chocolate1's gonna show you

howtaget an A!

i remember putting a coin on the stylus arm to weight it down. I'm so sure that the skip problem i had with the harrison lp was a manufacture's defect

Cinnie said:

chocolate1's gonna show you

howtaget an A!

I Love vinyl and have kept every record I have ever bought regardless of how bad the music.

I have never liked the cd format, I have never had the same personal attachment to a cd that i have towards vinyl. The cd was the transitional format that gave the music industry a short term financial shot in the arm from people making the transition from a vinyl collection to a "modern" digital form. People quickly found out that this new "modern" digital format on a shiny plastic disk was really not very practical and that the sound quality was not as good as the hype, to the fact they scratch and damage just as easy or easier than vinyl.

The cd initially made the music industry a lot of money, but it was a Trojan Horse, it unleashed the end of the music industry. When consumers found out they were able to easily rip, store and transfer music in your computer or other storage device, that was the end.The music industry as we had known it ended with the cd.

I love the mp3, flash devices, all digital & cloud based formats, I love the fact that I can have my favorite music with me anywhere and everywhere. I still love vinyl a lot more, but more as an esoteric impractical indulgence.

CNN said:

Most music was and still is recorded with analog technology.

Uhm, no.

CNN said:

"But perhaps the best part about vinyl is that it's tangible, iReporters say. It is something you can hold, unlike an MP3. Because it is tangible, it holds more meaning than a file on your computer.

Because it's "tangible, it holds more meaning"? Excuse me?

Not that I wouldn't use "analog technology" myself on a daily basis and sometimes for completely irrational reasons. Maybe I should add that to that other thread.

novabrkr said:

CNN said:

Most music was and still is recorded with analog technology.

Uhm, no.

Lolz

I still have my record player from when I was young and one in my room and all these records, and I have tons of CD's, it wasn't until a year ago I gave up on buying physical music cause of being broke. For certain artists I will thought.

I wish I had the Black Album on vinyl (the cheaper '94 issue... same audio quality)

There is a ton of NEW vinyl released each week. From all genres of music. If it's something that you love there's no reason to stick with just the old stuff. You'd probably be surprised how many new releases are also available on vinyl. In fact, they're often available on vinyl before they're released on CD.

ernestsewell said:

Can some of you guys w/ the skipping Lovesexy album find and print the numbers etched on the vinyl, and where the skips are? Might be an interesting comparison for folks.

I'm on vacation right now so I can't check. From what I remember it was the whole thing -- I put on Side A and it was just skipping throughout :eye: No. I think it's a Canadian pressing but I'm going by memory. (I back-collected my Prince vinyl.)

I think the low-end EQ is mastered hot and might make the stylus jump.

jone70 said:

I think the low-end EQ is mastered hot and might make the stylus jump.

yep!

jone70 said:

ernestsewell said:

Can some of you guys w/ the skipping Lovesexy album find and print the numbers etched on the vinyl, and where the skips are? Might be an interesting comparison for folks.

I'm on vacation right now so I can't check. From what I remember it was the whole thing -- I put on Side A and it was just skipping throughout :eye: No. I think it's a Canadian pressing but I'm going by memory. (I back-collected my Prince vinyl.)

I think the low-end EQ is mastered hot and might make the stylus jump.

Same with my two Lovesexy albums. They skip everywhere.

Vendetta1 said:

ernestsewell said:

Whatcha spinnin'?

Right now, the best of New Birth.

Dayum! A woman after my own heart! LOVE New Birth! Brings back good memories...

jone70 said:

ernestsewell said:

Can some of you guys w/ the skipping Lovesexy album find and print the numbers etched on the vinyl, and where the skips are? Might be an interesting comparison for folks.

I'm on vacation right now so I can't check. From what I remember it was the whole thing -- I put on Side A and it was just skipping throughout :eye: No. I think it's a Canadian pressing but I'm going by memory. (I back-collected my Prince vinyl.)

I think the low-end EQ is mastered hot and might make the stylus jump.

I think you may be right.

Interestingly enough, it tends to happen when the low frequencies are too spread over the stereo image. I guess there's more low frequency "energy" that way, as it's disputed unevenly across the two channels. The bass is more or less mono on LPs, which results in a tighter sound anyway. That's how they instruct to mix and master LPs that are sent to pressing plants these days.

Of course, people in the past decades weren't as obsessed with boosting the low frequencies as much as possible.

Cinnie said:

i went vinyl shopping today

novabrkr said:

Interestingly enough, it tends to happen when the low frequencies are too spread over the stereo image. I guess there's more low frequency "energy" that way, as it's disputed unevenly across the two channels. The bass is more or less mono on LPs, which results in a tighter sound anyway. That's how they instruct to mix and master LPs that are sent to pressing plants these days.

Of course, people in the past decades weren't as obsessed with boosting the low frequencies as much as possible.

Ahh

nd33 said:

Absolutely true. Mics and mic preamps are analogue and that'll never change. Prob not the way they meant it... Although there are still big name bands using analogue tape machines to record. There would be more except for the vast price difference between using tape and hard drives. A good tape machine sounds f'n superb and canes digital recordings ass.

Mics and preamps are used in the recording process, but that doesn't make the recordings analog themselves. For comparison: there are non-digital components inside digital cameras as well, but that doesn't make the photographs "analog" or even taken with "analog technology". But, yes, the expression in the original article was vague enough to begin with ("recorded with"). That's what made it possible for me to post that "uhm, no" comment anyway. It's just an inaccurate expression in the end.

A good tape machine sounds f'n superb, no objections there.

I would say that a 24 bit 196khz recording sounds as good as anything. The only difference with a reel to reel might be slight variations in speed, but I wouldn't count on it.

Anyone talking about warmth is really talking about EQ which can be done digitally too. In the chain of the actual recording if preferred.

Sorry, don't agree with the last point.

I've never heard a tape emulation plug-in that sounds like tape. It's simply not just an EQ curve that can be added to an existing signal.

novabrkr said:

Sorry, don't agree with the last point.

I've never heard a tape emulation plug-in that sounds like tape. It's simply not just an EQ curve that can be added to an existing signal.

I think the tape is NOT as good. The pure 24 bit 196 hz recording can sound warmer and more organic and true to the nature of the actual sounds.

The tape sounds more artificial and flattened due to it's limitations. But it's an effect. Like a special effect like record crackle is now. It's a nostalgic sound.

I'm listening to the full quality 24 bit 196 hz Beatles stuff on "Love". Of course this is like pure storage of the remixed multitrack reel to reel tapes. And my favorite song in the whole world is respectfully included without any mashup elements, compete... A Day in the Life.

(Most people don't know how to access that recording on the DVD. they are simply listening to the compressed standard dolby 5.1 tracks! I know some audiophile types who didn't know that they weren't hearing the best recording format on that DVD)

Yeah, you're sort of right when you're calling it an effect. It's comparable to that. I don't think even high-quality tape would be superior in technical terms to HD stuff. I don't myself buy the continuous vs. discrete -information argument that's used for reasoning tape's superiority. Tape can be simply used for a more pleasant, coloured sound for many genres of music. Digital works for better for ambient, soundtrack music, IDM and that type of genres.

It's just that a combination of tape distortion, tape compression and its frequency response characteristics haven't been successfully emulated. Couple that with analog summing and it's a big reason why older recordings sound the way they do - that's the element that's missing from many of those retro style records done today (Lifelike etc.). It's just a tighter, more mashed up sound. For example, I wondered for a long time how to get those 80s-style reverberated snares. I tried just about every trick in the book from different reverbs, compressors. bit degration etc. Never sounded like the real deal. Then I used a reel-to-reel and realized how important the tape element was in it. The reverb tails sounded entirely different from anything I've heard a plugin being able to do. Small details like that, just come off completely different on tape.

ufoclub said:

novabrkr said:

Sorry, don't agree with the last point.

I've never heard a tape emulation plug-in that sounds like tape. It's simply not just an EQ curve that can be added to an existing signal.

I think the tape is NOT as good. The pure 24 bit 196 hz recording can sound warmer and more organic and true to the nature of the actual sounds.

The tape sounds more artificial and flattened due to it's limitations. But it's an effect. Like a special effect like record crackle is now. It's a nostalgic sound.

I'm listening to the full quality 24 bit 196 hz Beatles stuff on "Love". Of course this is like pure storage of the remixed multitrack reel to reel tapes. And my favorite song in the whole world is respectfully included without any mashup elements, compete... A Day in the Life.

(Most people don't know how to access that recording on the DVD. they are simply listening to the compressed standard dolby 5.1 tracks! I know some audiophile types who didn't know that they weren't hearing the best recording format on that DVD)

Some of those tracks on "Love" sound gorgeous! They definitely wouldn't have the same magic if they hadn't been tracked to tape.

I've got one of these sitting in my studio:

http://www.reelproaudio.c...ive-4.html

Tracking drums through the tape sounds NOTHING like straight into the digital converters. Tracking to the tape machine has so much more depth and texture. Ear candy.

[Edited 8/17/10 12:27pm]

Holy krap.

I don't truly feel like I actually own a song unless I have it on vinyl. You can record a CD yourself and being a teenager of the 1980s who used to sit for hours and record songs off the radio or from records onto cassette, a song just doesn't feel like it's the original product if you can record a CD yourself.

novabrkr said:

Holy krap.

Theoretically analog has the ability to record more information... but often doesn't due to the impure passage of the sound and the medium on which it's recorded which has physical limitations. The same could be argued for digital in terms of an impure passage (like converters and processing) but it lacks the flaw of being colored by the medium.

But there could be a new analog recording method just around the corner with some kind of new way to store soundwave information that doesn't have the limitation of traditional analog materials.

Check out this link:

http://www.theabcd.com/index.html

I'd like to hear what people think about their results. Can't find any discussions.

I have a stack of vinyl in my closet WAITING for the day when I actually go out and buy a record player. I want to get one of those vinyl-to-mp3 conversion players (but I'm waiting for the prices to go down more).

BlackAdder7 said:

i remember putting a coin on the stylus arm to weight it down. I'm so sure that the skip problem i had with the harrison lp was a manufacture's defect

Holy cow - I remember doing that!

I like vinyl and I'd like to get a record player. I don't have either. Just one vinyl EP. But I'd do it.

Vinyl is incredibly bulky and I just don't simply have the room or space for it in my current place but I like the thought of vinyl.