phunkdaddy said:

Fuck TJ Douchmanadeh signed with the Ratbirds(Ravens).

Watch out for Baltimore this year - Rice, Mason, Boldin, Heap, Housh, along with a young, improving QB. Steelers better take notice.

Congrats to Revis - four years at $46mil, with nearly $32mil guaranteed. Smart deal. Without the guaranteed loot, NFL contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

uPtoWnNY said:

phunkdaddy said:

Fuck TJ Douchmanadeh signed with the Ratbirds(Ravens).

Watch out for Baltimore this year - Rice, Mason, Boldin, Heap, Housh, along with a young, improving QB. Steelers better take notice.

Congrats to Revis - four years at $46mil, with nearly $32mil guaranteed. Smart deal. Without the guaranteed loot, NFL contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

Why aren't they?

If the NFL goes bust, how is a guaranteed contract worth more? No money is no money.

The guarantee is only good if there are funds to pay it.

Cerebus said:

SUPRMAN said:

Sanchez and Stafford were forced to start as rookies. Leinart was not.

No QB position is safe for two or three years, even with proven performers.

McNabb was traded because he wasn't any good last season?!!!

Leinart has had three years to show something and he hasn't.

I don't fee sorry for him at all. How much opportunity does he need?

And of course we've seen his potential as an NFL QB and there is no potential.

I completely disagree with your totally broken logic in this response. You basically proved my point. So thank you.

McNabb wasn't traded because he wasn't any good, either. Don't believe I've seen anybody inside the Eagles organization quoted as saying such. Sometimes teams just make a change after a QB has been around that long and starts to age. Hell, Joe Montana played for the Chiefs.

Re read what I wrote.

I was making the point that McNabb is not a cast off like Leinart.

Leinart has never been and looks like he will never be NFL starting material.

Oh well, he's not the first and won't be the last.

Graycap23 said:

Cerebus said:

Did he ever play a full season without the threat of another QB taking over at the first sign he wasn't playing the position above average?

shyeeeeoooo - don't know what the hell happened there edit...

[Edited 9/5/10 10:16am]

Only dumb ass coaches do that ala Lovie Smith with Rex Grossman. Either perform when u get your chance or u are NOT a NFL caliber player.

Co-sign.

Stop whining that you weren't coddled . . . .

Cerebus said:

I don't really know which team I think he should go to, but I don't think Leinart is done. I also think dude deserves a real chance. There are teams out there who are going to loose a lot of games and don't have a QB any better than him, so why not get him in there and actually give him a chance to play for an entire season. He's young and hasn't played much - he COULD still turn into something good. I'd go so far as to say the Niners should grab him, but I actually think we're going to win some games this year AND that we're already doing the same thing with two QB's. Don't really need a third project QB.

Houshmanzadeh got PAID for this year, too (like, seven million). So he'll definitely be somewhere helpin' somebody who is expected to make the playoffs. They won't have to pay him much, or play him much. It's a win/win. Dude definitely still has some game left in him.

Please name those teams. Not Cleveland, Tampa or Buffalo has a worse starter at QB.

There is no team bad enough to start Leinart, that's why he accepted a contract as a back-up.

It's not like anyone was beating down the door to acquire him. If he had potential to be a starter, there are teams that may have..

Houshmanzadeh only gets $800,000 from Baltimore, the rest is from Seattle. He's not going to be a starter, at least for the first half of the season. Boldin on the other side will help, but only if Boldin draws the double teams.

I just don't agree with y'all about Lienart. I believe he was expected to be a savior, but was never given the chance to just be a player. My opinion in this regard is not going to change. He's still young, though, so only time will tell if he ever does anything more than ride the bench. If not, a career backup QB in the NFL is still a lifetime of good stories and enough money to never have to work after he retires. *shrug*

Houshmanzadeh has pretty impressive stats over the last few years and won't have nearly the pressure to be the "go to" guy this season, so I'm still expecting something from him. Even if it's only when they do spread packages with four wide recievers. Gettin' paid seven million dollars to be cut could put a fire under his ass, too. Of course it could also make him not give a shit because he's already been paid.

Cerebus said:

I just don't agree with y'all about Lienart. I believe he was expected to be a savior, but was never given the chance to just be a player. My opinion in this regard is not going to change. He's still young, though, so only time will tell if he ever does anything more than ride the bench. If not, a career backup QB in the NFL is still a lifetime of good stories and enough money to never have to work after he retires. *shrug*

He'll get his chance in Houston. The book on Schaub is he's brittle as glass.

uPtoWnNY said:

Cerebus said:

I just don't agree with y'all about Lienart. I believe he was expected to be a savior, but was never given the chance to just be a player. My opinion in this regard is not going to change. He's still young, though, so only time will tell if he ever does anything more than ride the bench. If not, a career backup QB in the NFL is still a lifetime of good stories and enough money to never have to work after he retires. *shrug*

He'll get his chance in Houston. The book on Schaub is he's brittle as glass.

U can give this guy a 1000 chances. He is not an NFL Qb.

Graycap23 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

He'll get his chance in Houston. The book on Schaub is he's brittle as glass.

U can give this guy a 1000 chances. He is not an NFL Qb.

We don't know that yet. Some cats take longer longer to "get" the NFL. Phil Simms said he didn't truly understand the league until his sixth year. Maybe a change of scenery/different coaching philosophy will do it.

uPtoWnNY said:

Graycap23 said:

U can give this guy a 1000 chances. He is not an NFL Qb.

We don't know that yet. Some cats take longer longer to "get" the NFL. Phil Simms said he didn't truly understand the league until his sixth year. Maybe a change of scenery/different coaching philosophy will do it.

Lol..............u don't know that. I can clearly see that.

Brady Quinn, Grossman, McCoy,.........

Cerebus said:

I just don't agree with y'all about Lienart. I believe he was expected to be a savior, but was never given the chance to just be a player. My opinion in this regard is not going to change. He's still young, though, so only time will tell if he ever does anything more than ride the bench. If not, a career backup QB in the NFL is still a lifetime of good stories and enough money to never have to work after he retires. *shrug*

Houshmanzadeh has pretty impressive stats over the last few years and won't have nearly the pressure to be the "go to" guy this season, so I'm still expecting something from him. Even if it's only when they do spread packages with four wide recievers. Gettin' paid seven million dollars to be cut could put a fire under his ass, too. Of course it could also make him not give a shit because he's already been paid.

Housh was paid $7 million last year also and it didn't light a fire under his ass. I don't expect a change of scenery to do more. Not being a number one may improve his production but I don't see him matching his last couple of years in Cincy.

Cry for Leinart all you want. He's not starter material an he had three years in Arizona to show he was and couldn't. I guess you think he deserves another three years of no moving an offense?

uPtoWnNY said:

Cerebus said:

I just don't agree with y'all about Lienart. I believe he was expected to be a savior, but was never given the chance to just be a player. My opinion in this regard is not going to change. He's still young, though, so only time will tell if he ever does anything more than ride the bench. If not, a career backup QB in the NFL is still a lifetime of good stories and enough money to never have to work after he retires. *shrug*

He'll get his chance in Houston. The book on Schaub is he's brittle as glass.

Schaub finished last season.

He'll be fine.

SUPRMAN said:

Cerebus said:

I just don't agree with y'all about Lienart. I believe he was expected to be a savior, but was never given the chance to just be a player. My opinion in this regard is not going to change. He's still young, though, so only time will tell if he ever does anything more than ride the bench. If not, a career backup QB in the NFL is still a lifetime of good stories and enough money to never have to work after he retires. *shrug*

Houshmanzadeh has pretty impressive stats over the last few years and won't have nearly the pressure to be the "go to" guy this season, so I'm still expecting something from him. Even if it's only when they do spread packages with four wide recievers. Gettin' paid seven million dollars to be cut could put a fire under his ass, too. Of course it could also make him not give a shit because he's already been paid.

Housh was paid $7 million last year also and it didn't light a fire under his ass. I don't expect a change of scenery to do more. Not being a number one may improve his production but I don't see him matching his last couple of years in Cincy.

Cry for Leinart all you want. He's not starter material an he had three years in Arizona to show he was and couldn't. I guess you think he deserves another three years of no moving an offense?

I'm not "crying" for Leinart, dude. And what three years? Matt Leinart was told ahead of time he was going to be the starter without threat of losing his job unless he was injured in Arizona for three years? No, he wasn't. First, as a rookie, he was expected to turn around a team that had been a joke for a decade. Then he played under the shadow of a HOF QB where he had no chance of actually starting. And I understand every QB can lose there job for any number of reasons, at any time. But Leinart has never really had the job in Arizona. There are no stats, figures or other proof you guys can provide to refute this fact. You're going to base his entire career on the 12 games he played in his rookie season? Please. I've been following the NFL for almost 30 years and Matt Leinart has in NO WAY been given a proper chance to learn and grow in a system as THE QB. His biggest fault is that he was drafted into the league at a time when college players of his stature are expected to immediately make a difference. Ninety-nine percent of them don't. Especially the offensive skills positions.

You're probably right about Houshmanzadeh, but I still think he's got something left in the tank. Plus, I just hate the Seahawks. I would've been pissed off playing there, too.

Cerebus said:

SUPRMAN said:

Housh was paid $7 million last year also and it didn't light a fire under his ass. I don't expect a change of scenery to do more. Not being a number one may improve his production but I don't see him matching his last couple of years in Cincy.

Cry for Leinart all you want. He's not starter material an he had three years in Arizona to show he was and couldn't. I guess you think he deserves another three years of no moving an offense?

I'm not "crying" for Leinart, dude. And what three years? Matt Leinart was told ahead of time he was going to be the starter without threat of losing his job unless he was injured in Arizona for three years? No, he wasn't. First, as a rookie, he was expected to turn around a team that had been a joke for a decade. Then he played under the shadow of a HOF QB where he had no chance of actually starting. And I understand every QB can lose there job for any number of reasons, at any time. But Leinart has never really had the job in Arizona. There are no stats, figures or other proof you guys can provide to refute this fact. You're going to base his entire career on the 12 games he played in his rookie season? Please. I've been following the NFL for almost 30 years and Matt Leinart has in NO WAY been given a proper chance to learn and grow in a system as THE QB. His biggest fault is that he was drafted into the league at a time when college players of his stature are expected to immediately make a difference. Ninety-nine percent of them don't. Especially the offensive skills positions.

You're probably right about Houshmanzadeh, but I still think he's got something left in the tank. Plus, I just hate the Seahawks. I would've been pissed off playing there, too.

All rookies aren't expected to contribute immediately.

A first round pick, unless you are a QB or WR, you'd better be able to.

Other than overall #1 Bradford, what other rookie QB is opening as a starter?

How many rookie WR's are starting?

[Edited 9/7/10 13:39pm]

uPtoWnNY said:

Cerebus said:

I just don't agree with y'all about Lienart. I believe he was expected to be a savior, but was never given the chance to just be a player. My opinion in this regard is not going to change. He's still young, though, so only time will tell if he ever does anything more than ride the bench. If not, a career backup QB in the NFL is still a lifetime of good stories and enough money to never have to work after he retires. *shrug*

He'll get his chance in Houston. The book on Schaub is he's brittle as glass.

But when he's on, he's on. I had him as a backup on my fantasy league last

year and he lit it up.

uPtoWnNY said:

phunkdaddy said:

Fuck TJ Douchmanadeh signed with the Ratbirds(Ravens).

Watch out for Baltimore this year - Rice, Mason, Boldin, Heap, Housh, along with a young, improving QB. Steelers better take notice.

Congrats to Revis - four years at $46mil, with nearly $32mil guaranteed. Smart deal. Without the guaranteed loot, NFL contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

The Ravens and Bengals will be tough this year. They have improved through

adding good veterans to their team. The steelers didnt't. What i do like about the steelers

this year is that they had a solid draft although i'm not enamored with their second round pick.

8 of 10 rookies made the squad. I expect half of those guys to make an impact their second

year.

I predict 8-8 for the Giants. Our defense has been a mess ever since Spags left and Strahan retired.

uPtoWnNY said:

I predict 8-8 for the Giants. Our defense has been a mess ever since Spags left and Strahan retired.

That is about right. My team will be about 5-11 (Sorry chumps)

Graycap23 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I predict 8-8 for the Giants. Our defense has been a mess ever since Spags left and Strahan retired.

That is about right. My team will be about 5-11 (Sorry chumps)

Don't poormouth them. If they stay healthy i can see them 9-7 easily.

I have a strong hunch they will decide who wins the division and i'm not

drinking the Vikings kool aid this season.

phunkdaddy said:

Graycap23 said:

That is about right. My team will be about 5-11 (Sorry chumps)

Don't poormouth them. If they stay healthy i can see them 9-7 easily.

I have a strong hunch they will decide who wins the division and i'm not

drinking the Vikings kool aid this season.

9-7. What are u basing that one?

They have 1 good coach: Martz and 5 good players on a 53 man roster.

10-6 for the 49er's. And some people are predicting more wins than that. I'd be VERY happy with 10-6 after the last few years.

Graycap23 said:

phunkdaddy said:

Don't poormouth them. If they stay healthy i can see them 9-7 easily.

I have a strong hunch they will decide who wins the division and i'm not

drinking the Vikings kool aid this season.

9-7. What are u basing that one?

They have 1 good coach: Martz and 5 good players on a 53 man roster.

A solid front seven and a qb who should benefit from Martz. A big key is Matt

Forte returning to his rookie form. I think Chester Taylor will bring the best out

in him. Cutler just needs to settle down and eliminate the mistakes. He doesn't

need to be Peyton Manning. Just be Jay Cutler. The Bears have more than 5

good players on their roster. It's also time to end the Devin Hester as a starter

at WR experiment.

I predict 9-7 for the Steelers.

phunkdaddy said:

I predict 9-7 for the Steelers.

You don't think they'll be better than that? My gut is telling me that the Steelers are still a really solid team with a VERY solid coach. I think they're going to surprise people this season, even with Rothlisberger out for four weeks.

phunkdaddy said:

Graycap23 said:

9-7. What are u basing that one?

They have 1 good coach: Martz and 5 good players on a 53 man roster.

A solid front seven and a qb who should benefit from Martz. A big key is Matt

Forte returning to his rookie form. I think Chester Taylor will bring the best out

in him. Cutler just needs to settle down and eliminate the mistakes. He doesn't

need to be Peyton Manning. Just be Jay Cutler. The Bears have more than 5

good players on their roster. It's also time to end the Devin Hester as a starter

at WR experiment.

I hope that u are correct.

I want 2 see Lovie and Angelo GONE!

Cerebus said:

10-6 for the 49er's. And some people are predicting more wins than that. I'd be VERY happy with 10-6 after the last few years.

The division is there for the taking. Cards will struggle without Warner and Boldin.

uPtoWnNY said:

Cerebus said:

10-6 for the 49er's. And some people are predicting more wins than that. I'd be VERY happy with 10-6 after the last few years.

The division is there for the taking. Cards will struggle without Warner and Boldin.

Totally agree, but I'm trying to keep my expectations somewhat reasonable. Our offense and defense should both be better this year. But "better" means something different for both of them. I just don't have a HUGE amount of confidence in our offense. It's hard to know for sure, though, because Singletary didn't play Smith a lot in the pre-season and Crabtree was pretty much kept under a blanket. Several of the tv talking heads who are usually pretty good at these things have put them at 11-5 and 12-4. But really, I'd be happy with 10-6 if that gave us the division.

Cerebus said:

phunkdaddy said:

I predict 9-7 for the Steelers.

You don't think they'll be better than that? My gut is telling me that the Steelers are still a really solid team with a VERY solid coach. I think they're going to surprise people this season, even with Rothlisberger out for four weeks.

They need to at least split the first four games without Big Ben. I'm just not that enthusiastic

about Dennis Dixon yet. Yes he has good athleticism but still doesn't go through his reads properly.

It also may take the o-line a few games to gel. I'm ready to get it popping though.

Cerebus said:

uPtoWnNY said:

The division is there for the taking. Cards will struggle without Warner and Boldin.

Totally agree, but I'm trying to keep my expectations somewhat reasonable. Our offense and defense should both be better this year. But "better" means something different for both of them. I just don't have a HUGE amount of confidence in our offense. It's hard to know for sure, though, because Singletary didn't play Smith a lot in the pre-season and Crabtree was pretty much kept under a blanket. Several of the tv talking heads who are usually pretty good at these things have put them at 11-5 and 12-4. But really, I'd be happy with 10-6 if that gave us the division.

8-8 should win the division. . . . .

The Niners may win it.

Smith is Losman West and they misuse Crabtree because they don't have a better QB.

Their defense was surprisingly good last year and I expect the same this year, but playing in a crappy division they may take games off.

SUPRMAN said:

Cerebus said:

Totally agree, but I'm trying to keep my expectations somewhat reasonable. Our offense and defense should both be better this year. But "better" means something different for both of them. I just don't have a HUGE amount of confidence in our offense. It's hard to know for sure, though, because Singletary didn't play Smith a lot in the pre-season and Crabtree was pretty much kept under a blanket. Several of the tv talking heads who are usually pretty good at these things have put them at 11-5 and 12-4. But really, I'd be happy with 10-6 if that gave us the division.

8-8 should win the division. . . . .

The Niners may win it.

Smith is Losman West and they misuse Crabtree because they don't have a better QB.

Their defense was surprisingly good last year and I expect the same this year, but playing in a crappy division they may take games off.

8-8 would be EXTREMELY disappointing even if it took the division. I'd rather have Leinart than Smith. And I fully expect Crabtree to be a completely different player this year (including the way they use him). He really wasn't part of the team last year.