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Thread started 08/30/10 12:55pm

Efan

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Drink up and live longer!

This is such welcome, wonderful news.

http://www.time.com/time/...32,00.html

Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

By John Cloud

One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink actually tend to die sooner than those who do. The standard Alcoholics Anonymous explanation for this finding is that many of those who show up as abstainers in such research are actually former hard-core drunks who had already incurred health problems associated with drinking.

But a new paper in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research suggests that — for reasons that aren't entirely clear — abstaining from alcohol does actually tend to increase one's risk of dying even when you exclude former drinkers. The most shocking part? Abstainers' mortality rates are higher than those of heavy drinkers.

Moderate drinking, which is defined as one to three drinks per day, is associated with the lowest mortality rates in alcohol studies. Moderate alcohol use (especially when the beverage of choice is red wine) is thought to improve heart health, circulation and sociability, which can be important because people who are isolated don't have as many family members and friends who can notice and help treat health problems.

But why would abstaining from alcohol lead to a shorter life? It's true that those who abstain from alcohol tend to be from lower socioeconomic classes, since drinking can be expensive. And people of lower socioeconomic status have more life stressors — job and child-care worries that might not only keep them from the bottle but also cause stress-related illnesses over long periods. (They also don't get the stress-reducing benefits of a drink or two after work.)

But even after controlling for nearly all imaginable variables — socioeconomic status, level of physical activity, number of close friends, quality of social support and so on — the researchers (a six-member team led by psychologist Charles Holahan of the University of Texas at Austin) found that over a 20-year period, mortality rates were highest for those who had never been drinkers, second-highest for heavy drinkers and lowest for moderate drinkers.

The sample of those who were studied included individuals between ages 55 and 65 who had had any kind of outpatient care in the previous three years. The 1,824 participants were followed for 20 years. One drawback of the sample: a disproportionate number, 63%, were men. Just over 69% of the never-drinkers died during the 20 years, 60% of the heavy drinkers died and only 41% of moderate drinkers died.

These are remarkable statistics. Even though heavy drinking is associated with higher risk for cirrhosis and several types of cancer (particularly cancers in the mouth and esophagus), heavy drinkers are less likely to die than people who have never drunk. One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

The authors of the new paper are careful to note that even if drinking is associated with longer life, it can be dangerous: it can impair your memory severely and it can lead to nonlethal falls and other mishaps (like, say, cheating on your spouse in a drunken haze) that can screw up your life. There's also the dependency issue: if you become addicted to alcohol, you may spend a long time trying to get off the bottle.

That said, the new study provides the strongest evidence yet that moderate drinking is not only fun but good for you. So make mine a double.

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Reply #1 posted 08/30/10 1:09pm

abigail05

hells to the yes.

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Reply #2 posted 08/30/10 1:15pm

Shorty

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woot!

"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #3 posted 08/30/10 1:16pm

Nikademus

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Johnart will outlive us all smile

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Reply #4 posted 08/30/10 1:30pm

Number23

I've said this for years. And years. And years.
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Reply #5 posted 08/30/10 1:31pm

Genesia

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johnny, we're gonna live forever and ever... touched

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Reply #6 posted 08/30/10 1:39pm

MacDaddy

Genesia said:

johnny, we're gonna live forever and ever... touched

falloff

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Reply #7 posted 08/30/10 2:24pm

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Genesia said:

johnny, we're gonna live forever and ever... touched

lol cool

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Reply #8 posted 08/30/10 2:26pm

tinaz

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Ive always said its cuz there pickled... The alcohol is like formaldehyde!! lol

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Reply #9 posted 08/30/10 2:32pm

Genesia

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tinaz said:

Ive always said its cuz there pickled... The alcohol is like formaldehyde!! lol

Actually...the initial metabolite of alcohol metabolism is acetaldehyde - which is a close relative of formaldehyde. geek

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Reply #10 posted 08/30/10 2:34pm

tinaz

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Genesia said:

tinaz said:

Ive always said its cuz there pickled... The alcohol is like formaldehyde!! lol

Actually...the initial metabolite of alcohol metabolism is acetaldehyde - which is a close relative of formaldehyde. geek

falloff

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Reply #11 posted 08/30/10 3:46pm

orger

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i can drink and live life immortal

i can smoke herb and live cancer free

then surely sex with strangers will afford me some sort of superhuman power

How is it you feel?
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Reply #12 posted 08/31/10 8:18am

johnart

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Nikademus said:

Johnart will outlive us all smile

PositivityNYC said:

Genesia said:

johnny, we're gonna live forever and ever... touched

lol cool

We'll be like vampires except we'll harvest humans for their livers not their blood.

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Reply #13 posted 08/31/10 8:23am

NMuzakNSoul

Ohhhh....time to get wasted. lol

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Reply #14 posted 08/31/10 8:24am

Lisa10

woot!

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Reply #15 posted 08/31/10 8:28am

Mach

tinaz said:

Ive always said its cuz there pickled... The alcohol is like formaldehyde!! lol

lol

That's because there is some truth in it !

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Reply #16 posted 08/31/10 8:35am

Genesia

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johnart said:

We'll be like vampires except we'll harvest humans for their livers not their blood.

But I hate liver! bawl

[Edited 8/31/10 8:36am]

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Reply #17 posted 08/31/10 8:36am

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Number23 said:

I've said this for years. And years. And years.

lol

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Reply #18 posted 08/31/10 8:40am

johnart

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Genesia said:

johnart said:

We'll be like vampires except we'll harvest humans for their livers not their blood.

But I hate liver! bawl

[Edited 8/31/10 8:36am]

In 20-30 years we can probably just pop a liver pill and down it with vodka.

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Reply #19 posted 08/31/10 8:45am

Genesia

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johnart said:

Genesia said:

But I hate liver! bawl

[Edited 8/31/10 8:36am]

In 20-30 years we can probably just pop a liver pill and down it with vodka.

woot!

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Reply #20 posted 08/31/10 8:49am

tinaz

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Genesia said:

johnart said:

In 20-30 years we can probably just pop a liver pill and down it with vodka.

woot!

We wont even need teeth anymore... neutral

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Reply #21 posted 08/31/10 8:56am

Genesia

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tinaz said:

Genesia said:

woot!

We wont even need teeth anymore... neutral

Some of us don't need teeth now. shrug

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Reply #22 posted 08/31/10 8:57am

tinaz

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Genesia said:

tinaz said:

We wont even need teeth anymore... neutral

Some of us don't need teeth now. shrug

falloff

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Reply #23 posted 08/31/10 8:59am

TD3

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One mo' mintue till lunch hour, I guess I'll have to have a double martini. Cheers! lol

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Reply #24 posted 08/31/10 9:35am

XxAxX

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i wonder how soon our health plans will reflect this welcome news? will we be required to imbibe a quota per day? will our employers leave us alone when we show up tanked on the job, and offer as an excuse the words "because it's good for me."? biggrin

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Reply #25 posted 08/31/10 4:49pm

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orger said:

i can drink and live life immortal

i can smoke herb and live cancer free

then surely sex with strangers will afford me some sort of superhuman power

nod Sure would! You'd have the power to shoot fire from your dick. superman

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Reply #26 posted 08/31/10 5:33pm

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My father was a very heavy drinker when I was young.

He worked outdoors and even in the dead of winter, shoveling snow during heavy winterstorms all day long, the man NEVER GOT SICK.

Now he's sobered up. And yes, he's sick all the time.

sigh

By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory!
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Reply #27 posted 08/31/10 10:03pm

evenstar3

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invincibility! woot!

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Reply #28 posted 09/01/10 5:32am

JoeTyler

Very weak. This is even ridiculous...

Let's say that moderate doses of alcohol are not harmful...

But the rest of the article is downright pathetic.

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Reply #29 posted 09/01/10 7:38am

novabrkr

As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

This is what I've been myself thinking about. It's a lot like the reason why vegetarians tend to be often depressed and get overweight even if they think they are living "healthy". These type of life choices are based on strong idealist values and people clinging onto their ideals all throughout their adulthood also tend to be of a certain type. Certainly, my own non-drinking years were also the ones when I was most depressed - it was also because I was demanding so much from myself in general. Depression and anxiety will detoriate your physical health quite effectively over the years, although that's always hard to prove "scientifically". Of course, it's widely known that mood can affect intestinal functioning.

I would be sceptical of any attempts to make poisoning yourself on a weekly basis seem somehow "healthier" than not poisoning yourself. I personally think it's simply connected to other lifestyle factors. It is very rare that you meet an adult person that doesn't drink at all.

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