JerseyKRS said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Nobody is talking about sterilizing females or sterilizing people based on some false sense of racial or ethnic or genetic inferiority so please leave the default Nazi Germany argument out of this. This is a GD thread not a P&R thread.

Condoms and birth controll pills are not even considered 100% reliable for pregnancy prevention. They only prevent pregnancy in the best case scenarios.

and if this thread is so ignorant then why did you bother posting on it?

soooooooooooooooo, if forced sterilization is just for males and not for eugenic reasons, then it is acceptable? Who gets to pass that judgement??? The reason it's a default argument is because it is a perfect example of why you can't have forced sterilization.

So, you see? It's kind of the same thing even though not exactly. You can't go around taking peoples freedom, sweetheart. No one gets to pass that judgement.

rubbers and the pill are proven to be at LEAST 90% effective when used properly. That's a far cry away from preventing pregnancy in only the best case scenario IMO.

I bothered posting on it because you asked, remember???

You can't go around taking people's freedom? We do that all the time. They're often referred to as PRISONS and MENTAL HEALTH INSTITUTIONS.

Now back to these teens. Who get's to pass judgement on whether they should procreate? How about the same people who have always done it. Parents. Up until a certain age, the parent has the say in everything from what kind of education the child gets to what kind of health care they get to whether they can even leave the house. Why should sex be any different?

How are you going to say "it's kind of the same thing even though not exactly". That doesn't make any sense.

I didn't ask YOU to post. But whatevs....glad you did.

chastity belts!

...or sheep....

BklynBabe said:

chastity belts!

...or sheep....

chastity belts isn't a bad idea providing you can keep clean down there. Sheep? Nah....that's animal abuse.

Plus we don't need a bunch of deformed rush limbaughs running around feenin' for oxycontin!!!

DesireeNevermind said:

Should they be mandatorily performed on teen males maybe starting at 14 up to 19 so as to curb teen pregnancies? It's a less invasive surgery than tubal ligation and apparently we can't by and large trust teen girls to take birth control pills. Also said pills may increase their risks for breast cancer. Also I'm not sure how successful the rate of pregnancy is upon reversing a tubal ligation. So what say you? Snip them little fuckers since they can't keep their shit strapped and all too often take no responsibility once the bun is in the oven?

This is the org ethical question of the day.

PROCEED.

If you had a teen age son ....... would you get him to have a vasectomy???

And if he wanted to have kids later in life and it is irreversible, let's say.......... what would you say to your son??

DesireeNevermind said:

BklynBabe said:

how about women stop giving up pussy to no account fools.....

teach your daughters...no job, no pussy, no education, no pussy, no morals, no pussy, teach women how to make men beg for pussy and ackrite! If all of us women unified on this it would have never been a problem

the first time a man opened his mouth to say he was superior a woman should've been right there saying....if I have no rights you gets no pussy!

maybe we need to designate National No Pussy Month! I bet wars would end, the BP oil spill would get cleaned up, and world famine would end!

(might have to lock some goats up for a minute in some countries though.....)

seriously though, young women should be taught to value their bodies!!! don't put this on young men. teach young women how to make men work to get the pussy and teach young men that pussy ain't for free.

NATIONAL NO PUSSY MONTH! I likes that alot. It should be in August. That month is quite warm no matter where you're at and it has 31 days with no holidays! Men bout to lose their minds looking at all that bikini pussy that they absolutely can't touch.

Shit....where the hell was this no pussy education seminar held? I surely missed it.

We need to start the "Control Your Balls 2010" campaign

Forced vasectomies?

Pre-birth Child support?

um...wtf are you smoking?

for the former....this is child abuse to me. and, it also could disrupt the child's puberty processes and severely harm them.

for the latter...what if the man turns out to be gay...why should he have to pay this?

=0P

Genesia said:

SUPRMAN said:

Generalize much?

Generalization to you. Common sense to me.

Even if you choose to see it as 'common sense,' it is still a blatant generalization.

I don't think you'd be so casual if it were a generalized statement about female behavior . . . .

DesireeNevermind said:

SUPRMAN said:

But they aren't raping these women are they?

It's just plain easier for the males? Not if she keeps her legs closed . . . .

who know's if these girls are being raped or not. teen pressure to have sex could be considered a form of rape - perhaps psychological. what about statutory rape where the guy is 18 and the girl is say 15/16? It's easy to tell a girl keep your legs closed and I'm sure most would do it if they didn't feel like so much of their value lied between their legs. We could also tell the guys to keep their schlongs in their pants but again....they won't do it. So....if these teen boys are so inclined to freely fuck and walk away then why not prevent their seed from meeting the egg?

Humans are most fertile in their teens and also most irresponsible and immature for parenting so why not nip this in the bud and start with the guys who often procreate more than the females. It won't hurt, if performed correctly it IS often reversible contrary to popular opinion on this thread and we take a load off Mandy.

Feel free to show some stats to support how of it is reversible to combat that 'popular opinion' . . . And that humans are most fertile in their teens . . . .

And also most irresponsible and immature (as teens, we know adults are irresponsible and immature.)

Do you really think the leading cause of teen pregnancy is rape?

And statutory rape doesn't count, that's usually consensual.

Perhaps psychological, perhaps by Martians . . . . .

It's not easy to tell a guy to keep it in his pants?!! Don't tell him, just forced sterilization?!!

"Inclined to fuck so freely . . ."? Who exactly are they fucking? Unwilling females, whom they impregnate?

Sheesh.

DesireeNevermind said:

BklynBabe said:

chastity belts!

...or sheep....

chastity belts isn't a bad idea providing you can keep clean down there. Sheep? Nah....that's animal abuse.

Plus we don't need a bunch of deformed rush limbaughs running around feenin' for oxycontin!!!

SUPRMAN said:

DesireeNevermind said:

who know's if these girls are being raped or not. teen pressure to have sex could be considered a form of rape - perhaps psychological. what about statutory rape where the guy is 18 and the girl is say 15/16? It's easy to tell a girl keep your legs closed and I'm sure most would do it if they didn't feel like so much of their value lied between their legs. We could also tell the guys to keep their schlongs in their pants but again....they won't do it. So....if these teen boys are so inclined to freely fuck and walk away then why not prevent their seed from meeting the egg?

Humans are most fertile in their teens and also most irresponsible and immature for parenting so why not nip this in the bud and start with the guys who often procreate more than the females. It won't hurt, if performed correctly it IS often reversible contrary to popular opinion on this thread and we take a load off Mandy.

Feel free to show some stats to support how of it is reversible to combat that 'popular opinion' . . . And that humans are most fertile in their teens . . . .

And also most irresponsible and immature (as teens, we know adults are irresponsible and immature.)

Do you really think the leading cause of teen pregnancy is rape?

And statutory rape doesn't count, that's usually consensual.

Perhaps psychological, perhaps by Martians . . . . .

It's not easy to tell a guy to keep it in his pants?!! Don't tell him, just forced sterilization?!!

"Inclined to fuck so freely . . ."? Who exactly are they fucking? Unwilling females, whom they impregnate?

Sheesh.

Ok:

http://www.vasectomymedical.com/vasectomy-reversal-success-rates.html

Success rates vary with:

1. The technique used.
   
2. The years between the vasectomy and the reversal attempt.
   
3. The experience and skill of the surgeon.
   

Some of the best success rates reported in the literature for vasovasotomy are a patency rate of 99% with a pregnancy rate of 64%, not including couples where the woman was infertile. This means that in the hands of the surgeon who quoted these rates, he was able to restore sperm flow in the vas tube 99% of the time, and this allowed a pregnancy rate of 64%.

Not every time that sperm flow returns to the vas is pregnancy guaranteed. The expected results for vasoepididymostomy in the hands of the same surgeon are lower, reportedly at 65% patency rate and a 41% pregnancy rate.

Factors influencing the success rate of reversal surgery include the following:

• Time interval since vasectomy
  The length of time passed since the vasectomy greatly impacts success, as seen on this chart:

Years Between Vasectomy Sperm Return Pregnancy Rate Under 3 years 97% 76% 3-8 years 88% 53% 9-14 years 79% 44% Greater than 15 years 71% 30%

^^^Ok, let's say reversal is 100% effective--who's gonna pay for these reversals? Healthcare in this country (US) is broke ass enough--now we're gonna have to pay for vasectomy reversals for guys that were "forced" to have them done in the first place? IIRC, a reversal costs in the neighborhood of $20K, and I don't believe insurance pays for it.

we are animals. we can try to act otherwise, but that truth will always remain.

Poiple said:

^^^Ok, let's say reversal is 100% effective--who's gonna pay for these reversals? Healthcare in this country (US) is broke ass enough--now we're gonna have to pay for vasectomy reversals for guys that were "forced" to have them done in the first place? IIRC, a reversal costs in the neighborhood of $20K, and I don't believe insurance pays for it.

charge the person being "temporarily" sterilized, just like Adolf, right DesireeNevermind? Cost problem solved!

BklynBabe said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Shit....where the hell was this no pussy education seminar held? I surely missed it.

I do believe it went something like this....

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, Pussy Control!!

DesireeNevermind said:

SUPRMAN said:

Feel free to show some stats to support how of it is reversible to combat that 'popular opinion' . . . And that humans are most fertile in their teens . . . .

And also most irresponsible and immature (as teens, we know adults are irresponsible and immature.)

Do you really think the leading cause of teen pregnancy is rape?

And statutory rape doesn't count, that's usually consensual.

Perhaps psychological, perhaps by Martians . . . . .

It's not easy to tell a guy to keep it in his pants?!! Don't tell him, just forced sterilization?!!

"Inclined to fuck so freely . . ."? Who exactly are they fucking? Unwilling females, whom they impregnate?

Sheesh.

Ok:

http://www.vasectomymedical.com/vasectomy-reversal-success-rates.html

Success rates vary with:

1. The technique used.
   
2. The years between the vasectomy and the reversal attempt.
   
3. The experience and skill of the surgeon.
   

Some of the best success rates reported in the literature for vasovasotomy are a patency rate of 99% with a pregnancy rate of 64%, not including couples where the woman was infertile. This means that in the hands of the surgeon who quoted these rates, he was able to restore sperm flow in the vas tube 99% of the time, and this allowed a pregnancy rate of 64%.

Not every time that sperm flow returns to the vas is pregnancy guaranteed. The expected results for vasoepididymostomy in the hands of the same surgeon are lower, reportedly at 65% patency rate and a 41% pregnancy rate.

Factors influencing the success rate of reversal surgery include the following:

• Time interval since vasectomy
  The length of time passed since the vasectomy greatly impacts success, as seen on this chart:

Years Between Vasectomy Sperm Return Pregnancy Rate Under 3 years 97% 76% 3-8 years 88% 53% 9-14 years 79% 44% Greater than 15 years 71% 30%

you should also look into Dr. Zev Wozenwaks who specializes in male infertility and reversing vasectomies. Humans are most fertile in their teens? You really need a source for this? We kind of learn this a little in biolody and sex ed class. I would suggest you google "age and fertility" and "teens and fertility". But to get you started: http://www.epigee.org/pregnancy/birthcontrol.html and http://womenshealth.about.com/od/birthcontrol/tp/10birthcontrol.htm and http://www.contracept.org/teenrates.php These sites address fertility, birth control, pregnancy and all state (however briefly) that fertility and chances for conception are higher among teens. It's simply a matter of youth. You might also be interested to know that birth defects in offspring are higher among mature adults e.g. 40s and upward. I never said that rape was the leading cause of teen pregnancy. Don't know where you got that from. Statutory rape doesn't count? Didn't you weigh heavily on this in that thread about that football player and the teen hooker he alleged got caught with? And how do we know teen males wouldn't be interested in vasectomies? It's temporary sterilization and the moment they choose to become parents we could reverse it. Do you think it's better for parenthood to be forced on them? and yes "inclined to fuck freely" doesn't matter if the female is willing or not... the boy has an easier chance of walking away. Sheesh. Thought everybody knew that? How many single moms, teen moms, and fatherless children do we have out there now?

who cars abt the specifics...U can't just temp. castrate people. and b4 U argue...i know... i know...It' s not castration.

b 4 u knew it...after a slippery slope...we'd all b fucking like we were in Demolition Man.

what possesed those people to make that movie ?

BobGeorge909 said:

b 4 u knew it...after a slippery slope...we'd all b fucking like we were in Demolition Man.

what possesed those people to make that movie ?

I've had a change of heart about that movie. didn't they use some kind of machine to make them imagine they were having sex? virtual sex or something like that. Not a bad idea. You'd have no pregnancies, no diseases, no clean up afterwards...and you could do it as much as you liked. Yes we need something like that.

DesireeNevermind said:

BobGeorge909 said:

b 4 u knew it...after a slippery slope...we'd all b fucking like we were in Demolition Man.

what possesed those people to make that movie ?

I've had a change of heart about that movie. didn't they use some kind of machine to make them imagine they were having sex? virtual sex or something like that. Not a bad idea. You'd have no pregnancies, no diseases, no clean up afterwards...and you could do it as much as you liked. Yes we need something like that.

how do Seth, Tina, and Amy say it...

REALLY!

skin 2 fuckin skin

fuck that machine BS....maybe "sometimes"....like vibrators r a "sometimes" ...but nuthin is like skin 2 skin...it's why were here...to pro-create....oh yeah...and feed the homeless to.

[Edited 6/20/10 19:23pm]

BobGeorge909 said:

DesireeNevermind said:

I've had a change of heart about that movie. didn't they use some kind of machine to make them imagine they were having sex? virtual sex or something like that. Not a bad idea. You'd have no pregnancies, no diseases, no clean up afterwards...and you could do it as much as you liked. Yes we need something like that.

how do Seth, Tina, and Amy say it...

REALLY!

skin 2 fuckin skin

fuck that machine BS....maybe "sometimes"....like vibrators r a "sometimes" ...but nuthin is like skin 2 skin...it's why were here...to pro-create....oh yeah...and feed the homeless to.

[Edited 6/20/10 19:23pm]

and feed the homeless? why? so they can procreate and make more homeless babies? Nah.....machines for everyone!!! Fuck skin on skin. Mofos got scabies and shit. Back acne. Clogged pores. Keratosis da mostest!!!

This is one of the most insane, bass aackward posts I've ever seen in my life!!!

So, the remedy for Teen Pregnancy should be sterilization?!?!?

What kinda shit is that???

Damn, ma, I thought you were smarter than that!!!

That's some ol' Concentration Camp, shit!!!

I can't clap to this at all.

Just talk of Population Control just reeks of Communist China and Fascism.

[Edited 6/20/10 21:31pm]

Paris9748430 said:

This is one of the most insane, bass aackward posts I've ever seen in my life!!!

So, the remedy for Teen Pregnancy should be sterilization?!?!?

What kinda shit is that???

Damn, ma, I thought you were smarter than that!!!

That's some ol' Concentration Camp, shit!!!

I can't clap to this at all.

Just talk of Population Control just reeks of Communist China and Fascism.

[Edited 6/20/10 21:31pm]

What kind of shit is this? Good ole fashioned GD hypothetical shit.

It's not concentration camp at all. Concentration camps were meant to keep people working for a period of time before killing them outright and the members were based on ethnic and religious background and perceived inferiority. You shouldn't draw such comparisons as it cheapens the history of the holocaust.

Population control, since you mention it, is not a bad idea and may eventually be necessary since humans use up more resources than they replenish and we are constantly polluting our earth....not to mention that too many people in the world can't parent for shit.

This is temporary sterilization, not unlike women who get their tubes tied only a vasectomy reversal probably easier than untying a woman's tubes although I've not heard of too many instances where women wish to get their tubes untied.

What's the benefit of out of wedlock, highschool drop out, unemployed, teen parents who in some cased pawn their brood off on the grandparents? I'd like to know how this wonderful family set up benefits society. Oh and lets not forget the "chasing down daddy for child support."

DesireeNevermind said:

This is temporary sterilization, not unlike women who get their tubes tied only a vasectomy reversal probably easier than untying a woman's tubes although I've not heard of too many instances where women wish to get their tubes untied.

What's the benefit of out of wedlock, highschool drop out, unemployed, teen parents who in some cased pawn their brood off on the grandparents? I'd like to know how this wonderful family set up benefits society. Oh and lets not forget the "chasing down daddy for child support."

There aren't any benefits of out of wedlock, teenage parents.

But sterilization should never ever come into play, or be a fucking option that any sane person should think of in a free fucking country.

If a teenager makes the choice to have sex unprotected.

They be able to have choices to deal with those consequences.

Whether it be abortion, adoption, or raising the child.

ANY kind of sterilization. Doesn't matter if it's temporary for a few years, few months, or 15 fucking minutes shouldn't fucking be MANDATORY!!!

And it shouldn't be decided upon by the fucking government!!!!

How will these supposed hypothetical sterilizations be paid for???

I don't know how expensive vasectomies are, but I know they're too expensive for the governent to be able to pay for millions of men to get them.

So, this country should be mass producing vasectomies like McDonald's or some shit???

You can't get a vasectomy at a free clinic!!!

This whole hypothetical situation is extremely foolish.

No, there shouldn't be Population Control in a free fucking society, or any other society!!!

[Edited 6/20/10 23:22pm]

So you think adults who have vasectomies and tubal ligations are insane? Really?

You think teens who make dumb choices that adversely affect a child's life and the lives of other family members is just a consequence that we all have to deal with?

What's wrong with mandatory vasectomies if they are reversible and only for a few years? From what I've read the procedure isn't even difficult. We have mandatory vaccinations. Haven't there been arguments that all vaccinations aren't even necessary?

As for not wanting the government to pay...meh...they pay for lot's of other medical procedures and treatments via medical. They pay for education e.g. public school system. Hell...if they can pay billions to kill people in wars then I'm sure a few million here in there to 100% prevent teen males from inseminating girls is doable.

Mass producing vasectomies like McDonald's? You can get a vasectomy at Micky Dees? Well who knew. Can you get fries with that?

Oh and population control is only cool in a non-free fucking society? What society is this btw?

DesireeNevermind said:

So you think adults who have vasectomies and tubal ligations are insane? Really?

You think teens who make dumb choices that adversely affect a child's life and the lives of other family members is just a consequence that we all have to deal with?

What's wrong with mandatory vasectomies if they are reversible and only for a few years? From what I've read the procedure isn't even difficult. We have mandatory vaccinations. Haven't there been arguments that all vaccinations aren't even necessary?

As for not wanting the government to pay...meh...they pay for lot's of other medical procedures and treatments via medical. They pay for education e.g. public school system. Hell...if they can pay billions to kill people in wars then I'm sure a few million here in there to 100% prevent teen males from inseminating girls is doable.

Mass producing vasectomies like McDonald's? You can get a vasectomy at Micky Dees? Well who knew. Can you get fries with that?

Oh and population control is only cool in a non-free fucking society? What society is this btw?

No, adults who make the choice to have vasectomies and tubal ligations aren't insane.

They make the decisions, not anyone else.

I made the McDonald's metaphor to give an example of when you try to mass produce something, the quality diminishes greatly.

I said population control isn't cool in a free society, or any other society.

Reading is fundamental, my sista!

Why do you only want to make the males get vasectomies? Why can't you force a woman to get her tubes tied?

Or why can't abortions be free???

This is just insane crazy talk. You're never gonna force a man to get a vasectomy.

If you think the population needs to be controlled, control it yourself by not having any kids of your own.

Paris9748430 said:

DesireeNevermind said:

So you think adults who have vasectomies and tubal ligations are insane? Really?

You think teens who make dumb choices that adversely affect a child's life and the lives of other family members is just a consequence that we all have to deal with?

What's wrong with mandatory vasectomies if they are reversible and only for a few years? From what I've read the procedure isn't even difficult. We have mandatory vaccinations. Haven't there been arguments that all vaccinations aren't even necessary?

As for not wanting the government to pay...meh...they pay for lot's of other medical procedures and treatments via medical. They pay for education e.g. public school system. Hell...if they can pay billions to kill people in wars then I'm sure a few million here in there to 100% prevent teen males from inseminating girls is doable.

Mass producing vasectomies like McDonald's? You can get a vasectomy at Micky Dees? Well who knew. Can you get fries with that?

Oh and population control is only cool in a non-free fucking society? What society is this btw?

No, adults who make the choice to have vasectomies and tubal ligations aren't insane.

They make the decisions, not anyone else.

I made the McDonald's metaphor to give an example of when you try to mass produce something, the quality diminishes greatly.

I said population control isn't cool in a free society, or any other society.

Reading is fundamental, my sista!

Why do you only want to make the males get vasectomies? Why can't you force a woman to get her tubes tied?

Or why can't abortions be free???

This is just insane crazy talk. You're never gonna force a man to get a vasectomy.

If you think the population needs to be controlled, control it yourself by not having any kids of your own.

Reading AND writing are fundamental!

This is what you said....you did not say ANY society anywhere in your post. You specified "free" society with an emphasis on "free fucking".

I suggest the males for two reasons:

The surgery is quicker and somewhat less complicate as male organs are on the outside. Ask any doctor who performs both surgeries.

Also, males have the ability to impregnate several females at once. A woman on average can only have one to two kids at a time whereas a male can father hundreds of kids at a time. Deposit and run.

I agree that abortions should be free.

Never say never.

I don't have kids and don't plan to.

if you gave every male a vasectomy then teens would have even less reason to abstain or consider the ramifications of sex or wear condoms, and sexually transmitted diseases would get completely out of hand. Is pregnancy worse than AIDS?

How about some parenting & education instead?

NDRU said:

if you gave every male a vasectomy then teens would have even less reason to abstain or consider the ramifications of sex or wear condoms, and sexually transmitted diseases would get completely out of hand. Is pregnancy worse than AIDS?

How about some parenting & education instead?

Many teens don't consider the ramifications of sex or wear condoms anyway and we already have parenting and education. Sexually transmitted diseases are already a sad factor with kids who can get condoms for free at schools and community health clinics. Even if you pay for them,,,condoms are cheaper than birth control pills.

How many teens out there have AIDS or are getting AIDS? As many as are making babies? Doubtful. Why is AIDS the default disease? Teens are probably catching other more common VD.

We should prevent teen pregnancies by any means necessary for the sake of the teens and their would be offspring. People need to grow up a little before forever impacting their life and the kid's life in a negative way.

www.cpeip.fsu.edu/resourceFiles/resourceFile_78.pdf

Poverty, inadequate social support, mothers’ lack of education, mothers’

cognitive immaturity, and greater maternal stress have all been suggested as

possible factors contributing to poor social and educational outcomes for the

children of teen mothers.

The children of adolescents are more likely to be born prematurely and 50%

more likely to be low-birth weight babies (less than five and a half pounds)

when compared to the children of mothers whose age was 20 or 21 when

they had their first child.

Teenagers often receive less adequate prenatal care – and receive it later –

when special programs are not provided for them. When early, frequent, and

quality obstetrical care is available, no increased risk is found in terms of the

health of infants born to teenage mothers. The exception may be very young

mothers, under 15 years of age.

Although developmental delay is not an inevitable consequence for infants

of adolescent mothers, data suggests that this special class of children, when

compared to children born to adult mothers, is at greater risk for a variety of

developmental problems

NDRU said:

if you gave every male a vasectomy then teens would have even less reason to abstain or consider the ramifications of sex or wear condoms, and sexually transmitted diseases would get completely out of hand. Is pregnancy worse than AIDS?

How about some parenting & education instead?

Poiple said:

^^^Ok, let's say reversal is 100% effective--who's gonna pay for these reversals? Healthcare in this country (US) is broke ass enough--now we're gonna have to pay for vasectomy reversals for guys that were "forced" to have them done in the first place? IIRC, a reversal costs in the neighborhood of $20K, and I don't believe insurance pays for it.

Excellent points.