cborgman said:

johnart said:

I get you on the religion stuff.

I feel DEEPLY about religion and not in the way religious folk do.

I'd have to watch the movie (Why Did I Get Married) again. I don't remember what came after prayer, but I thought the women took control of their lives, which is why I didn't mind them "praying" on their issues. I could be wrong.

after that, i pretty much checked out of the movie and just began observing the audience's reaction to it.

I hoot and holler at the screen.

OOOH GURRRRRRRL NO!!!!...yeah like that.

johnart said:

cborgman said:

after that, i pretty much checked out of the movie and just began observing the audience's reaction to it.

I hoot and holler at the screen.

OOOH GURRRRRRRL NO!!!!...yeah like that.

and you probably take bottles of alcohol in the theater

Let's do a shot whenever somebody breathes

bboy87 said:

johnart said:

I hoot and holler at the screen.

OOOH GURRRRRRRL NO!!!!...yeah like that.

and you probably take bottles of alcohol in the theater

Let's do a shot whenever somebody breathes

My waterbottle was green (appletini) when I was forced to go see Start Trek Imax.

johnart said:

bboy87 said:

and you probably take bottles of alcohol in the theater

Let's do a shot whenever somebody breathes

My waterbottle was green (appletini) when I was forced to go see Start Trek Imax.

Why does that sound like a cool idea?

johnart said:

cborgman said:

god, i sound like the most pompous and self-congratulatory amateur writer to ever string two words together in this thread

Honey we know and love your self-congratulatory (jk) ass.

the best compliments i have gotten (and i am generally awful at taking compliments) on gaging and beasts have been the ones that have picked up on how much i have shifted the comic book cliches in gaging and how much i have kept the lines of guilt and innocence blurred in beasts.

i am not sure people always conciously notice them (as i'd like to think i did it fairly subtly) so much as subconciously, but they're there if you look for them. kevin is my favorite example. he is the most innocent character by far, which would normally mean he would be the damsel in distress, but i would argue he is by far the true hero in gaging. he is very subtle about it, but is relentless and unquestioning in his desire to save ben from himself, something that noel as the superficial hero doesnt even have as much as kevin does. compare him to anna who is in the damsel in distress position but constantly works against that cliche by being a rude, obnoxious, surface level insane drug addict with a foul mouth, and who is probably the most aggressive character, which would normally be the villan. and then you have ben who would normally be the supporting sidekick character who really is arguably the villan of the piece, and yet is also the lead.

i love playing with cliches and shifting them. i personally think that's what makes great writing versus the same tired thing you've seen with the same cliches and stock characters performing the same stock choices and acts.

cborgman said:

johnart said:

Why do you detest him?

I only started checking out his movies in recent months and like the 4 movies I've seen of his. (Diary of a Mad Black Woman, Medea's Family Reunion, Medea Goes to Jail and I Can do Bad All by Myself).

I don't know what his personal stances are.

I don't watch the Boondocks.

I have no idea what this episode is supposed to be revealing about him.

[Edited 6/25/10 21:55pm]

well, personally, and it is only my opinion, i think that his movies are poorly written and directed pandering bits of fluff that try to pass themselves off as something deep, and i agree with spike lee that there is a whole lot of cooning and buffoonery in his stuff.

as far as his personal life, i dont particularly care, but i do find it fascinating that he is a gay man who is pandering to christians and somehow successfully selling them a lame drag character by just talking a whole lot about jesus and god. but, that doesnt bother me half as much as how poorly written and directed his stuff is. that is the cardinal sin of him for me.

there is part of me that appreciates that he is out to make money, and will do anything to get it, but there is part of me that thinks it's uncle tomming to pretend to be straight to make his fortune off christian fundamnetalists, and manipulating an audience by feeding them mass quantities of cinematic high fructose corn syrup with a made by jesus label.

there are a wealth of far superior black writers and directors with strong and interesting voices and stories who are ignored while he is raking it in hand over fist by pandering.

just my opinion though.

[Edited 6/25/10 22:31pm]

Shhh...don't tell black people that because they'll be "berry berry angry" and accuse you of being a crab in a barrel if you "happen" to be black. Trust me, I know first handedly which is why I don't even go there anymore.

johnart said:

cborgman said:

after that, i pretty much checked out of the movie and just began observing the audience's reaction to it.

I hoot and holler at the screen.

OOOH GURRRRRRRL NO!!!!...yeah like that.

that was a big part of the reason the audience's reaction became way more interesting to me in that movie. lotsa "praise jesus"es and such. it became fascinating to me to watch them reacting to the movie.

what really baffled me is how much people always talk about his movies having strong female characters, yet here is jill scott's character just laying down and taking it for the loooongest time in that movie. i was absolutely mystified as to why someone would consider her to be a strong woman when she doesnt even stand up to such a abusive stock cliche as her husband's char is in that movie until the very end, by which point i had lost all interest.

bboy87 said:

johnart said:

My waterbottle was green (appletini) when I was forced to go see Start Trek Imax.

Why does that sound like a cool idea?

cause it totally is.

if i ever get someow talked into another tyler perry movie (excepting FCG, which aint his material) i am loading up on martinis in waterbottles.

Reel said:

cborgman said:

well, personally, and it is only my opinion, i think that his movies are poorly written and directed pandering bits of fluff that try to pass themselves off as something deep, and i agree with spike lee that there is a whole lot of cooning and buffoonery in his stuff.

as far as his personal life, i dont particularly care, but i do find it fascinating that he is a gay man who is pandering to christians and somehow successfully selling them a lame drag character by just talking a whole lot about jesus and god. but, that doesnt bother me half as much as how poorly written and directed his stuff is. that is the cardinal sin of him for me.

there is part of me that appreciates that he is out to make money, and will do anything to get it, but there is part of me that thinks it's uncle tomming to pretend to be straight to make his fortune off christian fundamnetalists, and manipulating an audience by feeding them mass quantities of cinematic high fructose corn syrup with a made by jesus label.

there are a wealth of far superior black writers and directors with strong and interesting voices and stories who are ignored while he is raking it in hand over fist by pandering.

just my opinion though.

[Edited 6/25/10 22:31pm]

Shhh...don't tell black people that because they'll be "berry berry angry" and accuse you of being a crab in a barrel if you "happen" to be black. Trust me, I know first handedly which is why I don't even go there anymore.

i am white, but i dont especially think this example is a black/white thing so much as a christian thing. it blows my mind that hardcore christians will accept a closeted gay men doing a half-assed moms mabley rip off drag act just because he throws in lotsa christian pandering.

[Edited 6/26/10 0:18am]

bboy87 said:

johnart said:

My waterbottle was green (appletini) when I was forced to go see Start Trek Imax.

Why does that sound like a cool idea?

Because it totally is.

Then I was FORCED to sit separately from the only other person who didn't wanna watch the movie so we had to text and giggle the whole time.

Texts like:

(as Nemoy comes on screen) 300 Geeks just jizzed they pants.

WTF did Nemoy just say? He needs new dentures.

OOH Jada looks FAAAAABulous!

johnart said:

bboy87 said:

Why does that sound like a cool idea?

Because it totally is.

Then I was FORCED to sit separately from the only other person who didn't wanna watch the movie so we had to text and giggle the whole time.

Texts like:

(as Nemoy comes on screen) 300 Geeks just jizzed they pants.

WTF did Nemoy just say? He needs new dentures.

OOH Jada looks FAAAAABulous!

i assume that other person was not ron

johnart said:

cborgman said:

well, personally, and it is only my opinion, i think that his movies are poorly written and directed pandering bits of fluff that try to pass themselves off as something deep, and i agree with spike lee that there is a whole lot of cooning and buffoonery in his stuff.

as far as his personal life, i dont particularly care, but i do find it fascinating that he is a gay man who is pandering to christians and somehow successfully selling them a lame drag character by just talking a whole lot about jesus and god. but, that doesnt bother me half as much as how poorly written and directed his stuff is. that is the cardinal sin of him for me.

there is part of me that appreciates that he is out to make money, and will do anything to get it, but there is part of me that thinks it's uncle tomming to pretend to be straight to make his fortune off christian fundamnetalists, and manipulating an audience by feeding them mass quantities of cinematic high fructose corn syrup with a made by jesus label.

there are a wealth of far superior black writers and directors with strong and interesting voices and stories who are ignored while he is raking it in hand over fist by pandering.

just my opinion though.

[Edited 6/25/10 22:08pm]

While I kinda get the whole "coonery" critisism to a certain extent, I just can't get too wrapped up in it. I never do, for anything.

I'm a firm believer that, for good or bad, stereotypes come from a real place. For me it's really about what you do with that stereotype. Our community does the same thing. When there's a big ole sissy on the screen, I can only judge it by the bigger picture of what I'm watching cuz like it or not...we got a lot of sissies and I won't pretend we don't . Communities preach diversity at the expense of sweeping the unpopular/politically incorrect/out of style stereotype under the rug.

I know (I might be one? depends on who you ask I suppose)sissies and I've known Medea's.

I find it hard to be here nor there on his stuff. I don't think it's groundbreaking in anyway or by any stretch of the imagination. I just find what I've seen so far entertaining. There's been some good acting moments (Kymberlie Elise/Jill Scott/Taraji) and some clever lines.

As far as his writing, I think there's been some good clever moments.

He's no August Wilson, that's for sure. Is he supposed to be?

[Edited 6/25/10 22:31pm]

The thing though about black people....we are really really sensitive about stereotypes. (At least most of us because I can't speak for all of us - some of us are a little aloof.) Stereotypes have been our achilles heel in terms of being denied rights, and being the victims of debilitating predjudices since our emancipation in this country. Heck, I know some black people who won't even dare touch chicken or watermelon in the presence of white folks because of the stereotypes associated with it (no matter how much they may in fact enjoy it at home). Me personally, I dont like greasy grissle fried chicken, and watermelon makes me hurl

As a whole many black people (particularly those of us who call ourselves "thinkers) are very alert and aware and even "hypersensitive" when we see someone "shucking and jiving and cooning"...because people have fought, died, been assassignated etc. to combat those stereotypes and they got us the freedom and equal opportunities that we enjoy today. So when you have black "thinkers" who look at some of Tylers work (not all of it, but some of it) and identify the Steph and Fecchit (spelling) sort of crap that goes on in his flicks....it can become a sore spot. Ie. Spikes Lee putting Tyler on blast.

Sorry to write an entire diatribe but I just wanted to let you know that although there may in fact be some truth behind some stereotypes, many blacks want to avoid them at all cost. Except of course for those black folks who take pride and daily enjoyment in watching the mindless entertainment that occurs on B.E.T. (Gonna hide from black folks now ) And those who will sell thier souls just to rake in the dough.

And you damned straight that Tyler aint no August Wilson.

Reel said:

Wow...I watched that episode because I like the Boondocks. Even with it's overt political incorrectness. Yanno, something was always a bit bizzare about Tyler Perry to me. And it went even past the whole cross dressing Madea thing. I really have no idea how he is with his staff and cast, but that Boondocks episode definitely appeared to have some pretty obvious Tyler Perry themes in it ie. "Homo-erotic Christian Cult". I know that Tyler has a "tight camp" and that can possibly why people on the inside feel like it's a "cult". Wouldn't be surprised if one of his cast members "dropped dime" on the real Tyler. But who's to really say.

I always saw things in Tyler that very few other people saw, and this would lead to arguements when I expressed my views about him and his work, so now I just don't say shydt. Good to know that I wasn't the only one out there "sensing" that there was something a bit "different" or amiss about ole boy.

Sometimes when one of "our" people do well for themselves no one can dare say anything that is perceived to be negative or critical about that person less you get a verbal tongue lashing, and get accused of being a crab in a barrel. So I won't even state what my real feelings about Tyler are.

What I will say is that his empire has been amazing, he is definitely talented. I think he addresses some themes in his work that is very sensitive for him seeing that he has been abused by his father, and molested etc. I'm sure his work is therapeutic for himself, and people seem to gobble it up. I just hate his Meet The Browns series and whatever other crappy minstrel type series that he has on television.

I agree wholeheartedly with what Spike said about Tyler. Spike didn't lie, and Tyler handled the criticism like a lil bitch as far as I'm concerned. Hell there's an "audience" for everything. Just because you have an "audience" for something doesn't mean that the work is steller. Tyler got "schooled" by one of his peers and by someone who has paid his dues in the business long before Tyler crawled out of the bad situation that he was in. Tyler should have listened instead of "flexed". Hell Spike took tons of critcism. He was like the first to be accused of being an "angry black man". He just took it, and spun it out and delivered better and better work. He didn't bitch.

[Edited 6/25/10 16:55pm]

But then again (and I might be THE only orger that feels this way), I'm still convince that Spike Lee refused to "pass the torch" to Tyler Perry.

[Edited 6/26/10 1:14am]

johnart said:

kewlschool said:

I 'm with cborgman on this topic. His productions are boring-not that that he doesn't have moments. Mr. Perry's work feel contrived and bland.

He may be no August Wilson, but could he at least be a Charles Schulz?

But my question is, this: for all the critisism...are they supposed to be intellectually challenging films/plays??? Or do people go to see them for some laughs (OK and maybe some Jesus praisin :lo:)?

That's a serious question. I've just taken the ones I've seen for what they are. Middle of the road, entertainment.

If people are looking to his work for life changing filmmaking, then that's kinda on them. No?

True, some people may be looking and waiting for the next Spike Lee to step up to the plate. Well we've had some good ones - John Singleton, George Tillman Jr. and a few others. But nobody who has recently amassed the wealth and empire that Tyler has. So folks feel that he should be "representing" better. Because he has the means to do so.

Heck some of Tyler's work is "ok"...I have no problem with it. I believe that his themes will always involve - drama/ tradegy and then some sort of redemption because his films mirror his life. But again when his work becomes saturated with Madea, Meet the Browns, and whatever other minstrel that is playing in syndication these days....some folks catch an attitude. Tyler tends to go to both extremes either something is terribly dramatic and heartbreaking, or something is so coonery that it makes you want to slap Tyler 2 x's fast.

cborgman said:

johnart said:

But my question is, this: for all the critisism...are they supposed to be intellectually challenging films/plays??? Or do people go to see them for some laughs (OK and maybe some Jesus praisin :lo:)?

That's a serious question. I've just taken the ones I've seen for what they are. Middle of the road, entertainment.

If people are looking to his work for life changing filmmaking, then that's kinda on them. No?

i think once you evoke religion, you've pretty much inherently crossed into a more deep territory.

but that is because i personally view it as a fascinating and incredibly nuanced and deep thought process. other people (largely his audience) probably would disagree as they accept religion as being a pure and unquestionable thing, where i do not.

his comedy stuff doesn't bother me as much as his more dramatic stuff. i got talked into going to see "why did i get married?" opening weekend, and that was pretty much the breaking point for me. the minute he had women praying to end their husbands' physical, mental, and verbal abuse and cheating, it pretty much set me against him and his movies, and that was the last one i saw.

i just thought it was an insanely irresponsible message to be sending out:

your husband hits you? pray he stops.

your husband cheats on you and doesnt even try to hide it? pray he stops.

your husband repeatedly calls you a fat pig and talks about how physically disgusting he thinks you are to your face and the face of all your friends? pray he stops.

and so on.

Well now remember, Tyler's original fan base were black churchgoing folks. Literally, and I'm not just saying that. Most of his initial fans who trucked down to see his plays were women who were of the church. Many of these women still believe that after you take your vows and if you are mistreated, and you want to hold on to your man....somehow you must pray that he stops.

SOME churches reinforce this sort of thing. When SOME pastors hear of horroric abuse and tradegies within a marriage they will suggest Pastorial counseling. Oftentimes the Pastor instead should be telling the woman to "get your ass out of that relationship before he kills your ass". What use are you to God if yah dead because you loved some jerk. But that hardly happens (in my opinion). That phenonena that you described is not a Tyler Perry thing, that's a mindset of some women reinforced by some churches. And those were the very women that his work initially catered to. Probably still is the strongest representation of his audience.

cborgman said:

Reel said:

Shhh...don't tell black people that because they'll be "berry berry angry" and accuse you of being a crab in a barrel if you "happen" to be black. Trust me, I know first handedly which is why I don't even go there anymore.

i am white, but i dont especially think this example is a black/white thing so much as a christian thing. it blows my mind that hardcore christians will accept a closeted gay men doing a half-assed moms mabley rip off drag act just because he throws in lotsa christian pandering.

[Edited 6/26/10 0:18am]

Shhh don't tell some Christians that because they'll be "berry berry angery" as they are in denial about how many closeted gay men are actually in the church, and you will be accused of being a spawn of Lucifer for identifying the truth. Truste me, I know first handedly, I'm a Christian.

Anyway you cut it....it's a "shhhh" dude.

TonyVanDam said:

Reel said:

Wow...I watched that episode because I like the Boondocks. Even with it's overt political incorrectness. Yanno, something was always a bit bizzare about Tyler Perry to me. And it went even past the whole cross dressing Madea thing. I really have no idea how he is with his staff and cast, but that Boondocks episode definitely appeared to have some pretty obvious Tyler Perry themes in it ie. "Homo-erotic Christian Cult". I know that Tyler has a "tight camp" and that can possibly why people on the inside feel like it's a "cult". Wouldn't be surprised if one of his cast members "dropped dime" on the real Tyler. But who's to really say.

I always saw things in Tyler that very few other people saw, and this would lead to arguements when I expressed my views about him and his work, so now I just don't say shydt. Good to know that I wasn't the only one out there "sensing" that there was something a bit "different" or amiss about ole boy.

Sometimes when one of "our" people do well for themselves no one can dare say anything that is perceived to be negative or critical about that person less you get a verbal tongue lashing, and get accused of being a crab in a barrel. So I won't even state what my real feelings about Tyler are.

What I will say is that his empire has been amazing, he is definitely talented. I think he addresses some themes in his work that is very sensitive for him seeing that he has been abused by his father, and molested etc. I'm sure his work is therapeutic for himself, and people seem to gobble it up. I just hate his Meet The Browns series and whatever other crappy minstrel type series that he has on television.

I agree wholeheartedly with what Spike said about Tyler. Spike didn't lie, and Tyler handled the criticism like a lil bitch as far as I'm concerned. Hell there's an "audience" for everything. Just because you have an "audience" for something doesn't mean that the work is steller. Tyler got "schooled" by one of his peers and by someone who has paid his dues in the business long before Tyler crawled out of the bad situation that he was in. Tyler should have listened instead of "flexed". Hell Spike took tons of critcism. He was like the first to be accused of being an "angry black man". He just took it, and spun it out and delivered better and better work. He didn't bitch.

[Edited 6/25/10 16:55pm]

But then again (and I might be THE only orger that feels this way), I'm still convince that Spike Lee refused to "pass the torch" to Tyler Perry.

[Edited 6/26/10 1:14am]

Serious question: How was Spike supposed to "pass the torch"? Tyler's work was primarily in the theater then moved to film. Spike was always in film and to my knowledge his work was never in the theater. At what time was Spike supposed to do this, once Tyler's stage plays were written into screen plays? No offense, I'm just asking.

Reel said:

TonyVanDam said:

But then again (and I might be THE only orger that feels this way), I'm still convince that Spike Lee refused to "pass the torch" to Tyler Perry.

[Edited 6/26/10 1:14am]

Serious question: How was Spike supposed to "pass the torch"? Tyler's work was primarily in the theater then moved to film. Spike was always in film and to my knowledge his work was never in the theater. At what time was Spike supposed to do this, once Tyler's stage plays were written into screen plays? No offense, I'm just asking.

Tyler is still making hit films. What was Spike's last hit film that fans actually gave a damn about?

TonyVanDam said:

Reel said:

Serious question: How was Spike supposed to "pass the torch"? Tyler's work was primarily in the theater then moved to film. Spike was always in film and to my knowledge his work was never in the theater. At what time was Spike supposed to do this, once Tyler's stage plays were written into screen plays? No offense, I'm just asking.

Tyler is still making hit films. What was Spike's last hit film that fans actually gave a damn about?

Doesn't matter because Spike was socially and racially relevant and a trailblazer. He had ALL EYES on the NYC PD and the plight of Black America when we needed it the most during the past 2 decades. I don't think that anybody would be missing out on anything "significant" if Madea somehow suddenly kheeled over and croaked. Madea

Now how was Spike supposed to have passed the torch again?

Reel said:

TonyVanDam said:

Tyler is still making hit films. What was Spike's last hit film that fans actually gave a damn about?

Doesn't matter because Spike was socially and racially relevant and a trailblazer. He had ALL EYES on the NYC PD and the plight of Black America when we needed it the most during the past 2 decades. I don't think that anybody would be missing out on anything "significant" if Madea somehow suddenly kheeled over and croaked. Madea

Now how was Spike supposed to have passed the torch again?

Well no doubt about that. But we're talking about life long after Do The Right Thing, Malcolm X, He Got Game, & Bamboozed. What exactly has Spike done lately in filmmaking to justify any of his current negative opinions about Tyler?

TonyVanDam said:

Reel said:

Doesn't matter because Spike was socially and racially relevant and a trailblazer. He had ALL EYES on the NYC PD and the plight of Black America when we needed it the most during the past 2 decades. I don't think that anybody would be missing out on anything "significant" if Madea somehow suddenly kheeled over and croaked. Madea

Now how was Spike supposed to have passed the torch again?

Well no doubt about that. But we're talking about life long after Do The Right Thing, Malcolm X, He Got Game, & Bamboozed. What exactly has Spike done lately in filmmaking to justify any of his current negative opinions about Tyler?

Yanno, you never answered my question....but I'll do you one and answer yours. Spike Lee had a series on Showtime called Sucker Free City which was damned good if I had only had Showtime. I pretty much only saw the series during a time that they gave me "complimentary" Showtime. The Series highlighted the underworlds of the black community, the asian community (ie The Triads) and the (white community). Based out of the San Francisco Bay Area...these "underworlds" often met up, and had crossties good series from the few episodes that I saw.

Spike also did "When the Levees Broke" highlighting the plight of New Orleans residents in the wake / aftermath of Katrina. A damned good thorough documentary. Check it out if you haven't seen it already.

Spike JUST NOW returned to New Orleans to do a follow up on how the rebuilding process of the city is going, and he just accidentally captured footage of the Gulf Oil Leak. He was wrapping up his filming when the Oil well started leaking so he stayed in N.O. and added more footage.

Spike has pretty much ALWAYS been about relevance. So the people who followed him loyally before, still follow him loyally now. It's just that he's not that "fly in the ointment" that he used to be so he's not drawing a whole bunch of Controversy to his work.

And those are just the things that I can come up with off the top of my head without doing a Google Search.

Reel said:

TonyVanDam said:

Tyler is still making hit films. What was Spike's last hit film that fans actually gave a damn about?

Doesn't matter because Spike was socially and racially relevant and a trailblazer. He had ALL EYES on the NYC PD and the plight of Black America when we needed it the most during the past 2 decades. I don't think that anybody would be missing out on anything "significant" if Madea somehow suddenly kheeled over and croaked. Madea

Now how was Spike supposed to have passed the torch again?

All Spike had to do was acknowledge Tyler as a force in his own right and then leave it at that.

But instead of THAT^, Spike ended up (falsely) accusing Tyler fo promoting "coonrey". But the real surprise is the fact that a member of black media was the one asking Spike for his opinion of Tyler. If this wasn't a good example of provoking division among the black film audiences, I don't know what is. And sure enough, white media (meaning CBS News' 60 Minutes) ate this whole situation up.

Even today, this issue of Spike Lee VS. Tyler Perry kind of discussions does NOT sit well with me at all.

TonyVanDam said:

Reel said:

Doesn't matter because Spike was socially and racially relevant and a trailblazer. He had ALL EYES on the NYC PD and the plight of Black America when we needed it the most during the past 2 decades. I don't think that anybody would be missing out on anything "significant" if Madea somehow suddenly kheeled over and croaked. Madea

Now how was Spike supposed to have passed the torch again?

All Spike had to do was acknowledge Tyler as a force in his own right and then leave it at that.

But instead of THAT^, Spike ended up (falsely) accusing Tyler fo promoting "coonrey". But the real surprise is the fact that a member of black media was the one asking Spike for his opinion of Tyler. If this wasn't a good example of provoking division among the black film audiences, I don't know what is. And sure enough, white media (meaning CBS News' 60 Minutes) ate this whole situation up.

Even today, this issue of Spike Lee VS. Tyler Perry kind of discussions does NOT sit well with me at all.

I hear you, but you do realize that Spike is the "Kayne" of film-makiing. He is going to speak his mind. As you have read previously....I wholeheartedly agree with Spike. Tyler is pushing Coonery and Buffoonery onto the masses. And some black people are gulping that crap up, and some white folks are looking thinking that ALL of us enjoy that sort of "shucking and jiving" shydt.

If you can recall Spike has always been critical of black people in Power. Because it's those black folks who are in the position to benefit the community as a whole, and to help change the status quo. Spike accused Oprah of "trying to be white", pretty much said that Colon Powell was an "Uncle Tom".....accused Stevie Wonder in his face of "dating white women" until Stevie said "looka here Spike...I'm blind dammit!". All of these theatrics played out on Oprah's show back in the early 90's.

There was no better person to let Tyler Perry know that he (and his Christian Homo-Erotic Cult ) has been "shucking and jiving" too long but Spike Lee himself. LONG LIVE DA LEE!

johnart said:

cborgman said:

he kind of tap dancey avoids the question.

[Tyler Perry] acknowledges first, that climbing into a dress and wig and packing his face full of Maybelline could very well lead people to question for which side he's hitting. "It used to bother me a whole lot in the beginning, it really, really did," says Perry. "But what it's done is give me firm seating in my manhood. And if some people can't separate the character from the man that I am, then that's their issue, not mine."

Is that a Ricky Martin quote??

you ain't right...

lol

bboy87 said:

johnart said:

My waterbottle was green (appletini) when I was forced to go see Start Trek Imax.

Why does that sound like a cool idea?

uh.. it wasn't....

'cause you have to sit between him and the other 'troublemaker' so his drunk ass is texting and giggling throughout the whole movie and you want to strangle him/them -- along with all the other fellow Trekkies around you

*sigh*

johnart said:

bboy87 said:

Why does that sound like a cool idea?

Because it totally is.

Then I was FORCED to sit separately from the only other person who didn't wanna watch the movie so we had to text and giggle the whole time.

Texts like:

(as Nemoy comes on screen) 300 Geeks just jizzed they pants.

WTF did Nemoy just say? He needs new dentures.

OOH Jada looks FAAAAABulous!

HA! I didn't even see this before I replied

::PINCH:: ::PINCH:: ::PINCH::

Reel said:

TonyVanDam said:

All Spike had to do was acknowledge Tyler as a force in his own right and then leave it at that.

But instead of THAT^, Spike ended up (falsely) accusing Tyler fo promoting "coonrey". But the real surprise is the fact that a member of black media was the one asking Spike for his opinion of Tyler. If this wasn't a good example of provoking division among the black film audiences, I don't know what is. And sure enough, white media (meaning CBS News' 60 Minutes) ate this whole situation up.

Even today, this issue of Spike Lee VS. Tyler Perry kind of discussions does NOT sit well with me at all.

I hear you, but you do realize that Spike is the "Kayne" of film-makiing. He is going to speak his mind. As you have read previously....I wholeheartedly agree with Spike. Tyler is pushing Coonery and Buffoonery onto the masses. And some black people are gulping that crap up, and some white folks are looking thinking that ALL of us enjoy that sort of "shucking and jiving" shydt.

If you can recall Spike has always been critical of black people in Power. Because it's those black folks who are in the position to benefit the community as a whole, and to help change the status quo. Spike accused Oprah of "trying to be white", pretty much said that Colon Powell was an "Uncle Tom".....accused Stevie Wonder in his face of "dating white women" until Stevie said "looka here Spike...I'm blind dammit!". All of these theatrics played out on Oprah's show back in the early 90's.

There was no better person to let Tyler Perry know that he (and his Christian Homo-Erotic Cult ) has been "shucking and jiving" too long but Spike Lee himself. LONG LIVE DA LEE!

Oh good freaking grief, Spike once complain about Prince having too many white women all in the videos. We'll never know the exactly words that Prince used toward Spike in responds to the charages. But whatever Prince said, it was perfectly clear because Spike never mess with that man about how to do a music video ever since.

On a more serious incident, Spike also dissed Whoopi Goldberg once (behind her back) about a few of her comedy routines. Whoopi only responded by telling Spike (behind his back) to f*** off! Next thing you know, Spike never had anymore negative comments about Whoopi since.

TonyVanDam said:

Reel said:

I hear you, but you do realize that Spike is the "Kayne" of film-makiing. He is going to speak his mind. As you have read previously....I wholeheartedly agree with Spike. Tyler is pushing Coonery and Buffoonery onto the masses. And some black people are gulping that crap up, and some white folks are looking thinking that ALL of us enjoy that sort of "shucking and jiving" shydt.

If you can recall Spike has always been critical of black people in Power. Because it's those black folks who are in the position to benefit the community as a whole, and to help change the status quo. Spike accused Oprah of "trying to be white", pretty much said that Colon Powell was an "Uncle Tom".....accused Stevie Wonder in his face of "dating white women" until Stevie said "looka here Spike...I'm blind dammit!". All of these theatrics played out on Oprah's show back in the early 90's.

There was no better person to let Tyler Perry know that he (and his Christian Homo-Erotic Cult ) has been "shucking and jiving" too long but Spike Lee himself. LONG LIVE DA LEE!

Oh good freaking grief, Spike once complain about Prince having too many white women all in the videos. We'll never know the exactly words that Prince used toward Spike in responds to the charages. But whatever Prince said, it was perfectly clear because Spike never mess with that man about how to do a music video ever since.

On a more serious incident, Spike also dissed Whoopi Goldberg once (behind her back) about a few of her comedy routines. Whoopi only responded by telling Spike (behind his back) to f*** off! Next thing you know, Spike never had anymore negative comments about Whoopi since.

I mean it's not like Spike is going to "harrass" people, he's just going to let them know the real deal. He'll like say it once, and then he'll leave it alone.

He was right about Prince. Heck Prince is just now working his way around to putting a obviously black sister in the forfront of his video (3121 Working Up a Black Sweat). Even after Spike's criticizm, Prince still gave Spike Lee a grip of money to finish completing the film Malcolm X. Fact.

I've just read the thread from the point where I left off yesterday...

• Those concerned about "coonery" should see "The Family that Preys". If the title threw you, it is not what you think- no overly religious rhetoric. Most Importantly, THERE IS NO MADEA! (I've been over Madea for a long time!) Sanaa Lathan's character was such a bitch, it was wonderful!
• I used to HATE all things Tyler Perry- when I was engaged a while back, my "future in-laws" used to have those damn bootlegs of TP's plays. Every time my EX- and I would go to his sister's house, I'd have to endure a grainy, poorly-shot VHS. I didn't think they were clever or interesting AT ALL. Then I saw one of the "real" movies, and couldn't understand what the big deal was... Madea just annoys me. But I personally do not know anyone who gets a deep spritiual message from his stuff- except for my friend, Y, but she was having some "other issues".
• I'm not sure I understand your point, Reel, about Black people and stereotypes. Just like with any other groups, we do not all feel one way about stereotypes, food, or anything else, so you cannot speak for all Blacks. Hell, I know people who pride themselves on being "stereotypical"- not just Black, but Latino, Italian... etc. Some people don't see it as stereotypical- they see it as cultural.
• I agree with Tony about Spike Lee. He needs to "do what he does" and not spend so much time criticizing others. Yes, his documentaries are relevant, but if he's not making movies anymore, then so be it... stop hatin' and go watch a basketball game.

Well, that's my ... (oh, and, what's with the bolded typing? To me it looks like shouting... just asking )

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chocolate1 said:

I've just read the thread from the point where I left off yesterday...

• Those concerned about "coonery" should see "The Family that Prays". If the title threw you, it is not what you think- no overly religious rhetoric. Most Importantly, THERE IS NO MADEA! (I've been over Madea for a long time!) Sanaa Lathan's character was such a bitch, it was wonderful!
• I used to HATE all things Tyler Perry- when I was engaged a while back, my "future in-laws" used to have those damn bootlegs of TP's plays. Every time my EX- and I would go to his sister's house, I'd have to endure a grainy, poorly-shot VHS. I didn't think they were clever or interesting AT ALL. Then I saw one of the "real" movies, and couldn't understand what the big deal was... Madea just annoys me. But I personally do not know anyone who gets a deep spritiual message from his stuff- except for my friend, Y, but she was having some "other issues".
• I'm not sure I understand your point, Reel, about Black people and stereotypes. Just like with any other groups, we do not all feel one way about stereotypes, food, or anything else, so you cannot speak for all Blacks. Hell, I know people who pride themselves on being "stereotypical"- not just Black, but Latino, Italian... etc. Some people don't see it as stereotypical- they see it as cultural.
• I agree with Tony about Spike Lee. He needs to "do what he does" and not spend so much time criticizing others. Yes, his documentaries are relevant, but if he's not making movies anymore, then so be it... stop hatin' and go watch a basketball game.

Well, that's my ... (oh, and, what's with the bolded typing? To me it looks like shouting... just asking )

Then you should re-read it because I clearly stated that I could not speak for all blacks.