Anyone see the movie Inception?

Reply #61 posted 07/25/10 1:07pm

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Reply #62 posted 07/25/10 7:57pm

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Why do the nay sayers have to tear this movie to shreds?

Why cant we just suspend all disbelief for 2 hrs & enjoy a true reality escape?

I SURE DID!

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Reply #63 posted 07/25/10 9:34pm

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purplesweat said:

I don't get why people are so sensitive about hyped movies - they either go in expecting the cinema to melt from sheer awesome then wonder why they're dissappointed or avoid it completely just because people get excited about it.

How about deciding for yourself instead of listening to everyone else?

Anyway, I loved it. I think this overly critical, super quick judgmental generation are the only ones who could manage to talk an achievement like this down.

Hi Purplesweat

I'm not trying to start a fight, but I don't understand where any of this is coming from in light of this thread.

I think I'm the only person on here that didn't like it. The critics are raving about it and it's got about an 85% approval rating from the fans on sites that register that stuff, so who is being "super quick and judgmental"? I am clearly in the VAST minority here.

The movie was OK, but didn't nearly have enough plot for my taste. That doesn't make me right or anyone else wrong. I just like to have characters in my movies. Again, all everyone is talking about is the theories behind what's real and what's not. Your two links further that point.

Twists and turns don't mean shiite to me if I don't care who is pulling the strings. That's plays more like watching a magic act than watching a really good story unfold.

Again, not trying to argue, I just don't understand where your thoughts are coming from when everyone else has said they really liked it and I gave clear reasons as to why I didn't.

It's not specifically this thread, I've just noticed a general animosity towards the film because of the hype surrounding it. It's a film that deserves its hype, I think even people who didn't like it can agree that it's good value, much better than say another Date Movie or Saw sequel stinking up the screens. People often like to complain about the crap Hollywood spews out (whether it be music, film etc) but then when something fully deserving of excitement and praise comes along, the public finds ways to bring it down or find little things wrong with it instead of just enjoying it for what it is.

I agree the characters maybe could've been fleshed out more but really, it was Leo's characters story and we learned all about him, the rest were just bit players in his game. I'm not saying the film was perfect but I get annoyed when I see people so ambivalent because of hype - make up your own mind first!

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Reply #64 posted 07/26/10 12:38am

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS

Questions to ask yourself after this film if you though it was easily cut and dry:

1) If Leo and his lady grew old in their dream world then how long must they have been asleep in the real world if his wife WAS wrong in believing they were in a dream within a dream - perhaps Leo was wrong all along.

2) throughout the film we are told that 3 dreams deep is as far as you can go...yet Leo and Elken Pages character go 4.

3 if the end wasn't a dream too then how come Leos kids haven't aged, are in exactly the same position as he remembers them from years before

4 Whis been training these people to resist the dreams

5) is the whole film us watching Leo sabotaging his the many layers of his own dreams to wake himself up (as is the end) and return home to his waiting wife and kids - has he been the subject of inception?

6) that totem isn't his is it? His wife know exactly how it feels and weighs ...does that have an influence on his perceived realities?

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Reply #65 posted 07/26/10 5:16am

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SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS Questions to ask yourself after this film if you though it was easily cut and dry: 1) If Leo and his lady grew old in their dream world then how long must they have been asleep in the real world if his wife WAS wrong in believing they were in a dream within a dream - perhaps Leo was wrong all along. 2) throughout the film we are told that 3 dreams deep is as far as you can go...yet Leo and Elken Pages character go 4. 3 if the end wasn't a dream too then how come Leos kids haven't aged, are in exactly the same position as he remembers them from years before 4 Whis been training these people to resist the dreams 5) is the whole film us watching Leo sabotaging his the many layers of his own dreams to wake himself up (as is the end) and return home to his waiting wife and kids - has he been the subject of inception? 6) that totem isn't his is it? His wife know exactly how it feels and weighs ...does that have an influence on his perceived realities?

1. Time in limbo (or dream world) goes slower than reality.

2. I think they went to limbo not another dream level, if that makes sense. They weren't able to dream up another level, they were only able to go to limbo.

3. It's never specified how long he's had to stay away from the kids. Michael Caine's character didn't look surprised to see him @ the school so maybe he'd only been away for a few months. His last sight of them before having to leave was of them facing away from him like that, so that's just how he remembered them in each dream. It was probably just a coincidence they were in the same spot, the point is them turning around is supposed to show they're real.

4. Well, Cillian Murphy's character is very wealthy so...

5. The point of the film is he's a thought stealer who strikes dream deals with powerful businessmen to get money. The Asian guy offers him a chance to be let back into the States if he helps him intercept Murphy's character - who is looking to become a corrupt superpower like his father. They want to essentially repair his relationship with his dad so he'll remain the good guy he is and not take over due to bitterness and greed. Intertwined with all of that is Leo's overriding guilt that he couldn't save his wife from killing herself. That interferes in his dreams as well as the others when they are all connected. His wife is dead throughout the whole film, he was never returning home to HER and the kids - just the kids. It's ambiguous as to whether he was subjected to inception himself.

6. Not sure about this one.

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Reply #66 posted 07/26/10 5:58am

purplesweat said:

purpledoveuk said:

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS Questions to ask yourself after this film if you though it was easily cut and dry: 1) If Leo and his lady grew old in their dream world then how long must they have been asleep in the real world if his wife WAS wrong in believing they were in a dream within a dream - perhaps Leo was wrong all along. 2) throughout the film we are told that 3 dreams deep is as far as you can go...yet Leo and Elken Pages character go 4. 3 if the end wasn't a dream too then how come Leos kids haven't aged, are in exactly the same position as he remembers them from years before 4 Whis been training these people to resist the dreams 5) is the whole film us watching Leo sabotaging his the many layers of his own dreams to wake himself up (as is the end) and return home to his waiting wife and kids - has he been the subject of inception? 6) that totem isn't his is it? His wife know exactly how it feels and weighs ...does that have an influence on his perceived realities?

1. Time in limbo (or dream world) goes slower than reality.

2. I think they went to limbo not another dream level, if that makes sense. They weren't able to dream up another level, they were only able to go to limbo.

4. Well, Cillian Murphy's character is very wealthy so...

6. Not sure about this one.

In answer to your first point that's what I was getting at - I meant that if they were only 1 level down as Leo claimed then they would still have been asleep for years and years in the real world.

If they were 2 or more layers down then time folds dramatically and his wife was right all along.

I'm pretty sure he says himself that it's been years and that his kids will gave changed.

All of this means that...he's the one that's been asleep the whole time and only at the end does he really wake up after having an inception of his own...his kids are there, his wife is there and hardly any time has passed.

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Reply #67 posted 07/26/10 6:00am

purpledoveuk	...plus isn't it odd that when he's going 'on the run' there's a guy helping him with plane tickets ready....and he wakes up at the end on a plane.
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Reply #68 posted 07/26/10 8:08am

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just saw it yesterday. i usaully try to avoid trailers and reviews before i see movies, but i couldn't miss all the talk about this one.

i thought it was excellent. i loved the style of it, also cillian murphy was such a treat.

love him. and leonardo has grown into himself so much.

def one of my fav actors at the moment.

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Reply #69 posted 07/26/10 8:11am

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sonic said:

I didnt read any of the reviews b/c i didnt want to be influenced...anywho...saw it last night & thought it was amazing!~

i was glued to the screen. it was pretty complex & i will be buying it when it comes out on DVD. but i give it a 9/10 for sheer originality.

Hubby was sitting next to me & he was not impressed... so you will either love it or hate it (imo)

i have a 2 questions...what did the son say to his father on his death bed? i know the first word was "disapointed"....

& what was leo's Totem? i know his wifes was the spinning top right?

i missed the death bed words too, because some asshole behind me took a call on his phone!

the totem thing was very confusing. esp when he spins it in the safe, was that to make her realise that they weren't in reality?

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Reply #70 posted 07/26/10 10:41am

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sonic said:

I didnt read any of the reviews b/c i didnt want to be influenced...anywho...saw it last night & thought it was amazing!~

i was glued to the screen. it was pretty complex & i will be buying it when it comes out on DVD. but i give it a 9/10 for sheer originality.

Hubby was sitting next to me & he was not impressed... so you will either love it or hate it (imo)

i have a 2 questions...what did the son say to his father on his death bed? i know the first word was "disapointed"....

& what was leo's Totem? i know his wifes was the spinning top right?

i missed the death bed words too, because some asshole behind me took a call on his phone!

the totem thing was very confusing. esp when he spins it in the safe, was that to make her realise that they weren't in reality?

Yes he safe represent where she locked away things that she wanted burried (much like the safe Leo was trying to break into in all the dreamss) by putting the top there he was making her subconciously remember that she once knew this was a dream but had chosen to forget (the top was her totem to remember this originally). Now what throws the 'who was right about dreaming' is that Leo adopted her totem...trouble is your totem must be niwue so only you know it's quirks...obviously his wife knows about it too though.

Death bed words were, to paraphrase that he wasn't disappointed in Cilian (as he first thought) but was disappointed that he tried to he his father....and then he opens the safe and there is a childhood memento reiterating that his son was the most important thing to him...of course that's the inception cilian is planted with (his dad does actually feel disappointed by him)

The question that throws what Leo'knows' into doubt is how he managed to grow old with his wife in the dream world if they were only dreaming 1 level down...they would have been asleep for many many years in the realworld to dream 50yrs in th 1st level.....so perhaps his wife was right to kill herself as they really were still dreaming (hence the other bits I mentioned)

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Reply #71 posted 07/26/10 12:13pm

Identity	We never get to see Cobb's actual totem. The one he uses throughout the film belonged to his deceased wife.
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Reply #72 posted 07/26/10 12:34pm

purpledoveuk	Identity said: We never get to see Cobb's actual totem. The one he uses throughout the film belonged to his deceased wife. That was his totem...he took on his wifes which was probably his mistake because only YOU should know the feel and weight otherwise you can be tricked....which he may have been [Edited 7/26/10 12:36pm]
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Reply #73 posted 07/27/10 3:31am

purplesweat	purpledoveuk said: ...plus isn't it odd that when he's going 'on the run' there's a guy helping him with plane tickets ready....and he wakes up at the end on a plane. Yeah but if that were the case, he wouldn't remember getting on the plane in the first place since, within the movie, you never remember when/where your dreams start.
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Reply #74 posted 07/27/10 5:55am

purplesweat said:

purpledoveuk said:

...plus isn't it odd that when he's going 'on the run' there's a guy helping him with plane tickets ready....and he wakes up at the end on a plane.

Yeah but if that were the case, he wouldn't remember getting on the plane in the first place since, within the movie, you never remember when/where your dreams start.

Perhaps he doesn't...we never see him get on...he's already on board for his final mission

Doesn't he just appear n Paris to meet Michael Caine as well
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Reply #75 posted 07/27/10 4:20pm

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Absolutely astounding piece of film.

QUite possibly one of the best movies I've ever watched! Totally my favorite type of genre.

I LOVED IT!!!

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Reply #76 posted 07/27/10 8:10pm

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purplesweat said:

Yeah but if that were the case, he wouldn't remember getting on the plane in the first place since, within the movie, you never remember when/where your dreams start.

Perhaps he doesn't...we never see him get on...he's already on board for his final mission Doesn't he just appear n Paris to meet Michael Caine as well [Edited 7/27/10 5:57am]

We do see him get on Cillian Murphy's plane don't we? confused

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Reply #77 posted 07/27/10 10:51pm

purplesweat said:

purpledoveuk said:

purplesweat said:

Yeah but if that were the case, he wouldn't remember getting on the plane in the first place since, within the movie, you never remember when/where your dreams start.

Perhaps he doesn't...we never see him get on...he's already on board for his final mission Doesn't he just appear n Paris to meet Michael Caine as well [Edited 7/27/10 5:57am]

We do see him get on Cillian Murphy's plane don't we? confused

I don't think so...I'm sure we just see them stepping into 1st class with an overly willing flight attendant. That could be just the way it's shot though and not a clue....afterall we never see them take a dump either smile

.... Hmmm, interesting

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Reply #78 posted 08/03/10 12:00am

Cinnie	Fenwick said: I thought these were dreams. Where the hell was Porky Pig? Grrrr..... You were in Nolan's dream, not your own!!
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Reply #79 posted 08/03/10 12:08am

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I liked it. But it's pretty low on my list of films I've seen this year.

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Reply #80 posted 08/03/10 6:20am

Cinnie	Spinzilla said: I liked it. But it's pretty low on my list of films I've seen this year. Seem in general this year or films of 2010? I usually am inpatient with movies after the 90 minute mark, but I loved Inception.
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Reply #81 posted 08/03/10 6:57am

Fenwick	Cinnie said: Fenwick said: I thought these were dreams. Where the hell was Porky Pig? Grrrr...... You were in Nolan's dream, not your own!! Thanks Cinnie. That explains EVERYTHING!!!! I take back everything I said - I LOVE Inception now that I "get it"!!!!
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Reply #82 posted 08/04/10 2:21pm

markpeg	I thought the major flaw in Inception was that Ellen Page's character was the newbie on the team yet she had all the answers. I just didn't buy the idea that she could learn everything so quickly, when it seems the Leonardo DiCaprio character had been at it for years. [Edited 8/5/10 11:14am]
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Reply #83 posted 08/04/10 9:10pm

Cinnie	Fenwick said: Cinnie said: Fenwick said: You were in Nolan's dream, not your own!! Thanks Cinnie. That explains EVERYTHING!!!! I take back everything I said - I LOVE Inception now that I "get it"!!!!
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Reply #84 posted 08/04/10 9:43pm

purplesweat	markpeg said: I thought the major flaw in Inception was that Ellen Page's character was the newbie on the team yet she had all the answers. I just didn't buy the idea that she could learn everything so quickly, when I seems the Leonardo DiCaprio character had been at it for years. Fresh eyes/mind? She built everything, didn't she?
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Reply #85 posted 08/04/10 10:12pm

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purplesweat said:

markpeg said:

I thought the major flaw in Inception was that Ellen Page's character was the newbie on the team yet she had all the answers. I just didn't buy the idea that she could learn everything so quickly, when I seems the Leonardo DiCaprio character had been at it for years.

Fresh eyes/mind?

She built everything, didn't she?

I think that was the key there.

Man, I'm not feeling these criticisms at all. I will not see a better movie this year, even on the indie level.

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Reply #86 posted 08/05/10 11:18am

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purplesweat said:

markpeg said:

I thought the major flaw in Inception was that Ellen Page's character was the newbie on the team yet she had all the answers. I just didn't buy the idea that she could learn everything so quickly, when I seems the Leonardo DiCaprio character had been at it for years.

Fresh eyes/mind?

She built everything, didn't she?

But she seemed to know everything about Leo's relationship with his wife immediately, too. There were about 12 levels on that elevator.

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Reply #87 posted 08/05/10 12:35pm

Cinnie	whistle said: i just watched a movie called Insertion. does that count?
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Reply #88 posted 08/06/10 5:26am

markpeg said:

purplesweat said:

Fresh eyes/mind?

She built everything, didn't she?

But she seemed to know everything about Leo's relationship with his wife immediately, too. There were about 12 levels on that elevator.

I guess she probably already knew the things people do within their dreams. He did tell her a fair amount and the general idea was pretty easy to guess (she obviously died in questionable circumstances, he can't go home etc)

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