TonyVanDam said:

phunkdaddy said:

I get the fact that people like to rip Tyler for coonery in some of his work although

i only see the Meet the Browns character as a loud example of such. What gets me is

the same people that crack the whip on Tyler for his work are and were huge fans

of Good Times. Try telling me their wasn't any coonery in that sitcom.

Jimmie Walker and Bernadette Stanis are also supporters of Tyler Perry.

I was even more of a fan of All In A Family & The Jeffersons. Both of these shows were guilty for it share of controversies (including some coonery from a few white and black characters alike).

But hot damn it, I still enjoy some of those classic episodes every now and then. Why? Because of the political incorrectness of it! By the end of the day, the viewing audience of all backgrounds wants AND needs a good laugh at themselves. Even in 2010, we still do.

So why are we in general are going to hate on Madea now, when we almost NEVER hated on Archie Bunker, George Jefferson, Fred Sanford, James "J.J." Evans Jr, OR any other character of the 1970's that were funny as hell to laugh with and/or laugh at?!?

Think about it.

Because the scripts weren't written like a teen afterschool made for TV movie, or a Black Lifetime movie that was picked off the cutting room floor. Plus it was TV, not cinema. Different world

Reel said:

laurarichardson said:

Is it not Perry's business if he wants to hide his sexuality? Why is his ability to make money so upsetting to so many people when white corporate media outlets produce all sorts of stereotypical programming that black people spend a lot of time and money on?

I do not think by any means that Perry is a talented film maker but I really think some of the haterade directed at him falls into the crabs in the barrel mindset.

See...I'm a prophet! If yall check my very first post on this thread I said this would happen....I KNEW that the ole "crabs in a barrel" cliche' was just around the corner and would inevitably be hurled at someone when they critique Tyler Perry in the presence of other black folks. Surprised that it wasn't said by somebody sooner. It ALWAYS happens during discussions; which is why in the real world I never even go this far in discussing my disappointments with Tyler.

Tyler's a powerful black man with limited accountablity who's powerful enough to help change the status quo, but instead wallows in it and re-serves it to us....sort of like serving the people "sugar on shhhh", and telling them that the sugar makes it muchable.

Now if I could only use that prophecy to win the lotto.

"crabs in a barrel" cliche' I am sorry that you are so out of touch that you do not see "crabs in a barrel is alive and well in the African American community. I realize that Tyler is not a good writer but for whatever reason their is an audience for his work. Who are you to say to the entire community what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. The only thing you can do is not support the man's work and let others enjoy it and be glad he found a legal hustle that employs other black people and do not get on a gay witchhunt.

laurarichardson said:

Reel said:

See...I'm a prophet! If yall check my very first post on this thread I said this would happen....I KNEW that the ole "crabs in a barrel" cliche' was just around the corner and would inevitably be hurled at someone when they critique Tyler Perry in the presence of other black folks. Surprised that it wasn't said by somebody sooner. It ALWAYS happens during discussions; which is why in the real world I never even go this far in discussing my disappointments with Tyler.

Tyler's a powerful black man with limited accountablity who's powerful enough to help change the status quo, but instead wallows in it and re-serves it to us....sort of like serving the people "sugar on shhhh", and telling them that the sugar makes it muchable.

Now if I could only use that prophecy to win the lotto.

"crabs in a barrel" cliche' I am sorry that you are so out of touch that you do not see "crabs in a barrel is alive and well in the African American community. I realize that Tyler is not a good writer but for whatever reason their is an audience for his work. Who are you to say to the entire community what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. The only thing you can do is not support the man's work and let others enjoy it and be glad he found a legal hustle that employs other black people and do not get on a gay witchhunt.

phunkdaddy said:

laurarichardson said:

"crabs in a barrel" cliche' I am sorry that you are so out of touch that you do not see "crabs in a barrel is alive and well in the African American community. I realize that Tyler is not a good writer but for whatever reason their is an audience for his work. Who are you to say to the entire community what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. The only thing you can do is not support the man's work and let others enjoy it and be glad he found a legal hustle that employs other black people and do not get on a gay witchhunt.

There's also the fact that he refuses to unionize his black crew which means he is underpaying them. How's that for brotherly love? Making his millions by refusing to give his brothers and sisters the proper working wages their non-black counterparts get.

People defending this fool? :headshake:

sosgemini said:

phunkdaddy said:

There's also the fact that he refuses to unionize his black crew which means he is underpaying them. How's that for brotherly love? Making his millions by refusing to give his brothers and sisters the proper working wages their non-black counterparts get.

People defending this fool? :headshake:

Why? I mean it's entertainers that i don't care for but it isn't my goal in life

to get on a forum and bitch about them 24/7. I don't put Tyler on this pedestal as

the greatest filmmaker kick but the backlash the guy receives is crazy. I don't know

whether the underpaying thing is true or not. This is the first i've heard of it. That being

said Tyler is the one director who is consistently employing these folks. He's put Tasha

Smith on the map. Also who are employing the non black counterparts? They also

aren't employing their black counterparts. The movie industry is all about ebb and flow.

You can name your price when you're hot but you can't when you're not. Tyler is in the

business to make money. That's why he is a film director. Just as an owner who owns

a professional sports team, he's in it to make money and he can do that because he owns

the team. He isn't in it to have his employees make the same salary he makes.

phunkdaddy said:

sosgemini said:

There's also the fact that he refuses to unionize his black crew which means he is underpaying them. How's that for brotherly love? Making his millions by refusing to give his brothers and sisters the proper working wages their non-black counterparts get.

People defending this fool? :headshake:

Why? I mean it's entertainers that i don't care for but it isn't my goal in life

to get on a forum and bitch about them 24/7. I don't put Tyler on this pedestal as

the greatest filmmaker kick but the backlash the guy receives is crazy. I don't know

whether the underpaying thing is true or not. This is the first i've heard of it. That being

said Tyler is the one director who is consistently employing these folks. He's put Tasha

Smith on the map. Also who are employing the non black counterparts? They also

aren't employing their black counterparts. The movie industry is all about ebb and flow.

You can name your price when you're hot but you can't when you're not. Tyler is in the

business to make money. That's why he is a film director. Just as an owner who owns

a professional sports team, he's in it to make money and he can do that because he owns

the team. He isn't in it to have his employees make the same salary he makes.

Yeah, he employs them at cheaper wages: http://www.mediapundit.ne...rover.html

The dude is a disgrace and I for one am glad others are starting to stand up to this modern day Amos N Andy slave owning fool.

laurarichardson said:

Reel said:

See...I'm a prophet! If yall check my very first post on this thread I said this would happen....I KNEW that the ole "crabs in a barrel" cliche' was just around the corner and would inevitably be hurled at someone when they critique Tyler Perry in the presence of other black folks. Surprised that it wasn't said by somebody sooner. It ALWAYS happens during discussions; which is why in the real world I never even go this far in discussing my disappointments with Tyler.

Tyler's a powerful black man with limited accountablity who's powerful enough to help change the status quo, but instead wallows in it and re-serves it to us....sort of like serving the people "sugar on shhhh", and telling them that the sugar makes it muchable.

Now if I could only use that prophecy to win the lotto.

"crabs in a barrel" cliche' I am sorry that you are so out of touch that you do not see "crabs in a barrel is alive and well in the African American community. I realize that Tyler is not a good writer but for whatever reason their is an audience for his work. Who are you to say to the entire community what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. The only thing you can do is not support the man's work and let others enjoy it and be glad he found a legal hustle that employs other black people and do not get on a gay witchhunt.

I honesty don't think it's about him being or not being gay, that's just seems to be a convenient cover.

sosgemini said:

phunkdaddy said:

Why? I mean it's entertainers that i don't care for but it isn't my goal in life

to get on a forum and bitch about them 24/7. I don't put Tyler on this pedestal as

the greatest filmmaker kick but the backlash the guy receives is crazy. I don't know

whether the underpaying thing is true or not. This is the first i've heard of it. That being

said Tyler is the one director who is consistently employing these folks. He's put Tasha

Smith on the map. Also who are employing the non black counterparts? They also

aren't employing their black counterparts. The movie industry is all about ebb and flow.

You can name your price when you're hot but you can't when you're not. Tyler is in the

business to make money. That's why he is a film director. Just as an owner who owns

a professional sports team, he's in it to make money and he can do that because he owns

the team. He isn't in it to have his employees make the same salary he makes.

Yeah, he employs them at cheaper wages: http://www.mediapundit.ne...rover.html

The dude is a disgrace and I for one am glad others are starting to stand up to this modern day Amos N Andy slave owning fool.

Oh please! That had more to do with the WGA throwing it's weight around, in case anybody else got any bright ass ideas about building their own independent production houses, outside of Hollywood, than it did with the writers employed by Tyler Perry.

http://www.variety.com/ar...4&cs=1

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

sosgemini said:

Yeah, he employs them at cheaper wages: http://www.mediapundit.ne...rover.html

The dude is a disgrace and I for one am glad others are starting to stand up to this modern day Amos N Andy slave owning fool.

Oh please! That had more to do with the WGA throwing it's weight around, in case anybody else got any bright ass ideas about building their own independent production houses, outside of Hollywood, than it did with the writers employed by Tyler Perry.

http://www.variety.com/ar...4&cs=1

He should still hire a union crew. Cha know, those harding working everyday man and woman. That was the point of me posting that article.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

For all the people so afraid of the effect that Tyler Perry's "empire" may have on the negative status quo thinking of people of all races in this country.

I have to ask where are your complaints about all the so called "reality" shows out there, which are nothing more than scripted shuck and jive buffoonery, being passed off as REALITY?

Exactly. I am not totally of the Team Tyler here but if ppl going to critcise his minstrel work they need also to do the same for hip hop. I know some SAME people who dogged Tyler Perry are the same ones who nods to Lil Wayne, Slim Thug, and other garbage minstel mainstream rappers.

The Boondocks spoof actually pointed out the very obvious of Tyler's formula for his films.

And his films & hip-hop's mainstream circus I don't see no different except for the context since his films focus on a Christian church-like atmosphere. "Lean on God when you go through problems" is basically a format that works on his films and he has an audience that loves that stuff. Like I said, find a formula for your work and you too can make a billion dollars.

KatSkrizzle said:

paisleypark4 said:

The whole thing is very homophobic also..it doesnt anger me however it shoots down a positivie man for the possibility of being gay "in Jesus name".....just makes it harder to be a gay black man with shit like this. "Can I just get some ass?" really? Thats what Tyler is all about?

[Edited 6/28/10 19:11pm]

Pretty much. Bunch a greazzzed up half naked men, all over the stage, his movies, and his compound!

Tyler is about simple trite stories, and serving his kool aid. I have a friend that works in the film circuit here in ATL and she sums up TP as a hot ghetto mess. The set is disorganized, no one knows what to do, and TP gets missing for DAYS. While staff come to work everyday to sit and do...nothing. But get paid. That's a mess. And it is also a waste of TP's money. And the other thing I'll say is TP treats his staff the way Kathy Hughes does her Radio One staff. Like mules.

I can't say I've ever heard that about Cube. Maybe he does, I don't know. But you never heard nasty rumors about Mr. Cube.

I think that sounds about right. Angela Bassett said the same thing that working for Tyler was one of her worst experience in her career or something similar. She was candid about this and said he was disorganized. She supposed to be in another project with him but I wondered if she back away or he heard her went to the media about her experience...

I also heard too from people who worked at his studio that hardly people there stays around its high turnover rate. I would like to hear two sides to this story though.

ladygirl99 said:

KatSkrizzle said:

Pretty much. Bunch a greazzzed up half naked men, all over the stage, his movies, and his compound!

Tyler is about simple trite stories, and serving his kool aid. I have a friend that works in the film circuit here in ATL and she sums up TP as a hot ghetto mess. The set is disorganized, no one knows what to do, and TP gets missing for DAYS. While staff come to work everyday to sit and do...nothing. But get paid. That's a mess. And it is also a waste of TP's money. And the other thing I'll say is TP treats his staff the way Kathy Hughes does her Radio One staff. Like mules.

I can't say I've ever heard that about Cube. Maybe he does, I don't know. But you never heard nasty rumors about Mr. Cube.

I think that sounds about right. Angela Bassett said the same thing that working for Tyler was one of her worst experience in her career or something similar. She was candid about this and said he was disorganized. She supposed to be in another project with him but I wondered if she back away or he heard her went to the media about her experience...

I also heard too from people who worked at his studio that hardly people there stays around its high turnover rate. I would like to hear two sides to this story though.

Hmm, I wonder where this Angela article is where she basically said this, I like to read it.

Timmy84 said:

ladygirl99 said:

I think that sounds about right. Angela Bassett said the same thing that working for Tyler was one of her worst experience in her career or something similar. She was candid about this and said he was disorganized. She supposed to be in another project with him but I wondered if she back away or he heard her went to the media about her experience...

I also heard too from people who worked at his studio that hardly people there stays around its high turnover rate. I would like to hear two sides to this story though.

Hmm, I wonder where this Angela article is where she basically said this, I like to read it.

I read off another board awhile back that she wasnt too please with working for tyler perry due to unprofessionalism.

Hero0101 said:

HonestMan13 said:

Tyler Perry is one production deal with LOGO away from being Rupaul. He's a drag queen, pure and simple. He makes his living by putting on a dress and overhyping stereotypical behavior. Sounds like a drag queen to me!

The funny thing about all of this is...being a drag queen or a transvestite DOES NOT make you gay. Case in point: Eddie Izzard -- straight as an arrow, yet a transvestite. Still, Tyler wearing a dress as "Madea" gets him instantly labelled gay.

Now whether he is or not...we'll let him answer that question.

=0P

I don't what his preference is but i have noticed that black people do not consider him a drag queen when for all intents and purposes that's exactly what he is and that's what put him on the map. He should just own it and work it like every other black drag queen out there. instead he throws in a bunch of old school black religiuos mumbo jumbo into it and claims it's something entirely different. He can call it whatever he's still a man in a dress.

Tyler Perry basically cater to a very ignore demographic but yes have buying power: black Christian women.

Now there are some people enjoy his films and I do like some of his work but I would love to see more choices outside of Tyler Perry of having movies with black women as being the lead not being the white female's best friend or sidekick or a black male character's hoochie mama or ghetto fabilous sister or white man interracial fantasy.

I would like to see more films gearing toward black women overall but with less religious themes though unlike Perry's work. I like to see more Waiting to Exhale, Disappearing Acts, Girlfriends, the Game, Half and Half, and Living Single type of film and tv series but MORE realistic and intelligent portrayal of black women. Now if filmmakers wants to make that Tyler Perry dough then do like he do! Aiming your project toward black women BUT do it better, give Tyler some competition damnit instead of complaining and wailing about the man's hustling (ahem Spike Lee!) . See Ice Cube even he is taking advantage of it with Are We There Yet on TBS despite the fact Terry Crews is the lead but still Essence Aktins and Thelma Hopskins are on the show and had a following from their Half and Half days and plus the show also gearing toward black female demo or Tyler Perry demo. Even Vh1 acknowledge the importance of black female demo with some of their decent and crappy reality shows and THEY are making money off of us, so filmmakers need to step up and stop complaining and stop underestimate this demo; and Black women are like white women we want to see ourselves as the lead not some sidekick or prop. Whatever we feel about Tyler he shrewd businessman and giving what some people wants.

If filmmakers give black women more options in Hollywood, stop ignoring us and give us well written movies about us, then Tyler Perry's career would be affected but until a filmmaker comes along to counterattack, Perry is practically the only option that many black women has as far as going to see movies. Sadly but true! I would also like to see more of my favorite black actresses working instead of waiting that 3am call from Mr. Perry

ladygirl99 said:

Tyler Perry basically cater to a very ignore demographic but yes have buying power: black Christian women.

Did you mean to say "ignored" or "ignorant"?

I'm really hoping you meant ignored, because as a Black Christian woman, I was about to be offended- but decided to ask first.

phunkdaddy said:

sosgemini said:

There's also the fact that he refuses to unionize his black crew which means he is underpaying them. How's that for brotherly love? Making his millions by refusing to give his brothers and sisters the proper working wages their non-black counterparts get.

People defending this fool? :headshake:

Why? I mean it's entertainers that i don't care for but it isn't my goal in life

to get on a forum and bitch about them 24/7. I don't put Tyler on this pedestal as

the greatest filmmaker kick but the backlash the guy receives is crazy. I don't know

whether the underpaying thing is true or not. This is the first i've heard of it. That being

said Tyler is the one director who is consistently employing these folks. He's put Tasha

Smith on the map. Also who are employing the non black counterparts? They also

aren't employing their black counterparts. The movie industry is all about ebb and flow.

You can name your price when you're hot but you can't when you're not. Tyler is in the

business to make money. That's why he is a film director. Just as an owner who owns

a professional sports team, he's in it to make money and he can do that because he owns

the team. He isn't in it to have his employees make the same salary he makes.

Exactly. Because of Tyler Perry, I get to see some of my favorite black actors that I haven't seen in a LONG time otherwise they would be ignore.

Again I am not a hardcore TP fan. Instead of some people complaining about Tyler Perry, get your own product and MAKE it better! Give these black actors more options other than waiting on calls from TP. Ice Cube is now doing it. Queen Latifah is doing it producing a new show on VH1 gearing toward younger black female demo. Where is the rest.....?

^^Oh yeah, let me bust open my rolodex and start bankrolling movies, today.

Come on folks, realistically, only a few people have had the opportunity that Perry has and up until this point, black filmmakers have always striven for a good balance between craft and commerce. Perry don't give a sh*t so you all shouldn't expect a backlash. Couple that with his pimping of religion to make a buck while hiding his sexuality and then his anti-union stance and well...are you really surprised progressives are out to get him?

laurarichardson said:

Reel said:

See...I'm a prophet! If yall check my very first post on this thread I said this would happen....I KNEW that the ole "crabs in a barrel" cliche' was just around the corner and would inevitably be hurled at someone when they critique Tyler Perry in the presence of other black folks. Surprised that it wasn't said by somebody sooner. It ALWAYS happens during discussions; which is why in the real world I never even go this far in discussing my disappointments with Tyler.

Tyler's a powerful black man with limited accountablity who's powerful enough to help change the status quo, but instead wallows in it and re-serves it to us....sort of like serving the people "sugar on shhhh", and telling them that the sugar makes it muchable.

Now if I could only use that prophecy to win the lotto.

"crabs in a barrel" cliche' I am sorry that you are so out of touch that you do not see "crabs in a barrel is alive and well in the African American community. I realize that Tyler is not a good writer but for whatever reason their is an audience for his work. Who are you to say to the entire community what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. The only thing you can do is not support the man's work and let others enjoy it and be glad he found a legal hustle that employs other black people and do not get on a gay witchhunt.

Why do I have to be "out of touch" because I don't believe that everytime there is a black critic of a black artists, athelete, actor, producer, writer, director, politician and overall thriving individual...that all critics of the aforementioned are automatically "crabs in a barrel"? Heck there are white folks that are mean and critical of themselves and each other, and you hardly ever see them hurl that ole "okey doke" crabs in a barrel nonsense. I liken the "crabs in a barrel" defense to Colt 45.....Works Everytime!

And I have every right to voice my views on what I believe is nonsense, as you have to voice yours on what you say is ok and acceptable for the masses.

sosgemini said:

phunkdaddy said:

There's also the fact that he refuses to unionize his black crew which means he is underpaying them. How's that for brotherly love? Making his millions by refusing to give his brothers and sisters the proper working wages their non-black counterparts get.

People defending this fool? :headshake:

You're right. he doesn't unionize. Most movie staff don't make A LOT of money, but my girlfriends tell me he is the chit'lin circuit if you work for him.

ladygirl99 said:

phunkdaddy said:

Why? I mean it's entertainers that i don't care for but it isn't my goal in life

to get on a forum and bitch about them 24/7. I don't put Tyler on this pedestal as

the greatest filmmaker kick but the backlash the guy receives is crazy. I don't know

whether the underpaying thing is true or not. This is the first i've heard of it. That being

said Tyler is the one director who is consistently employing these folks. He's put Tasha

Smith on the map. Also who are employing the non black counterparts? They also

aren't employing their black counterparts. The movie industry is all about ebb and flow.

You can name your price when you're hot but you can't when you're not. Tyler is in the

business to make money. That's why he is a film director. Just as an owner who owns

a professional sports team, he's in it to make money and he can do that because he owns

the team. He isn't in it to have his employees make the same salary he makes.

Exactly. Because of Tyler Perry, I get to see some of my favorite black actors that I haven't seen in a LONG time otherwise they would be ignore.

Again I am not a hardcore TP fan. Instead of some people complaining about Tyler Perry, get your own product and MAKE it better! Give these black actors more options other than waiting on calls from TP. Ice Cube is now doing it. Queen Latifah is doing it producing a new show on VH1 gearing toward younger black female demo. Where is the rest.....?

Yes, he does put older or yesterday's stars to work. Why? Because they're cheap. He has his hustle on! But it works for the actors, so that's a positive.

KatSkrizzle said:

sosgemini said:

There's also the fact that he refuses to unionize his black crew which means he is underpaying them. How's that for brotherly love? Making his millions by refusing to give his brothers and sisters the proper working wages their non-black counterparts get.

People defending this fool? :headshake:

You're right. he doesn't unionize. Most movie staff don't make A LOT of money, but my girlfriends tell me he is the chit'lin circuit if you work for him.

And that's just nasty. Shoot, the Wayan Bros. been trying for years to put together a studio in Oakland to elevate our people. This dude, Ms. Perry, he is just all sortsa wrong, on all levels.

phunkdaddy said:

laurarichardson said:

"crabs in a barrel" cliche' I am sorry that you are so out of touch that you do not see "crabs in a barrel is alive and well in the African American community. I realize that Tyler is not a good writer but for whatever reason their is an audience for his work. Who are you to say to the entire community what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. The only thing you can do is not support the man's work and let others enjoy it and be glad he found a legal hustle that employs other black people and do not get on a gay witchhunt.

I don't think that this is so much about Tyler possibly being gay as it is about exploiting his "church going audience" and some how duping them into thinking that he's not in drag....when in fact he is. As far as all of that other stuff in the Boondocks episode, I think that's their "view" along with a little Boondocks spin. Heck there are people participating in this discussion who are gay and don't believe in what Tyler is doing.

Reel said:

laurarichardson said:

"crabs in a barrel" cliche' I am sorry that you are so out of touch that you do not see "crabs in a barrel is alive and well in the African American community. I realize that Tyler is not a good writer but for whatever reason their is an audience for his work. Who are you to say to the entire community what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. The only thing you can do is not support the man's work and let others enjoy it and be glad he found a legal hustle that employs other black people and do not get on a gay witchhunt.

Why do I have to be "out of touch" because I don't believe that everytime there is a black critic of a black artists, athelete, actor, producer, writer, director, politician and overall thriving individual...that all critics of the aforementioned are automatically "crabs in a barrel"? Heck there are white folks that are mean and critical of themselves and each other, and you hardly ever see them hurl that ole "okey doke" crabs in a barrel nonsense. I liken the "crabs in a barrel" defense to Colt 45.....Works Everytime!

And I have every right to voice my views on what I believe is nonsense, as you have to voice yours on what you say is ok and acceptable for the masses.

It is not every time and black people are not above being criticized however, when it is not constructive criticism but just ripping someone for grins and giggles it comes from a crab in the barrel mindset 99% of the time. ( I think the Boodocks episode was done in a mean-spirited manner and some of the attacks on Tyler are just on the border of gay bashing, I am not saying that is you motivation) Please do not bring white folks in to this as I am sure they have their issues with one another. I think you are smart enough to know African-Americans have a whole different set of each issue in terms of how we attack one another.

Like I said I do not care for his movies but he has a target audience that likes them who are you or I to tell other people what to look at or enjoy. You have a right to voice your opinion by not supporting Tyler at the box office.

[Edited 7/1/10 18:07pm]

chocolate1 said:

ladygirl99 said:

Tyler Perry basically cater to a very ignore demographic but yes have buying power: black Christian women.

Did you mean to say "ignored" or "ignorant"?

I'm really hoping you meant ignored, because as a Black Christian woman, I was about to be offended- but decided to ask first.

Oh what I meant ignored!

laurarichardson said:

Reel said:

Why do I have to be "out of touch" because I don't believe that everytime there is a black critic of a black artists, athelete, actor, producer, writer, director, politician and overall thriving individual...that all critics of the aforementioned are automatically "crabs in a barrel"? Heck there are white folks that are mean and critical of themselves and each other, and you hardly ever see them hurl that ole "okey doke" crabs in a barrel nonsense. I liken the "crabs in a barrel" defense to Colt 45.....Works Everytime!

And I have every right to voice my views on what I believe is nonsense, as you have to voice yours on what you say is ok and acceptable for the masses.

It is not every time and black people are not above being criticized however, when it is not constructive criticism but just ripping someone for grins and giggles it comes from a crab in the barrel mindset 99% of the time. ( I think the Boodocks episode was done in a mean-spirited manner and some of the attacks on Tyler are just on the border of gay bashing, I am not saying that is you motivation) Please do not bring white folks in to this as I am sure they have their issues with one another. I think you are smart enough to know African-Americans have a whole different set of each issue in terms of how we attack one another.

Like I said I do not care for his movies but he has a target audience that likes them who are you or I to tell other people what to look at or enjoy. You have a right to voice your opinion by not supporting Tyler at the box office.

[Edited 7/1/10 18:07pm]

And I also have the right to voice it in forums such as this one. As does everyone else.

ladygirl99 said:

chocolate1 said:

Did you mean to say "ignored" or "ignorant"?

I'm really hoping you meant ignored, because as a Black Christian woman, I was about to be offended- but decided to ask first.

Oh what I meant ignored!

Thanks!

sosgemini said:

^^Oh yeah, let me bust open my rolodex and start bankrolling movies, today.

Come on folks, realistically, only a few people have had the opportunity that Perry has and up until this point, black filmmakers have always striven for a good balance between craft and commerce. Perry don't give a sh*t so you all shouldn't expect a backlash. Couple that with his pimping of religion to make a buck while hiding his sexuality and then his anti-union stance and well...are you really surprised progressives are out to get him?

Yeah I am disappointed that Tyler Perry doesnt comes out, as being bisexual myself, and I think he should but I am also more mad too of how he uses religion for his benefit and to deceive others.

But there are filmmakers and showcallers the ones who have and resources instead of complaining, why don't they make a quality movies, gearing toward black women, and steal Tyler Perry's thunder. Complaining about Tyler "shucking and jiving" all day long WILL not stop the man from continuing laughing to the bank... unless he comes out haha.

If that filmmaker comes along, I will support him/her. Until then Tyler Perry is the only alternative on the scene right now. Its sucks but that is reality.