DesireeNevermind said:

Paris9748430 said:

This is one of the most insane, bass aackward posts I've ever seen in my life!!!

So, the remedy for Teen Pregnancy should be sterilization?!?!?

What kinda shit is that???

Damn, ma, I thought you were smarter than that!!!

That's some ol' Concentration Camp, shit!!!

I can't clap to this at all.

Just talk of Population Control just reeks of Communist China and Fascism.

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What kind of shit is this? Good ole fashioned GD hypothetical shit.

It's not concentration camp at all. Concentration camps were meant to keep people working for a period of time before killing them outright and the members were based on ethnic and religious background and perceived inferiority. You shouldn't draw such comparisons as it cheapens the history of the holocaust.

Population control, since you mention it, is not a bad idea and may eventually be necessary since humans use up more resources than they replenish and we are constantly polluting our earth....not to mention that too many people in the world can't parent for shit.

This is temporary sterilization, not unlike women who get their tubes tied only a vasectomy reversal probably easier than untying a woman's tubes although I've not heard of too many instances where women wish to get their tubes untied.

What's the benefit of out of wedlock, highschool drop out, unemployed, teen parents who in some cased pawn their brood off on the grandparents? I'd like to know how this wonderful family set up benefits society. Oh and lets not forget the "chasing down daddy for child support."

I guess we should stop reproducing period.

We'd all be happier . . . and richer.

the fucked up thing is....

If this thread were about forcing norplant on teen girls or tying their tubes...there would probably be less oppostition. Amazing... the power of the dick.

DesireeNevermind said:

But sterilization should never ever come into play, or be a fucking option that any sane person should think of in a free fucking country.

If a teenager makes the choice to have sex unprotected.

They be able to have choices to deal with those consequences.

So you think adults who have vasectomies and tubal ligations are insane? Really?

You think teens who make dumb choices that adversely affect a child's life and the lives of other family members is just a consequence that we all have to deal with?

What's wrong with mandatory vasectomies if they are reversible and only for a few years? From what I've read the procedure isn't even difficult. We have mandatory vaccinations. Haven't there been arguments that all vaccinations aren't even necessary?

As for not wanting the government to pay...meh...they pay for lot's of other medical procedures and treatments via medical. They pay for education e.g. public school system. Hell...if they can pay billions to kill people in wars then I'm sure a few million here in there to 100% prevent teen males from inseminating girls is doable.

Mass producing vasectomies like McDonald's? You can get a vasectomy at Micky Dees? Well who knew. Can you get fries with that?

Oh and population control is only cool in a non-free fucking society? What society is this btw?

Population control?

Let's start with illegal immigrants in the U.S. . . . .

If the government pays for these vasectomies, what's to stop universal health care?

It's opening the door for nationalized medicine.

That's socialist, that's what Obama wants . . . .

Fine to argue against reproduction once one is here isn't it?

DesireeNevermind said:

the fucked up thing is....

If this thread were about forcing norplant on teen girls or tying their tubes...there would probably be less oppostition. Amazing... the power of the dick.

Dick or not, I am opposing to "forcing" sterilization on anyone.

It has been done in this country before. Especially in the South from the 60's through the 90's.

Black teenage girls were being sterilized (tubes tied.)

Whether I like it or not, people will engage in behavior I disapprove of.

^ Oh no you don't! Don't go turning my thread into some illegal immigration discussion!

DesireeNevermind said:

NDRU said:

if you gave every male a vasectomy then teens would have even less reason to abstain or consider the ramifications of sex or wear condoms, and sexually transmitted diseases would get completely out of hand. Is pregnancy worse than AIDS?

How about some parenting & education instead?

Many teens don't consider the ramifications of sex or wear condoms anyway and we already have parenting and education.

And they'd consider it even less if pregnancy was not a risk.

Sexually transmitted diseases are already a sad factor with kids who can get condoms for free at schools and community health clinics. Even if you pay for them,,,condoms are cheaper than birth control pills.

How many teens out there have AIDS or are getting AIDS? As many as are making babies? Doubtful. Why is AIDS the default disease? Teens are probably catching other more common VD.

Other VD is not cool either, and they'll all get more common if there's less reason to wear a condom.

We should prevent teen pregnancies by any means necessary for the sake of the teens and their would be offspring. People need to grow up a little before forever impacting their life and the kid's life in a negative way.

No argument there, except the "by any means neccesary" part.

I don't advocate teen pregnancy, but I know some happy endings to such stories, too. I would not be here without one, in fact!

DesireeNevermind said:

the fucked up thing is....

If this thread were about forcing norplant on teen girls or tying their tubes...there would probably be less oppostition. Amazing... the power of the dick.

that's just speculation

I'm not opposed to sterilizing men for the reason you're suggesting (Sex would actually be better for them if you did, because they wouldn't have to wear condoms) I'm against it because I think it would encourage them to run wild and increase VD.

Plus it would be some substitute for raising children to be responsible, and brings up a lot of other ethical questions about two unnecessary surgeries being forced on only one type of person--for nothing they did to deserve it! It's like being punished for the crime of being born a man, a new kind of "original sin"

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NDRU said:

DesireeNevermind said:

the fucked up thing is....

If this thread were about forcing norplant on teen girls or tying their tubes...there would probably be less oppostition. Amazing... the power of the dick.

that's just speculation

I'm not opposed to sterilizing men for the reason you're suggesting (Sex would actually be better for them if you did, because they wouldn't have to wear condoms) I'm against it because I think it would encourage them to run wild and increase VD.

Plus it would be some substitute for raising children to be responsible, and brings up a lot of other ethical questions about two unnecessary surgeries being forced on only one type of person--for nothing they did to deserve it! It's like being punished for the crime of being born a man, a new kind of "original sin"

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Why do you consider a temporary solution to stopping pregnancy a punishment? What do you think is going to happen? Teen dudes are going to lose their minds and have their dicks fall off just because they can't knock a girl up?

Seriously....it's as if folk think a vasectomy is the end of the world and yet thousands of men have it done all the time and probably hundreds have it reversed because they are ready to be fathers.

I'm not saying nor have I said anywhere in this post that in the event of a vasectomy the boy should stop wearing a condom. We are talking 100% pregnancy prevention for a male with the ability to impregnante hundreds of females and the ease of walking away from the result of that pregnancy.

Vasectomy is logical. Condoms break. Diseases are imminent. The only thing to be controlled in this hypothetical is the prevention of babies. See earlier post on babies born to teen mothers and the problems they face.

DesireeNevermind said:

NDRU said:

that's just speculation

I'm not opposed to sterilizing men for the reason you're suggesting (Sex would actually be better for them if you did, because they wouldn't have to wear condoms) I'm against it because I think it would encourage them to run wild and increase VD.

Plus it would be some substitute for raising children to be responsible, and brings up a lot of other ethical questions about two unnecessary surgeries being forced on only one type of person--for nothing they did to deserve it! It's like being punished for the crime of being born a man, a new kind of "original sin"

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Why do you consider a temporary solution to stopping pregnancy a punishment? What do you think is going to happen? Teen dudes are going to lose their minds and have their dicks fall off just because they can't knock a girl up?

Seriously....it's as if folk think a vasectomy is the end of the world and yet thousands of men have it done all the time and probably hundreds have it reversed because they are ready to be fathers.

I'm not saying nor have I said anywhere in this post that in the event of a vasectomy the boy should stop wearing a condom. We are talking 100% pregnancy prevention for a male with the ability to impregnante hundreds of females and the ease of walking away from the result of that pregnancy.

Vasectomy is logical. Condoms break. Diseases are imminent. The only thing to be controlled in this hypothetical is the prevention of babies. See earlier post on babies born to teen mothers and the problems they face.

I'm not saying you're suggesting boys should not wear condoms, I'm suggesting they WILL stop wearing them!

You say why is it a punishment? Because it's surgery--there's always risks to surgery. I don't want a vasectomy, so I assume other boys wouldn't either. And to have it forced upon them seems wrong. Not the end of the world, but wrong. It seems like a backwards approach. Like getting all your baby teeth pulled so you won't get cavities--it's only temporary, they'll get adult teeth eventually, but then they'll never learn good habits because they won't have to.

I have been educated and I use birth control. Why do we assume others are incapable of that?

NDRU said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Why do you consider a temporary solution to stopping pregnancy a punishment? What do you think is going to happen? Teen dudes are going to lose their minds and have their dicks fall off just because they can't knock a girl up?

Seriously....it's as if folk think a vasectomy is the end of the world and yet thousands of men have it done all the time and probably hundreds have it reversed because they are ready to be fathers.

I'm not saying nor have I said anywhere in this post that in the event of a vasectomy the boy should stop wearing a condom. We are talking 100% pregnancy prevention for a male with the ability to impregnante hundreds of females and the ease of walking away from the result of that pregnancy.

Vasectomy is logical. Condoms break. Diseases are imminent. The only thing to be controlled in this hypothetical is the prevention of babies. See earlier post on babies born to teen mothers and the problems they face.

I'm not saying you're suggesting boys should not wear condoms, I'm suggesting they WILL stop wearing them!

You say why is it a punishment? Because it's surgery--there's always risks to surgery. I don't want a vasectomy, so I assume other boys wouldn't either. And to have it forced upon them seems wrong. Not the end of the world, but wrong. It seems like a backwards approach. Like getting all your baby teeth pulled so you won't get cavities--it's only temporary, they'll get adult teeth eventually, but then they'll never learn good habits because they won't have to.

I have been educated and I use birth control. Why do we assume others are incapable of that?

But surgery as a punishment doesnt' make sense? It's an alternative. I appreciate that you feel it's wrong to force it. That I can understand. But I disagree that it's a backwards approach. To me it's backward to keep doing the same thing over and over (giving condoms and education) and expecting different results when in fact the results are always the same and they fluctuate between tolerable and epidemic proportions. Too many teens are incapable of taking sexual education to heart and using birth control and a lot of times it seems the males are most incapable perhaps because they don't have to deal with the burdens of pregnancy, childbirth and child rearing. So to free everyone ( and prevent the difficulties faced by babies born to teen moms) without taking away a teens enjoyment of sex....why not vasectomy? We spend and sometimes waste money on so many other things...

Baby teeth get cavities? I never knew that.

Of course...I still like plan B - retroactive child support.

DesireeNevermind said:

NDRU said:

I'm not saying you're suggesting boys should not wear condoms, I'm suggesting they WILL stop wearing them!

You say why is it a punishment? Because it's surgery--there's always risks to surgery. I don't want a vasectomy, so I assume other boys wouldn't either. And to have it forced upon them seems wrong. Not the end of the world, but wrong. It seems like a backwards approach. Like getting all your baby teeth pulled so you won't get cavities--it's only temporary, they'll get adult teeth eventually, but then they'll never learn good habits because they won't have to.

I have been educated and I use birth control. Why do we assume others are incapable of that?

But surgery as a punishment doesnt' make sense? It's an alternative. I appreciate that you feel it's wrong to force it. That I can understand. But I disagree that it's a backwards approach. To me it's backward to keep doing the same thing over and over (giving condoms and education) and expecting different results when in fact the results are always the same and they fluctuate between tolerable and epidemic proportions. Too many teens are incapable of taking sexual education to heart and using birth control and a lot of times it seems the males are most incapable perhaps because they don't have to deal with the burdens of pregnancy, childbirth and child rearing. So to free everyone ( and prevent the difficulties faced by babies born to teen moms) without taking away a teens enjoyment of sex....why not vasectomy? We spend and sometimes waste money on so many other things...

Baby teeth get cavities? I never knew that.

Of course...I still like plan B - retroactive child support.

It's definitely a serious problem, and since it's not getting better, I see where you're coming from.

But I think it's more of a class problem than maybe you're acknowleging--not purely a teen problem. None of my friends had babies in HS. I only remember two people in a school of 3000 that were pregnant (that actually had the babies). But we got an influx of kids from another school the next year and there was literally a nursery on campus!

That's why I believe it still comes down to education & parenting, and I would rather take that approach because I think teen pregnancy is a symptom of something larger in society. Make the changes in education/society and a lot of other problems might get better too

some people here seem to think that pregnancy is the only reason to wear a condom. A big reason I'm tight w/ Mr. Tojan is to keep my dick from hanging sideways...as Ice Cube so aptly put it.

when I'm fuckin a randy 45 y/o MILF...I ain't wearing a condom to keep her from getting pregnant.

Sowhat said:

Gee....I somehow managed to make it through my teen years without impregnating any of my girlfriends WITHOUT having a vasectomy. There is risk to ANY surgery. What is the advice Doctors give all the time....avoid surgery if at all possible. Forced vasectomies to prevent pregnancies is trying and convicting all males of a crime they have not yet committed.....I get it, guilty until proven innocent , well not even until proven innocent, just guilty.

Being born with a penis makes you totally irresponsible, unreliable and a general threat to the planet.

SUPRMAN said:

Sowhat said:

Gee....I somehow managed to make it through my teen years without impregnating any of my girlfriends WITHOUT having a vasectomy. There is risk to ANY surgery. What is the advice Doctors give all the time....avoid surgery if at all possible. Forced vasectomies to prevent pregnancies is trying and convicting all males of a crime they have not yet committed.....I get it, guilty until proven innocent , well not even until proven innocent, just guilty.

Being born with a penis makes you totally irresponsible, unreliable and a general threat to the planet.

Sowhat said:

Gee....I somehow managed to make it through my teen years without impregnating any of my girlfriends WITHOUT having a vasectomy. There is risk to ANY surgery. What is the advice Doctors give all the time....avoid surgery if at all possible. Forced vasectomies to prevent pregnancies is trying and convicting all males of a crime they have not yet committed.....I get it, guilty until proven innocent , well not even until proven innocent, just guilty.

yeah that's my feeling too. I know teen pregnancy is a problem, but my guess is most teens DON'T get preganant.

Is it right to do this to millions of boys who won't even have sex in their teens, let alone get a girl pregnant? hell, I was 18 my first time! I would have had mine reversed already, right?

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DesireeNevermind said:

the fucked up thing is....

If this thread were about forcing norplant on teen girls or tying their tubes...there would probably be less oppostition. Amazing... the power of the dick.

NDRU said:

Sowhat said:

Gee....I somehow managed to make it through my teen years without impregnating any of my girlfriends WITHOUT having a vasectomy. There is risk to ANY surgery. What is the advice Doctors give all the time....avoid surgery if at all possible. Forced vasectomies to prevent pregnancies is trying and convicting all males of a crime they have not yet committed.....I get it, guilty until proven innocent , well not even until proven innocent, just guilty.

yeah that's my feeling too. I know teen pregnancy is a problem, but my guess is most teens DON'T get preganant.

Is it right to do this to millions of boys who won't even have sex in their teens, let alone get a girl pregnant? hell, I was 18 my first time! I would have had mine reversed already, right?

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NDRU said:

if you gave every male a vasectomy then teens would have even less reason to abstain or consider the ramifications of sex or wear condoms, and sexually transmitted diseases would get completely out of hand. Is pregnancy worse than AIDS?

How about some parenting & education instead?

Common sense, my goodness.

SUPRMAN said:

Sowhat said:

Gee....I somehow managed to make it through my teen years without impregnating any of my girlfriends WITHOUT having a vasectomy. There is risk to ANY surgery. What is the advice Doctors give all the time....avoid surgery if at all possible. Forced vasectomies to prevent pregnancies is trying and convicting all males of a crime they have not yet committed.....I get it, guilty until proven innocent , well not even until proven innocent, just guilty.

Being born with a penis makes you totally irresponsible, unreliable and a general threat to the planet.

You know, there might be some truth to this statement...