DigitalLisa said:

Since I don't see it as a popularity contest, I have no competition and I am not competing with anyone.

You have made some very good threads with lots of replies, yet I don't see anyone trying to deride you. I wonder why that is? :LOL:

For some reason, I have fallen into the age-old trap where people dislike you because you have posted a lot and some people seem to be amused by some of the things that you say.

IceNine said:

PREACH ON GENERAL

POOK HEAR YOU

POOK said:

Putting in the work, Mr. President.



Could this issue be a matter of some people feeling very insecure and seeing the "success" of their threads as a validation of them as a person? I think so.

I have laid out some stinkers that just floundered but I didn't get all worried about it. I just call people literature haters and laugh about it.

The name "IceNine" as the author of a thread DOES NOT mean that it will be popular or even read. I am just secure and do not worry about people liking them or not. Personally, I will interact with ANYONE who posts if I find them amusing, intelligent or otherwise interesting. I don't care if you just signed up five days ago and it is your first post. That is not what this is all about... it is NOT some stupid club.

Everyone is welcome.

IceNine said:

Again, I am not questioning you really, IceNine, or pointing the finger, there is NO competition as I post my threads cos I want to, not to 'up' my popularity, if they be crap or not, who cares? there is always tomorrow and a new thread to be made, I was just thinking you got a little IceNine FamClub going on here!

Therapy said:

Thank you Therapy, you have understood what I am trying to get across, I have answered IceNine numerous times but he is twisting my words to make out I am, jealous and/or in competition which I am not...I was just raising a valid point here!

REDFEATHERS said:

I would agree with you if it weren't a fact that many of my threads just sit there stinking the joint up... there have been three or four of them in the last two days, in fact.

Now, if everyone would have jumped in and started discussing Polish literature on my Stanislaw Lem thread, I would have think that you might be right... unfortunately, that one died a cruel death and I kept performing CPR on the fucking thing until I found a couple of people who had read "solaris," but it was not successful.

Trust me... people ONLY reply when they think that the subject is either interesting, funny, stupid or horrible.

REDFEATHERS said:

I am not twisting your words, nor am I saying that you are jealous... *I was playing when I said that jealousy was an evil mistress*

I am saying that it was not right to try to single me out and "make and example of me" for some reason.

IceNine said:

From my time here, I would say that it is a reality that you are a very popular orger!

Therapy said:

And I would say that it is because I post things that are funny and/or controversial.

When I post a shitty thread it goes to the bottom like a fucking rock, just like anyone else's shitty threads. It is a fact.

Therapy said:

Good point

IceNine said:

Yeah, I get you... understood, agreed...

I dunno Icenine, I think for me, it's about the sheep aspect of people sucking up to you that repells me... and they do do that... And I know that you are not responsible for other people. I could be wrong... it's just my view on things, lol.

IceNine said:

I know IceNine! but hey! alot of people do single you out, as you are the most noticeable Orger here, although my intention was to use you as the class example, you gotta be a bit of a toughie, enjoy the flattery and dont come across as 'too' sensitive, you may let your guard down..it doesnt suit you!




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[This message was edited Fri Jan 24 14:31:34 PST 2003 by REDFEATHERS]

Among ANY group of people, certain "types" emerge.
This usually happens without anyone campaigning.

When we first started using "team-learning" in my math
classes, we were instructed to form the teams using certain
criteria so that the teams would be more or less balanced.

But we were instructed not to appoint captains, recorders,
collectors, etc. We were told that these roles would
be assumed automatically by the ones most capable.

I observed, and sure enough, when the teams were given instructions,
someone said "I'll keep the notes."
Someone else volunteered by just walking up to retrieve
the materials needed for the tasks.
Someone else began taking the measurements.
And of course, someone started taking the lead in getting
the team organized.

All that to say this...There were no elections here.
Leaders emerge. Some prefer to follow. People are doing
what they feel comfortable doing.
Now if someone else wants to be a leader, all he needs to
do is start leading. If after a while he looks around and no
one is there, he just does not have the skills. He may still
be able to acquire them though.

And yes, there is an IceNine Famclub here, but membership
is purely voluntary...and free of $$$.
But you cannot blame Ice for it.

Hey, there is also an Azure fan club.
There is a LaVisHh following.
00769BAD has one.
And probably some more...

I belong to a NuPwrSoul club and a Rio club.
'Bout to start me a Mistermaxx one.

Therapy said:

...Yeah, I'd say P.org is a LOT like high school, yep... ...There's even a thread about climbin' ropes in P.E., fer cripes sake...!!..


I remember way back when P.org 2.0 first started up, there were tons of complaints about "cliques" (did I spell that right??..lol)...how we shouldn't have threads like "who do you miss from P.org 1.0" and "Name the Orger you'd like to have dinner with" or whatever, because it "excluded" newer and less-active members from feeling as if they "belonged"...and, yes, I was one of the "In Crowd" said to be causing "cliquishness" (somebody hand me a damn dictionary..!)...Ironically, though, I talked to pretty much everyone...(even more ironic is that it was 2the9s who held the views I described on cliques forming around here...lol )...I was accused of having a "clique", having "groupies", "fans", what have you...and I'm positive IceNine gets more than his share of comments tossed his way as well...

Back then, I thought that it was a bit useless to try to achieve a sort of social equality on a message board...that it was far better and far healthier to simply accept that at some times and in some places, you'll be "popular" with many others, while at other times and in other places you will not...I still feel that way, that it's useless to worry about how well-recieved and popular you are on some internet message board...just keep on postin' your thoughts and views, and if you are lucky enough to make a few real, true connections with others here, take pleasure and gain happiness from that......

I do understand where you're coming from, Redfeathers...it can probably be irritating to start threads which seem to get scant attention, only to see others start threads about ferret farts that get 472 posts in an hour simply because of the name associated with the thread...that's why I rarely start any...lol...but wanting the attention of the "In Crowd" should've died within all of us after we reached 18...and if anyone feels that it's somehow better because they're part of the "In Crowd" anywhere in life...well, hopefully that feeling will die right along with it...

In the meantime, tho, head over to the other forums...they tend to be less "cliquish" (fuck, where's spellcheck??) and more focused on the topic of the thread than the person starting it...

wellbeyond said:

THAT BECAUSE IN OTHER FORUM

THREAD ACTUALLY HAVE TOPIC!

BA DUM BUM

THANK YOU!

wellbeyond said:

Who are you??

IceNine said:

And I'd say it was both...trust me, Ice, there are TONS of people here who post on your threads simply cuz it's yours...gives them a chance to "talk" to you if they haven't before...and your threads also serve the dual purpose of providing those who surround themselves around you a place to "hang out" and shoot the shit...If any of your threads sink like a stone, it's only because you start so many threads 'round these parts that it's unnecessary to post on all of 'em in order to talk to ya...lol...not to mention that if you post something serious, you'll find out that many people who tend to post on your threads will suddenly stop, waiting for you to be irreverant, sarcastic and cynical...cuz those types of threads are easier and more enjoyable to join with you in to many people (at least to many here in the GD forum...the P&R forum is a whole different thang...)

Therapy said:

wait a second, RED, first you project your PERCEPTION of a group situation "it's about the sheep aspect of people" onto your peers, then you label this favorable group response "sucking up to you that repells me" 'sucking up'??

sounds like plain old envy to me. i read and respond to Ice's posts for the simple fact that they are entertaining. he is very literate (he would never spell 'repel' 'repell', for example) and i like his sense of humor. i avoid other people's posts because i don't feel the same about their online personalities and the content of their posts. that's all it is, really
[This message was edited Fri Jan 24 14:56:28 PST 2003 by XxAxX]

Muse2noPharaoh said:

...Sheddup...

By the way...am I the only one finding it ironic that Redfeathers is now getting the type of attention she sought on one of her threads, the type of attention she says other threads get when they're started by IceNine...and it's on a thread about IceNine??... lol

SensualMelody said:

and if there's a sensual melody fan club..i'm pres-O-dent...

wellbeyond said:

Do you really think that is the case? if so I find it surprising..lol I think that people here are failing to recognise that some orgers are friends, whose friendship extends beyond the org. They post on each others threads because they may share similar views on a given topic etc, or they enjoy the interaction.

wellbeyond said:

GEE ON A THREAD SHE START?

WHAT THE ODDS?!

wellbeyond said:

Right!! Got it!!!

I'm learning a lot about myself from me and from others with this thread.

I have learnt that there is a difference for me between sucking up to someone and enjoying interaction with a person.


I'm reminded that leaders emerge and people choose to follow.

I am in some corner feeling humble as I am a hypocrite... Since starting writing in this thread, I have realised, by my sometimes too aware mind, that since being here, I have been a sheep myself...

I think there is a lot to do with feelings of security/insecurity as a person for me at times.

I think that it is not so much the ideas around in-groups, but what happens within them. For me, I guess I'm having some kind of trigger going off from way back when in my school days, with some things that I read here that quite frankly, are nasty. Obviously, this is reminding me of events that have happened to me in my school days.

XxAxX said:

Well my for mistyping a word! I am, sooo sorry..
Em...you spelt because as bevause!
Bet you never gave other peoples posts a chance, I know alot of people here who dont post here often and when they do, their content is very interesting and/or funny...you have really just admitted that you go straight to the threads because of the people who wrote them and not the contents...


Are you a sheep and you dont like the term?

Lleena said:

Actually, what you said and what I said are very similar...that many of Ice's threads are seen as "hangouts" for his P.org friends, which 'splains why they get 5,000 posts to other threads' 9...it would be a mistake to assume that the only reason Ice's threads (or even threads about IceNine) get so many responses is because the topics are fascinating...yet it would be a mistake to think that the only reason people peruse his threads is because they wanna be part of the "In Crowd"...IceNine has established himself and his posts & threads as being worth reading...so a lot of people automatically check out whatever he has to say...

XxAxX said:

Err, Red didn't say that, it was me!!!

BLAH BLAH

THIS LIKE BENZINO VS EMINEM

EMINEM POPULAR

BENZINO SAY HE HATE EMINEM

THEN BENZINO IN NEWS TOO!

IT GOOD DEAL FOR BENZINO

BUT MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE BIG BABY

[This message was edited Fri Jan 24 15:03:27 PST 2003 by POOK]

POOK said: