicted many times before, but the latest is "the most historic." She hasn't worked full-time in 2.5 years, but has done odd jobs. She is currently three months behind on her rent, she said.

Diaz said it was actually a relief for her, and it's also a relief to her neighbors, who say this set-up isn't good for anyone.

"We're trying to build, to build up this community and to see something like this is unbelievable," said neighbor Rhonda Carter.

Police officers were keeping an eye on the process throughout the night. They were still on the scene this morning, guarding the rest of her belongings.

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Reply #136 posted 09/23/10 6:33pm

wildgoldenhone
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I applied to be one who helps get rid of the clutter... still waiting for a call back.

sad

I want this job.

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Reply #137 posted 09/24/10 1:00pm

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wildgoldenhoney said:

Recently I've also noticed a lot of homeless hoarders.

I mean some of them have 20 shopping carts of stuff piled in it and just mountains of stuff on the side of the roads.

Ok, now I think I'm swinging to the other extreme and becoming Mr. Monk like about non-hoarding... eek

Being homeless deffinately can do that to you. I only lived on the street for less than a full month, but after being evicted I did not have enough money to put my stuff, clothes, furniture etc into storage so I gave it all away or left what I could not sell at a yard sale. Lost pictures aswell. Very sad and mornful and loss ends up = anxiety after that.

Also note that ALOT of hoarder are among those that lived through the depression. Everything had value in those days, nothing was abandoned if it could possibly be used for something else and thereby save money. Even after making money later in life many still thought like this.

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Reply #138 posted 09/24/10 1:01pm

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wildgoldenhoney said:

I applied to be one who helps get rid of the clutter... still waiting for a call back.

sad

I want this job.

[Edited 9/23/10 18:34pm]

Where did you apply?

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Reply #139 posted 09/26/10 3:26am

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Deadflow3r said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

Recently I've also noticed a lot of homeless hoarders.

I mean some of them have 20 shopping carts of stuff piled in it and just mountains of stuff on the side of the roads.

Ok, now I think I'm swinging to the other extreme and becoming Mr. Monk like about non-hoarding... eek

Being homeless deffinately can do that to you. I only lived on the street for less than a full month, but after being evicted I did not have enough money to put my stuff, clothes, furniture etc into storage so I gave it all away or left what I could not sell at a yard sale. Lost pictures aswell. Very sad and mornful and loss ends up = anxiety after that.

Also note that ALOT of hoarder are among those that lived through the depression. Everything had value in those days, nothing was abandoned if it could possibly be used for something else and thereby save money. Even after making money later in life many still thought like this.

Hmm... I guess when you find yourself having to be homeless, it must've been a shock, your life thrown into a confusion. hug

I think you're right about the living through the depression thing, my grandmother always used to stock up on canned goods,

and I remember her reason was living through the depression, although it was only food and toilet paper that she hoarded.

-- The job was a personal organizer, from craigslist.

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Reply #140 posted 09/26/10 9:04pm

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a documentary well worth a look:

http://vimeo.com/603058

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Reply #141 posted 10/02/10 8:25am

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My occupational therapist came up with this weeks idea.

Treat it like a job. Get dressed and avoid answering the phone for the exact amount of time that I am "punched in" for.

Stick to one tiny small space at a time to see results.

Have not done it yet, but WILL.

There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin.
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Reply #142 posted 10/02/10 8:25am

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My occupational therapist came up with this weeks idea.

Treat it like a job. Get dressed and avoid answering the phone for the exact amount of time that I am "punched in" for.

Stick to one tiny small space at a time to see results.

Have not done it yet, but WILL.

There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin.
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Reply #143 posted 10/02/10 9:52am

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Deadflow3r said:

My occupational therapist came up with this weeks idea.

Treat it like a job. Get dressed and avoid answering the phone for the exact amount of time that I am "punched in" for.

Stick to one tiny small space at a time to see results.

Have not done it yet, but WILL.

That seems like a good idea. It's easy to get sidetracked (even on other stuff like when one works from home). So treating it as if you're "on the clock" sounds like a good attitude to have in order to get things done. Let us know how it works for you. hug

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Reply #144 posted 10/02/10 3:12pm

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Deadflow3r said:

My occupational therapist came up with this weeks idea.

Treat it like a job. Get dressed and avoid answering the phone for the exact amount of time that I am "punched in" for.

Stick to one tiny small space at a time to see results.

Have not done it yet, but WILL.

Im not trying to sound rude or unsympathetic but... Why havent you started it yet? What are you waiting for?

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Reply #145 posted 10/05/10 7:11am

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tinaz said:

Deadflow3r said:

My occupational therapist came up with this weeks idea.

Treat it like a job. Get dressed and avoid answering the phone for the exact amount of time that I am "punched in" for.

Stick to one tiny small space at a time to see results.

Have not done it yet, but WILL.

Im not trying to sound rude or unsympathetic but... Why havent you started it yet? What are you waiting for?

Don't EVER think your being rude or unsympathetic. If I am putting it out there then you have a right to comment. Not only that, if I didn't want people to comment I wouldn't put it out there. I am trying to get over this and past it and that means taking a damn hard look at myself. You all act as my other set of eyes. And if anything THANKS. So far my answer is "I don't exactly know".

There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin.
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Reply #146 posted 10/05/10 9:22am

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Deadflow3r said:

tinaz said:

Im not trying to sound rude or unsympathetic but... Why havent you started it yet? What are you waiting for?

Don't EVER think your being rude or unsympathetic. If I am putting it out there then you have a right to comment. Not only that, if I didn't want people to comment I wouldn't put it out there. I am trying to get over this and past it and that means taking a damn hard look at myself. You all act as my other set of eyes. And if anything THANKS. So far my answer is "I don't exactly know".

hug

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Reply #147 posted 10/06/10 6:58am

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Well yesterday I tried it and now know I have to hide my phone etc. Totally get rid of the damn thing so I don't fb or anything else. Man talk about avoidance. I weirdly pictured Tinaz or other people being able to watch me, like I couldn't lie. It's embarassing that as an adult I still get motivated to clean by getting in trouble. neutral

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