johnart said:

Ok, if we start reacting to other people (assholes or not) like animals, we're in deep deep shit.

We are animals so of course we react like them. If somebody is behaving in a physically threatening way people generally feel intimidated or afraid. The difference is that we try not to act on those kinds of impulses, which is what I think this dude should have tried. Instead he had to go all gorilla.

At least they eventually turned. He didn't.

And yeah, we have to agree to disagree about the respect issue. Maybe when you reach the old people's age you'll be in agreement with me.

Old man deserved a stomping.

"sticks and stones"

Anyone who initiates a physical altercation over some pointless argument gets no sympathy from me when they end up on the ground.

It doesn't even look like the younger guy tried to toss him, they were squaredancing and gramps tripped over the seat behind him like a dumbass.

johnart said:

See? I knew I was gonna end up watching that crap again.

That dude just looks mouthy and animated (none which call for getting physical with someone).
That couple was not acting threatened. They were pissed (maybe with good reason).

Mouthy dude goes to sit down a few times and she's still goin on over him like she's his mama.

And when gramps goes for him, he immediately pulls himself out of there. Asshole or not that dude was not trynna threaten no old people from what I can see on that tape.

If someone is acting ridiculous and ignunt you get security to handle that shit.

Like I said in my first post, people are fuckin idiots. They're all morons.

Yup. Regardless of how idiotic or disrespectful people might feel someone is behaving, the point in bold still rings true. Get security. Age doesn't give you the right to get physical as you see fit.

retina said:

johnart said:

Ok, if we start reacting to other people (assholes or not) like animals, we're in deep deep shit.

We are animals so of course we react like them. If somebody is behaving in a physically threatening way people generally feel intimidated or afraid. The difference is that we try not to act on those kinds of impulses, which is what I think this dude should have tried. Instead he had to go all gorilla.

So what if he kept runnin his mouth after they eventually turned? If they still had an issue they needed to call security over, not lay their hands on someone.

At least they eventually turned. He didn't.

And yeah, we have to agree to disagree about the respect issue. Maybe when you reach the old people's age you'll be in agreement with me.

We're just gonna go in circles.

We are animals, of course, but we also have intelect and can make the choice to say to ourselves: You know what? That dude is an asshole. That dude is standing there waving his arms around and running his mouth...hmm...maybe I'm not gonna go over there and school him like he's my child...cause, hmmm...that's just kind of stupid, and this place pays security folk to handle that sort of thing.

During our Mexican vacation earlier this year, we were out to dinner at a nice restaurant and there was a dude that clearly had had too much (not everyone is a glamorous drunk like I ). He was being loud and obnoxious and a total idiot. We didn't walk over to his table and pick a fight or try to school him. We paid good money to enjoy ourselves, not go fight. Instead, we called the Maitre d over and had him handle the situation.

I cannot be convinced that in a situation like this any sort of physical action is an acceptable response to words.

I'm afraid I won't come around on the issue of respect being something that isn't earned. I will expect respect when I'm older, as I do now, simply because it is the manner in which I treat others.

My mother's mother and her husband used to talk down to younger folk, especially non-whites. How I wish someone had gone off on her disrespectful ignorant ass. On the other hand I'm glad they didn't, because sadly, they would have been viewed as being abusive or disrespectful of someone older.

retina said:

We are animals so of course we react like them. If somebody is behaving in a physically threatening way people generally feel intimidated or afraid. The difference is that we try not to act on those kinds of impulses, which is what I think this dude should have tried. Instead he had to go all gorilla.

At least they eventually turned. He didn't.

And yeah, we have to agree to disagree about the respect issue. Maybe when you reach the old people's age you'll be in agreement with me.

At least the young guy actually sat his ass down and didn't initiate any violence. The old man didn't. I'd say the old man is the one that went "all gorilla".

^ :yeah that: ......................................... !

johnart said:

retina said:

At least they eventually turned. He didn't.

And yeah, we have to agree to disagree about the respect issue. Maybe when you reach the old people's age you'll be in agreement with me.

We're just gonna go in circles.

We are animals, of course, but we also have intelect and can make the choice to say to ourselves: You know what? That dude is an asshole. That dude is standing there waving his arms around and running his mouth...hmm...maybe I'm not gonna go over there and school him like he's my child...cause, hmmm...that's just kind of stupid, and this place pays security folk to handle that sort of thing.

During our Mexican vacation earlier this year, we were out to dinner at a nice restaurant and there was a dude that clearly had had too much (not everyone is a glamorous drunk like I ). He was being loud and obnoxious and a total idiot. We didn't walk over to his table and pick a fight or try to school him. We paid good money to enjoy ourselves, not go fight. Instead, we called the Maitre d over and had him handle the situation.

I cannot be convinced that in a situation like this any sort of physical action is an acceptable response to words.

I'm afraid I won't come around on the issue of respect being something that isn't earned. I will expect respect when I'm older, as I do now, simply because it is the manner in which I treat others.

My mother's mother and her husband used to talk down to younger folk, especially non-whites. How I wish someone had gone off on her disrespectful ignorant ass. On the other hand I'm glad they didn't, because sadly, they would have been viewed as being abusive or disrespectful of someone older.

Of course you have to earn respect, which is what you've done if you've made it through nearly an entire lifetime. Young people these days always assume that they know more about life than the elderly. They should shut up and listen every once in a while, or at the very least not start waving their arms in their faces and yell and cuss and refuse to back down.

FauxReal said:

retina said:

At least they eventually turned. He didn't.

And yeah, we have to agree to disagree about the respect issue. Maybe when you reach the old people's age you'll be in agreement with me.

At least the young guy actually sat his ass down and didn't initiate any violence. The old man didn't. I'd say the old man is the one that went "all gorilla".

There are more ways to initiate violence than to be violent. That loudmouthed idiot should have backed off long ago, especially considering who he was dealing with.

retina said:

FauxReal said:

At least the young guy actually sat his ass down and didn't initiate any violence. The old man didn't. I'd say the old man is the one that went "all gorilla".

There are more ways to initiate violence than to be violent. That loudmouthed idiot should have backed off long ago, especially considering who he was dealing with.

It is much easier to deflect a word than a fist. Instead of attempting a geriatric Ali shuffle and attempting to manhandle the kid, the old man should have called security. That would have been the smart thing to do.

...and who are the guys bounding down 12 rows to get involved? Why?

Tennis brings out the worst in people.....

Shawnt27 said:

retina said:

There are more ways to initiate violence than to be violent. That loudmouthed idiot should have backed off long ago, especially considering who he was dealing with.

It is much easier to deflect a word than a fist. Instead of attempting a geriatric Ali shuffle and attempting to manhandle the kid, the old man should have called security. That would have been the smart thing to do.

He stood up for his wife and taught that punk that he can't behave that way. I say good on him.

FauxReal said:

Shawnt27 said:

Brawling at the US Open. Come on.

No kidding. No excuse for all that racket. Where's the love?

I got it!

mcmeekle said:

...and who are the guys bounding down 12 rows to get involved? Why?

Because he hit back at an older woman! The guy is an asshole and a coward.

retina said:

mcmeekle said:

...and who are the guys bounding down 12 rows to get involved? Why?

Because he hit back at an older woman! The guy is an asshole and a coward.

No, the two later on, white t-shirts. I think one's actually a woman......

mcmeekle said:

retina said:

Because he hit back at an older woman! The guy is an asshole and a coward.

No, the two later on, white t-shirts. I think one's actually a woman......

I don't know what you mean by "later on" but it was after he shoved the woman that people intervened. No wonder!

retina said:

johnart said:

We're just gonna go in circles.

We are animals, of course, but we also have intelect and can make the choice to say to ourselves: You know what? That dude is an asshole. That dude is standing there waving his arms around and running his mouth...hmm...maybe I'm not gonna go over there and school him like he's my child...cause, hmmm...that's just kind of stupid, and this place pays security folk to handle that sort of thing.

During our Mexican vacation earlier this year, we were out to dinner at a nice restaurant and there was a dude that clearly had had too much (not everyone is a glamorous drunk like I ). He was being loud and obnoxious and a total idiot. We didn't walk over to his table and pick a fight or try to school him. We paid good money to enjoy ourselves, not go fight. Instead, we called the Maitre d over and had him handle the situation.

I cannot be convinced that in a situation like this any sort of physical action is an acceptable response to words.

I'm afraid I won't come around on the issue of respect being something that isn't earned. I will expect respect when I'm older, as I do now, simply because it is the manner in which I treat others.

My mother's mother and her husband used to talk down to younger folk, especially non-whites. How I wish someone had gone off on her disrespectful ignorant ass. On the other hand I'm glad they didn't, because sadly, they would have been viewed as being abusive or disrespectful of someone older.

Of course you have to earn respect, which is what you've done if you've made it through nearly an entire lifetime. Young people these days always assume that they know more about life than the elderly. They should shut up and listen every once in a while, or at the very least not start waving their arms in their faces and yell and cuss and refuse to back down.

Sorry but WRONG.

My grandmother was a horrible person. Prejudiced, racist, disrespectful of people who did not see eye to eye with her. She lived well into her 80's. I am sorry to say this, but she did not earn anybody's respect. The respect that was given to her by any of us (and don't think I never went off on her; she only started talking to me again after a decade after alzheimer's began to set in...it made her a much nicer person), was completely and absolutely undeserved.

johnart said:

retina said:

Of course you have to earn respect, which is what you've done if you've made it through nearly an entire lifetime. Young people these days always assume that they know more about life than the elderly. They should shut up and listen every once in a while, or at the very least not start waving their arms in their faces and yell and cuss and refuse to back down.

Sorry but WRONG.

My grandmother was a horrible person. Prejudiced, racist, disrespectful of people who did not see eye to eye with her. She lived well into her 80's. I am sorry to say this, but she did not earn anybody's respect. The respect that was given to her by any of us (and don't think I never went off on her; she only started talking to me again after a decade after alzheimer's began to set in...it made her a much nicer person), was completely and absolutely undeserved.

I disagree. Everybody has their faults. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they don't deserve respect in their old age.

Didn't we already agree to disagree on that?

retina said:

Shawnt27 said:

It is much easier to deflect a word than a fist. Instead of attempting a geriatric Ali shuffle and attempting to manhandle the kid, the old man should have called security. That would have been the smart thing to do.

He stood up for his wife and taught that punk that he can't behave that way. I say good on him.

Exactly how did he teach that punk anything? I completely missed that part. Was it during his bouncy bounce down?

johnart said:

retina said:

He stood up for his wife and taught that punk that he can't behave that way. I say good on him.

Exactly how did he teach that punk anything? I completely missed that part. Was it during his bouncy bounce down?

He taught him that he can't behave like that and go unpunished.

Some thoughts:

-the Fx word guy and the guy with the camera are the real villians/assholes of the story...

-a lot of +60 years old men "easily" use their fists at the slightest sign of trouble, like the good old times; perhaps they were raised that way

-that old man can't fight anymore; c'mon I'm not sayin' that he should have delivered a roundkick or whatever cuz he can't , but he fell down clumsily, in fact it looked like a kamikaze attack...

retina said:

johnart said:

Sorry but WRONG.

My grandmother was a horrible person. Prejudiced, racist, disrespectful of people who did not see eye to eye with her. She lived well into her 80's. I am sorry to say this, but she did not earn anybody's respect. The respect that was given to her by any of us (and don't think I never went off on her; she only started talking to me again after a decade after alzheimer's began to set in...it made her a much nicer person), was completely and absolutely undeserved.

I disagree. Everybody has their faults. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they don't deserve respect in their old age.

Didn't we already agree to disagree on that?

Disrespect is not a fault. It is a disregard for anyone beside oneself. Don't even get me started on her other lovely traits.

And yes we did. See how easy it is to go on about some stuff one's feeling strongly about that could've been left alone a while back?

JoeTyler said:

Some thoughts:

-the Fx word guy and the guy with the camera are the real villians/assholes of the story...

-a lot of +60 years old men "easily" use their fists at the slightest sign of trouble, like the good old times; perhaps they were raised that way

-that old man can't fight anymore; c'mon I'm not sayin' that he should have delivered a roundkick or whatever cuz he can't , but he fell down clumsily, in fact it looked like a kamikaze attack...

I was thinking along those lines, but that encapsulates it nicely....

johnart said:

retina said:

I disagree. Everybody has their faults. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they don't deserve respect in their old age.

Didn't we already agree to disagree on that?

Disrespect is not a fault. It is a disregard for anyone beside oneself. Don't even get me started on her other lovely traits.

And yes we did. See how easy it is to go on about some stuff one's feeling strongly about that could've been left alone a while back?

So step back then, punk.

retina said:

johnart said:

Exactly how did he teach that punk anything? I completely missed that part. Was it during his bouncy bounce down?

He taught him that he can't behave like that and go unpunished.

Seriously and with all due respect...

If anything, he taught him to wait a few decades and then he can start using his fists and still come out the hero.

retina said:

johnart said:

Disrespect is not a fault. It is a disregard for anyone beside oneself. Don't even get me started on her other lovely traits.

And yes we did. See how easy it is to go on about some stuff one's feeling strongly about that could've been left alone a while back?

So step back then, punk.

Don't do it. Call a mod.

johnart said:

retina said:

He taught him that he can't behave like that and go unpunished.

Seriously and with all due respect...

If anything, he taught him to wait a few decades and then he can start using his fists and still come out the hero.

If there are young idiots that provoke you and threaten your wife, yes.

johnart said:

retina said:

So step back then, punk.

Don't do it. Call a mod.

Too late.

retina said:

johnart said:

Seriously and with all due respect...

If anything, he taught him to wait a few decades and then he can start using his fists and still come out the hero.

If there are young idiots that provoke you and threaten your wife, yes.

What?? We don't know he threatened ANYBODY.

retina said:

johnart said:

Don't do it. Call a mod.

Too late.

Watch out for those steps behind ya.

johnart said:

retina said:

If there are young idiots that provoke you and threaten your wife, yes.

What?? We don't know he threatened ANYBODY.

We already had a long discussion about how he was behaving in a threatening way, how he was disrespectful and how he refused to back down even after they turned away. We really are going in circles...