uPtoWnNY said:

TonyVanDam said:And by Mel saying specifically that he wished for his ex-girlfriend to get rape by a "pack of n***ers" comfirms to me that he has been hiding deep negative opinions about black folks (especially black men) throughout his whole life.

Exactly, otherwise why even bring that mess up? Why would that even cross your mind?

Alcohol and anger are the great revealers.

Exactly.

JustErin said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Alcohol and anger are the great revealers.

Exactly.

So I'm guessing we don't know you at all.

To know the real uPtoWnNY and JustErin you have to cath them drunk and angry.

Interesting

TonyVanDam said:

zaza said:

PDogz said:

I realize we're discussing a very sensitive topic, so I want to tread very cautiously. But when you say "black FOKS" (...assuming you mean "Black Folks") are you suggesting that everyone that is Black is racist? Because that's what happens when you speak in absolutes. Then, are you suggesting that you've extrapolated from this forum that all Black people think EVERY SINGLE WHITE PERSON is racist? Because again, you're using absolutes. Then finally, are you suggesting all Black people refer to each other with the "N" word? Because if these things are true as you have written them, you need to get out more.

Are you talking with me or with Tony? Because Tony wrote BLACK FOKS, I tried to turn it to joke. But the last time I did that, Tony called me a "f*cking idiot* for no reason.

OFF TOPIC: If you talking about that incident in the big booty thread, I called you an "idiot" because I didn't find the way that you mocked my comments (via editing) funny at all. As a matter of fact, I found your actions so uncomfortable that I've NEVER return to that thread ever since.

uPtoWnNY said:

Alcohol and anger are the great revealers.

...and also a very dangerous combination.

PANDURITO said:

JustErin said:

Exactly.

So I'm guessing we don't know you at all.

To know the real uPtoWnNY and JustErin you have to cath them drunk and angry.

Interesting

My guess is that the dude is more like this in his private life and it has nothing to do with alcohol. I was agreeing with comment about Tony made that Uptowny highlighted.

And I'm a fucking nightmare when I am drunk and angry.

TonyVanDam said:

TonyVanDam said:

Mel's secret weapon was his own soon to be ex-wife speaking in his defense!

that's AMAZING!! awesome! Mel's a genius!

It's threads like these that instill me with a great deal of confidence regarding my belief that the HUMAN race is going to fail miserably.

JustErin said:

My guess is that the dude is more like this in his private life and it has nothing to do with alcohol. I was agreeing with comment about Tony made that Uptowny highlighted.

And I'm a fucking nightmare when I am drunk and angry.

My guess is you're charming when you're not drunk and angry.

See? I'm better than you all

TonyVanDam said:

And excuse you, but I'm a black man.

I didn't realize that until just now, lol. (not that it matters in regards to this topic)

Cerebus said:

It's threads like these that instill me with a great deal of confidence regarding my belief that the HUMAN race is going to fail miserably.

relax

this is just another Hollywood scandal featuring an old, bizarre and decadent ex-star...

chill

[Edited 7/20/10 12:45pm]

zaza said:

TonyVanDam said:

1. Excuse me for not using spell check like I should have. I was saying "black folks".

2. And excuse you, but I'm a black man. I AM one of those black folks.

3. GTFO of here with those fake charges that you're laying against me.

--First of all, I'm not racist.

--Second of all, don't you dare put f***ing words in my mouth. I have NEVER accuse every single white person on planet earth for being a racist. And you definitely don't know WTF you talking about based on the way that you're prejudging me.

I can say whatever I want just like you could call me a fucking idiot in the other thread for just one silly joke, then when I sent you an orgnote you didn't even bother to reply.

OFF-TOPIC: Reply for what? I was already disappointed with your "joke" that I didn't find funny at all, never mind that it made me feel uncomfortable. And then you try to justify your actions on your orgnote like I'm the one with the personal problem?!?

GTFO of here with that "after the fact" bullshit!

[Edited 7/20/10 12:53pm]

TonyVanDam said:

zaza said:

TonyVanDam said: I can say whatever I want just like you could call me a fucking idiot in the other thread for just one silly joke, then when I sent you an orgnote you didn't even bother to reply.

OFF-TOPIC: Reply for what? I was already disappointed with your "joke" that I didn't find funny at all, never mind that it made me feel uncomfortable. And then you try to justify your actions on your orgnote like I'm the one with the personal problem?!?

GTFO of her with that "after the fact" bullshit!

Well, damn. Fuckaz kill me apologizing for shit by orgnote then being offended when you could care less. Ummm, if it's that important to make amends do it on the thread instead of trynna skate thru the back door. Otherwise, keep that shit to yourself.

TonyVanDam said:

zaza said:

TonyVanDam said:

OFF TOPIC: If you talking about that incident in the big booty thread, I called you an "idiot" because I didn't find the way that you mocked my comments (via editing) funny at all. As a matter of fact, I found your actions so uncomfortable that I've NEVER return to that thread ever since.

You called me a fucking idiot. And it's not off-topic, because when I asked about you after that incident, I found out that you think the world is full of racist and you're offended with anything, even with a stupid joke. You could have sent me an "ok, I take your apologise" orgnote.

OFF-TOPIC (again!): And who in the hell told you that crap?!?

Seriously, who were the orgers that told you that bullshit lie? Who in the hell would go behind my back and tell you all of this crap about me that not even true? If I didn't know any better, I would figure that you might be making all of this story up just to cover you own tracks of everything that you might have said about me behind my back.

Just saying.

[Edited 7/20/10 12:56pm]

TonyVanDam said:

Ottensen said:

They gave that crazy motherfucka continued custody of that baby???

That is why it's a serious WTF moment.

Because mothers never get angry?!

He was pissed and reacted.

We all do. Doesn't make you an unfit parent . . . .

TonyVanDam said:

zaza said:

TonyVanDam said: Isn't it funny that by saying "f-ck him" you are acting a little bit like him? He's white, so your comment could be racist as well. Just saying.

I sorry, but I'm black. And I have the right to be disappointed with Mel Gibson OR everyone else of any skin color that thinks of black folks as a "pack of n***ers" however I please.

And telling someone a statement is NOT racist. So I do NOT understand your logic at all.

[Edited 7/20/10 12:05pm]

Was his comment a reference to all Black males? No.

If it's unacceptable language from him (profanity) it should be for those condemning him as well.

SUPRMAN said:

TonyVanDam said:

That is why it's a serious WTF moment.

Because mothers never get angry?!

He was pissed and reacted.

We all do. Doesn't make you an unfit parent . . . .

If you think this a normal angry reaction, I don't know who you've been hanging out with.

Anyone who regularly communicates this way or resorts to physical violence against a woman holding a baby, as evidenced by the various tapes, has serious issues and poses a threat to that baby, even if it's not a physical one.

TonyVanDam said:

JoeTyler said:

Cerebus said:

It's threads like these that instill me with a great deal of confidence regarding my belief that the HUMAN race is going to fail miserably.

relax

this is just another Hollywood scandal featuring an old, bizarre and decadent ex-star...

chill

[Edited 7/20/10 12:45pm]

Thank you for so BRILLIANTLY proving my point. And with such alacrity as well!

All the comments on this thread and you picked mine as the one where you needed to tell the writer to both relax and chill.

I'm absolutely positive that you've completely and totally misunderstood the meaning of my comment.

PANDURITO said:

PDogz said:

Then why assign RAPISTS to ANY particular racial group, if it was solely about RAPISTS. Why couldn't it had been "a pack of [insert derogatory term for a racial/ethnic group other than Black here]" if it was only about a "hypothetical" band of rapists?

And then, to be clear: You feel it's okay he characterized a "group of rapists" as a "pack of niggers"? Like: "Why should we care?" Seriously, are you suggesting that Black people should not be offended that he characterized a group of "hypothetical" rapists as a "pack of niggers"? Respectfully, I'm honestly looking for clarification of your statement.

Yes. If he used the "worst words you can think of" to describe a group of white guys raping a woman I wouldn't feel offended at all (I'm white, I think).

Plus I don't think when you're shouting in anger, really, really angry, you stop and think of the most appropriate words to say. He purposedly tried to sound as nasty as he could. And he used the worst terms he could think of.

Bear in mind there was no black people around. He didn't try to offend anybody but her.

Co-sign

PDogz said:

The way some of you are defending Mel Gibson, makes me wonder what constitutes a true racist in your opinion. Because it's clear (...at least to me), that among many other things, Mel Gibson is about as racist as you can get, short of personally hanging a Black person from a tree, or placing a Jewish person in an oven.

And incidentally, as a Black person: I don't feel every White person is racist, nor do I refer to other Black people as "The N-word", in fact I'm firmly against ANYONE doing so. Neither do I refer to ANY racial group by the derogatory terms that have been assigned to them over time.

Is anyone using the N word racist?

PDogz said:

PANDURITO said:

Yes. If he used the "worst words you can think of" to describe a group of white guys raping a woman I wouldn't feel offended at all (I'm white, I think).

Plus I don't think when you're shouting in anger, really, really angry, you stop and think of the most appropriate words to say. He purposedly tried to sound as nasty as he could. And he used the worst terms he could think of.

Bear in mind there was no black people around. He didn't try to offend anybody but her.

I appreciate you sharing how you would feel under similar circumstances, and I will accept that as YOUR truth.

But are you saying it's okay to use such a derogatory term for Black people as long as no Black people are around? Like: That doesn't count toward racism?

What does count as racist?

My actions? My words?

How my words are interpreted by others?

I guess it's imperative to be PC even alone . . . . .

Harlepolis said:

Poor baby!

Now she's gonna suffer this scumbag because of an indifferent and MONEY driven law system.

Had Mel been your avarage Joe, he wouldn't be within 10 feet of that child without supervision. And he would've been ordered to seek some help for her sake too.

How does that explain Elin and Tiger?

Yeah, but when your in a rant like that you use words that are commonly already used in your vocabulary. Cuz you DON'T stop to think of insulting words, they just flow out. IMO that word shouldn't be in anyones vocabulary.

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Yeah, but when your in a rant like that you use words that are commonly already used in your vocabulary. Cuz you DON'T stop to think of insulting words, they just flow out. IMO that word shouldn't be in anyones vocabulary.

+1

BklynBabe said:

Dis some boolshit!! hope ex-wife is enjoying that bonus paycheck. You can clearly tell ole dude has an anger management condition and should not be around children at this time.

PS why people get so hung up over what Black people call ourselves. Just because I may call myself a bitch doesn't mean everyone in the world gets to call me a bitch!

PS2 Whoopi's opinion don't mean shit to me. Opinions are like assholes....Mel Gibson is clearly an asshole!

Because it's the same word regardless of who is using it.

The idea that the color of your skin changes the meaning or intent of a word is ridiculous.

But that's how we treat it.

But here in Oakland, the N word is no longer "a Black thing."

Every person of color in Oakland uses the N word, in public, around Black folks even.

It's not like I can tell them they have to be Black to use it. They obviously don't.

In a cultural sense they way it's used, I can't call it racist.

JustErin said:

My guess is that the dude is more like this in his private life and it has nothing to do with alcohol.

That's when you learn the truth about a person, when you live with him/her and see them in their private life.

zaza said:

TonyVanDam said:

OFF-TOPIC: Reply for what? I was already disappointed with your "joke" that I didn't find funny at all, never mind that it made me feel uncomfortable. And then you try to justify your actions on your orgnote like I'm the one with the personal problem?!?

GTFO of her with that "after the fact" bullshit!

What the fuck are you talking about? I wanted to apologise because I felt bad and you are saying that orgnote was pointing to your personal problems? Man, are you serious? If you called me a fucking idiot FOR NO REASON, then I could you call you whatever I want, but I won't do that.

You don't understand.....

Even on the same orgnote where you "apologize" for you actions, you still was trying to make it look like I wasn't entitled to be upset AND disappointed about what your did (the "joke" that did not find funny at all) that inspired me to think of you as a "f***ing idiot".

For all that it's worth, I wanted to accept you apology and move on. But I was not going to do it under the context of the way you said it on that orgnote.