Graycap23 said:

SCNDLS said:

Okay, well I read another story that said 15 minutes. Regardless, there are witness who saw the shooter and it wasn't MV.

Regardless of the time involved, MV will peobably pay the price 4 this which probably is NOT fair.

True.

It was Mike's atty who told the police he left the club at least 10 minutes and as much as 20 minutes before the shooting. I think the video shows when his car left the parking lot. But MV left the club earlier and was stopped by a crowd of people at his car who wanted him to pose for pics and sign autographs which he did until security came along and told them to disperse. Maybe that's why it took longer for him to leave the location.

SCNDLS said:

RebirthOfCool said:

But it's still on Vick for not having the security in place to have this dude booted right when he showed up. I'm sure someone told Vick the dude was there. Vick should've had him escorted off the premises and that would've been that.

Security was there and they didn't have any problems out of the 300 guests who were there all night. Maybe security had no idea who this guy was until it was too late. MV and his peeps were in VIP and this guy came over there. Once there, everyone recognized him and told him to leave. His own brother included.

This fool was the one cussing and yelling and flinging cake. Then security managed to get him out kicking and screaming like a bitch. We don't know how long this fool was in there. He coulda done all this in ONE minute. Regardless, MV left immediately while this fool continued causing a scene for 15 more minutes before catching a cap.

Sorry, but I'm not willing to place any blame on MV cuz it sounds like he did the absolute right thing and he's a free man so we shouldn't expect him to have to stay home 24/7. This dumbass was 1000% the antagonist and I don't feel sorry for his ass. I've been with many athletes and seen for myself how people walk up to them and try to goad them into an altercation.

I'm not blaming Vick for the dude showing up, I'm putting the responsibility on him for not having dude removed completely from the premises.

RebirthOfCool said:

SCNDLS said:

Security was there and they didn't have any problems out of the 300 guests who were there all night. Maybe security had no idea who this guy was until it was too late. MV and his peeps were in VIP and this guy came over there. Once there, everyone recognized him and told him to leave. His own brother included.

This fool was the one cussing and yelling and flinging cake. Then security managed to get him out kicking and screaming like a bitch. We don't know how long this fool was in there. He coulda done all this in ONE minute. Regardless, MV left immediately while this fool continued causing a scene for 15 more minutes before catching a cap.

Sorry, but I'm not willing to place any blame on MV cuz it sounds like he did the absolute right thing and he's a free man so we shouldn't expect him to have to stay home 24/7. This dumbass was 1000% the antagonist and I don't feel sorry for his ass. I've been with many athletes and seen for myself how people walk up to them and try to goad them into an altercation.

I'm not blaming Vick for the dude showing up, I'm putting the responsibility on him for not having dude removed completely from the premises.

Security put him outside where he stayed yelling and cussing for several minutes until he got popped. That's not MV's or security's fault.

Oh and I was wrong about dude getting probation for his part in the dogfighting enterprise he was given 21 months but I think he was released early.

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And why is the restaurant owner talking to the press about the video when the police have not analyzed it or reported their findings? The owner has given several interviews already about this unreleased security video.

SCNDLS said:

RebirthOfCool said:

I'm not blaming Vick for the dude showing up, I'm putting the responsibility on him for not having dude removed completely from the premises.

Security put him outside where he stayed yelling and cussing for several minutes until he got popped. That's not MV's or security's fault.

Oh and I was wrong about dude getting probation for his part in the dogfighting enterprise he was given 21 months but I think he was released early.

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No, it's on his security team and Vick because under his probation Vick's not allowed to associate with any of his formers friends that were involved in his dog fighting ring. Vick should've said take this dude off the premises because he can't be here or I'll be violating my parole.

SCNDLS said:

And why is the restaurant owner talking to the press about the video when the police have not analyzed it or reported their findings? The owner has given several interviews already about this unreleased security video.

He wants his 15.

RebirthOfCool said:

SCNDLS said:

Security put him outside where he stayed yelling and cussing for several minutes until he got popped. That's not MV's or security's fault.

Oh and I was wrong about dude getting probation for his part in the dogfighting enterprise he was given 21 months but I think he was released early.

[Edited 7/1/10 9:50am]

No, it's on his security team and Vick because under his probation Vick's not allowed to associate with any of his formers friends that were involved in his dog fighting ring. Vick should've said take this dude off the premises because he can't be here or I'll be violating my parole.

No one's personal security team can remove anyone off of property they don't own without they themselves being sued. The club's security removed the dude from the club's property and put him outside on the public street. That's all anyone in a public place can do. And MV left the restaurant very soon after seeing this dude. Nothing else he, nor his security coulda done IMO.

SCNDLS said:

RebirthOfCool said:

No, it's on his security team and Vick because under his probation Vick's not allowed to associate with any of his formers friends that were involved in his dog fighting ring. Vick should've said take this dude off the premises because he can't be here or I'll be violating my parole.

No one's personal security team can remove anyone off of property they don't own without they themselves being sued. The club's security removed the dude from the club's property and put him outside on the public street. That's all anyone in a public place can do. And MV left the restaurant very soon after seeing this dude. Nothing else he, nor his security coulda done IMO.

Vick being sued by the restaurant owner, which wouldn't have been an issue anyway because the owner would've found out why dude was removed, was a lot less of an issue than the potential to going back to the pokey.

RebirthOfCool said:

SCNDLS said:

No one's personal security team can remove anyone off of property they don't own without they themselves being sued. The club's security removed the dude from the club's property and put him outside on the public street. That's all anyone in a public place can do. And MV left the restaurant very soon after seeing this dude. Nothing else he, nor his security coulda done IMO.

Vick being sued by the restaurant owner, which wouldn't have been an issue anyway because the owner would've found out why dude was removed, was a lot less of an issue than the potential to going back to the pokey.

I wasnt talking about the restaurant owner.

SCNDLS said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Vick being sued by the restaurant owner, which wouldn't have been an issue anyway because the owner would've found out why dude was removed, was a lot less of an issue than the potential to going back to the pokey.

I wasnt talking about the restaurant owner.

Who were you talking about then?

Vick says he 'had nothing to do with' shooting

By HANK KURZ Jr.

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Associated Press

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) Philadelphia Eagles' quarterback Michael Vick says he was not involved with a shooting following his birthday celebration in Virginia Beach last week.

"I want to assure everyone that I had nothing to do with that incident," he said in the statement provided to The Associated Press by his representatives Thursday night. "I left the restaurant prior to it occurring and did not witness what happened."

Vick said he reported the incident to the Eagles and "to representatives of Commissioner Roger Goodell."

The former Atlanta Falcons star also said he has been "completely truthful and fully cooperative" with law enforcement and the NFL, and will continue to cooperate as the investigation continues.

The Eagles and NFL have said they are looking into the matter. Goodell told Vick when reinstating him last season that his margin for error was "extremely limited."

Police said earlier Thursday that they have not ruled out Vick as a suspect or person of interest in their investigation. Police spokesman Adam Bernstein said they will not discuss specifics of the investigation and that no one has been named as a suspect or arrested.

Vick met with police on Monday, accompanied by Woodward.

Bernstein declined to characterize Vick's status in the investigation.

"I don't want to say either way as to what his involvement is," Bernstein told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "Everyone wants me to give him a label because of who he is."

Police have not identified the shooting victim, but Vick's attorney, Larry Woodward, said it was Quanis Phillips.

In his statement, Vick did not name Phillips, a co-defendant in the dogfighting case that landed Vick in federal prison.

Vick, who filed for bankruptcy in 2008, is entering his second season with the Eagles and due to earn $5.2 million.

The NFL star's statement comes almost a week after the shooting early last Friday.

Woodward told The Associated Press on Tuesday that Vick left the establishment at least 10 minutes, and perhaps as many as 20 minutes, before the shooting took place.

But Allen Fabijan, spokesman for Guadalajara Mexican restaurant and nightclub, said Wednesday that he had video that contradicted Woodward's timeline.

The time-stamped footage from a surveillance camera outside the entrance of the club shows a car with Vick inside leaving at 2:07 a.m. - about 4 minutes before the shooting a block away.

The waiting car with Vick inside pulled away at about 2:07 a.m. heading in the direction of the eventual shooting. Numerous people were visible lingering in front of the club for several minutes until, at 2:10:55, they appear to be startled, with some ducking for cover.

Bernstein, who said authorities have a copy of the video, said the first 911 call about the shooting was received at 2:11.

Fabijan said police have asked him not to release the video, but he allowed the AP to view the grainy footage.

Vick's face is not discernible; a man wearing white that Fabijan said is Vick appears moving toward a parked car at 2:04 a.m. A crowd quickly gathered, and Fabijan said Vick accommodated fans trying to get an autograph, to pose for a photo or to shake hands - so much so that a club security guard eventually moved in in an effort to disperse the crowd.

He better hope he ain't lyin'.

No charges filed in shooting after Vick party

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP)—Police said Tuesday they know who was responsible for shooting another man following Michael Vick’s(notes) birthday celebration, but the shooter will not be charged “at this time” because the victim has not cooperated with investigators.

Vick was not the shooter and there are no suspects other than the shooter, police spokesman Adam Bernstein said. The decision not to press charges was made by the prosecutor’s office, but could be reversed if the victim decides to cooperate.

In a statement released Tuesday, police said witnesses have also been reluctant to help in the investigation of the shooting outside a nightclub just after 2 a.m. on June 25. The statement said because the shooter will not be charged, his identity will not be released.

The shooting took place about a block away from the club where a 30th birthday party for the Philadelphia Eagles’ quarterback was ending. According to a spokesman for the nightclub, video surveillance cameras positioned in front of the club showed Vick climbing into a car and leaving about 4 minutes before the shooting.

The victim has not be identified by the police, but Vick’s attorney, Larry Woodward, said it was Quanis Phillips—a co-defendant in the federal dogfighting case that landed Vick in federal prison. Phillips, who Woodward said was not invited to the party and did not interact with Vick while there, was treated at a hospital and released the following day.

Woodward did not return a phone call from The Associated Press seeking comment.

Vick has said he was not involved. In a statement to the AP on Thursday, Vick also said he notified the NFL and the Eagles once he was aware of what had taken place.

The team and league have said they are looking into the situation.

Graycap23 said:

Mike was probably not involved but what kind of folks is this guy hanging with?

The kind of folk who fight pit bulls, and drown, electrocute, and /or hang the losers.

uPtoWnNY said:

If I had "friends" who were into negative/shady shit, that might have a bad influence on my life/job, I'd keep them at arm's length. That's just me.

There are times when 'keeping it real' goes wrong.

Michael Vick better watch his back before he ends up like Dave Chappelle did in this skit.