jeami said:

FYI: ALL BLACK PEOPLE DON'T USE THE "N" WORD!

There are plently of Black folks that find that word offensive. They don't want anyone to use it, no matter what your color is. Some Black folks don't care one way or the other.

White folks don't understand these issues because they refuse to acknowledge that there is a racial hierarchy.

Whites are at the top and Blacks are at the bottom. Everyone else is somewhere in the middle. Many Whites don't want to lose "white privilege," so they just say it's not a big deal and move on.

WOW, just WOW!

PANDURITO said:

PDogz said:

The way some of you are defending Mel Gibson, makes me wonder what constitutes a true racist in your opinion. Because it's clear (...at least to me), that among many other things, Mel Gibson is about as racist as you can get, short of personally hanging a Black person from a tree, or placing a Jewish person in an oven.

And incidentally, as a Black person: I don't feel every White person is racist, nor do I refer to other Black people as "The N-word", in fact I'm firmly against ANYONE doing so. Neither do I refer to ANY racial group by the derogatory terms that have been assigned to them over time.

To me there's a more than slight difference between using a forbidden word in a heated argument and "hanging a Black person from a tree, or placing a Jewish person in an oven".

I wish America's history of racism (or the world for that matter) was just that. Words used against others.

Sadly it wasn't so. When did you forget that facts hurt more than words?

I really think that somewhere along the way America lost it. I'll tell you why I think so.

What if someone arrives home and finds a group of men raping his wife?

He takes out his gun and blows their heads off and everyone will applaud. Confess. They will.

BUT he uses the tabu word and all hell breaks loose.

Believe me, I know it's like that but I can't understand it and I don't want to understand it. I think it's insane, always from my point of view.

If he weren't racist, the word nigger would never have even entered his head to use as a description of a group of men raping her no matter how mad he was. He could have easily used a descriptive word for a gang of rapists such as a gang of criminals, thugs, assholes, bastards, motherfuckers, etc. but he chose to use the word nigger because that's how he views black people. A person's real thoughts come out when they are mad and it doesn't matter if there were no black people around because the point is, it's not a matter of whether black people were intended to hear the word or not, the point is, he said it in the first place regardless. The fact that he uses the word or even thinks the word makes him a racist. Yes, he has the right to use the word if he wants to. No, it's not against the law. But black people also have the right to not like him because he uses it. Actually, it would turn me on to watch some of them whoop his ass for using it.

SCNDLS said:

SUPRMAN said:

Because mothers never get angry?!

He was pissed and reacted.

We all do. Doesn't make you an unfit parent . . . .

If you think this a normal angry reaction, I don't know who you've been hanging out with.

Anyone who regularly communicates this way or resorts to physical violence against a woman holding a baby, as evidenced by the various tapes, has serious issues and poses a threat to that baby, even if it's not a physical one.

If this is how he regularly communicates, how they end up with a child together?

My parents behaved a lot worse than this and neither of them went to jail . . . . ..

My parents were verbally and physically abusive toward everyone in the house . . .

SUPRMAN said:

But here in Oakland, the N word is no longer "a Black thing."

Every person of color in Oakland uses the N word, in public, around Black folks even.

It's not like I can tell them they have to be Black to use it. They obviously don't.

In a cultural sense they way it's used, I can't call it racist.

Same here in NYC. Black & latino teens do it all the time. It's annoying, but that's our fucked-up culture.

zaza said:

TonyVanDam said:

OFF-TOPIC (again!): And who in hell told you that crap?!?

Seriously, who were the orgers that told you that bullshit lie? Who in the hell would go behind my back and tell you all of this crap about me that not even true? If I didn't know any better, I would figure that you might be making all of this story up just to cover you own tracks of everything that you might have said about me behind my back.

Just saying.

Now you made me laugh I've had enough of this. You can discuss about Mel again. Just throw your own truths against each other. I'm going away.

For course you would if all that you ever done for the last few posts in THIS very thread has been nothing but more lies on your part!

@ everyone else......All that I asked from Zaza was for the names of the orgers that told him these lies AND fault negative comments about me behind my back, and now all of the sudden he going to run out of this thread like a coward. If THIS isn't a perfect example of someone that can NEVER be fully trusted at 100%, I don't know what is.

And no, I'm not prejudging anyone. I'm going by the very words that Zaza is using as evidence of what I know now.

vainandy said:

If he weren't racist, the word nigger would never have even entered his head to use as a description of a group of men raping her no matter how mad he was. He could have easily used a descriptive word for a gang of rapists such as a gang of criminals, thugs, assholes, bastards, motherfuckers, etc. but he chose to use the word nigger because that's how he views black people. A person's real thoughts come out when they are mad and it doesn't matter if there were no black people around because the point is, it's not a matter of whether black people were intended to hear the word or not, the point is, he said it in the first place regardless. The fact that he uses the word or even thinks the word makes him a racist. Yes, he has the right to use the word if he wants to. No, it's not against the law. But black people also have the right to not like him because he uses it. Actually, it would turn me on to watch some of them whoop his ass for using it.

vainandy said:

PANDURITO said:

To me there's a more than slight difference between using a forbidden word in a heated argument and "hanging a Black person from a tree, or placing a Jewish person in an oven".

I wish America's history of racism (or the world for that matter) was just that. Words used against others.

Sadly it wasn't so. When did you forget that facts hurt more than words?

I really think that somewhere along the way America lost it. I'll tell you why I think so.

What if someone arrives home and finds a group of men raping his wife?

He takes out his gun and blows their heads off and everyone will applaud. Confess. They will.

BUT he uses the tabu word and all hell breaks loose.

Believe me, I know it's like that but I can't understand it and I don't want to understand it. I think it's insane, always from my point of view.

If he weren't racist, the word nigger would never have even entered his head to use as a description of a group of men raping her no matter how mad he was. He could have easily used a descriptive word for a gang of rapists such as a gang of criminals, thugs, assholes, bastards, motherfuckers, etc. but he chose to use the word nigger because that's how he views black people. A person's real thoughts come out when they are mad and it doesn't matter if there were no black people around because the point is, it's not a matter of whether black people were intended to hear the word or not, the point is, he said it in the first place regardless. The fact that he uses the word or even thinks the word makes him a racist. Yes, he has the right to use the word if he wants to. No, it's not against the law. But black people also have the right to not like him because he uses it. Actually, it would turn me on to watch some of them whoop his ass for using it.

Thank you.

SUPRMAN said:

SCNDLS said:

If you think this a normal angry reaction, I don't know who you've been hanging out with.

Anyone who regularly communicates this way or resorts to physical violence against a woman holding a baby, as evidenced by the various tapes, has serious issues and poses a threat to that baby, even if it's not a physical one.

If this is how he regularly communicates, how they end up with a child together?

My parents behaved a lot worse than this and neither of them went to jail . . . . ..

My parents were verbally and physically abusive toward everyone in the house . . .

Just cuz they didn't go to jail, doesn't mean they shouldn't have. Fucked up people have kids together all the time. And maybe he acted normal until he realized he couldn't control her then he started bugging. That's typical of abusers who are often quite charming initially. Regardless, he still poses a threat to both of them.

TonyVanDam said:

vainandy said:

PANDURITO said:

To me there's a more than slight difference between using a forbidden word in a heated argument and "hanging a Black person from a tree, or placing a Jewish person in an oven".

I wish America's history of racism (or the world for that matter) was just that. Words used against others.

Sadly it wasn't so. When did you forget that facts hurt more than words?

I really think that somewhere along the way America lost it. I'll tell you why I think so.

What if someone arrives home and finds a group of men raping his wife?

He takes out his gun and blows their heads off and everyone will applaud. Confess. They will.

BUT he uses the tabu word and all hell breaks loose.

Believe me, I know it's like that but I can't understand it and I don't want to understand it. I think it's insane, always from my point of view.

If he weren't racist, the word nigger would never have even entered his head to use as a description of a group of men raping her no matter how mad he was. He could have easily used a descriptive word for a gang of rapists such as a gang of criminals, thugs, assholes, bastards, motherfuckers, etc.

That's how I see it.

SUPRMAN said:

PDogz said:

The way some of you are defending Mel Gibson, makes me wonder what constitutes a true racist in your opinion. Because it's clear (...at least to me), that among many other things, Mel Gibson is about as racist as you can get, short of personally hanging a Black person from a tree, or placing a Jewish person in an oven.

And incidentally, as a Black person: I don't feel every White person is racist, nor do I refer to other Black people as "The N-word", in fact I'm firmly against ANYONE doing so. Neither do I refer to ANY racial group by the derogatory terms that have been assigned to them over time.

Is anyone using the N word racist?

No.

SUPRMAN said:

PDogz said:

I appreciate you sharing how you would feel under similar circumstances, and I will accept that as YOUR truth.

But are you saying it's okay to use such a derogatory term for Black people as long as no Black people are around? Like: That doesn't count toward racism?

What does count as racist?

My actions? My words?

How my words are interpreted by others?

I guess it's imperative to be PC even alone . . . . .

I think it's a combination of those things, which seem to mirror what's inside a person.

zaza said:

TonyVanDam said:

For course you would if all that you ever done for the last few posts in THIS very thread has been nothing but more lies on your part!

@ everyone else......All that I asked from Zaza was for the names of the orgers that told him these lies AND fault negative comments about me behind my back, and now all of the sudden he going to run out of this thread like a coward. If THIS isn't a perfect example of someone that can NEVER be fully trusted at 100%, I don't know what is.

And no, I'm not prejudging anyone. I'm going by the very words that Zaza is using as evidence of what I know now.

I won't tell you their names, because they're friends. So I'd rather go away than got the "bad friend" label.

Since there is a "no snitching policy" involved with you and your "friends", I'll apologize for thinking that you're a coward.........for now.

But be as it may, your "friends" do NOT know what the hell they talking about. And I can very easily accuse them for being prejudice toward me behind my back by telling you a whole bunch of lies about me. And yes, you can tell you sorry excuses for "friends" that I said so.

1. Jokes in general do NOT offend me. But it the way that some people tell the joke that can be taken as hurtful.

2. I do NOT think that all white folks are racist. But some of them are. I also do NOT think that all blacks, latinos, OR asians are racist. But some of them are. But of course, your "friends" have failed to tell you that I've said this in many threads before.

Next time around if you have any questions about what I said OR what I didn't say, you're better off asking me directly. Because sometimes, some people like your "friends" will not know all of the facts at all.

Think about it.

TonyVanDam said:

SUPRMAN said:

Harlepolis said:

Poor baby!

Now she's gonna suffer this scumbag because of an indifferent and MONEY driven law system.

Had Mel been your avarage Joe, he wouldn't be within 10 feet of that child without supervision. And he would've been ordered to seek some help for her sake too.

How does that explain Elin and Tiger?

I haven't followed their big blown out charade like I should've. But if he put his hands on her(whether she was holding a baby or not) and clearly showed signs of instability like Mel, then he shouldn't be near any babies without supervision as well and also seek help.

zaza said:

TonyVanDam said:

Since there is a "no snitching policy" involved with you and your "friends", I'll apologize for thinking that you're a coward.........for now.

But be as it may, your "friends" do NOT know what the hell they talking about. And I can very easily accuse them for being prejudice toward me behind my back by telling you a whole bunch of lies about me. And yes, you can tell you sorry excuses for "friends" that I said so.

1. Jokes in general do NOT offend me. But it the way that some people tell the joke that can be taken as hurtful.

2. I do NOT think that all white folks are racist. But some of them are. I also do NOT think that all blacks, latinos, OR asians are racist. But some of them are. But of course, your "friends" have failed to tell you that I've said this in many threads before.

Next time around if you have any questions about what I said OR what I didn't say, you're better off asking me directly. Because sometimes, some people like your "friends" will not know all of the facts at all.

Think about it.

Now this is much better conversation. Peace?

Yes, feud's over.

It wasn't Tiger's hands or where he was putting them that was the problem.

uPtoWnNY said:

vainandy said:

But black people also have the right to not like him because he uses it. Actually, it would turn me on to watch some of them whoop his ass for using it.

A " group of black people" beating a white man because they don't like the words he uses.

You said it, not me.

Oh and it would turn you on.

Interesting Very interesting

PANDURITO said:

uPtoWnNY said:

A " group of black people" beating a white man because they don't like the words he uses.

You said it, not me.

Oh and it would turn you on.

Interesting Very interesting

Just so you know, Vainandy is a white man.

But knowing you Pandurito, you'll think out of context that Vainandy is racist toward his own white folks. But he's not.

PANDURITO said:

uPtoWnNY said:

A " group of black people" beating a white man because they don't like the words he uses.

You said it, not me.

Oh and it would turn you on.

Interesting Very interesting

Lets stick with the subject and leave the mind games for kids, ok?

The fact of the matter is:

1. The man is abusive. It has been proved.

2. The man is unstable. It has been proved.

3. YES! The man is racist. It has been proved.

Its cute how some of you dance around the big pink elephant and resort to mind games to camouflage it. Not working at all, though.

TonyVanDam said:

PANDURITO said:

A " group of black people" beating a white man because they don't like the words he uses.

You said it, not me.

Oh and it would turn you on.

Interesting Very interesting

Just so you know, Vainandy is a white man.

So is Mel Gibson

Cerebus said:

It's threads like these that instill me with a great deal of confidence regarding my belief that the HUMAN race is going to fail miserably.

So sad I'ma just quote myself.

Harlepolis said:

PANDURITO said:

A " group of black people" beating a white man because they don't like the words he uses.

You said it, not me.

Oh and it would turn you on.

Interesting Very interesting

Lets stick with the subject and leave the mind games for kids, ok?

The fact of the matter is:

1. The man is abusive. It has been proved.

2. The man is unstable. It has been proved.

3. YES! The man is racist. It has been proved.

Its cute how some of you dance around the big pink elephant and resort to mind games to camouflage it. Not working at all, though.

It's as if some people don't want to believe that Mel really is the villain in all of this hot mess.

TonyVanDam said:

It's as if some people don't want to believe that Mel really is the villain in all of this hot mess.

Some people? The judge in the custody case, for example ?

PANDURITO said:

JustErin said:

My guess is that the dude is more like this in his private life and it has nothing to do with alcohol. I was agreeing with comment about Tony made that Uptowny highlighted.

And I'm a fucking nightmare when I am drunk and angry.

My guess is you're charming when you're not drunk and angry.

See? I'm better than you all

I'm a mean, mean bitch.

JustErin said:

PANDURITO said:

My guess is you're charming when you're not drunk and angry.

See? I'm better than you all

I'm a mean, mean bitch.

Do men like you more when you're sober OR drunk?

JustErin said:

PANDURITO said:

My guess is you're charming when you're not drunk and angry.

See? I'm better than you all

I'm a mean, mean bitch.

TonyVanDam said:

JustErin said:

I'm a mean, mean bitch.

Do men like you more when you're sober OR drunk?

Sober.

PANDURITO said:

JustErin said:

I'm a mean, mean bitch.

I know, I know.

SUPRMAN said:

BklynBabe said:

Dis some boolshit!! hope ex-wife is enjoying that bonus paycheck. You can clearly tell ole dude has an anger management condition and should not be around children at this time.

PS why people get so hung up over what Black people call ourselves. Just because I may call myself a bitch doesn't mean everyone in the world gets to call me a bitch!

PS2 Whoopi's opinion don't mean shit to me. Opinions are like assholes....Mel Gibson is clearly an asshole!

Because it's the same word regardless of who is using it.

The idea that the color of your skin changes the meaning or intent of a word is ridiculous.

But that's how we treat it.

But here in Oakland, the N word is no longer "a Black thing."

Every person of color in Oakland uses the N word, in public, around Black folks even.

It's not like I can tell them they have to be Black to use it. They obviously don't.

In a cultural sense they way it's used, I can't call it racist.

*crosses Oakland off the vacation list*