Whistle, your post made this thread worthwhile for me.

abierman said:

2elijah said:

So which Cleopatra are you guys talking about since there were Seven Cleopatras.

you know, the one who looked black but was white..........

Marrk said:

jone70 said:

For what it's worth, some Egyptians do not consider themselves African. I once got into a discussion with an Egyptian cab driver about how he should see an exhibition (Short Century: Liberation & Independence Movements in Africa) and he was like, "I'm not from Africa." Silly me, I thought Egypt was on the continent of Africa. I think northern Africa (ie Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, etc.) does not really identify with sub-Saharan Africa.

That's very true, i've been to three of those countries. Tunisia has lot's of French inspired architecture that's especially beautiful, i think they almost see themselves as European. Very easy going Muslim country too. The women there frown on wearing scarves and hijabs after one of their most revered leaders in the last century called on them to throw it away, also the first muslim country to allow women an education.

So, had there not been a European influence, it wouldn't be an "easy going Muslim country"?

But just to let you know, there were intellectuals & scientists who happen to be women in Baghdad in the middle ages back when 1/2 of Europe's population were living in caves, so kill this condescending "first muslim country to allow education" nonsense.

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Bree8016 said:

I'd love to see any of these ladies of color in the role:

Oh, yes.

One look at any of these ladies and you think...

Egyptian

PANDURITO said:

Bree8016 said:

I'd love to see any of these ladies of color in the role:

Oh, yes.

One look at any of these ladies and you think...

Egyptian

Have you seen the Nubian people who live in the south of Egypt? Have you EVER been to Egypt? Or the "foot in the mouth" routine is just an impulse?

Harlepolis said:

PANDURITO said:

Oh, yes.

One look at any of these ladies and you think...

Egyptian

Have you seen the Nubian people who live in the south of Egypt? Have you EVER been to Egypt? Or the "foot in the mouth" routine is just an impulse?

I know the Nubians, yes. Less than 1% of Egypt population. There are more blacks in Spain.

PANDURITO said:

Harlepolis said:

Have you seen the Nubian people who live in the south of Egypt? Have you EVER been to Egypt? Or the "foot in the mouth" routine is just an impulse?

I know the Nubians, yes. Less than 1% of Egypt population. There are more blacks in Spain.

I have been to Egypt, there are more black people in the Netherlands........

PANDURITO said:

Harlepolis said:

Have you seen the Nubian people who live in the south of Egypt? Have you EVER been to Egypt? Or the "foot in the mouth" routine is just an impulse?

I know the Nubians, yes. Less than 1% of Egypt population. There are more blacks in Spain.

This discussion is about the Egyptian population 2300 BC which was dominated by the Nubians(who happen to be the ORIGINAL Egyptians before everybody migrated).

Harlepolis said:

There probably aren't many on the board that have been to 2300 BC Egypt or seen a Nubian from that era.

One of the really old folks on here perhaps...

Harlepolis said:

PANDURITO said:

I know the Nubians, yes. Less than 1% of Egypt population. There are more blacks in Spain.

This discussion is about the Egyptian population 2300 BC which was dominated by the Nubians(who happen to be the ORIGINAL Egyptians before everybody migrated).

2300BC ?

That's more or less 2300 years Before Cleopatra. More than what separates YOU or me from Cleopatra.

Anyway

Well, smarty pants

The Nubians who happen to occupy the Egyptian southern region are the direct descendants of the population who lived there in Cleopatra's time.

FauxReal said:

Harlepolis said:

This discussion is about the Egyptian population 2300 BC which was dominated by the Nubians(who happen to be the ORIGINAL Egyptians before everybody migrated).

There probably aren't many on the board that have been to 2300 BC Egypt or seen a Nubian from that era. One of the really old folks on here perhaps...

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Harlepolis said:

Well, smarty pants

The Nubians who happen to occupy the Egyptian southern region are the direct descendants of the population who lived there in Cleopatra's time.

I'm sure about that too

Harlepolis said:

Man, I don't know, but I dont think 2300 BC Nubians looked like that. Nor did they have microphones.

FauxReal said:

Harlepolis said:

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Man, I don't know, but I dont think 2300 BC Nubians looked like that. Nor did they have microphones.

Oh yes they did

johnart said:

paintedlady said:

TY! Yes, I could see her playing Cleopatra before Angelina.

Cate Blanchett can play any MF person or thing on this planet and beyond.

What about Thandie Newton?

Kimberly Elise is fierce also.

If they were just going for Star Power then the obvious non-white (well, part white, but you know) choice would be Halle. I'm actually surprised she's not the one. Wonder if she was even a contender.

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Thandie Newton would have been a good choice. I guess her look is non-threatening.

Why not an unknown actress? I'm getting bored with the bulk of these chicks hollywood is throwing at us.

missfee said:

Damn isn't Hollywood tired as fucking hell remaking this damn movie???? Why does each generation need to have a damn "Cleopatra" movie with the top actress playing the lead role at that time? Fucking rediculous!

I agree!

Cleopatra is SO over-exposed. Can we see a film about Nefertiti, or better yet Hatshepsut, the FIRST female Pharaoh of Ancient Egypt? Not Queen, not Consort, not Co-Regent – Pharaoh. I’d def pay to see that,,,couple of time.

Harlepolis said:

missfee said:

Damn isn't Hollywood tired as fucking hell remaking this damn movie???? Why does each generation need to have a damn "Cleopatra" movie with the top actress playing the lead role at that time? Fucking rediculous!

I agree!

Cleopatra is SO over-exposed. Can we see a film about Nefertiti, or better yet Hatshepsut, the FIRST female Pharaoh of Ancient Egypt? Not Queen, not Consort, not Co-Regent – Pharaoh. I’d def pay to see that,,,couple of time.

OMG YES!!! I would pay triple to see that movie.

If hollywood (and the movie going public) doesn't get tired of making all those damn James Bond and Queen Elizabeth films then why should they get tired of making Cleopatra?

Interesting though that there aren't a plethora of Joan of Ark or Queen of Sheba flicks. Guess there is something to be said for bedding Julius Ceasar and committing suicide by snake bite.

Harlepolis said:

Marrk said:

That's very true, i've been to three of those countries. Tunisia has lot's of French inspired architecture that's especially beautiful, i think they almost see themselves as European. Very easy going Muslim country too. The women there frown on wearing scarves and hijabs after one of their most revered leaders in the last century called on them to throw it away, also the first muslim country to allow women an education.

So, had there not been a European influence, it wouldn't be an "easy going Muslim country"?

But just to let you know, there were intellectuals & scientists who happen to be women in Baghdad in the middle ages back when 1/2 of Europe's population were living in caves, so kill this condescending "first muslim country to allow education" nonsense.

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Sorry you read it that way. Not my intention. I did say 'Womens education' BTW, and i was referring to an era that's relevant, not the distant past, which can be questioned as to it's accuracy..

I was just going by what i was told by a local tour guide whilst there and what i read in a museum in Monastir.

I suggest you look up Habib Bourguiba, Tunisias first president. One of his title was 'The liberator of Women'. after independance, womens rights were the 1st thing on his agenda, the 1956 personal status code banned polygamy and ended divorce by renunciation, he placed restrictions on arranged marriage, setting a minimum age of 17 for women and giving them the right to refuse arranged marriage.

He was outspoken on the Hejab branding it an 'odious rag' which he saw as demeaning and banned it from schools, it's unusual to see a woman in Tunisia under 40 that wears them, not wearing them is equated to their liberty.

This guy has a portrait up in nearly every business i walked into, he's that respected there.

Hope that wasn't condescending. Just facts.

regards.

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Harlepolis said:

missfee said:

Damn isn't Hollywood tired as fucking hell remaking this damn movie???? Why does each generation need to have a damn "Cleopatra" movie with the top actress playing the lead role at that time? Fucking rediculous!

I agree!

Cleopatra is SO over-exposed. Can we see a film about Nefertiti, or better yet Hatshepsut, the FIRST female Pharaoh of Ancient Egypt? Not Queen, not Consort, not Co-Regent – Pharaoh. I’d def pay to see that,,,couple of time.

Damn shame, Hollywood is so lackluster and greedy that they have lost ALL creative juices. It takes regular folk to come up with original ideas for them

DesireeNevermind said:

If hollywood (and the movie going public) doesn't get tired of making all those damn James Bond and Queen Elizabeth films then why should they get tired of making Cleopatra?

Interesting though that there aren't a plethora of Joan of Ark or Queen of Sheba flicks. Guess there is something to be said for bedding Julius Ceasar and committing suicide by snake bite.

They SHOULD get tired of remaking the same damn story with different A-list, B-list and C-list actors...but because the almighty green rules, they just keep remaking the same bullshit movie trying to make it the "biggest blockbuster" ever!!! Then have the shit come out during the summer so that it can gross the most money of all time. It doesn't matter if they get the actual correct skin tone of the actress they choose to represent Cleopatra because guess what WE WILL NEVER SEE AN ACCURATE DEPICTION OF THE STORY, PERIOD!!! Hollywood isn't and never has been a business of depicting accurate stories, they always have and will always be in the business of MONEY MONEY MONEY PEOPLE!!!! now I'm going to get a drink.

missfee said:

DesireeNevermind said:

If hollywood (and the movie going public) doesn't get tired of making all those damn James Bond and Queen Elizabeth films then why should they get tired of making Cleopatra?

Interesting though that there aren't a plethora of Joan of Ark or Queen of Sheba flicks. Guess there is something to be said for bedding Julius Ceasar and committing suicide by snake bite.

They SHOULD get tired of remaking the same damn story with different A-list, B-list and C-list actors...but because the almighty green rules, they just keep remaking the same bullshit movie trying to make it the "biggest blockbuster" ever!!! Then have the shit come out during the summer so that it can gross the most money of all time. It doesn't matter if they get the actual correct skin tone of the actress they choose to represent Cleopatra because guess what WE WILL NEVER SEE AN ACCURATE DEPICTION OF THE STORY, PERIOD!!! Hollywood isn't and never has been a business of depicting accurate stories, they always have and will always be in the business of MONEY MONEY MONEY PEOPLE!!!! now I'm going to get a drink.

TALK!

And that is why there's hope in independent cinema,,,,they're more about the craft than the brand.

missfee said:

DesireeNevermind said:

If hollywood (and the movie going public) doesn't get tired of making all those damn James Bond and Queen Elizabeth films then why should they get tired of making Cleopatra?

Interesting though that there aren't a plethora of Joan of Ark or Queen of Sheba flicks. Guess there is something to be said for bedding Julius Ceasar and committing suicide by snake bite.

They SHOULD get tired of remaking the same damn story with different A-list, B-list and C-list actors...but because the almighty green rules, they just keep remaking the same bullshit movie trying to make it the "biggest blockbuster" ever!!! Then have the shit come out during the summer so that it can gross the most money of all time. It doesn't matter if they get the actual correct skin tone of the actress they choose to represent Cleopatra because guess what WE WILL NEVER SEE AN ACCURATE DEPICTION OF THE STORY, PERIOD!!! Hollywood isn't and never has been a business of depicting accurate stories, they always have and will always be in the business of MONEY MONEY MONEY PEOPLE!!!! now I'm going to get a drink.

You got that right! And on that note whatever happened to that Hannibal movie starring Vin Diesel? I'd at least condone the casting of Vin. IMO Hannibal probably looked something like Vin. I think Denzel wanted the part or was at least trying to gain enough funding for his own film version of the North African commander.

missfee said:

DesireeNevermind said:

If hollywood (and the movie going public) doesn't get tired of making all those damn James Bond and Queen Elizabeth films then why should they get tired of making Cleopatra?

Interesting though that there aren't a plethora of Joan of Ark or Queen of Sheba flicks. Guess there is something to be said for bedding Julius Ceasar and committing suicide by snake bite.

They SHOULD get tired of remaking the same damn story with different A-list, B-list and C-list actors...but because the almighty green rules, they just keep remaking the same bullshit movie trying to make it the "biggest blockbuster" ever!!! Then have the shit come out during the summer so that it can gross the most money of all time. It doesn't matter if they get the actual correct skin tone of the actress they choose to represent Cleopatra because guess what WE WILL NEVER SEE AN ACCURATE DEPICTION OF THE STORY, PERIOD!!! Hollywood isn't and never has been a business of depicting accurate stories, they always have and will always be in the business of MONEY MONEY MONEY PEOPLE!!!! now I'm going to get a drink.

Leave it to Hol-lie-wood and their fantasy BS.

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Harlepolis said:

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I had to laugh SO hard cuz of this one. GIF of the month!

XxAxX said:

HamsterHuey said:

Yes. The entire thread is a bit funny to me.

funny in a sad way

Some stuff on here is as surreal as Abierman's YouTube movie. This is also the reason why I never consciously read threads or post on the P+R forum; people just completely locked in their own opinions and wanting to score points or something or just out there to bait, instead of actually debating.

Some people on here scored points though. I love PunkMistress. Kick ass woman. I forgive her for being SO American she's got a gun.

Also, people ranting about Hollywood being unfair should snap out of it; OF COURSE it's unfair. Just like the models in Vogue are not 'normal' women either; it's a product, based on making LOTS of money. And they will always chose to make as much possible money as they can.

I can't blame them.

On the other hand, there are LOADS of off-beat producers that actually DO get good stuff out there. And if you want things to change, find ways to back those people up by going to see the right movies.

And don't talk all the way through it. And don't take noise food with ya. And turn you freakin' phones of, nitwits.

HamsterHuey said:

Also, people ranting about Hollywood being unfair should snap out of it; OF COURSE it's unfair. Just like the models in Vogue are not 'normal' women either; it's a product, based on making LOTS of money. And they will always chose to make as much possible money as they can.

I can't blame them.

On the other hand, there are LOADS of off-beat producers that actually DO get good stuff out there. And if you want things to change, find ways to back those people up by going to see the right movies.

And don't talk all the way through it. And don't take noise food with ya. And turn you freakin' phones of, nitwits.

And thats what some of us are actually doing

Mind you, I really can't say I'm shocked by the choice of casting,,,,,,but I can't help being annoyed by it either.