Reel said:

phunkdaddy said:

I don't think that this is so much about Tyler possibly being gay as it is about exploiting his "church going audience" and some how duping them into thinking that he's not in drag....when in fact he is. As far as all of that other stuff in the Boondocks episode, I think that's their "view" along with a little Boondocks spin. Heck there are people participating in this discussion who are gay and don't believe in what Tyler is doing.

I read off another site just recently that the person who had helped wrote this episode used to work for Tyler Perry as a writer, and got fired by TP. That explained why that episode is more of a personal rather than humorous satire.

sosgemini said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Oh please! That had more to do with the WGA throwing it's weight around, in case anybody else got any bright ass ideas about building their own independent production houses, outside of Hollywood, than it did with the writers employed by Tyler Perry.

http://www.variety.com/ar...4&cs=1

He should still hire a union crew. Cha know, those harding working everyday man and woman. That was the point of me posting that article.

Really?

A quote from the article that you posted:

Oddly, House of Payne is covered by SAG and the DGA, just not the WGA.

He's never been against unions. He just did not want to be bullied by the WGA.

ladygirl99 said:

Reel said:

I don't think that this is so much about Tyler possibly being gay as it is about exploiting his "church going audience" and some how duping them into thinking that he's not in drag....when in fact he is. As far as all of that other stuff in the Boondocks episode, I think that's their "view" along with a little Boondocks spin. Heck there are people participating in this discussion who are gay and don't believe in what Tyler is doing.

I read off another site just recently that the person who had helped wrote this episode used to work for Tyler Perry as a writer, and got fired by TP. That explained why that episode is more of a personal rather than humorous satire.

I do think that parts of that episode was funny as hell though. There are parts of it that I see myself, and I'm no insider to his production company. Ie. The appearance of the "male romeo / hero" that are always in his movies. They look very "hand picked" to me also. They all fit a certain profile.

Not sure about them trying to have Tyler "get down" with grandpa at the end though. That was kinda over the top. but thats the Boondocks. Well true or not, if I were Tyler...I would be pissed.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

sosgemini said:

Really?

A quote from the article that you posted:

Oddly, House of Payne is covered by SAG and the DGA, just not the WGA.

He's never been against unions. He just did not want to be bullied by the WGA.

Well I won't make statements like I KNOW him PERSONALLY, but the folks that I know that work in the biz out here in ATL say he's cheap, turn over is high, and is a hot mess. This is of course second party. But if your movies are of a chit'lin circuit quality, then I guess you should not expect much else in how it is created. Being that I am in the city where Tyler "Our Lord and Savior of Movies" Perry does his work, you hear it a lot.

"I asked Jesus, how will I bring the message to women? He said half naked men. And Jesus was pleased!" That episode was a scream beginning to end!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

sosgemini said:

Really?

A quote from the article that you posted:

Oddly, House of Payne is covered by SAG and the DGA, just not the WGA.

He's never been against unions. He just did not want to be bullied by the WGA.

It makes perfect sense to me. He's fighting for others not just himself.

ladygirl99 said:

Reel said:

I don't think that this is so much about Tyler possibly being gay as it is about exploiting his "church going audience" and some how duping them into thinking that he's not in drag....when in fact he is. As far as all of that other stuff in the Boondocks episode, I think that's their "view" along with a little Boondocks spin. Heck there are people participating in this discussion who are gay and don't believe in what Tyler is doing.

I read off another site just recently that the person who had helped wrote this episode used to work for Tyler Perry as a writer, and got fired by TP. That explained why that episode is more of a personal rather than humorous satire.

Well damn lol

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

sosgemini said:

Really?

A quote from the article that you posted:

Oddly, House of Payne is covered by SAG and the DGA, just not the WGA.

He's never been against unions. He just did not want to be bullied by the WGA.

He does not use union crews...SAG is for actors and DGA is for directors. Teamsters and others cover crews

[Edited 7/1/10 22:12pm]

sosgemini said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

He does not use union crews...SAG is for actors and DGA is for directors. Teamsters and others cover crews

[Edited 7/1/10 22:12pm]

That is straight BULLSHIT!

This is from the WGA's website when they reached an agreement with Tyler Perry Studios, be sure to read the part I highlighted!

http://www.wga.org/conten...px?id=3396

[Edited 7/2/10 6:17am]

Reel said:

laurarichardson said:

It is not every time and black people are not above being criticized however, when it is not constructive criticism but just ripping someone for grins and giggles it comes from a crab in the barrel mindset 99% of the time. ( I think the Boodocks episode was done in a mean-spirited manner and some of the attacks on Tyler are just on the border of gay bashing, I am not saying that is you motivation) Please do not bring white folks in to this as I am sure they have their issues with one another. I think you are smart enough to know African-Americans have a whole different set of each issue in terms of how we attack one another.

Like I said I do not care for his movies but he has a target audience that likes them who are you or I to tell other people what to look at or enjoy. You have a right to voice your opinion by not supporting Tyler at the box office.

[Edited 7/1/10 18:07pm]

And I also have the right to voice it in forums such as this one. As does everyone else.

Well you have voiced your opinion. Now if you take the time to read the other comments you will see that Tyler does use union workers( orgers were uninformed or just telling tall tales and the Boondocks was written by a fired writer who was attacking Tyler for personal reasons. Kind of backs up " the crabs in the barrel " syndrome.

Thanks Hatrina for posting the article that presents facts

and not jibberish.

laurarichardson said:

Reel said:

And I also have the right to voice it in forums such as this one. As does everyone else.

Well you have voiced your opinion. Now if you take the time to read the other comments you will see that Tyler does use union workers( orgers were uninformed or just telling tall tales and the Boondocks was written by a fired writer who was attacking Tyler for personal reasons. Kind of backs up " the crabs in the barrel " syndrome.

First of all, that discussion of Tyler not using union workers did not come from me. I really had no idea about any issues pertaining to that. Secondly...is it a fact that that episode was written by one fired writer? Is that really a documented fact?

To my knowledge, there are multiple writers for the series not just one lone Tyler Perry disgruntled ex-employee. Again, just because blacks are critical of other blacks ...regardless of the reason... it does not automatically equate to the "crabs in a barrel" phenomena. Geesh.

Reel said:

laurarichardson said:

Well you have voiced your opinion. Now if you take the time to read the other comments you will see that Tyler does use union workers( orgers were uninformed or just telling tall tales and the Boondocks was written by a fired writer who was attacking Tyler for personal reasons. Kind of backs up " the crabs in the barrel " syndrome.

...is it a fact that that episode was written by one fired writer? Is that really a documented fact?

To my knowledge, there are multiple writers for the series not just one lone Tyler Perry disgruntled ex-employee. Again, just because blacks are critical of other blacks ...regardless of the reason... it does not automatically equate to the "crabs in a barrel" phenomena. Geesh.

Not yet but I'll soon find out! As I stated in my first post on this topic, there's been something a little off...strange...weird...not quite right...about Season 3 to me, since the first episode.

Now I want to know what it is!

phunkdaddy said:

Thanks Hatrina for posting the article that presents facts

and not jibberish.

The Los Angeles Times, using unnamed sources, got some inside scoop on Perry’s reaction:

Soon after the episode aired, Perry got in touch with executives at Turner including entertainment chief Steve Koonin and Phil Kent, the chief executive of Turner Broadcasting. Perry complained loudly about the episode and even threatened to rethink his relationship with the company, people familiar with the situation said. A spokesman for Perry declined to comment.

http://blogs.ajc.com/radi...id=sldr_hm

Graycap23 said:

The Los Angeles Times, using unnamed sources, got some inside scoop on Perry’s reaction:

Soon after the episode aired, Perry got in touch with executives at Turner including entertainment chief Steve Koonin and Phil Kent, the chief executive of Turner Broadcasting. Perry complained loudly about the episode and even threatened to rethink his relationship with the company, people familiar with the situation said. A spokesman for Perry declined to comment.

http://blogs.ajc.com/radi...id=sldr_hm

Ha! But in all fairness to Tyler....I'd be pissed too whether or not that episode was true.

Reel said:

laurarichardson said:

Well you have voiced your opinion. Now if you take the time to read the other comments you will see that Tyler does use union workers( orgers were uninformed or just telling tall tales and the Boondocks was written by a fired writer who was attacking Tyler for personal reasons. Kind of backs up " the crabs in the barrel " syndrome.

First of all, that discussion of Tyler not using union workers did not come from me. I really had no idea about any issues pertaining to that. Secondly...is it a fact that that episode was written by one fired writer? Is that really a documented fact?

To my knowledge, there are multiple writers for the series not just one lone Tyler Perry disgruntled ex-employee. Again, just because blacks are critical of other blacks ...regardless of the reason... it does not automatically equate to the "crabs in a barrel" phenomena. Geesh.

".regardless of the reason." We know what the reason are in this case and the reason matter but, you are into "group think" so live in your world.

laurarichardson said:

Reel said:

First of all, that discussion of Tyler not using union workers did not come from me. I really had no idea about any issues pertaining to that. Secondly...is it a fact that that episode was written by one fired writer? Is that really a documented fact?

To my knowledge, there are multiple writers for the series not just one lone Tyler Perry disgruntled ex-employee. Again, just because blacks are critical of other blacks ...regardless of the reason... it does not automatically equate to the "crabs in a barrel" phenomena. Geesh.

".regardless of the reason." We know what the reason are in this case and the reason matter but, you are into "group think" so live in your world.

If I were into "group-think" I would be mindlessly digging Tylers work and would be apart of the masses of black folks who slap their knees and laugh at this sort of baffoonery. Instead, I'm saying that there is something better to bring to the masses. Before you use a term and decide to unscruplously pin it on someone, please check out the full meaning and usage of the term. Since this discussion started I have not called you any names, nor made any accusations about the type of person that I believe that you are. It would be nice if you could deliver the same consideration. I'm done discussiong this matter with you....it's like pissing in the wind.

The Boondocks Season 3, Episode 8, titled "Pause" was created and written by Rodney Barnes. This same Rodney Barnes is also listed as a writer for exactly one episode of Tyler Perry's "Meet The Browns", that aired June 3, 2009...that would be after Tyler's situation with the WGA.

He's also written and/or produced all of The Boondocks Season 3 episodes and he's been writting and/or producing for The Boondocks, amongst other shows, off and on since 2002.

http://www.imdb.com/name/...#tt0373732

This is all just FYI, for the moment. I don't know if Rodney Barnes was fired by Tyler Perry in 2009...yet! However, when and if I can connect that dot, I'll be sure to post about that, too.

Reel said:

laurarichardson said:

".regardless of the reason." We know what the reason are in this case and the reason matter but, you are into "group think" so live in your world.

If I were into "group-think" I would be mindlessly digging Tylers work and would be apart of the masses of black folks who slap their knees and laugh at this sort of baffoonery. Instead, I'm saying that there is something better to bring to the masses. Before you use a term and decide to unscruplously pin it on someone, please check out the full meaning and usage of the term. Since this discussion started I have not called you any names, nor made any accusations about the type of person that I believe that you are. It would be nice if you could deliver the same consideration. I'm done discussiong this matter with you....it's like pissing in the wind.

And TP still pays his staff shit, union or no union. "Mindlessly digging", or swinging on his sack?

Aaron McGruder's stock is rising once again.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

The Boondocks Season 3, Episode 8, titled "Pause" was created and written by Rodney Barnes. This same Rodney Barnes is also listed as a writer for exactly one episode of Tyler Perry's "Meet The Browns", that aired June 3, 2009...that would be after Tyler's situation with the WGA.

He's also written and/or produced all of The Boondocks Season 3 episodes and he's been writting and/or producing for The Boondocks, amongst other shows, off and on since 2002.

http://www.imdb.com/name/...#tt0373732

This is all just FYI, for the moment. I don't know if Rodney Barnes was fired by Tyler Perry in 2009...yet! However, when and if I can connect that dot, I'll be sure to post about that, too.

Gonna start calling you Investigator Hatrina. Good work, and good info.

For the record, Nikki Finke of Deadline Hollywood has been the one putting Perry to task for his anti-union stance. The fact that he was forced to live up to the writers guild contract is piss poor on his part. I googled to find out if Nikki is referring to his film crews and not television but couldn't find anything on it. With all this being said, Nikki doesn't fuck around so there's gotta be proof to justify her going after Amos.

sosgemini said:

For the record, Nikki Finke of Deadline Hollywood has been the one putting Perry to task for his anti-union stance. The fact that he was forced to live up to the writers guild contract is piss poor on his part. I googled to find out if Nikki is referring to his film crews and not television but couldn't find anything on it. With all this being said, Nikki doesn't fuck around so there's gotta be proof to justify her going after Amos.

I've read Nikki Finke's comments. Most of which can be found from here:

http://www.deadline.com/2...#more-7285

Her corresponding comments regarding the matter are linked at the bottom of that article.

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All of her comments are only about the writers who had been fired and the labor dispute with the WGA.

The labor dispute with the WGA occured because they were trying to force Tyler to rehire the fired writers in the midst of negotiating their contract and when he refused, they threatened to strike.

Since Tyler Perry Studios is financed 100% by Tyler Perry, with no backing from investors nor other studios, Tyler refused and told them that he doesn't have to have a WGA agreement because as an Independent, he DOESN'T.

The WGA went on strike, accusing Tyler Perry of negotiating in bad faith because they did not scare him and he would not be bullied by them. When they stopped trying to force him to rehire the fired writers, they reached an agreement.

As of today, there have been no other labor disputes at Tyler Perry Studios, meaning he did not fire his entire staff over The Boondocks episode either.

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Now Sos, I get that you don't like Tyler Perry. That's cool because you don't have to!

However, I must say this...hanging your contempt for him on some fictitious "Tyler Perry is anti-union" stance, is beneath you. It really is!

THAT WAS FUNNY! i like the boondocks humour

but i don't know much about tyler perry so i don't know what aspect is supposed to be similar to his life

is it the homosexual thing?

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

sosgemini said:

For the record, Nikki Finke of Deadline Hollywood has been the one putting Perry to task for his anti-union stance. The fact that he was forced to live up to the writers guild contract is piss poor on his part. I googled to find out if Nikki is referring to his film crews and not television but couldn't find anything on it. With all this being said, Nikki doesn't fuck around so there's gotta be proof to justify her going after Amos.

I've read Nikki Finke's comments. Most of which can be found from here:

http://www.deadline.com/2...#more-7285

Her corresponding comments regarding the matter are linked at the bottom of that article.

*******************************************************************************

All of her comments are only about the writers who had been fired and the labor dispute with the WGA.

The labor dispute with the WGA occured because they were trying to force Tyler to rehire the fired writers in the midst of negotiating their contract and when he refused, they threatened to strike.

Since Tyler Perry Studios is financed 100% by Tyler Perry, with no backing from investors nor other studios, Tyler refused and told them that he doesn't have to have a WGA agreement because as an Independent, he DOESN'T.

The WGA went on strike, accusing Tyler Perry of negotiating in bad faith because they did not scare him and he would not be bullied by them. When they stopped trying to force him to rehire the fired writers, they reached an agreement.

As of today, there have been no other labor disputes at Tyler Perry Studios, meaning he did not fire his entire staff over The Boondocks episode either.

*******************************************************************************

Now Sos, I get that you don't like Tyler Perry. That's cool because you don't have to!

However, I must say this...hanging your contempt for him on some fictitious "Tyler Perry is anti-union" stance, is beneath you. It really is!

As a pro-union supporter, anyone who will fight a contract (independent or not, WGA contracts are contracts--regardless if your an independent filmmaker or part of a studio), I am going to call out as anti-union. If being pro-working wages and advocating for working families is beneath you, well...go on with your bad self.

Again, I've seen other comments about him not employing union crews in his films. I'd be happen to see evidence otherwise though. But still, his actions against WGA is all the proof that I need that he is an anti-union tool.

sosgemini said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I've read Nikki Finke's comments. Most of which can be found from here:

http://www.deadline.com/2...#more-7285

Her corresponding comments regarding the matter are linked at the bottom of that article.

*******************************************************************************

All of her comments are only about the writers who had been fired and the labor dispute with the WGA.

The labor dispute with the WGA occured because they were trying to force Tyler to rehire the fired writers in the midst of negotiating their contract and when he refused, they threatened to strike.

Since Tyler Perry Studios is financed 100% by Tyler Perry, with no backing from investors nor other studios, Tyler refused and told them that he doesn't have to have a WGA agreement because as an Independent, he DOESN'T.

The WGA went on strike, accusing Tyler Perry of negotiating in bad faith because they did not scare him and he would not be bullied by them. When they stopped trying to force him to rehire the fired writers, they reached an agreement.

As of today, there have been no other labor disputes at Tyler Perry Studios, meaning he did not fire his entire staff over The Boondocks episode either.

*******************************************************************************

Now Sos, I get that you don't like Tyler Perry. That's cool because you don't have to!

However, I must say this...hanging your contempt for him on some fictitious "Tyler Perry is anti-union" stance, is beneath you. It really is!

As a pro-union supporter, anyone who will fight a contract (independent or not, WGA contracts are contracts--regardless if your an independent filmmaker or part of a studio), I am going to call out as anti-union. If being pro-working wages and advocating for working families is beneath you, well...go on with your bad self.

Again, I've seen other comments about him not employing union crews in his films. I'd be happen to see evidence otherwise though. But still, his actions against WGA is all the proof that I need that he is an anti-union tool.

My husband retired from Ford Motor Company, six years ago with a very nice retirement package, thanks to the efforts of the UAW. So I'm VERY Pro-Union! AND I also happen to be an independent filmmaker, so I had a vested interest in this issue.

I just don't let my personal feelings nor the comments of others that don't back up their claims with documented facts, cloud my better judgement on such important matters. If I'm wrong in my thinking that you are better than that, as well. So be it!

.

[Edited 7/4/10 12:23pm]

Reel said:

laurarichardson said:

".regardless of the reason." We know what the reason are in this case and the reason matter but, you are into "group think" so live in your world.

If I were into "group-think" I would be mindlessly digging Tylers work and would be apart of the masses of black folks who slap their knees and laugh at this sort of baffoonery. Instead, I'm saying that there is something better to bring to the masses. Before you use a term and decide to unscruplously pin it on someone, please check out the full meaning and usage of the term. Since this discussion started I have not called you any names, nor made any accusations about the type of person that I believe that you are. It would be nice if you could deliver the same consideration. I'm done discussiong this matter with you....it's like pissing in the wind.

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I say you are into "Group-Think" because from your comments you think all black people should like the same types of entertainment and you have decided what that entertainment will be.

We are not all one monolithic group as I said before I am not a fan of Tyler's work but I respect his hustle and I cannot force what I consider to be good writing and acting on other African-Americans. Now I think I have explained the term 'group-think" in the context that I am using it so you can relax and not have a fucking breakdown. Try learning how to have a discussion without letting everything get under your thin skin because I sure the black folk that you are dissing and looking your nose down on for liking Tyler's work would not be offended.

I am not a Black Christian woman, I am a woman and I do like Tyler Perry..

Madea makes me laugh.

Oopsy edit.

[Edited 7/6/10 11:30am]

laurarichardson said:

Reel said:

If I were into "group-think" I would be mindlessly digging Tylers work and would be apart of the masses of black folks who slap their knees and laugh at this sort of baffoonery. Instead, I'm saying that there is something better to bring to the masses. Before you use a term and decide to unscruplously pin it on someone, please check out the full meaning and usage of the term. Since this discussion started I have not called you any names, nor made any accusations about the type of person that I believe that you are. It would be nice if you could deliver the same consideration. I'm done discussiong this matter with you....it's like pissing in the wind.

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I say you are into "Group-Think" because from your comments you think all black people should like the same types of entertainment and you have decided what that entertainment will be.

We are not all one monolithic group as I said before I am not a fan of Tyler's work but I respect his hustle and I cannot force what I consider to be good writing and acting on other African-Americans. Now I think I have explained the term 'group-think" in the context that I am using it so you can relax and not have a fucking breakdown. Try learning how to have a discussion without letting everything get under your thin skin because I sure the black folk that you are dissing and looking your nose down on for liking Tyler's work would not be offended.

Wow, you are getting pretty hostile over the discussion about someone that you don't know, to the point where you are rudely attacking the viewpoints of others. I will voice my opinion on whatever I wish. And if I don't "respect his hustle", who the hell are you to tell me that I should?

People have the right to "hate" his work, just like you have the right to accept it. So stop being self-righteous and get a damned grip.

Reel said:

Wow, you are getting pretty hostile over the discussion about someone that you don't know, to the point where you are rudely attacking the viewpoints of others. I will voice my opinion on whatever I wish. And if I don't "respect his hustle", who the hell are you to tell me that I should?

People have the right to "hate" his work, just like you have the right to accept it. So stop being self-righteous and get a damned grip.

Said the person that entered the next message on another thread;

Reel said:

"I think that you should stay out of my posts. We have nothing "good' to engage in discussions about. Furthermore, your opinion about anything that I type does not matter. So stop wasting your time."

Take yer own advice!