This is bogus. I wonder if USC is returning the millions of $ they made off of Bush?

The Heisman Trophy Trust is expected to strip former USC running back Reggie Bush of his 2005 Heisman Trophy and leave the award vacant, Yahoo Sports reported.

Two sources close to the trust said the organization is completing its investigation and will agree with the NCAA's finding that Bush accepted improper benefits while at USC and was ineligible during the 2005 season, according to the report. The NCAA cited USC for "lack of institutional control" and handed the Trojans four years' probation, a two-year bowl ban and a reduction in football scholarships.

http://sports.espn.go.com...id=5542215

[Edited 9/7/10 8:05am]

What does USC have to do with this decision? Did they lie and deny and reap improper benefits? He knew the rules and willfully broke them so no better for him.

SCNDLS said:

What does USC have to do with this decision? Did they lie and deny and reap improper benefits? He knew the rules and willfully broke them so no better for him.

U think he is the ONLY one in 75 years?

Graycap23 said:

SCNDLS said:

What does USC have to do with this decision? Did they lie and deny and reap improper benefits? He knew the rules and willfully broke them so no better for him.

U think he is the ONLY one in 75 years?

Nope, not at all. But if you don't wanna get caught don't pose on Dub magazine with the car you got against the rules when you been driving a raggedy truck for two years. Him AND his family were dumb wit it and deserved to be caught. So, no better for him.

This is the shit that STARTED the investigation. Nobody was even thinking about his ass until he did this shit. THEN all the questions started asking how he got the money and where his parents were living. THEN he refused to honor his deal with the dude and refused to repay him the money he invested, which woulda shut him up and the NCAA woulda had Nathan.

No better for his dumb ass. Take that, take that, take that!

Graycap23 said:

SCNDLS said:

What does USC have to do with this decision? Did they lie and deny and reap improper benefits? He knew the rules and willfully broke them so no better for him.

U think he is the ONLY one in 75 years?

Nope. But that's not an affirmative defense.

I'm not worried about the money USC made off Bush, as much as I am their retention of the titles they won or played for with him in the lineup. Can't do much under NCAA rules about the money. But 90% of programs, at least, would take 2 national titles in a decade if it meant they'd forfeit 2 years of bowls and 2-3 down years due to loss of scholarships and postseason eligibility. The NCAA hasn't forced the Trojans to forfeit the 2 main reasons they looked the other way, so the penalty still doesn't go far enough.

As far as Bush is concerned, the Heisman is a small price to pay for the millions in salary and endorsements he earned despite breaking the rules. If he's caught, he's out of college football and probably delivering boxes of Dub Magazine instead.

does this mean Kim Kardashian is on her way to console him?

Was he found to have taken performance enhancement drugs?

The Heisman is about on the football field performance. Period. I don't care if they act like they take "leadership" and "grade point averages" into consideration, it's about what they did on the football field.

He busted his ass out there and earned the trophy. A nice house and car doesn't change that.

Dauphin said:

Was he found to have taken performance enhancement drugs?

The Heisman is about on the football field performance. Period. I don't care if they act like they take "leadership" and "grade point averages" into consideration, it's about what they did on the football field.

He busted his ass out there and earned the trophy. A nice house and car doesn't change that.

Because he is going to be found ineligible (or has been), everything he did that year will become as though it never happened. All of it will be wiped from the books. His stats for that season will no longer exist. He's not even close to the first player to be dealt this punishment, but I believe he may be the first Heisman Trophy winner. Kinda sucks, but I do agree with what people are saying above. He broke the rules and he got himself caught. Deal with your mistakes and move on. He's still in the NFL and he's still got a Super Bowl ring. A lot of really great players never got one of those.

Cerebus said:

Dauphin said:

Was he found to have taken performance enhancement drugs?

The Heisman is about on the football field performance. Period. I don't care if they act like they take "leadership" and "grade point averages" into consideration, it's about what they did on the football field.

He busted his ass out there and earned the trophy. A nice house and car doesn't change that.

Because he is going to be found ineligible (or has been), everything he did that year will become as though it never happened. All of it will be wiped from the books. His stats for that season will no longer exist. He's not even close to the first player to be dealt this punishment, but I believe he may be the first Heisman Trophy winner. Kinda sucks, but I do agree with what people are saying above. He broke the rules and he got himself caught. Deal with your mistakes and move on. He's still in the NFL and he's still got a Super Bowl ring. A lot of really great players never got one of those.

And what's worse is that his OWN ego and need to floss was his downfall. All of this stuff surfaced after his college playing days were over. Of course there were whispers and rumors, which is common. But posing on the cover of Dub magazine made the NCAA and USC unable to turn a blind eye and forced them to investigate him. If he'd flown under the radar no one woulda been the wiser. That's why I gotta laugh at his dumb ass.

This report is completely false... they haven't made a decision...

http://sportsillustrated....tml?hpt=T2

shiloh66 said:

This report is completely false... they haven't made a decision...

http://sportsillustrated....tml?hpt=T2

Rob Whalen, executive director of the Heisman Trophy Trust, spoke with Dan Patrick Show Producer Paul Pabst regarding the Yahoo! Sports report that the Trust is expected to strip Reggie Bush's 2005 Heisman Trophy by the end of the month.

"Yahoo! Sports claiming Heisman Trust has reached a decision is completely false," Whalen said. "The Heisman Trophy Trust has made no decision regarding the Reggie Bush matter."

Bush, currently with the New Orleans Saints, would become the first player in the 75-year history of the award to have the Heisman Trophy taken away.

The Heisman Trust subsequently released this statement:

The status of the USC / Bush matter remains unchanged. Any reports to the contrary are inaccurate. Please refer to July 2010 statement below.

William J. Dockery
President , Heisman Trust

Re: Heisman Trophy – USC/Reggie Bush

“The Heisman Trophy Trust, is a 501(c)(3) charitable trust, which each year contributes significant monies to the underserved of our country.

The Trust will be considering the issues raised in the USC/Reggie Bush matter, and after reaching a decision will publish it, but due to the complex issues involved and the Trust’s desire to reach an appropriate decision, no definitive timetable has been established. Until the matter has been fully considered and a decision is reached, the Trust has no further comment."

William J. Dockery
President
Heisman Trophy Trust

The Yahoo! report also indicated the Heisman Trust planned to leave the award vacant for that season. On Aug. 30, Texas coach Mack Brown told the Dan Patrick Show that he believes Vince Young deserves the '05 Heisman Trophy.

I'm sure it's true and someone inside leaked it early. That's why it's called an exclusive. Yahoo broke the initial story with the sports agent forcing the NCAA and USC to look into this in the first place, so it's not like they're not reputable or resourceful when it comes to this story.

Two sources close to the Heisman trust said the body’s investigation is coming to a close, and will ultimately concur with the NCAA’s determination that Bush was ineligible during his Heisman-winning season in 2005. Because of that independent conclusion, sources said the trust will relieve Bush of the award and leave the honor for that season vacant. The sources said Bush met with Heisman representatives last month at the New York law offices of Emmet, Marvin & Martin. The sources would not reveal details of that meeting.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/n...sman090710

[Edited 9/7/10 15:33pm]

SCNDLS said:

Cerebus said:

Because he is going to be found ineligible (or has been), everything he did that year will become as though it never happened. All of it will be wiped from the books. His stats for that season will no longer exist. He's not even close to the first player to be dealt this punishment, but I believe he may be the first Heisman Trophy winner. Kinda sucks, but I do agree with what people are saying above. He broke the rules and he got himself caught. Deal with your mistakes and move on. He's still in the NFL and he's still got a Super Bowl ring. A lot of really great players never got one of those.

And what's worse is that his OWN ego and need to floss was his downfall. All of this stuff surfaced after his college playing days were over. Of course there were whispers and rumors, which is common. But posing on the cover of Dub magazine made the NCAA and USC unable to turn a blind eye and forced them to investigate him. If he'd flown under the radar no one woulda been the wiser.

C and S are right. Gold medals, et al. have been stripped, but the Heisman Trophy is sacrosanct? Kids in college football have thrown away futures for tennis shoes and plane flights, but Bush is supposed to take what's probably worth a half million in cash and assets while an amateur and he gets to keep the Heisman? He's lucky the DA or the feds aren't looking at him. He's not the first, but he's one of the biggest fish in history to get caught doing it.

Bush was a superstar and if he couldn't get paid for it legally, he at least wanted to act like it. The NCAA doesn't like any kinds of shoots that don't involve their sport. Kids get in trouble posing for stuff for charity. Bush goes on the cover of Dub to flash rims? What did he think was gonna happen?

Oh yeah . . . if the court in the Floyd Flake case hadn't let him stonewall his deposition for five years this would have happened much sooner.

Dauphin said:

Was he found to have taken performance enhancement drugs?

The Heisman is about on the football field performance. Period. I don't care if they act like they take "leadership" and "grade point averages" into consideration, it's about what they did on the football field.

He busted his ass out there and earned the trophy. A nice house and car doesn't change that.

Exactly.

phunkdaddy said:

Dauphin said:

Was he found to have taken performance enhancement drugs?

The Heisman is about on the football field performance. Period. I don't care if they act like they take "leadership" and "grade point averages" into consideration, it's about what they did on the football field.

He busted his ass out there and earned the trophy. A nice house and car doesn't change that.

Exactly.

True.

Graycap23 said:

phunkdaddy said:

Exactly.

True.

Nope.

This is all about "eligibility." Not "leadership" or "GPAs." He cheated on his own accord, so whatever he did on the field means nothing. And it's his own fault. You're telling me that if he juiced, you'd feel differently, but he took a half million dollars on top of state scholarship money and got caught and THAT's okay? Negative.

Don't blame the NCAA, USC or Carroll for what Bush and his family did. They were rewarded for their efforts, and this is the price to pay. Whatever the fault of the other players in the game, these folk chose to break the rules on their own.

Remember it all you want, but it means as much as watching "Reggie Bush" on a video game.

Nada.

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

True.

Nope.

This is all about "eligibility." Not "leadership" or "GPAs." He cheated on his own accord, so whatever he did on the field means nothing. And it's his own fault. You're telling me that if he juiced, you'd feel differently, but he took a half million dollars on top of state scholarship money and got caught and THAT's okay? Negative.

Don't blame the NCAA, USC or Carroll for what Bush and his family did. They were rewarded for their efforts, and this is the price to pay. Whatever the fault of the other players in the game, these folk chose to break the rules on their own.

Remember it all you want, but it means as much as watching "Reggie Bush" on a video game.

Nada.

Probably 1/3 of these players aren't eligible.

Graycap23 said:

namepeace said:

Nope.

This is all about "eligibility." Not "leadership" or "GPAs." He cheated on his own accord, so whatever he did on the field means nothing. And it's his own fault. You're telling me that if he juiced, you'd feel differently, but he took a half million dollars on top of state scholarship money and got caught and THAT's okay? Negative.

Don't blame the NCAA, USC or Carroll for what Bush and his family did. They were rewarded for their efforts, and this is the price to pay. Whatever the fault of the other players in the game, these folk chose to break the rules on their own.

Remember it all you want, but it means as much as watching "Reggie Bush" on a video game.

Nada.

Probably 1/3 of these players aren't eligible.

Few if any of them get anything CLOSE to what Bush did.

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

Probably 1/3 of these players aren't eligible.

Few if any of them get anything CLOSE to what Bush did.

That is why he EARNED it on the field of play.

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

True.

Nope.

This is all about "eligibility." Not "leadership" or "GPAs." He cheated on his own accord, so whatever he did on the field means nothing. And it's his own fault. You're telling me that if he juiced, you'd feel differently, but he took a half million dollars on top of state scholarship money and got caught and THAT's okay? Negative.

Don't blame the NCAA, USC or Carroll for what Bush and his family did. They were rewarded for their efforts, and this is the price to pay. Whatever the fault of the other players in the game, these folk chose to break the rules on their own.

Remember it all you want, but it means as much as watching "Reggie Bush" on a video game.

Nada.

I'm still waiting for a satisfactory explanation for why USC gets to keep their wins and titles despite looking the other way. I totally agree that Reggie should pay the price but he's not the only one with grubby paws in this scenario. Hopefully they'll lose their appeal.

[Edited 9/8/10 9:20am]

SCNDLS said:

namepeace said:

Nope.

This is all about "eligibility." Not "leadership" or "GPAs." He cheated on his own accord, so whatever he did on the field means nothing. And it's his own fault. You're telling me that if he juiced, you'd feel differently, but he took a half million dollars on top of state scholarship money and got caught and THAT's okay? Negative.

Don't blame the NCAA, USC or Carroll for what Bush and his family did. They were rewarded for their efforts, and this is the price to pay. Whatever the fault of the other players in the game, these folk chose to break the rules on their own.

Remember it all you want, but it means as much as watching "Reggie Bush" on a video game.

Nada.

I'm still waiting for a satisfactory explanation for why USC gets to keep their wins and titles despite looking the other way. I totally agree that Reggie should pay the price but he's not the only one with grubby paws in this scenario. Hopefully they'll lose their appeal.

[Edited 9/8/10 9:20am]

.....and money.

Graycap23 said:

SCNDLS said:

I'm still waiting for a satisfactory explanation for why USC gets to keep their wins and titles despite looking the other way. I totally agree that Reggie should pay the price but he's not the only one with grubby paws in this scenario. Hopefully they'll lose their appeal.

[Edited 9/8/10 9:20am]

.....and money.

How, through fines?

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:

.....and money.

How, through fines?

They should pay back every cent they made of TV money, bowl money, etc.....

Graycap23 said:

SCNDLS said:

How, through fines?

They should pay back every cent they made of TV money, bowl money, etc.....

Stop it, you know that ain't happening.

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:

They should pay back every cent they made of TV money, bowl money, etc.....

Stop it, you know that ain't happening.

Then really..................what is the point?

Graycap23 said:

SCNDLS said:

Stop it, you know that ain't happening.

Then really..................what is the point?

Something's better than nothing and a hefty fine and lost future revenue can go a long way to making these big programs at least pause before breaking the rules.

Graycap23 said:

namepeace said:

Few if any of them get anything CLOSE to what Bush did.

That is why he EARNED it on the field of play.

He was ineligible to play. He should not have been out there at all.

It's pretty much the same as a 21-year-old guy saying he's only 17, playing high school football, and winning all-state awards.

Sure he "earned" that because he was better than everyone out there, but he wasn't supposed to be out there in the first place.

Bush's example is a little different because what he did doesn't relate to a performance advantage, so I get that. But a rule is a rule and if you break them, then you suffer the consequences.

That's why Vernon Maxwell's stats aren't in the FSU record book.

RodeoSchro said:

Graycap23 said:

That is why he EARNED it on the field of play.

He was ineligible to play. He should not have been out there at all.

It's pretty much the same as a 21-year-old guy saying he's only 17, playing high school football, and winning all-state awards.

Sure he "earned" that because he was better than everyone out there, but he wasn't supposed to be out there in the first place.

Bush's example is a little different because what he did doesn't relate to a performance advantage, so I get that. But a rule is a rule and if you break them, then you suffer the consequences.

That's why Vernon Maxwell's stats aren't in the FSU record book.

let me say it again.......I'd say about 1/3 of NACC Div 1 players are not truely eligible.

Graycap23 said:

RodeoSchro said:

He was ineligible to play. He should not have been out there at all.

It's pretty much the same as a 21-year-old guy saying he's only 17, playing high school football, and winning all-state awards.

Sure he "earned" that because he was better than everyone out there, but he wasn't supposed to be out there in the first place.

Bush's example is a little different because what he did doesn't relate to a performance advantage, so I get that. But a rule is a rule and if you break them, then you suffer the consequences.

That's why Vernon Maxwell's stats aren't in the FSU record book.

let me say it again.......I'd say about 1/3 of NACC Div 1 players are not truely eligible.

Based on what? Even IF that's true it's still not an excuse to give a pass to one of the biggest stars in the game, at the time, who KNOWINGLY accepted almost a million dollars for himself and his parents. 1/3 of Division players are NOT doing that.

Graycap23 said:

SCNDLS said:

How, through fines?

They should pay back every cent they made of TV money, bowl money, etc.....

As a graduate of the only university that ever got the NCAA's Death Penalty, I wholeheartedly disagree with that.

If USC had nothing to do with Bush's transgressions (and they didn't), and they didn't know about it and let it go on without trying to stop it (again, no one has shown they knew to the point of certainty), then USC should not be penalized.

When the NCAA gave SMU the Death Penalty because of the actions of our idiot governor, some boosters, and a couple players, that crushed EVERYONE. It crushed players that hadn't done anything wrong. It crushed students that had no part whatsoever in anything. And it crushed the reputation of a great school.

My feeling, borne from personal experience, is that punishment should be levied on the wrongdoers only.