Deadflow3r said:

Dear johnart this is me you are talking about and I wish I had a way to sit down with you.

First, let me tell you I sought out help BECAUSE I had a daughter and felt it was WRONG to have her live like this and she was removed from my home.

I can't really write about this too long because it makes me suicidal to talk about it, seriously.

I can thank my daughter for being alive because I won't kill myself as long as she is alive.

it is extremely painful to fight this day in and day out and still have a messy house.

I have begged for help and cried and cried,

I just started getting a visiting nurses association to see if they can help me.

I have worked with a therapist (different ones) for over 5 years and they have no clue.

The only way it has ever gotten clean is for me to step out of the house, pay someone to come in and throw away stuff as they see fit, i do NOT look in the trashbags to see what they have thrown away.

I do not have $$$$ to pay for someone to do this right now or I would do it. All DCF did when they took my daughter away was to tell me "clean it' they did not provide services.

I would agree to have my legs amputated in exchange for never having this problem again. This problem has been EXCRUTIATINGLY painful to me for the past five years expecially. After a long day where I think I have been cleaning, only for the house to still be dirty I feel like I could really hang myself if I wasn't a mother. Truth.

OMG!

I don't know if this helps, but this is what I told my mom.

YOU DID NOT BRING ALL OF THIS STUFF IN YOUR HOUSE IN ONE DAY OR AT ONE TIME

so how can you remove it that way?

Progress is slow, but throw one thing out at a time. Not shift through a whole bunch of stuff. That will overwhelm you, don't do that to yourself.

Don't let yourself feel rushed, just throw one thing out a day... then two things or three.

Little by little you will claim your home and yourself back. Next thing you will be gringing out a trashbag at a time. Everyday to the garbage can to toss stuff out... it'll get you in a rhythym. And reclaim a room at a time. Every huge journey starts with one little step.

do it right now, throw one thing away.

Cerebus said:

Genesia said:

You do realize you're sounding like a...conservative?

....shhhh! I actually recall discussing with you at one time that I fall to both sides, depending on the issue. I'm definitely a liberal, but I reserve the right to vote however the hell I want. I've always been that way. I refuse to blindly follow any single political point of view. History has proven that doesn't really work so well. I'm actually really vocal about the two party system not working. Have been for a long time. I believe one of the things that needs to change right now is allowing voters to choose amongst all candidates during pimaries, not just those of their registered party.

Also, a lot of our serious arguments .... were about other parts of the great equation of life. I just deleted about 1000 words. I will say that my views regarding the course of action to be taken on some issues has definitely changed. But my opinion regarding the cause of those issues has not. I'm gonna leave it at that. For now, anyway. Oh... and I still love soy beans!

John... I still need more sleep. ... siiiigh...

Go sleep!

johnart said:

Ernest, fuck you. You know this is you now. Don't even play. I will never catch up.

LOL You are so bitter.

ernestsewell said:

johnart said:

Ernest, fuck you. You know this is you now. Don't even play. I will never catch up.

LOL You are so bitter.

I was gonna say something about Sir Patrick's dolls then I remembered Betina.

At least I don't ride her round the neighborhood in the front seat of the car.

johnart said:

ernestsewell said:

LOL You are so bitter.

I was gonna say something about Sir Patrick's dolls then I remembered Betina.

At least I don't ride her round the neighborhood in the front seat of the car.

Hey, I'm not a doll, homo.

Betina said:

johnart said:

I was gonna say something about Sir Patrick's dolls then I remembered Betina.

At least I don't ride her round the neighborhood in the front seat of the car.

Hey, I'm not a doll, homo.

Shut up, dummy.

Betina said:

johnart said:

I was gonna say something about Sir Patrick's dolls then I remembered Betina.

At least I don't ride her round the neighborhood in the front seat of the car.

Hey, I'm not a doll, homo.

Genesia said:

Betina has an account here, too?!?

John, glad to see you survived the first episode...

johnart said:

I was gonna say something about Sir Patrick's dolls then I remembered Betina.

You named your sex doll after me?

I have a friend in Nebraska that is a hoarder. She wasn't always like this, use to keep her home very clean, then she went through some stuff and now her house is filled with trash and such. It's so hard to visit her.

retina said:

johnart said:

I was gonna say something about Sir Patrick's dolls then I remembered Betina.

You named your sex doll after me?

Yes I have a condition that's kinda like Engrish. I substitute all my "r"s with "b"s.

[Edited 9/7/10 16:35pm]

retina said:

johnart said:

I was gonna say something about Sir Patrick's dolls then I remembered Betina.

You named your sex doll after me?

Excuse me? Who the hell are you referring to, exactly?

Ah shit.

Deadflow3r said:

johnart said:

Why do I even watch it? I just end up yelling at the tv screen and pissed off every time.

Why are these nasty ass people (yes I know it's insensitive of me and that this is a disorder) not forced to live in some sort of monitored group home situation? Especially when kids are involved.

Lawd and then they always gotta start up with it being everybody else's problem.

[Edited 9/6/10 20:34pm]

Dear johnart this is me you are talking about and I wish I had a way to sit down with you.

First, let me tell you I sought out help BECAUSE I had a daughter and felt it was WRONG to have her live like this and she was removed from my home.

I can't really write about this too long because it makes me suicidal to talk about it, seriously.

I can thank my daughter for being alive because I won't kill myself as long as she is alive.

it is extremely painful to fight this day in and day out and still have a messy house.

I have begged for help and cried and cried,

I just started getting a visiting nurses association to see if they can help me.

I have worked with a therapist (different ones) for over 5 years and they have no clue.

The only way it has ever gotten clean is for me to step out of the house, pay someone to come in and throw away stuff as they see fit, i do NOT look in the trashbags to see what they have thrown away.

I do not have $$$$ to pay for someone to do this right now or I would do it. All DCF did when they took my daughter away was to tell me "clean it' they did not provide services.

I would agree to have my legs amputated in exchange for never having this problem again. This problem has been EXCRUTIATINGLY painful to me for the past five years expecially. After a long day where I think I have been cleaning, only for the house to still be dirty I feel like I could really hang myself if I wasn't a mother. Truth.

so sorry you're going through such a struggle with this.

johnart said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

Being in a house of STUFFF!!! makes me angry, and seeing the preview makes me angry too.

I feel so closed in and can't think or function that way, glad I got rid of and am still getting rid of stuff,

just keeping a few key pieces.

Sold a loveseat just today...

<--"Currently downsizing/simplifying! Trying to be a minimalist!"

[Edited 9/7/10 3:21am]

We've had a few moves over the past 5 or so years. It's made me really learn the joys of purging.

Our style has gone from having a lot to minimal and back to someplace in between (depending on our home or mood) but I've learned to welcome change and not put too much importance on "stuff".

Moving always seems to make everyone I've heard from aware of how much stuff they've accumulated and want to get rid of.

I saw the commercial for one of the shows coming up,and the commercial alone was enough for me.

They moved a box of something,and there were bugs all over,and then a posssum comes leaping out of a pile of stuff.

How the hell do you let your house get so dirty that you do not realize you have a fuckin possum living with you?

EmeraldSkies said:

I saw the commercial for one of the shows coming up,and the commercial alone was enough for me.

They moved a box of something,and there were bugs all over,and then a posssum comes leaping out of a pile of stuff.

How the hell do you let your house get so dirty that you do not realize you have a fuckin possum living with you?

There was one from last season that they showed last night. I think a son was removed from the home because of the mom's trash. He came back as an adult to help her clean the house out. She was very uncooperative and unthankful for things. The therapists had to reminder to just say "Thank you". They found seven cat carcasses. She had no idea seven cats had died in her house. Just tragic.

ernestsewell said:

EmeraldSkies said:

I saw the commercial for one of the shows coming up,and the commercial alone was enough for me.

They moved a box of something,and there were bugs all over,and then a posssum comes leaping out of a pile of stuff.

How the hell do you let your house get so dirty that you do not realize you have a fuckin possum living with you?

There was one from last season that they showed last night. I think a son was removed from the home because of the mom's trash. He came back as an adult to help her clean the house out. She was very uncooperative and unthankful for things. The therapists had to reminder to just say "Thank you". They found seven cat carcasses. She had no idea seven cats had died in her house. Just tragic.

For the cats.

John don't take this the wrong way but I love it when you an Betina fight.

Somehow I think john will not play well with others in the nursing home when the time comes (except on open bar night)

I can see him now:

Gimmie my checkers!!!

PurpleRighteous1 said:

John don't take this the wrong way but I love it when you an Betina fight.

That bitch.

kewlschool said:

Somehow I think john will not play well with others in the nursing home when the time comes (except on open bar night)

I can see him now:

Gimmie my checkers!!!

I am sweet as candy.

EmeraldSkies said:

I saw the commercial for one of the shows coming up,and the commercial alone was enough for me.

They moved a box of something,and there were bugs all over,and then a posssum comes leaping out of a pile of stuff.

How the hell do you let your house get so dirty that you do not realize you have a fuckin possum living with you?

Yeah, Imma be screamin at that one. I have an issue with possums.

I was freakin out cause there was a palmetto bug (big-ass cockroach) in the trash bin OUTSIDE.

I didn't think they lived up here.

Fuck a possum.

johnart said:

EmeraldSkies said:

I saw the commercial for one of the shows coming up,and the commercial alone was enough for me.

They moved a box of something,and there were bugs all over,and then a posssum comes leaping out of a pile of stuff.

How the hell do you let your house get so dirty that you do not realize you have a fuckin possum living with you?

Yeah, Imma be screamin at that one. I have an issue with possums.

I was freakin out cause there was a palmetto bug (big-ass cockroach) in the trash bin OUTSIDE.

I didn't think they lived up here.

Fuck a possum.

Oh yuck!!

Body of Las Vegas woman found in clutter at home

LAS VEGAS — A four-month search for a missing Las Vegas woman came to a ghastly end this week when her husband found her corpse in their home amid a labyrinth of squalor that had been impassable even to search dogs.

Bill James apparently had no idea that the body of his pack-rat wife, Billie Jean, was under the same roof as he helped police scour the home and the Nevada desert for any sign of her. Then he spotted the feet of the body poking out of a floor-to-ceiling pile of junk Wednesday, revealing in shocking detail the woman's penchant for hoarding.

Police say they searched the home several times — even using dogs from a unit that helped locate bodies at ground zero after Sept. 11 and Hurricane Katrina. But they were unable to find the body of amid the piles of clothes, knickknacks, trash and other junk.

"For our dogs to go through that house and not find something should be indicative of the tremendous environmental challenges they faced," police spokesman Bill Cassell said.

Clark County Coroner's office spokeswoman Jessica Coloma said it could take weeks to determine when and how the 67-year-old woman died. The husband has been cooperative throughout the investigation and quickly notified police of his discovery.

One thing is not in doubt about the case: Billie Jean James loved to hoard. It's a behavior that has received new attention this year with two popular reality TV shows — "Hoarding: Buried Alive" and "Hoarders" — that chronicle the lives of people who live in absolute squalor because they cannot bring themselves to throw anything away.

A similar situation could be seen at the James' home in a desert-front cul-de-sac near the Las Vegas Strip. In the driveway sits two huge trash bins that require industrial-sized trucks to haul them away. The front patio is filled with knickknacks including old chairs, smaller trash bins and a 10-foot basketball hoop.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...s/us_news/

damn...

Billie Jean is not my hoarder

She's just a girl who

Keeps everything that she owns

Hee hee hee

I see a future CSI episode.

Cerebus said:

Billie Jean is not my hoarder

She's just a girl who

Keeps everything that she owns

Hee hee hee

I see a future CSI episode.

It even happened in LV.