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Cinnie said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Hold on....Why did the cop twist her arm so roughly then throw her that hard on the floor? That was not necessary.

It's not like the officer just walked in there and threw the chick on the ground. She was twisting around and resisting arrest.

Agreed. She was resisting... wtf was the cop supposed to do... he was trying to cuff her for a long time before the twisting and throwing down...

How long was this crap supposed to continue for?

Love how the behavior of a customer who can't conduct themselves properly becomes the manager's fault

The ordering process at McDonald's is not that difficult

Cinnie said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Hold on....Why did the cop twist her arm so roughly then throw her that hard on the floor? That was not necessary.

It's not like the officer just walked in there and threw the chick on the ground. She was twisting around and resisting arrest.

Yeah, you're right, she was ignorant and pulling back, but that harsh Judo throw was not warranted, aside from him being able to do it legally just because he's a police officer. Resisting arrest or not, she didn't threaten or do anything violent to him, so from the way it looks on the film, he became too aggressive way too quickly. I've seen stupid people like her resist arrest like that in public, but they weren't thrown down, unless they attacked an officer. Otherwise, they're just held down to be cuffed (usually by more than one officer) and escorted away.

But I'm sure, in his defense, folks will say he was just protecting himself. It can be viewed either way, but I don't agree with his action.

WaterInYourBath said:

Cinnie said:

It's not like the officer just walked in there and threw the chick on the ground. She was twisting around and resisting arrest.

Yeah, you're right, she was ignorant and pulling back, but that harsh Judo throw was not warranted, aside from him being able to do it legally just because he's a police officer. Resisting arrest or not, she didn't threaten or do anything violent to him, so from the way it looks on the film, it's like he became too aggressive way too quickly. I've seen stupid people like her resist arrest like that in public, but they weren't thrown down, unless they attacked an officer. Otherwise, they're just held down to be cuffed (usually by more that one officer) and escorted away.

But I'm sure, in his defense, folks will say he was just protecting himself. It can be viewed either way, but I don't agree with his action.

So what was he supposed to do? If someone is resisting arrest, at some point the officer needs to make the arrest... if he doesn't use force, this would have gone on for hours...

crazydoctor said:

Cinnie said:

It's not like the officer just walked in there and threw the chick on the ground. She was twisting around and resisting arrest.

Agreed. She was resisting... wtf was the cop supposed to do... he was trying to cuff her for a long time before the twisting and throwing down...

How long was this crap supposed to continue for?

Exactly! Don't know how folks muster sympathy for her unless they see a part of themselves wearing that rat tail

crazydoctor said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Yeah, you're right, she was ignorant and pulling back, but that harsh Judo throw was not warranted, aside from him being able to do it legally just because he's a police officer. Resisting arrest or not, she didn't threaten or do anything violent to him, so from the way it looks on the film, he became too aggressive way too quickly. I've seen stupid people like her resist arrest like that in public, but they weren't thrown down, unless they attacked an officer. Otherwise, they're just held down to be cuffed (usually by more than one officer) and escorted away.

But I'm sure, in his defense, folks will say he was just protecting himself. It can be viewed either way, but I don't agree with his action.

So what was he supposed to do? If someone is resisting arrest, at some point the officer needs to make the arrest... if he doesn't use force, this would have gone on for hours...

He had her cornered. She couldn't go anywhere and wasn't trying to run. How about wait until one of the other officers behind him ran in to assist? It would not have taken long at all for two or more of them to restrain her properly.

Like I said, except for TV, I've never seen someone arrested by just ONE officer. They usually always work in pairs.

WaterInYourBath said:

crazydoctor said:

So what was he supposed to do? If someone is resisting arrest, at some point the officer needs to make the arrest... if he doesn't use force, this would have gone on for hours...

He had her cornered. She couldn't go anywhere and wasn't trying to run. How about wait until one of the other officers behind him ran in to assist? It would not have taken long at all for two or more of them to restrain her properly.

Like I said, except for TV, I've never seen someone arrested by just ONE officer. They usually always work in pairs.

Okay now I see a point there. Especially since backup did arrive.

Have we established that she was drunk or just crazy?

WaterInYourBath said:

crazydoctor said:

So what was he supposed to do? If someone is resisting arrest, at some point the officer needs to make the arrest... if he doesn't use force, this would have gone on for hours...

He had her cornered. She couldn't go anywhere and wasn't trying to run. How about wait until one of the other officers behind him ran in to assist? It would not have taken long at all for two or more of them to restrain her properly.

Like I said, except for TV, I've never seen someone arrested by just ONE officer. They usually always work in pairs.

You can't assume back up will come in a timely manner. For all you know the rest of the police is at Burger King arresting 2 stupid drunk "Ladies"

kpowers said:

You can't assume back up will come in a timely manner.

True indeed.

The cop seemed worried for his own safety and for his own ego. This is where the manager of Mickey D's, should have stepped to the plate and helped restore order to the place; the manager and his staff should have escorted the patrons out sooner. While this was the cop's call, he was too busy trying to trying to make a collar. This being said, the cop should have done a better job of assessing the situation, and called for backup, instead of trying to play hero just because there was a crowd. The judo flip, while uncalled for, would not have been necessary had there been another officer present.

Cinnie said:

crazydoctor said:

Agreed. She was resisting... wtf was the cop supposed to do... he was trying to cuff her for a long time before the twisting and throwing down...

How long was this crap supposed to continue for?

Exactly! Don't know how folks muster sympathy for her unless they see a part of themselves wearing that rat tail

If she had only been shoved like the instigator before the arrest, or heck, if the cop had even pulled his gun out to make her submit, I would have no issue, lol. But arm-twisted and thrown to the floor? Seriously? Nah.

shorttrini said:

The cop seemed worried for his own safety and for his own ego. This is where the manager of Mickey D's, should have stepped to the plate and helped restore order to the place; the manager and his staff should have escorted the patrons out sooner. While this was the cop's call, he was too busy trying to trying to make a collar. This being said, the cop should have done a better job of assessing the situation, and called for backup, instead of trying to play hero just because there was a crowd. The judo flip, while uncalled for, would not have been necessary had there been another officer present.

Precisely.

kpowers said:

WaterInYourBath said:

He had her cornered. She couldn't go anywhere and wasn't trying to run. How about wait until one of the other officers behind him ran in to assist? It would not have taken long at all for two or more of them to restrain her properly.

Like I said, except for TV, I've never seen someone arrested by just ONE officer. They usually always work in pairs.

You can't assume back up will come in a timely manner. For all you know the rest of the police is at Burger King arresting 2 stupid drunk "Ladies"

That's true. Definitely. Which is why him going in alone is odd to me.

kpowers said:

laurarichardson said:

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Handled badly by McDonalds. Where is the manager? Why did he or she not put this crazy person out of the store along with the camera man and the instigators. We are living in a world were everyone thinks it is okay to film every thing and anyone and it is not okay.

Don't blame the McDonalds crew. The guy in the yellow shirt did give her food and she slap it out of his hand. That lady gave the cops a hard time so an un-train McDonalds crew would do any better???? Besides we live in an age when store managers who try to stop crime at their stores end up getting fired (Just happen last month to a Walmart manager)

...or worse yet, stabbed or shot.

shorttrini said:

The cop seemed worried for his own safety and for his own ego. This is where the manager of Mickey D's, should have stepped to the plate and helped restore order to the place; the manager and his staff should have escorted the patrons out sooner. While this was the cop's call, he was too busy trying to trying to make a collar. This being said, the cop should have done a better job of assessing the situation, and called for backup, instead of trying to play hero just because there was a crowd. The judo flip, while uncalled for, would not have been necessary had there been another officer present.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! McDonalds managers and crew are not trained for crowd control. If they did and things got out of control you would say they (the McDonalds crew) should have waited for the police.

kpowers said:

shorttrini said:

The cop seemed worried for his own safety and for his own ego. This is where the manager of Mickey D's, should have stepped to the plate and helped restore order to the place; the manager and his staff should have escorted the patrons out sooner. While this was the cop's call, he was too busy trying to trying to make a collar. This being said, the cop should have done a better job of assessing the situation, and called for backup, instead of trying to play hero just because there was a crowd. The judo flip, while uncalled for, would not have been necessary had there been another officer present.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! McDonalds managers and crew are not trained for crowd control. If they did and things got out of control you would say they (the McDonalds crew) should have waited for the police.

WaterInYourBath said:

kpowers said:

You can't assume back up will come in a timely manner. For all you know the rest of the police is at Burger King arresting 2 stupid drunk "Ladies"

That's true. Definitely. Which is why him going in alone is odd to me.

Well he can't just wait outside till back up comes. Lets put blame where it belongs, the "Lady" and those guys telling her to jump the counter.

kpowers said:

shorttrini said:

The cop seemed worried for his own safety and for his own ego. This is where the manager of Mickey D's, should have stepped to the plate and helped restore order to the place; the manager and his staff should have escorted the patrons out sooner. While this was the cop's call, he was too busy trying to trying to make a collar. This being said, the cop should have done a better job of assessing the situation, and called for backup, instead of trying to play hero just because there was a crowd. The judo flip, while uncalled for, would not have been necessary had there been another officer present.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! McDonalds managers and crew are not trained for crowd control. If they did and things got out of control you would say they (the McDonalds crew) should have waited for the police.

Number one, we are not talking about a crowd that was out of control. We are talking about a select few, who were instigating. They weren't unruly, they were just there. Most Mickey D's are franchises, so this is his business. This being his business, he needed to take control of the situation. If not by crowd control, then by he HIMSELF, calling for more cops. There is no law that says that you are limited to one call per day, to 911. I am sure that he or a member of his staff has something called a cellphone. Someone should have used it and called again.

shorttrini said:

kpowers said:

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! McDonalds managers and crew are not trained for crowd control. If they did and things got out of control you would say they (the McDonalds crew) should have waited for the police.

Number one, we are not talking about a crowd that was out of control. We are talking about a select few, who were instigating. They weren't unruly, they were just there. Most Mickey D's are franchises, so this is his business. This being his business, he needed to take control of the situation. If not by crowd control, then by he HIMSELF, calling for more cops. There is no law that says that you are limited to one call per day, to 911. I am sure that he or a member of his staff has something called a cellphone. Someone should have used it and called again.

Might as well join the police instead of McDonalds then. How do you know the crowd would have grown (like it done in the past) and get out of control???? Yes it is a business and I'm pretty sure the store policy is to call the police. If they would step in more than likely they would lose their jobs.

kpowers said:

shorttrini said:

Number one, we are not talking about a crowd that was out of control. We are talking about a select few, who were instigating. They weren't unruly, they were just there. Most Mickey D's are franchises, so this is his business. This being his business, he needed to take control of the situation. If not by crowd control, then by he HIMSELF, calling for more cops. There is no law that says that you are limited to one call per day, to 911. I am sure that he or a member of his staff has something called a cellphone. Someone should have used it and called again.

Might as well join the police instead of McDonalds then. How do you know the crowd would have grown (like it done in the past) and get out of control???? Yes it is a business and I'm pretty sure the store policy is to call the police. If they would step in more than likely they would lose their jobs.

Number one, the doors were still unlocked. This is something that the cop failed to do, (lock the door behind him). Number 2, I seriously doubt that the employees would have gotten fired for following store policy,(calling the police), this is what I meant by stepping in. Everybody in the store was waiting for somebody else to do something.

coonery and tomfoolery all around!

ps this is why I can't deal with John Q Public no mo'

going soley by this video....am i watching the same video as some of you???

let's see....

she cursing everyone

she grabs a bag of food intended for another person and throws it at employess

she hops on the counter

she gets in a guys face

she's drunk, in public (according to the poster of the video)

she's belligerent

a mob (yes a mob) of people gather around shouting obsenities

the officer gives her a couple warnings

she's resisting

then officers tell people to back up and clear out and all of a sudden everyone's got to explain something, "oh i need to pay for my food" "hey officer i..." STFU!!! idiots

yeah...the cops were in the wrong. NOT!

again, she got what she deserved. actually she probably deserved more.

fucking nasty people.

and with closer observation, he doesn't actually throw her to the ground. she's drunk, and the floors are probably greasy, so with his force & him trying to bring her arm back combined with everything else...BAM...she deserved it!

that is a major problem in this world. people feeling that they are entitled to everything. or that they can act however they want without consequences.

and if the crew at McDonald's had handled it, i bet there would have been a lawsuit. if the stupid cunt isn't filing one already. they did nothing wrong. even IF they had messed up her order, there are civil ways of handling it. i'm just surprised the officer let it go on THAT long.

when we allow and encourage people to act like garbage and ass clowns, don't be surprised why things are they way they are sometimes. i mean, all this over 4 pieces of "questionable meat" ??

GTFO!!! fuck her!!

all this over 4 pieces of "questionable meat" ??

I guess she likes her meat like her hair....unbeweaveable!!

CHIC0 said:

going soley by this video....am i watching the same video as some of you???

let's see....

she cursing everyone

she grabs a bag of food intended for another person and throws it at employess

she hops on the counter

she gets in a guys face

she's drunk, in public (according to the poster of the video)

she's belligerent

a mob (yes a mob) of people gather around shouting obsenities

the officer gives her a couple warnings

she's resisting

then officers tell people to back up and clear out and all of a sudden everyone's got to explain something, "oh i need to pay for my food" "hey officer i..." STFU!!! idiots

yeah...the cops were in the wrong. NOT!

again, she got what she deserved. actually she probably deserved more.

fucking nasty people.

and with closer observation, he doesn't actually throw her to the ground. she's drunk, and the floors are probably greasy, so with his force & him trying to bring her arm back combined with everything else...BAM...she deserved it!

that is a major problem in this world. people feeling that they are entitled to everything. or that they can act however they want without consequences.

and if the crew at McDonald's had handled it, i bet there would have been a lawsuit. if the stupid cunt isn't filing one already. they did nothing wrong. even IF they had messed up her order, there are civil ways of handling it. i'm just surprised the officer let it go on THAT long.

when we allow and encourage people to act like garbage and ass clowns, don't be surprised why things are they way they are sometimes. i mean, all this over 4 pieces of "questionable meat" ??

GTFO!!! fuck her!!

the cop didnt see any of that behavior and he was not to assume- upon approaching her he was suppose to verbally deal with the situation first- the first thing he did was put his hands on her- that was wrong......

for all he knew she could have been attacked first

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kpowers said:

laurarichardson said:

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Handled badly by McDonalds. Where is the manager? Why did he or she not put this crazy person out of the store along with the camera man and the instigators. We are living in a world were everyone thinks it is okay to film every thing and anyone and it is not okay.

Don't blame the McDonalds crew. The guy in the yellow shirt did give her food and she slap it out of his hand. That lady gave the cops a hard time so an un-train McDonalds crew would do any better???? Besides we live in an age when store managers who try to stop crime at their stores end up getting fired (Just happen last month to a Walmart manager)

Managers are supposed to manage. If you do not want to manage do not take the postion. The manager should have asked her to leave the store. McDonalds is not a public area and you can be asked to leave. If she refused to leave than the police should have been called. I doubt homegirl was going to pull a gun out of her shorts.

I have worked in retail and watched mangers with balls put people out of establishments for acting ingorant and the managers did not get fired. In addtion, the person you talking about worked at Walmart nuff said right there.

kpowers said:

shorttrini said:

Number one, we are not talking about a crowd that was out of control. We are talking about a select few, who were instigating. They weren't unruly, they were just there. Most Mickey D's are franchises, so this is his business. This being his business, he needed to take control of the situation. If not by crowd control, then by he HIMSELF, calling for more cops. There is no law that says that you are limited to one call per day, to 911. I am sure that he or a member of his staff has something called a cellphone. Someone should have used it and called again.

Might as well join the police instead of McDonalds then. How do you know the crowd would have grown (like it done in the past) and get out of control???? Yes it is a business and I'm pretty sure the store policy is to call the police. If they would step in more than likely they would lose their jobs.

Kpowers did you grow up on the moon. Who the hell lose their job for calling the police on a unruly customer?

laurarichardson said:

kpowers said:

Don't blame the McDonalds crew. The guy in the yellow shirt did give her food and she slap it out of his hand. That lady gave the cops a hard time so an un-train McDonalds crew would do any better???? Besides we live in an age when store managers who try to stop crime at their stores end up getting fired (Just happen last month to a Walmart manager)

Managers are supposed to manage. If you do not want to manage do not take the postion. The manager should have asked her to leave the store. McDonalds is not a public area and you can be asked to leave. If she refused to leave than the police should have been called. I doubt homegirl was going to pull a gun out of her shorts.

I have worked in retail and watched mangers with balls put people out of establishments for acting ingorant and the managers did not get fired. In addtion, the person you talking about worked at Walmart nuff said right there.

First of all smarty how do you know he didn't ask her to leave, the video does not show everything that lead to that point.

laurarichardson said:

kpowers said:

Might as well join the police instead of McDonalds then. How do you know the crowd would have grown (like it done in the past) and get out of control???? Yes it is a business and I'm pretty sure the store policy is to call the police. If they would step in more than likely they would lose their jobs.

Kpowers did you grow up on the moon. Who the hell lose their job for calling the police on a unruly customer?

Can you read???? I never said that. The person I was replying to believes that manager and crew should physically control the rowdy crowd.

shorttrini said:

The cop seemed worried for his own safety and for his own ego. This is where the manager of Mickey D's, should have stepped to the plate and helped restore order to the place; the manager and his staff should have escorted the patrons out sooner. While this was the cop's call, he was too busy trying to trying to make a collar. This being said, the cop should have done a better job of assessing the situation, and called for backup, instead of trying to play hero just because there was a crowd. The judo flip, while uncalled for, would not have been necessary had there been another officer present.

First of all how do you know the cop didn't already called up for back up???? I don't know why you think the McDonalds crew should "escort" the crowd out. The most they can do is to tell them to leave, that is all. They are not allowed to physically touch anyone. Even if more police was there the result would still be the same, she still would have resisted arrest (Instead of one cop throwing to the floor it would have been 2) and the rest of the cops would tell the crowd to leave (and the crowd would still yell "I didn't get my food") There are 2 ways to get arrested, the easy way and the hard way. If you are stupid enough to do it the hard way police are allowed to use force.