SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

death stuff. I don't understand the fascination with skulls and all that crap. It's so gross.

I know this girl who has a tattoo of tombstones with R.I.P written on them.

They're on her boobs. One on each.

TheVoid said:

NDRU said:

this is the blind leading the blind

I'm nothing like Supa! I'm not slutty, I like reading books and volunteering in the community, and I don't hate women!

Please please believe me, NDRU.

"volunteering in the community"

I'm just not sure Supa is the place to go for clarification on slutty chicks' ass adornments

NDRU said:

TheVoid said:

I'm nothing like Supa! I'm not slutty, I like reading books and volunteering in the community, and I don't hate women!

Please please believe me, NDRU.

"volunteering in the community"

I'm just not sure Supa is the place to go for clarification on slutty chicks' ass adornments

Between you and me, I'm not convinced he's gay. I think it's an act.

meow85 said:

Genesia said:

And then they're surprised when they can't get a job.

Sooner or later employers will have no staff.

Over 60% of Canadians under age 30 have visible piercings and tattoos. That's a hell of a lot of the jobforce companies will stupidly be denying themselves. Nothing like a shit-for-brains to run a company, eh?

I'm guessing at least 60% have shitty jobs, too

TheVoid said:

NDRU said:

"volunteering in the community"

I'm just not sure Supa is the place to go for clarification on slutty chicks' ass adornments

Between you and me, I'm not convinced he's gay. I think it's an act.

it's always been the perfect angle. Ask Isaac Mizrahi

TheVoid said:

meow85 said:

Sooner or later employers will have no staff.

Over 60% of Canadians under age 30 have visible piercings and tattoos. That's a hell of a lot of the jobforce companies will stupidly be denying themselves. Nothing like a shit-for-brains to run a company, eh?

I would NEVER hire a person who had tattoos on their face or excessive tats showing (hands, neck, etc.).

Business is image. Image is everything. Right or wrong, a business minded person has to think about image, and tattoos will never become so ubiquitous as to be that acceptable in a business forum. Tats have been around as long as makeup--excessive displays of either is never appropriate in business.

Exactly.

And I don't think employers are worrying about not having enough staff right now. They're layin' folks off because of the economy - tattoos or no.

NDRU said:

meow85 said:

Sooner or later employers will have no staff.

Over 60% of Canadians under age 30 have visible piercings and tattoos. That's a hell of a lot of the jobforce companies will stupidly be denying themselves. Nothing like a shit-for-brains to run a company, eh?

I'm guessing at least 60% have shitty jobs, too

TheVoid said:

meow85 said:

Sooner or later employers will have no staff.

Over 60% of Canadians under age 30 have visible piercings and tattoos. That's a hell of a lot of the jobforce companies will stupidly be denying themselves. Nothing like a shit-for-brains to run a company, eh?

I would NEVER hire a person who had tattoos on their face or excessive tats showing (hands, neck, etc.).

Business is image. Image is everything. Right or wrong, a business minded person has to think about image, and tattoos will never become so ubiquitous as to be that acceptable in a business forum. Tats have been around as long as makeup--excessive displays of either is never appropriate in business.

Tattoos are already ubiquitous around here. I've known lawyers, bankers, and professors with body art that is not easily hidden.

A huge subsection of the younger population in Canada has tattoos or piercings, a fact that isn't exactly going to change as this generation ages and comes into business and government. The more older workers begin to retire, the more often companies will have to be faced with the prospect of having every single qualified applicant be one with body modifications. If tattoos and piercings will "never be appropriate" in business, then who's going to be working? Basic logic dictates your assertion won't hold true.

And, of course, with that many people decorated they make up a huge number of the customer and clientele base. What kind of message do you think it's sending to consumers when a business says, "We'll take your money, but your appearance renders you not good enough to associate with us on a professional level" ?

I personally do not like the tramp stamp.

If not for this reason alone:http://gprime.net/video.p...tooremover

I don't like them at all. I don't care how beautiful they are. Over time they look horrible. And anyone who allows his/her face to be tatooed can not be taken seriously, ever. They will never be fit for corporate establishment, and I imagine they never intended to be in the first place. And that first idiot in the photo montage is just disgusting. He probably scares the shit out of little children and old folk.

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meow85 said:

TheVoid said:

I would NEVER hire a person who had tattoos on their face or excessive tats showing (hands, neck, etc.).

Business is image. Image is everything. Right or wrong, a business minded person has to think about image, and tattoos will never become so ubiquitous as to be that acceptable in a business forum. Tats have been around as long as makeup--excessive displays of either is never appropriate in business.

Tattoos are already ubiquitous around here. I've known lawyers, bankers, and professors with body art that is not easily hidden.

A huge subsection of the younger population in Canada has tattoos or piercings, a fact that isn't exactly going to change as this generation ages and comes into business and government. The more older workers begin to retire, the more often companies will have to be faced with the prospect of having every single qualified applicant be one with body modifications. If tattoos and piercings will "never be appropriate" in business, then who's going to be working? Basic logic dictates your assertion won't hold true.

And, of course, with that many people decorated they make up a huge number of the customer and clientele base. What kind of message do you think it's sending to consumers when a business says, "We'll take your money, but your appearance renders you not good enough to associate with us on a professional level" ?

A professional message.

There's simply never going to be a day when it's acceptable in big business. Just like bones through the nose or lip piercings.

As radicle as you'll get is Steve Jobs in blue jeans and a black turtle neck.

I mean, sure down in the trenches there may be some acceptance of it on a one-off basis, but it'll never be the norm. Again, remember tats have been around forever and have enjoyed fluctuating levels of popularity--their acceptance in business has not.

NDRU said:

meow85 said:

Sooner or later employers will have no staff.

Over 60% of Canadians under age 30 have visible piercings and tattoos. That's a hell of a lot of the jobforce companies will stupidly be denying themselves. Nothing like a shit-for-brains to run a company, eh?

I'm guessing at least 60% have shitty jobs, too

I know anecdotal evidence is the worst kind...

My best friend is an elementary school teacher. She has full sleeves, and only wears shirts that cover them in cold weather.

Another close friend is a law student working as an intern at the offices of a criminal lawyer. Her neck is covered in ink.

The manager and owner of a local Rogers retailer where I get my cell phone business taken care of has stretched earlobes adna septum piercing.

My first and second year Astronomy professor has his favourite constellation tattooed on his hands.

My cousin is chief safety supervisor at the Alcan plant in Kitimat, with hands full of roses.

Should I go on? The only young people I know with shitty jobs are people whose education isn't finished yet.

Genesia said:

TheVoid said:

I would NEVER hire a person who had tattoos on their face or excessive tats showing (hands, neck, etc.).

Business is image. Image is everything. Right or wrong, a business minded person has to think about image, and tattoos will never become so ubiquitous as to be that acceptable in a business forum. Tats have been around as long as makeup--excessive displays of either is never appropriate in business.

Exactly.

And I don't think employers are worrying about not having enough staff right now. They're layin' folks off because of the economy - tattoos or no.

It's so cute when Americans think the whole world is the same as their country. Here the economy is picking up and business is booming. There are more bodies than jobs, true. But every industry is in the midst of a hiring spree.

meow85 said:

NDRU said:

I'm guessing at least 60% have shitty jobs, too

I know anecdotal evidence is the worst kind...

My best friend is an elementary school teacher. She has full sleeves, and only wears shirts that cover them in cold weather.

Another close friend is a law student working as an intern at the offices of a criminal lawyer. Her neck is covered in ink.

The manager and owner of a local Rogers retailer where I get my cell phone business taken care of has stretched earlobes adna septum piercing.

My first and second year Astronomy professor has his favourite constellation tattooed on his hands.

My cousin is chief safety supervisor at the Alcan plant in Kitimat, with hands full of roses.

Should I go on? The only young people I know with shitty jobs are people whose education isn't finished yet.

I've seen persons with tats that shocked me in positions that shocked me too.

But I postulate these are all quite lucky people and not a sign of some social 'change' taking place.

KoolEaze said:

How many times are you going to use that poor woman´s picture for your random topics?

I don´t like tatoos with pictures of people, tribal design tattoos, Chinese stuff ( and when you ask those fools what their tats mean,they come up with stuff like : "It´s Chinese for `strength`." or whatever.....I have yet to see a real Chinese person with one of those ridiculuos tatoos. And why on Earth anybody would choose Chinese letters to be on his or her body is totally beyond me.

That being said, I´ve seen and touched some really beautiful bodies with Chinese tattoos on them.

I also dislike religious motives and political shit, like having a Che Guevara or Mao Tse Tung or whatever picture or quote on your body....simply not cool and besides, you never know what those people REALLY were like in their private lives, so why honor somebody you´ve never met by having his picture on your body?

See Mike Tyson....he probably no longer studies his Mao Tse Tung like he used to do. He just did it to piss off people, and he admitteted to that during an interview.

I don´t like tattoos in general because your body changes significantly over the years but I must admit that I don´t mind tattoos while the bearer still looks young.

Some Japanese and Maori tattoos are really beautiful.

TheVoid said:

meow85 said:

Tattoos are already ubiquitous around here. I've known lawyers, bankers, and professors with body art that is not easily hidden.

A huge subsection of the younger population in Canada has tattoos or piercings, a fact that isn't exactly going to change as this generation ages and comes into business and government. The more older workers begin to retire, the more often companies will have to be faced with the prospect of having every single qualified applicant be one with body modifications. If tattoos and piercings will "never be appropriate" in business, then who's going to be working? Basic logic dictates your assertion won't hold true.

And, of course, with that many people decorated they make up a huge number of the customer and clientele base. What kind of message do you think it's sending to consumers when a business says, "We'll take your money, but your appearance renders you not good enough to associate with us on a professional level" ?

A professional message.

There's simply never going to be a day when it's acceptable in big business. Just like bones through the nose or lip piercings.

As radicle as you'll get is Steve Jobs in blue jeans and a black turtle neck.

I mean, sure down in the trenches there may be some acceptance of it on a one-off basis, but it'll never be the norm. Again, remember tats have been around forever and have enjoyed fluctuating levels of popularity--their acceptance in business has not.

And you'd be wrong.

Granted, Vancouver is a pretty liberal city in a pretty liberal country, but there are ALREADY professionals with so-called unprofessional appearances. It's only a matter of time before that spreads.

TheVoid said:

meow85 said:

I know anecdotal evidence is the worst kind...

My best friend is an elementary school teacher. She has full sleeves, and only wears shirts that cover them in cold weather.

Another close friend is a law student working as an intern at the offices of a criminal lawyer. Her neck is covered in ink.

The manager and owner of a local Rogers retailer where I get my cell phone business taken care of has stretched earlobes adna septum piercing.

My first and second year Astronomy professor has his favourite constellation tattooed on his hands.

My cousin is chief safety supervisor at the Alcan plant in Kitimat, with hands full of roses.

Should I go on? The only young people I know with shitty jobs are people whose education isn't finished yet.

I've seen persons with tats that shocked me in positions that shocked me too.

But I postulate these are all quite lucky people and not a sign of some social 'change' taking place.

I think the numbers speak for themselves.

If 60% of young people here have tattoos or piercings, and those 60% are deemed not fit for work, then just WHO is going to be taking over industry jobs when older generations of workers retire?

There will come a time, in Canada at least, that it will simply not be practical to deny work to those 60%.

meow85 said:

TheVoid said:

A professional message.

There's simply never going to be a day when it's acceptable in big business. Just like bones through the nose or lip piercings.

As radicle as you'll get is Steve Jobs in blue jeans and a black turtle neck.

I mean, sure down in the trenches there may be some acceptance of it on a one-off basis, but it'll never be the norm. Again, remember tats have been around forever and have enjoyed fluctuating levels of popularity--their acceptance in business has not.

And you'd be wrong.

Granted, Vancouver is a pretty liberal city in a pretty liberal country, but there are ALREADY professionals with so-called unprofessional appearances. It's only a matter of time before that spreads.

no, it won't spread.

Again, let's take your "Americans think everybody is like them message" and step outside Vancouver under that argument.

Tats are enormously popular here in Asia (especially Japan).

And there are folks with tats in their arms, ett (sleeves, neck, etc.).

But it's still way too frowned upon to catch on. It simply will never catch on.

It just won't. Vancouver is not a beacon or pioneering wave that will turn into a global tsunami.

Look, I like tats. I'm fond of the Japanese ones right now.

But there's no way they'll be accepted in big business, even if they become more tolerated at a micro level. To most execs would be the same thing is showing your navel at work--it's just a nono.

Just look on this thread alone. Multiply that by the rest of the world. Tats are just not universally accepted, and can be viewed as offensive or inappropriate by way too many paying customers--business will never ignore that.

meow85 said:

I think the numbers speak for themselves.

If 60% of young people here have tattoos or piercings, and those 60% are deemed not fit for work, then just WHO is going to be taking over industry jobs when older generations of workers retire?

There will come a time, in Canada at least, that it will simply not be practical to deny work to those 60%.

2 words: Illegal immigrants.

meow85 said:

TheVoid said:

I've seen persons with tats that shocked me in positions that shocked me too.

But I postulate these are all quite lucky people and not a sign of some social 'change' taking place.

I think the numbers speak for themselves.

If 60% of young people here have tattoos or piercings, and those 60% are deemed not fit for work, then just WHO is going to be taking over industry jobs when older generations of workers retire?

There will come a time, in Canada at least, that it will simply not be practical to deny work to those 60%.

Where are these figures coming from?

And of the 60%, how many of those have tats that show in business attire?

How many are white collar?

I just don't see a potential change at all. People just know--if you want the job, dress for the part.

TheVoid said:

meow85 said:

And you'd be wrong.

Granted, Vancouver is a pretty liberal city in a pretty liberal country, but there are ALREADY professionals with so-called unprofessional appearances. It's only a matter of time before that spreads.

no, it won't spread.

Again, let's take your "Americans think everybody is like them message" and step outside Vancouver under that argument.

Tats are enormously popular here in Asia (especially Japan).

And there are folks with tats in their arms, ett (sleeves, neck, etc.).

But it's still way too frowned upon to catch on. It simply will never catch on.

It just won't. Vancouver is not a beacon or pioneering wave that will turn into a global tsunami.

Look, I like tats. I'm fond of the Japanese ones right now.

But there's no way they'll be accepted in big business, even if they become more tolerated at a micro level. To most execs would be the same thing is showing your navel at work--it's just a nono.

Just look on this thread alone. Multiply that by the rest of the world. Tats are just not universally accepted, and can be viewed as offensive or inappropriate by way too many paying customers--business will never ignore that.

I disagree, mainly because tattoos aren't frowned on here on that level. Most people outside of business owners see it as a non-issue.

Again, if the numbers of modded people are as high as they are, who is going to do the work they supposedly will be barred from?

kewlschool said:

meow85 said:

I think the numbers speak for themselves.

If 60% of young people here have tattoos or piercings, and those 60% are deemed not fit for work, then just WHO is going to be taking over industry jobs when older generations of workers retire?

There will come a time, in Canada at least, that it will simply not be practical to deny work to those 60%.

2 words: Illegal immigrants.

First, most immigrants to Canada are coming here legally.

Second, are you trying to say that illegal immigrants are going to be the bankers and teachers and lawyers Canadian citizens won't be allowed to be?

TheVoid said:

meow85 said:

I think the numbers speak for themselves.

If 60% of young people here have tattoos or piercings, and those 60% are deemed not fit for work, then just WHO is going to be taking over industry jobs when older generations of workers retire?

There will come a time, in Canada at least, that it will simply not be practical to deny work to those 60%.

Where are these figures coming from?

And of the 60%, how many of those have tats that show in business attire?

How many are white collar?

I just don't see a potential change at all. People just know--if you want the job, dress for the part.

Not too long ago, CBC conducted a poll/study. Certainly nothing as official as Stats Canada, but pretty reliable.

meow85 said:

kewlschool said:

2 words: Illegal immigrants.

First, most immigrants to Canada are coming here legally.

Second, are you trying to say that illegal immigrants are going to be the bankers and teachers and lawyers Canadian citizens won't be allowed to be?

I'm joking

-relax people

See my signature below.

Quick question: meow, why are you taking this so personally? Are you heavily modded?

(this is a serious question)

The only names I have tattooed are my brother's kids and my goddaughter. No ex-girlfriends - that's a no-no with me. And nothing above the neck or on my abs. I have @ twelve, all in the right places so I can cover them up at work. I plan on getting more.

chocolate1 said:

Quick question: meow, why are you taking this so personally? Are you heavily modded?

(this is a serious question)

I wouldn't say I'm heavily modded by most definitions, but I do have tattoos and piercings. So do many intelligent, capable people I'm close with. Like most people who get them, my work isn't to rebel (rebel against what? I could never figure out what people think I'm trying to rebel against) it isn't to prove a point, and it isn't an attempt to stand out or call attention to myself.

Some of my piercings are pure ornamentation but some of them, as well as my tattoos, are markers of important things in my life. Visual signposts of people or events or ideas that are very important to me. Removing jewelry from a piercing or hiding a tattoo unnecessarily isn't nearly as simple for me psychologically or emotionally as just taking off a necklace or changing my shirt. That's the case for a lot of people who have tattoos and piercings.

A lot of people without mods or who only have mods as decoration don't seem to understand how very seriously some of us take our work.

How can I explain to someone that my lip has jewelry in it because I was trapped in a heavy depression and considering self-harm, but the physical jolt of a needle through muscle kicked me out of it?

How can I explain that my father and sister are being carried in my arms? Or that my personal proof of adulthood is on my back and neck?

How can I explain the guilt of how my dog's life had to be ended is salved by what's on my feet?

How can I explain some of the metal in my ears as visual tokens of bonds with loved ones?

How can I explain any of that satisfactorally to someone who's already decided I'm just a shiftless drug addict trying to rebel against whatever?

Aside from all that though, is the fact that whatever constitutes professionalism in appearance is a vague, nebulous concept that is already subject to shifting social and fashion mores. It's not long ago that professional women were required to wear dresses and makeup, and nurses had to wear impractical and ridiculous starched whites. To think that attitudes about body modification are going to remain static ignores that nothing remains static.

I wouldn't get a tattoo but the way I see it, it's your body so have at it.

However, I've never seen the point of getting a star or spider web tattooed on your elbow.

meow85 said:

NDRU said:

I'm guessing at least 60% have shitty jobs, too

I know anecdotal evidence is the worst kind...

My best friend is an elementary school teacher. She has full sleeves, and only wears shirts that cover them in cold weather.

Another close friend is a law student working as an intern at the offices of a criminal lawyer. Her neck is covered in ink.

The manager and owner of a local Rogers retailer where I get my cell phone business taken care of has stretched earlobes adna septum piercing.

My first and second year Astronomy professor has his favourite constellation tattooed on his hands.

My cousin is chief safety supervisor at the Alcan plant in Kitimat, with hands full of roses.

Should I go on? The only young people I know with shitty jobs are people whose education isn't finished yet.

I don't really get where you are coming from.

You complain about how stupid it is that people won't hire someone with facial piercings/visible tattoos. Then you say in fact that is not the case, they all have amazing jobs. Everyone in Canada is pierced & tattoed & has great jobs, so what is the problem, exactly?

My point is only this: 60% is decorated, that leaves 40% available to take their jobs. Stupid though customs and rules may be, you cannot rationize & argue them away to the cornfield.

My problem with tattoos goes like this: in this world, there's no tattoo artist with enough charisma, and there's no chance in hell that they're gonna put their hands on me and taint my skin for the rest of my life...no chance in hell...

but if people like Picasso or Dali were still alive today and makin' tattoos, then I guess I could let them use my skin (little area anyway) for one of their masterpieces...

for me, it's all about charisma, really...