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On Vancouver, Having Been Here Two Years -please read

Soon enough it'll be the 2nd anniversary of my move from the Okanagan to Vancouver, so I thought I'd put a little piece together for the occasion. Just a few thoughts and observances on The City of Glass, more or less in the style of Esquire's "What I've Learned".

There's no narrative, and there's no particular order. I'm probably not even finished. More likely than not I'll be returning to add more as it comes to me.

Here we go:









May 29, 2010
What I've Learned-in' It


I'm still surprised by the ubiquity of coffee shops. Not just Starbucks, but everything. From other chain cafes like Blenz and Waves to independently owned caffeine spots. The main drag in my neighbourhood has 37 places to bean up in a 20 block stretch, and that's not including the convenience store or McDonalds' brews a less-choosy body can select.

Nowhere is this province's economic meltdown more obvious than here. This city is home to the country's poorest postal code, and has a staggering rate of unemployment. It's no longer unusual to go to a house party and find out everyone in attendance is out of work. And if you can find a job? It's likely to be one far below your skill or education level. I happen to know for a fact the girl who served me my morning coffee today has a Masters' degree, and it's sure as shit not in latte art.

And the rain. People always bitch about the weather here, especially out-of-towners, but it's such a blessing. That sounds hokey, and I tried to think of a less purple-prose-ish way to describe it, but it really is. The rain keeps our greens green and the air is always fresh and clean for it -a rare thing in a big city. Who else in an urban centre has the luxury of breathing deep and not getting a lungful of crap for their trouble?

Everyone smokes, and no one drives. We're a generation with strong, muscled legs and wheezy breath.

My dears, if anyone ever tries to tell you that punk is dead or that the hippie movement fizzled out when the Peace & Love generation grew up and sold out, they'd be wrong. The counter cultures never died, at least not here. They just shifted a little. You can still find barefoot flower children and snarling anarchists roaming around. It's just that these days a rebel is just as likely to wear a suit as she is love beads or spikes. I suspect even our Mayor would be out singing Kumbaya at the protests if his political aspirations hadn't demanded he be an Upstanding Citizen.

No one here can bear to be uncool. Not a soul will admit to love for Britney Spears or Backstreet Boys or any other dorky pop act. And yet they regularly sell out stadium shows. Make of that what you will.

We have a very peculiar approach to race. We're a city of tremendous ethnic diversity. We fancy ourselves part of an inclusive cozy cultural quilt or tasty mixed salad. But, as always, the reality doesn't match the myth. There are "asian" stores and "brown" nightclubs and "black" bars and, and, and. I attended a college that offered courses on race and ethnic relations in Canada, with cleaning staff comprised entirely of non-white immigrants. Natives are put on a pedestal by government and Olympic officials as a Revered People -but go down to the Downtown Eastside and a solid bulk of the people on the streets there are Indigenous. So much for reverence. We crow about our tolerance and open-mindedness all the while it being a poorly-kept secret that certain whites avoid buying or renting in suburbs with too many South Asian people. There's no such thing as a city without racism, but we cling to our myth of inclusivity the way few other places do.
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Reply #1 posted 05/29/10 7:09pm

missmad

great read hun.

And it is unfortunate that the girl who has a master's is serving you coffee but at least it is something you know.

Not sure what people r complaining about I looooove the rain.
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Reply #2 posted 05/29/10 7:16pm

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missmad said:

great read hun.

And it is unfortunate that the girl who has a master's is serving you coffee but at least it is something you know.

Not sure what people r complaining about I looooove the rain.

Thank you. hug
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Reply #3 posted 05/29/10 7:20pm

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meow85 said:

missmad said:

great read hun.

And it is unfortunate that the girl who has a master's is serving you coffee but at least it is something you know.

Not sure what people r complaining about I looooove the rain.

Thank you. hug


no problem. hug
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Reply #4 posted 05/31/10 9:25am

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Cool ...

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Reply #5 posted 05/31/10 9:49am

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good article.

for some reason, it makes me think: 'do people from canada have regional accents?

will someone from BC sound different to someone from Nova Scotia, for example?

i lived in Canada for a short time, but that was in Montreal, where everyone has an accent.

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Reply #6 posted 05/31/10 9:54am

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great read

- and I love rain, too.. lol

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Reply #7 posted 05/31/10 5:42pm

Ace

I have a friend who moved from Toronto to Vancouver, for school. She hated it. Couldn't wait to get back home.

Me, I've never been. I don't like Canada.

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Reply #8 posted 05/31/10 6:09pm

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whistle said: good article. for some reason, it makes me think: 'do people from canada have regional accents? will someone from BC sound different to someone from Nova Scotia, for example? i lived in Canada for a short time, but that was in Montreal, where everyone has an accent. There are absolutely regional accents across Canada. Echoing adjacent U.S. regional accents, B.C. folk sound somewhat Californian; prairie folk sound like Minnesotans or Dakotans (watch Fargo); southeastern Ontarians have some of the prairie drawl, but it is markedly neutralized, I think, because of so much multilingual influence in and around Toronto and Ottawa. Anglophone Quebecers sound pretty much like Ontarians, I think, although most I know boast wonderfully genuine Quebecois French accents when they need them, which makes sense. Lastly, I personally think folk from the Maritimes (with the exception of some Acadians) have an almost Irish-sounding accent. smile I'm up here from the States, though. It'd be interesting to see the opinion of a native Canadian.

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Reply #9 posted 05/31/10 6:23pm

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Ace said:

I have a friend who moved from Toronto to Vancouver, for school. She hated it. Couldn't wait to get back home.

Me, I've never been. I don't like Canada.

talk to the hand

Please. You should be on the flag.

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Reply #10 posted 05/31/10 6:25pm

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whistle said:

good article.

for some reason, it makes me think: 'do people from canada have regional accents?

will someone from BC sound different to someone from Nova Scotia, for example?

i lived in Canada for a short time, but that was in Montreal, where everyone has an accent.

Yes, having lived in several parts of Canada, I can tell you that there are huge regional differences.

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Reply #11 posted 05/31/10 8:06pm

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Lammastide said:

Ace said:

I have a friend who moved from Toronto to Vancouver, for school. She hated it. Couldn't wait to get back home.

Me, I've never been. I don't like Canada.

talk to the hand

Please. You should be on the flag.

The Toronto flag, yes. But I don't consider Toronto part of Canada. razz

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Reply #12 posted 05/31/10 11:48pm

ZombieKitten

what's the story with immigrants and employment over there?

I got a couple of friends, young, early 20s who want to finish their studies and get jobs (IT) and are having trouble getting permanent residency here. They think moving to Canada is going to help them. She is from Mauritius and he is from Colombia.

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Reply #13 posted 06/01/10 12:25pm

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whistle said:

good article.

for some reason, it makes me think: 'do people from canada have regional accents?

will someone from BC sound different to someone from Nova Scotia, for example?

i lived in Canada for a short time, but that was in Montreal, where everyone has an accent.

We absolutely do have accents. nod

I was born in Alberta and lived there until i was nearly 7, so even though I've been in BC ever since then I still sound Albertan. I never noticed this much when I lived in the Okanagan because so many old Alberta farmers go there to retire.

But in Vancouver? At least once a week somebody hears me speak and has to ask where I'm from. More than a few have assumed I was American. lol

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Mach said:

Cool ...

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PositivityNYC said:

great read

- and I love rain, too.. lol

I do too!

Okay, I didn't love it yesterday. It was too warm, and the rain came down so hard it felt like hail.

But generally I love it. biggrin

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Ace said:

I have a friend who moved from Toronto to Vancouver, for school. She hated it. Couldn't wait to get back home.

Me, I've never been. I don't like Canada.

I'm not surprised. Toronto and Vancouver might as well be in different galaxies. Toronto thinks it's better than everywhere else, and everyone else just hates Toronto. I've been to T.O. a few times, and it's definitely not somewhere I'd want to go back to in a hurry. I'll take hippies and green trees over snobs and pollution any day.

Don't like Canada?

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ZombieKitten said:

what's the story with immigrants and employment over there?

I got a couple of friends, young, early 20s who want to finish their studies and get jobs (IT) and are having trouble getting permanent residency here. They think moving to Canada is going to help them. She is from Mauritius and he is from Colombia.

Right now it's hard for anybody to find work, at least in BC.

Even in better times it can be rough for immigrants to find steady employment, there are so many hoops one has to try jumping through. It's slightly easier for those who speak English as a first language, but even then it depends on the industry. I know if a person is a refugee a lot of churches run programs that can aid in paperwork, job placement, and finding somewhere to live.

A friend of the family was a registered nurse in Poland, but has to work just as a care aide here because she can never get her marks high enough on the language proficiency exams.

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Reply #18 posted 06/01/10 4:11pm

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meow85 said:

ZombieKitten said:

what's the story with immigrants and employment over there?

I got a couple of friends, young, early 20s who want to finish their studies and get jobs (IT) and are having trouble getting permanent residency here. They think moving to Canada is going to help them. She is from Mauritius and he is from Colombia.

Right now it's hard for anybody to find work, at least in BC.

Even in better times it can be rough for immigrants to find steady employment, there are so many hoops one has to try jumping through. It's slightly easier for those who speak English as a first language, but even then it depends on the industry. I know if a person is a refugee a lot of churches run programs that can aid in paperwork, job placement, and finding somewhere to live.

A friend of the family was a registered nurse in Poland, but has to work just as a care aide here because she can never get her marks high enough on the language proficiency exams.

crap sad

I liked your OP

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Reply #19 posted 06/01/10 6:53pm

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meow85 said:

Toronto thinks knows it's better than everywhere else, and everyone else just hates Toronto is playa-hatin'.

nod

Don't like Canada?

No, I don't. But don't take it personally - I don't like 99% of things. smile

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Ace said:

meow85 said:

Toronto thinks knows it's better than everywhere else, and everyone else just hates Toronto is playa-hatin'.

nod

Don't like Canada?

No, I don't. But don't take it personally - I don't like 99% of things. smile

This is intriguing. I'm interested to know what you don't like about Canada that, apparently, Toronto gets correct. hmmm

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Reply #21 posted 06/02/10 7:22am

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Lammastide said:

Ace said:

No, I don't. But don't take it personally - I don't like 99% of things. smile

This is intriguing. I'm interested to know what you don't like about Canada that, apparently, Toronto gets correct. hmmm

Its un-Torontoness. razz

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Ace said:

Lammastide said:

This is intriguing. I'm interested to know what you don't like about Canada that, apparently, Toronto gets correct. hmmm

Its un-Torontoness. razz

lol Of course.

But there are other connected, vibrant cities here. What do you think of Montréal, for example?

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Reply #23 posted 06/02/10 8:03am

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Lammastide said:

Ace said:

Its un-Torontoness. razz

lol Of course.

But there are other connected, vibrant cities here.

There are? razz

What do you think of Montréal, for example?

I've been there once; when I was 9-years-old. A lotta people talk funny there. razz

I've done way more traveling in the US than in Canada. Here are the other Canadian places I've been to:

Ontario:

Ottawa (long-ass time ago)

Chatham (LTA)

London (LTA)

Haliburton (LTA)

Orillia (LTA)

Algonquin Park (LTA)

Somewhere in cottage country (LTA)

Hamilton (for a few hours, LTA)

Other:

Winnipeg (LTA)

As you can see, I've explored the country extensively. razz

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Ace said:

Lammastide said:

There are? razz

What do you think of Montréal, for example?

I've been there once; when I was 9-years-old. A lotta people talk funny there. razz

I've done way more traveling in the US than in Canada. Here are the other Canadian places I've been to:

Ontario:

Ottawa (long-ass time ago)

Chatham (LTA)

London (LTA)

Haliburton (LTA)

Orillia (LTA)

Algonquin Park (LTA)

Somewhere in cottage country (LTA)

Hamilton (for a few hours, LTA)

Other:

Winnipeg (LTA)

As you can see, I've explored the country extensively. razz

Dude, we gotta get you outta the house! Vancouver? Montreal? Quebec City? The Canadian Atlantic coast? They're all really cool!!

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Reply #25 posted 06/02/10 11:21am

CarrieLee

I want to go to Vancouver soooooooooooooooo bad. It looks absolutely gorgeous there.

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Reply #26 posted 06/02/10 12:32pm

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Lammastide said:

Ace said:

Dude, we gotta get you outta the house! Vancouver? Montreal? Quebec City? The Canadian Atlantic coast? They're all really cool!!

No, thanks! biggrin They're all smaller than the T-dot and it would involve...you know...traveling. shake

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Reply #27 posted 06/02/10 12:35pm

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CarrieLee said:

I want to go to Vancouver soooooooooooooooo bad. It looks absolutely gorgeous there.

Yes, I hear that if you're into damn, dirty hippies and aggressive, junkie panhandlers, it's a sight for sore eyes! razz

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Ace said:

CarrieLee said:

I want to go to Vancouver soooooooooooooooo bad. It looks absolutely gorgeous there.

Yes, I hear that if you're into damn, dirty hippies and aggressive, junkie panhandlers, it's a sight for sore eyes! razz

Toronto is looked at in a similar light. lol

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Reply #29 posted 06/02/10 3:05pm

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JustErin said:

Ace said:

Yes, I hear that if you're into damn, dirty hippies and aggressive, junkie panhandlers, it's a sight for sore eyes! razz

Toronto is looked at in a similar light. lol

Uh, no.

There are about as many hippies here as in Manhattan. lol And from what I've read (and I'm told), Vancouver is a haven for strung-out bums. There are (of course) some panhandlers in Toronto - as there are in any major city - but there is no rampant junk problem among them.

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