schools in Montana r going 2 start teaching sex ed in kindergarten

would u send ur kid/s 2 school that was doing that?

theres no way i would

although if the teacher was cute i would have 2 get her 2 prove 2 me she knew what she was teaching!!

NO.

tafnap said:

schools in Montana r going 2 start teaching sex ed in kindergarten

would u send ur kid/s 2 school that was doing that?

theres no way i would

although if the teacher was cute i would have 2 get her 2 prove 2 me she knew what she was teaching!!

It depends on what they're teaching. If the school is going to teach the kids where babies come from, I don't mind. Children at that age are too young to understand some things, so they just need to stick with the basics and teach "intimate details" when the kids are older. Nowadays, kids are becoming sexually active at a young age and the parents have their heads stuck in the sand. I guess the state of Montana has decided to take action because many American parents STILL don't teach their kids about sex.

In Europe, the adults teach children about sex at a young age. Their STD rates and teen pregnancy rates are much lower than ours. The USA is a first world country, so that doesn't make any sense. Many people have access to condoms and contraceptives, and they need to learn how to use them on a regular basis. Adults need to wake up and realize that kids are just as freaky as they are. They're having sex and they're not going to stop anytime soon, so somebody needs to teach them how to protect themselves.

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jeami said:

tafnap said:

schools in Montana r going 2 start teaching sex ed in kindergarten

would u send ur kid/s 2 school that was doing that?

theres no way i would

although if the teacher was cute i would have 2 get her 2 prove 2 me she knew what she was teaching!!

It depends on what they're teaching. If the school is going to teach the kids where babies come from, I don't mind. Children at that age are too young to understand some things, so they just need to stick with the basics and teach "intimate details" when the kids are older. Nowadays, kids are becoming sexually active at a young age and the parents have their heads stuck in the sand. I guess the state of Montana has decided to take action because many American parents STILL don't teach their kids about sex.

In Europe, the adults teach children about sex at a young age. Their STD rates and teen pregnancy rates are much lower than ours. The USA is a first world country, so that doesn't make any sense. Many people have access to condomns and contraceptives, and they need to learn how to use them on a regular basis. Adults need to wake up and realize that kids are just as freaky as they are. They're having sex and they're not going to stop anytime soon, so somebody needs to teach them how to protect themselves.

while i agree kids need 2 b taught about sex ed - but not at 5 years old, just let them play

If it were VERY basic content.

purplesweat said:

If it were VERY basic content.

even if it was very "basic", i still dont think there is any need 2 teach it at that age

shouldnt it b the parents responsibility anyway? when they think its the right time??

and i dont want my 5yo coming home drawing stick figures with dicks on them!!!!!

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American Education system is FUCKED!!

Btw.... Is there much need to teach the kids about Sex Ed in schools? Heck, Just sit them down infront of MTV or if they miss that most TV commercials should be able to do as good of a job!

tafnap said:

purplesweat said:

If it were VERY basic content.

even if it was very "basic", i still dont think there is any need 2 teach it at that age

shouldnt it b the parents responsibility anyway? when they think its the right time??

This is exactly what I'm talking about. This country has high rates of STDs and high teen pregnancy rates. When are parents going to get it through their thick skulls? I don't understand how many parents engage in wild sexual behavoir, but are uncomfortable teaching their kids about sex. Then they have the nerve to get shocked when they discover their kids are doing the same thing. These kids are experimenting with sex at a young age whether you like it or not. Someone needs to give them a proper education about sex. Most of the kids are sexually irresponsible because no one is teaching them how to be responsible. Little kids ask where babies come from anyway, so just give them the basic info when they're young. They can get more advanced details when they get older.

tafnap said:

purplesweat said:

If it were VERY basic content.

even if it was very "basic", i still dont think there is any need 2 teach it at that age

shouldnt it b the parents responsibility anyway? when they think its the right time??

I'm talking literally just "Babies come from mommies and daddies help too" or something crazy basic. Better to have teachers tell them in a proper, non-shameful way than learn all sorts of stuff from their buddies IMO

Yes, it's a parent's responsibility which is why permission forms should be handed out before the classes commence. Kids sit out of religious ed as per parents request so no reason the same couldn't be done for sex ed.

The schools here have sex ed in 6th grade (most kids are 11,12) then again in Year 7 (12,13,14) then none. I remember there was one boy in year 7 who was so sheltered he could not even get his mind around the concept of a woman giving birth.

purplesweat said:

tafnap said:

even if it was very "basic", i still dont think there is any need 2 teach it at that age

shouldnt it b the parents responsibility anyway? when they think its the right time??

I'm talking literally just "Babies come from mommies and daddies help too" or something crazy basic. Better to have teachers tell them in a proper, non-shameful way than learn all sorts of stuff from their buddies IMO

Yes, it's a parent's responsibility which is why permission forms should be handed out before the classes commence. Kids sit out of religious ed as per parents request so no reason the same couldn't be done for sex ed.

The schools here have sex ed in 6th grade (most kids are 11,12) then again in Year 7 (12,13,14) then none. I remember there was one boy in year 7 who was so sheltered he could not even get his mind around the concept of a woman giving birth.

i get where u r coming from, but all children mature at different ages

if they ask questions, sure, tell them the answers

but no need 2 teach them certain things at 5yo

Kids at 5 don't need to be taught about sex or anything remotely reproductive at school.... Parents SHOULD be telling their child what they see to be fit. I got told the basics when I was a child from my mother(basics being about mummies give birth) then when I was 11-12 At school I got taught the rest.

Why would kids at 5 need to know this? Would it give them knowlodge to provent them catching STD's? Or having one night stands? I don't think so.

This world is seeing kids every years getting younger and younger having kids, could it be that sociality gives them Subliminal Messages everyday? As well as Knowledge of sex being taught in our schools?

purplesweat said:

tafnap said:

even if it was very "basic", i still dont think there is any need 2 teach it at that age

shouldnt it b the parents responsibility anyway? when they think its the right time??

I'm talking literally just "Babies come from mommies and daddies help too" or something crazy basic. Better to have teachers tell them in a proper, non-shameful way than learn all sorts of stuff from their buddies IMO

Yes, it's a parent's responsibility which is why permission forms should be handed out before the classes commence. Kids sit out of religious ed as per parents request so no reason the same couldn't be done for sex ed.

The schools here have sex ed in 6th grade (most kids are 11,12) then again in Year 7 (12,13,14) then none. I remember there was one boy in year 7 who was so sheltered he could not even get his mind around the concept of a woman giving birth.

ok, how about this.......

your 20 and im old.................

how about we have a kid, or at least try for 5 or 6 years, and u tell me when they r a 5yo what u decided 2 do................

[Edited 7/15/10 3:46am]

- I heard that in kindergarten, they are going to start with something as simple as the correct names for body parts. Parents use cute nicknames like "wee wee" and "coochie" instead of penis and vagina. They will teach more detailed things as the kids get older.

- Yes, it is ultimately the parents' responsibility to teach their children, but a lot don't. They live under the assumption that their kids are too young and they will deal with it when they get older, or they are too embarrassed. I've taught all ages, and you should hear what some kids believe- they get it from their friends, or misinterpret things they see on TV & movies.

A lot of times, I am not allowed to discuss it with them, so I just sit back and shake my head. Sometimes, though, I have to correct them.

- 2 Quick stories:

• One day when I had middle school-aged kids, "David" asked me what an orgasm was. I stopped short, turned, and said, "Ask your grandmother" (who he lived with). He said, "She told me to ask YOU!"
• A girl in my class (now I teach high school) was sleeping around- A LOT. I tried to talk to her about being safe and reputation, but I couldn't actually go further than that. One day her mom called me and point-blank asked me if I knew "J" was sexually active (she had just found out). I answered "Yes". Mom wanted to know why I didn't call her and let her know. I explained that it wasn't my place to do that, but that I did talk to her about safety. Mom was thankful, but upset that her daughter didn't come to her...

I find it funny that schools get blasted for what they DO and what people think they DON'T do. We're told they are not OUR kids- until something doesn't go right, then we're blamed for not raising them properly....

Just a teacher's

tafnap said:

schools in Montana r going 2 start teaching sex ed in kindergarten

would u send ur kid/s 2 school that was doing that?

theres no way i would

although if the teacher was cute i would have 2 get her 2 prove 2 me she knew what she was teaching!!

Absloutly!

Its not the 50s anymore. People need to be FULLY aware of their bodies and how they function,,,,as opposed to run to their mommas everytime they have a question about their "pocket book" or "magic wand". And some parents feed their children bullshit that stays with them untill they're middle aged,,,all in the same of perserving their innocence.

Harlepolis said:

tafnap said:

schools in Montana r going 2 start teaching sex ed in kindergarten

would u send ur kid/s 2 school that was doing that?

theres no way i would

although if the teacher was cute i would have 2 get her 2 prove 2 me she knew what she was teaching!!

Absloutly!

Its not the 50s anymore. People need to be FULLY aware of their bodies and how they function,,,,as opposed to run to their mommas everytime they have a question about their "pocket book" or "magic wand". And some parents feed their children bullshit that stays with them untill they're middle aged,,,all in the same of perserving their innocence.

dude, they r only 5yo's

my 5 year old is fascinated with some photos I have of his brother from the day he was born, where the doc is lifting him up and he has a small amount of blood smeared on him (from the c-section). He tells me that his brother came out of mummy's tummy with BLOOD.

It's all he needs to know he has been told that daddies help out, that mummies need a bit of help to start growing the baby

ZombieKitten said:

my 5 year old is fascinated with some photos I have of his brother from the day he was born, where the doc is lifting him up and he has a small amount of blood smeared on him (from the c-section). He tells me that his brother came out of mummy's tummy with BLOOD.

It's all he needs to know he has been told that daddies help out, that mummies need a bit of help to start growing the baby

My 4 year old was watching a video of when I was pregnant and asked how he got out.... I hate being faced with those questions from kids of that age, but I managed to keep it simple and tell him without having to go into too much detail...

I just know he'll find the most inappropriate time to tell someone all about it

Kids that age do need to know about sex. Especially these days when kids in middle schools are now having sex. Shucks when I was in 8th grade there was a girl at my bus stop who ended up pregnant. That child must be what, almost 18 now? Plus kids in kindergarten need to understand the basics of what sex is about so that they will know what to do if someone touches them inappropriately - whether or not it's an adult or a child.

Harlepolis said:

tafnap said:

schools in Montana r going 2 start teaching sex ed in kindergarten

would u send ur kid/s 2 school that was doing that?

theres no way i would

although if the teacher was cute i would have 2 get her 2 prove 2 me she knew what she was teaching!!

Absloutly!

Its not the 50s anymore. People need to be FULLY aware of their bodies and how they function,,,,as opposed to run to their mommas everytime they have a question about their "pocket book" or "magic wand". And some parents feed their children bullshit that stays with them untill they're middle aged,,,all in the same of perserving their innocence.

tafnap said:

purplesweat said:

I'm talking literally just "Babies come from mommies and daddies help too" or something crazy basic. Better to have teachers tell them in a proper, non-shameful way than learn all sorts of stuff from their buddies IMO

Yes, it's a parent's responsibility which is why permission forms should be handed out before the classes commence. Kids sit out of religious ed as per parents request so no reason the same couldn't be done for sex ed.

The schools here have sex ed in 6th grade (most kids are 11,12) then again in Year 7 (12,13,14) then none. I remember there was one boy in year 7 who was so sheltered he could not even get his mind around the concept of a woman giving birth.

i get where u r coming from, but all children mature at different ages

if they ask questions, sure, tell them the answers

but no need 2 teach them certain things at 5yo

What are these "certain things" though? They're not bad, and shouldn't be looked upon with shame or embarrassment or a sense of "hiding". Sex itself isn't bad, it's how you do it and who you do it with that can be bad or dangerous and obviously that side of it can wait. A kid isn't going to suddenly ~malfunction if they understand the basic concepts of sex for reproductive purposes (the pleasure or relationship aspect can wait, sure, I agree there).

Shame starts VERY young in kids these days, with girls wanting to diet, feeling concious of their bodies etc I can only see positives in teaching young kids that their bodies are not something to hide or snicker about like a joke. It annoys me so much when I see/hear grown men and women coming up with slang names for their anatomy like "hoo ha". Please!

missfee said:

Kids that age do need to know about sex. Especially these days when kids in middle schools are now having sex. Shucks when I was in 8th grade there was a girl at my bus stop who ended up pregnant. That child must be what, almost 18 now? Plus kids in kindergarten need to understand the basics of what sex is about so that they will know what to do if someone touches them inappropriately - whether or not it's an adult or a child.

Thank you!

The minute people drop their idiotic "hush! hush!" attitude toward sex, the more headache they'll eliminate.

Mind you, I understand their protective nature toward their kids but its not helping any. Awareness(in EVERYTHING) should be instilled from an early age, otherwise they're in for a pile of mess when they grow up.

Hell, some ADULTS still refer to sexually active young girls as "sluts". Thats just shows you, how "progressive" our education system is.

I see nothing wrong with teaching the kids how to prevent unwanted pregnancies and STDs....though 5 is a bit early but hey, a couple of years later and they are really going to need that kind of knowledge. There are already 9 or ten year old kids having sex.

We had those kind of subjects covered in elementary school when we were 8 or 9, which is a good age to learn about those things, IMO.

tafnap said:

purplesweat said:

I'm talking literally just "Babies come from mommies and daddies help too" or something crazy basic. Better to have teachers tell them in a proper, non-shameful way than learn all sorts of stuff from their buddies IMO

Yes, it's a parent's responsibility which is why permission forms should be handed out before the classes commence. Kids sit out of religious ed as per parents request so no reason the same couldn't be done for sex ed.

The schools here have sex ed in 6th grade (most kids are 11,12) then again in Year 7 (12,13,14) then none. I remember there was one boy in year 7 who was so sheltered he could not even get his mind around the concept of a woman giving birth.

ok, how about this.......

your 20 and im old.................

how about we have a kid, or at least try for 5 or 6 years, and u tell me when they r a 5yo what u decided 2 do................

[Edited 7/15/10 3:46am]

Er, all creepiness aside, I'm the oldest of my generation in my family, and I've grown up closely with all 7 of my cousins who range from 17 to 2 so I do know a bit about little kids. Kids start asking this stuff at 5 and up, every one of them did. After the initial awkwardness, their parents just told them in basic terms and that was that. No reason teachers can't do the same with parental permission and maybe go into names and terms a little more. Especially in this age when they could just as easily go on the net and find god knows what instead.

purplesweat said:

tafnap said:

ok, how about this.......

your 20 and im old.................

how about we have a kid, or at least try for 5 or 6 years, and u tell me when they r a 5yo what u decided 2 do................

[Edited 7/15/10 3:46am]

Er, all creepiness aside, I'm the oldest of my generation in my family, and I've grown up closely with all 7 of my cousins who range from 17 to 2 so I do know a bit about little kids. Kids start asking this stuff at 5 and up, every one of them did. After the initial awkwardness, their parents just told them in basic terms and that was that. No reason teachers can't do the same with parental permission and maybe go into names and terms a little more. Especially in this age when they could just as easily go on the net and find god knows what instead.

And god knows where else they get their information from. Like you said, in this age where everything is accessible, I'd rather see my kids getting them from a credible source.

Harlepolis said:

purplesweat said:

Er, all creepiness aside, I'm the oldest of my generation in my family, and I've grown up closely with all 7 of my cousins who range from 17 to 2 so I do know a bit about little kids. Kids start asking this stuff at 5 and up, every one of them did. After the initial awkwardness, their parents just told them in basic terms and that was that. No reason teachers can't do the same with parental permission and maybe go into names and terms a little more. Especially in this age when they could just as easily go on the net and find god knows what instead.

And god knows where else they get their information from. Like you said, in this age where everything is accessible, I'd rather see my kids getting them from a credible source.

Yup. Even girls magazines are pathetic when it comes to being informative. They make it more about labels and who is a slut and who isn't if you do this or that and look at these terrifying statistics or gross stories about public bathroom sex EW EW EW. Not to mention they hide the sex section in some ridiculous sealed section where you have to tear it open like it's some classified file.

Depends how its done. Mutual respect, anatomical differences and basically why girls have hoohars and boys have a dingalingalingaling.

Cant hurt, I say. I talk quite openly with my 4year old. It makes it less shocking and tabooo when he gets older. Education is always good sexual or otherwise, but there is a right and wrong way to do it. Generally the Gov't will fuck it up though.

chocolate1 said:

- I heard that in kindergarten, they are going to start with something as simple as the correct names for body parts. Parents use cute nicknames like "wee wee" and "coochie" instead of penis and vagina. They will teach more detailed things as the kids get older.

- Yes, it is ultimately the parents' responsibility to teach their children, but a lot don't. They live under the assumption that their kids are too young and they will deal with it when they get older, or they are too embarrassed. I've taught all ages, and you should hear what some kids believe- they get it from their friends, or misinterpret things they see on TV & movies.

A lot of times, I am not allowed to discuss it with them, so I just sit back and shake my head. Sometimes, though, I have to correct them.

- 2 Quick stories:

• One day when I had middle school-aged kids, "David" asked me what an orgasm was. I stopped short, turned, and said, "Ask your grandmother" (who he lived with). He said, "She told me to ask YOU!"
• A girl in my class (now I teach high school) was sleeping around- A LOT. I tried to talk to her about being safe and reputation, but I couldn't actually go further than that. One day her mom called me and point-blank asked me if I knew "J" was sexually active (she had just found out). I answered "Yes". Mom wanted to know why I didn't call her and let her know. I explained that it wasn't my place to do that, but that I did talk to her about safety. Mom was thankful, but upset that her daughter didn't come to her...

I find it funny that schools get blasted for what they DO and what people think they DON'T do. We're told they are not OUR kids- until something doesn't go right, then we're blamed for not raising them properly....

Just a teacher's

I like to see a teacher's point of view. I just wrote a HUGE paper on sex education in schools for my college class. This is a HUGE issue that needs to be addressed.

I can see why some parents wouldn't want their child to be taught sex in schools, but those parents are the very same parents who don't talk about sex with their kids. Those are the kids that walk around with blinders on and end up with silly notions about sex, preventing pregnancy and STI's!

As for kids in kindergarton having sex education in class, I would be all for it, as long as it was something aimed for their age range. I think most people jump to the idea that schools will show these kids porn or something. We can't jump to the idea that the schools in Montana would be teaching something horrible and wrong.

Until I see exactly what they are teaching I can't judge or decide on the matter. I refuse to jump to the idea it would be bad for the child.

PREDOMINANT said:

Depends how its done. Mutual respect, anatomical differences and basically why girls have hoohars and boys have a dingalingalingaling.

Cant hurt, I say. I talk quite openly with my 4year old. It makes it less shocking and tabooo when he gets older. Education is always good sexual or otherwise, but there is a right and wrong way to do it. Generally the Gov't will fuck it up though.

Right now Obama has passed a bill to put more money towards sex education and not just the abstinence program that is in place now. I am hoping more comprehensive sex educations will start being taught in schools. We can't ignore that kids are having sex period!

I agree with your thoughts on "Mutual respect, anatomical differences and basically why girls have hoohars and boys have a dingalingalingaling." Teach the kids things at their level.