Anyway. My point is that saying an actor can't play a part because his skin tone doesn't match the character's is like saying they can't because Cleopatra was 5ft. and Angelina is 5ft6.

Or that Cleopatra was dead by the age Agelina is now...

Spinzilla said:

Well if we need a black actor to play Cleopatra let's just get Morgan Freeman to do the job. He can do no wrong.

He gets my vote too

whistle said:

hey, we get Cleopatra and you guys get the Karate Kid. done and done.

LOL. I love that phrase, lol. And you know what, I hope Jaden makes a good 3 more of them movies too. Squeeze out every million he can get from that character. It's his now.

Anyway, like Elizabeth Taylor, I think the directors are looking at Angelina's specific iconic facial features for the role. So if they just refuse to hire a Black or Egyptian actress and absolutely want Angelina's face/eyes to be Cleopatra, I think if they can make her look dark enough, and hire Black actors to be other Egyptians this time, it might work. But my pick would be Halle Berry.

Spinzilla said:

Well if we need a black actor to play Cleopatra let's just get Morgan Freeman to do the job. He can do no wrong.

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Harlepolis said:

Don't wanna crash your thread, Chico but this has PAUL MOONEY written all over it...

Angelina is a beautiful woman, IMO. But the role of Cleopatra should've went to Janet!:

Mach said:

So who do you all think could play the part ? Angie baby can act the part sure

but who else ?

Janet!

CHIC0 said:

Damn, that's hot.

whistle said:

hey, we get Cleopatra and you guys get the Karate Kid. done and done.

Okay, fair. you got a deal.

I'm tired of fighting. I'd rather we all go have martinis instead

johnart said:

OK Nah.

I have had a few and could only make it a few posts past my last one without getting PTFO.

Can we just agree that maybe someone of a bit darker persuasion than Angie might have made a more fitting choice for the role without callin all white folk racist and all of that nonsense bullshit.

Shit. For real.

Uuugh. FINALLY, a person of reason here...who knows a good cocktail triumphs over all

Ottensen said:

johnart said:

OK Nah.

I have had a few and could only make it a few posts past my last one without getting PTFO.

Can we just agree that maybe someone of a bit darker persuasion than Angie might have made a more fitting choice for the role without callin all white folk racist and all of that nonsense bullshit.

Shit. For real.

Uuugh. FINALLY, a person of reason here...who knows a good cocktail triumphs over all

I liked the "darker persuasion" part

I love Angelina and think she'd be great job as Cleopatra. I'd prefer to see a black woman in the role buthe decision to cast Angelina was motivated by money. She's the most prolific actresses of her generation, and love her or hate her she is a good actress and will do a good job of it. Movies without a 'celebrity' actor do not sell as well, if you want to direct your anger at someone direct at the stupid audience.

As long as it's not Halle Berry it's all good.

Spinzilla said:

Well if we need a black actor to play Cleopatra let's just get Morgan Freeman to do the job. He can do no wrong.

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abierman said:

the discussion about Cleopatra on this thread reminds me of a hilarious scene of Louis Theroux' 'Weird Weekends':

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/wa...KYvDn095Ew[/youtube]

it gets really interesting at 2:10 minutes.......

people, the answer is in this video!!!!!

SavonOsco said:

Only answer in that video is that dude need to do something with his nails.. The answer is at the Cloepatra display of her artifacts.. Just tan ole Angie up and put thandie newton and Paula Patton around her and call it a day...this movie doesn't have a chance..

'Cleopatra looks black, but she is white!'

But Beethoven, Mozart and Tom Jones are all black!

Aryll said:

Dewrede said:

meh.

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I think we just got caught up in assuming that everything from Africa is black.

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Surely you mean Everyone?! or did I misunderstand what you were trying to say?

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luv4u said:

Phew!!

Sorry bout all that...

Damn isn't Hollywood tired as fucking hell remaking this damn movie???? Why does each generation need to have a damn "Cleopatra" movie with the top actress playing the lead role at that time? Fucking rediculous!

sorry, but Cleopatra was just a black as Thomas Jefferson, George Washington or Abraham Lincoln were Native Americans. or as Alexander the Great and his soldiers were black.

she's a descendant of one of Alexander the Great's generals, the origin was 100 percent Helenistc/Greek. she also spoke Greek like all other Ptolemaic "governours" before her, and only learned Egyptian as a second language later on

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noimageatall said:

'She probably wasn't just completely European. You've got to remember that her family had actually lived in Egypt for 300 years by the time she came to power.'

so descendants of immigrants to America who arrived 300 years ago with the Mayflower or other ships, must all have mixed with Native Americans and can simply not be "completely" white/European/Caucasion in 2010? good, so no W.A.S.P. can be alive today

reality is different though, here men tend to marrys/mate/breed within their own group, and that is especially true in elitist circles and royal or ruling dynasties. and it was als the fact within the Ptolemaic dynasty, even inbreeding with siblings'n shit, as Cleopatras well know family tree shows

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BombSquad said:

sorry, but Cleopatra was just a black as Thomas Jefferson, George Washington or Abraham Lincoln were Native Americans. or as Alexander the Great and his soldiers were black.

she's a descendant of one of Alexander the Great's generals, the origin was 100 percent Helenistc/Greek. she also spoke Greek like all other Ptolemaic "governours" before her, and only learned Egyptian as a second language later on

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JuliePurplehead said:

Does Cleopatra scream and cry at the same time? Because that's the only role Angelina Jolie can play well.

paintedlady said:

Angelina in a spray on tan

Well, she's already done blackface

Harlepolis said:

And let the collective shit hit the poor single fan.....

and

PunkMistress said:

tinaz said:

So what are you gonna say if I tell you "all non white people need to STFU"... your god damn right its offensive... this is a forum where people are free to DISCUSS things, and one would hope these discussions can be had by people of ALL colors...

I have a life, i dont spend it speaking or treating people in a way that is offensive....

The way it was said was harsh, but I think the point is, white people need to learn to do more LISTENING when it comes to issues of race.

Saying "all non white people need to STFU" is redundant, because in society non-white people have learned since they were born that they are expected to STFU. Whites are so used to having power and privilege that we don't notice it. Trust me, though, non-white people do. So if someone is sick and tired of that and just has to yell SHUT THE FUCK UP once in a while, instead of getting offended maybe it's a good idea to take a moment and wonder what might have pushed people to that point?

Gurrrlll, you gon' make me buy you a short set.

noimageatall said:

Okaaaaayyyy....

http://www.dailymail.co.u...patra.html

Sorry Liz, but THIS is the real face of Cleopatra

By Fiona Macrae
Last updated at 11:34 AM on 16th December 2008

From Elizabeth Taylor to Sophia Loren, there have been many faces of Cleopatra. But this might be the most realistic of them all.

Egyptologist Sally Ann Ashton believes the compute regenerated 3D image is the best likeness of the legendary beauty famed for her ability to beguile.

Likeness: The computer-generated 3D image has been pieced together from images on ancient artefacts

Pieced together from images on ancient artefacts, including a ring dating from Cleopatra's reign 2,000 years ago, it is the culmination of more than a year of painstaking research.

The result is a beautiful young woman of mixed ethnicity - very different to the porcelain-skinned Westernised version portrayed by Elizabeth Taylor in the 1961 movie Cleopatra.

Dr Ashton, of Cambridge University, said the images, to be broadcast as part of a Five documentary on Cleopatra, reflect the monarch's Greek heritage as well as her Egyptian upbringing.

'She probably wasn't just completely European. You've got to remember that her family had actually lived in Egypt for 300 years by the time she came to power.'

The picture of the queen contrasts with several other less flattering portrayals. For instance, a silver coin which went on show at Newcastle University's Sefton Museum last year showed her as having a shallow forehead, pointed chin, thin lips and hooked nose. Her lover, the Roman general Mark Antony, fared little better.

The reverse side shows him to have bulging eyes and a thick neck. The queen's appearance has long been the subject of debate among academics. While Shakespeare's Antony and Cleopatra made reference to her youthful looks and 'infinite-variety', many believe she was short and frumpy with bad teeth.

A statue of Cleopatra exhibited at the British Museum in 2001 portrayed her as plain, no more than 5ft tall and rather plump.

Born in Alexandra in 69BC, into a Macedonian Greek dynasty which had ruled Egypt for three centuries, Cleopatra acceded to the throne at 17. Three years later she seduced Julius Caesar, bearing him a son, Caesarion.

After Caesar was assassinated she courted Mark Antony before committing suicide on his death. Legend has it that she put an asp, a venomous serpent, to her breast.

I can be yo suga mama too.

SCNDLS said:

Gurrrlll, you gon' make me buy you a short set.

SCNDLS said:

PunkMistress said:

The way it was said was harsh, but I think the point is, white people need to learn to do more LISTENING when it comes to issues of race.

Saying "all non white people need to STFU" is redundant, because in society non-white people have learned since they were born that they are expected to STFU. Whites are so used to having power and privilege that we don't notice it. Trust me, though, non-white people do. So if someone is sick and tired of that and just has to yell SHUT THE FUCK UP once in a while, instead of getting offended maybe it's a good idea to take a moment and wonder what might have pushed people to that point?

Gurrrlll, you gon' make me buy you a short set.

This thread is funny.

Even if she's completely white and it's not historically accurate I think she's going to make a fine Cleopatra. Instead of having a romantic fling with Julius Caesar in the film they could also change that character to Hitler.