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Reel

Fergie on Oprah

Fergie is sailing down that infamous stream without a paddle "thee - nile" (aka denial). She definitely sounds like a lush. Her speech appeared compromised either by anti-anxiety pills, or alcohol, or both. That lady is a sociopath, betcha she'll be trying to write and cash fake checks next. She says she was trying to get 40k for a friend and not for herself. Please? Appears that she may likely be millions of dollars in debt. Now she's talking about filing bankruptcy. Sheesh.

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Reply #1 posted 06/01/10 5:51pm

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Reply #2 posted 06/01/10 6:36pm

ernestsewell

Your thread is bait, first off.

Second, you obviously have no real idea, only a "reel" one, of what a "sociopath" is, or how it is defined.

How does one "sound like a lush"? I don't remember her slurring her words, or breaking eye contact with Oprah. She looked her right in the eye and said what she had to say. Your a liar when you say you think she's on anti-anxiety pills or an alcoholic. You have zero medical, or otherwise, evidence

Bankruptcy is a way of protection for people who really need it, but it's not to be taken lightly. In America, some bankruptcy stays on your credit record for 10 years. That's a long time. Life isn't short - it's long, drawn out, and slow. Bankruptcy isn't some gutter trash way out of paying debts. It's a way to get your head above water, and start gulping air instead of drowning to the point of dying. Surely you're grown enough to not wish death on someone, right?

I was anxious and curious to see this interview. I think it was bold, brave, and a little ballsy, of her to come forward only 8 or 9 days after the story broke to talk to a national audience by way of Oprah's show. She's no fool. She knows that Oprah was going to bring out the tape (although she probably hoped it wasn't going to be shown - who would hope to have to watch something like that after living it), and she knew Oprah would ask the hard questions, delve into details, and bring things up that she (Sarah) might not even consider.

Oprah did just that. Oprah has nothing to gain by pandering to Sarah's need to cover things up or lie about them. Oprah has built a career off having folks be real around her and tell her the truth about stuff. If someone lies to her, that's on the person, not Oprah. All that said, Sarah knew what she was doing by calling Oprah to talk to her, opposed to Ellen, or a network.

I don't believe Sarah has gotten a fair shake on things over the years. She's just a woman. People like act, because she's the Duchess of York, that she has some magical life or something. We saw that wasn't true when Charles coldly, and repeatedly, cheated on Diana, and the ensuing mess of a divorce. She's been made fun of for her weight, her hair, and everything else people choose to pick on, as if she's an inanimate object like a tea kettle, or a pillow sham.

I liked the interview. I don't believe any of this is over. But the girl had her say, she spoke openly, and honestly, as best she could. Does she have more to learn from it? Of course she does. I don't think any of us are at the point of saying, "I've learned everything I need to know to function in life." Oprah was right, and I've said this for years as well: When you don't learn the lesson, it keeps coming back until you do. If you fail the test, you're required to keep taking it until you pass it. It kind of harkens further back to the saying by Georges Santayana, who said "those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it".

Ultimately it's no one's place to judge this woman, who is a mother, and raising children on her own (albeit with an active father, hopefully). She didn't steal tax payer money, didn't pull a Ponzi scheme, didn't create some mail order scheme, etc. I wonder how quickly people would shut the fuck up when their own closet is opened and ransacked for the world to see?

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Reply #3 posted 06/01/10 6:54pm

Reel

ernestsewell said:

Your thread is bait, first off.

Second, you obviously have no real idea, only a "reel" one, of what a "sociopath" is, or how it is defined.

How does one "sound like a lush"? I don't remember her slurring her words, or breaking eye contact with Oprah. She looked her right in the eye and said what she had to say. Your a liar when you say you think she's on anti-anxiety pills or an alcoholic. You have zero medical, or otherwise, evidence

Bankruptcy is a way of protection for people who really need it, but it's not to be taken lightly. In America, some bankruptcy stays on your credit record for 10 years. That's a long time. Life isn't short - it's long, drawn out, and slow. Bankruptcy isn't some gutter trash way out of paying debts. It's a way to get your head above water, and start gulping air instead of drowning to the point of dying. Surely you're grown enough to not wish death on someone, right?

I was anxious and curious to see this interview. I think it was bold, brave, and a little ballsy, of her to come forward only 8 or 9 days after the story broke to talk to a national audience by way of Oprah's show. She's no fool. She knows that Oprah was going to bring out the tape (although she probably hoped it wasn't going to be shown - who would hope to have to watch something like that after living it), and she knew Oprah would ask the hard questions, delve into details, and bring things up that she (Sarah) might not even consider.

Oprah did just that. Oprah has nothing to gain by pandering to Sarah's need to cover things up or lie about them. Oprah has built a career off having folks be real around her and tell her the truth about stuff. If someone lies to her, that's on the person, not Oprah. All that said, Sarah knew what she was doing by calling Oprah to talk to her, opposed to Ellen, or a network.

I don't believe Sarah has gotten a fair shake on things over the years. She's just a woman. People like act, because she's the Duchess of York, that she has some magical life or something. We saw that wasn't true when Charles coldly, and repeatedly, cheated on Diana, and the ensuing mess of a divorce. She's been made fun of for her weight, her hair, and everything else people choose to pick on, as if she's an inanimate object like a tea kettle, or a pillow sham.

I liked the interview. I don't believe any of this is over. But the girl had her say, she spoke openly, and honestly, as best she could. Does she have more to learn from it? Of course she does. I don't think any of us are at the point of saying, "I've learned everything I need to know to function in life." Oprah was right, and I've said this for years as well: When you don't learn the lesson, it keeps coming back until you do. If you fail the test, you're required to keep taking it until you pass it. It kind of harkens further back to the saying by Georges Santayana, who said "those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it".

Ultimately it's no one's place to judge this woman, who is a mother, and raising children on her own (albeit with an active father, hopefully). She didn't steal tax payer money, didn't pull a Ponzi scheme, didn't create some mail order scheme, etc. I wonder how quickly people would shut the fuck up when their own closet is opened and ransacked for the world to see?

Sounds like you got a lot of emotion invested in Fergie and the whole "filing for bankruptcy" thingy. If I thought your post was worth it, I could really rip it to shreds. But really...I have better posts to read...and better posts to write. I have no problem that you feel the way you feel about the interview and about Fergie. But understand...that is YOUR PERCEPTION! Others may not feel the way that you do, or may have zoomed in on different things during the interview than you did. No need to be rude and disrespectful about it when you don't agree with the opinion of others. Save that anger for whoever it really should be aimed at.

Are you angry with Oprah because she said that she saw a spiritually and morally bankrupt person when she watched the video tape? Translation: Fergie is spiritually and morally banrupt, and this was manifested via her actions. Now......you go and look up the definition of a sociopath and use a little "deduction" when you do your research, and then sit with those thoughts.

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Reply #4 posted 06/01/10 7:07pm

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Im watching the interview now and she doesnt seem drunk, or drugged at all! She just seems nervous and embarrased as anyone would...

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Reply #5 posted 06/01/10 7:49pm

ernestsewell

Reel said:

Sounds like you got a lot of emotion invested in Fergie and the whole "filing for bankruptcy" thingy. If I thought your post was worth it, I could really rip it to shreds. But really...I have better posts to read...and better posts to write. I have no problem that you feel the way you feel about the interview and about Fergie. But understand...that is YOUR PERCEPTION! Others may not feel the way that you do, or may have zoomed in on different things during the interview than you did. No need to be rude and disrespectful about it when you don't agree with the opinion of others. Save that anger for whoever it really should be aimed at.

Are you angry with Oprah because she said that she saw a spiritually and morally bankrupt person when she watched the video tape? Translation: Fergie is spiritually and morally banrupt, and this was manifested via her actions. Now......you go and look up the definition of a sociopath and use a little "deduction" when you do your research, and then sit with those thoughts.

I don't have anything invested in Sarah Ferguson. You can say you have better posts to read, but the fact is you read ALL of my post, hence your response noting things throughout it.

The difference between the people who want to tear her down, and those who don't is this: The people who don't tear her down understand one thing: She's a human being. Just like the ones pointing the fingers - like yourself.

You're the one who started the anti-Fergie thread. I would argue that you have much more invested in all things anti-Sarah than anyone else has on the other side of the royal fence.

As far as the rest of your post - I read it. It's rubbish.

Tinaz is right: Sarah was simply nervous, anxious and embarrassed. Who wouldn't be? Oh I forgot....YOU, right? rolleyes

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Reply #6 posted 06/01/10 9:15pm

Reel

ernestsewell said:

Reel said:

Sounds like you got a lot of emotion invested in Fergie and the whole "filing for bankruptcy" thingy. If I thought your post was worth it, I could really rip it to shreds. But really...I have better posts to read...and better posts to write. I have no problem that you feel the way you feel about the interview and about Fergie. But understand...that is YOUR PERCEPTION! Others may not feel the way that you do, or may have zoomed in on different things during the interview than you did. No need to be rude and disrespectful about it when you don't agree with the opinion of others. Save that anger for whoever it really should be aimed at.

Are you angry with Oprah because she said that she saw a spiritually and morally bankrupt person when she watched the video tape? Translation: Fergie is spiritually and morally banrupt, and this was manifested via her actions. Now......you go and look up the definition of a sociopath and use a little "deduction" when you do your research, and then sit with those thoughts.

I don't have anything invested in Sarah Ferguson. You can say you have better posts to read, but the fact is you read ALL of my post, hence your response noting things throughout it.

The difference between the people who want to tear her down, and those who don't is this: The people who don't tear her down understand one thing: She's a human being. Just like the ones pointing the fingers - like yourself.

You're the one who started the anti-Fergie thread. I would argue that you have much more invested in all things anti-Sarah than anyone else has on the other side of the royal fence.

As far as the rest of your post - I read it. It's rubbish.

Tinaz is right: Sarah was simply nervous, anxious and embarrassed. Who wouldn't be? Oh I forgot....YOU, right? rolleyes

Waaah ....waaah....waaah.

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Reply #7 posted 06/01/10 9:17pm

Reel

Didn't say Fergie was drunk, I said that he speech appeared compromised. It did in my opinion. Just because she wasn't tipping out of the chair doesn't mean anything.

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Reply #8 posted 06/01/10 9:37pm

ernestsewell

Reel said:

Waaah ....waaah....waaah.

Ahh, thank you. I can see you're a 100% troll, and looking for the attention. Your type usually comes right out of the pit as soon as possible. That's a good thing for the rest of us, because we know immediately how to deal with you.

blahblah trolls

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Reply #9 posted 06/01/10 10:01pm

Reel

ernestsewell said:

Reel said:

Waaah ....waaah....waaah.

Ahh, thank you. I can see you're a 100% troll, and looking for the attention. Your type usually comes right out of the pit as soon as possible. That's a good thing for the rest of us, because we know immediately how to deal with you.

blahblah trolls

Wow....so I posted my perception of what I SAW as far as the Fergie and Oprah interview was concerned, and I get called all sorts of names, and get accused of all sorts of things. So instead of actually "engaging" you I type "waaah'...."waaah" and now I'm a troll huh? I think you need to get a grip on your emotions and re-direct that hate that you are spewing to it's source of origin wink Heck go write Oprah a hate letter, she's the one who said that Fergie appeared "spiritually and morally bankrupt". Geesh @ the babies online.

I will no longer respond to your childlike rants and name calling. I suggest that you just avoid my posts and threads if they upset you so much.

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Reply #10 posted 06/01/10 11:04pm

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[Edited 6/1/10 23:09pm]

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Pain is something to carry, like a radio...You should stand up for your right to feel your pain- Jim Morrison
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Reply #11 posted 06/02/10 12:39am

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nevermind

yeahthat

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Reply #12 posted 06/02/10 3:40am

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Reel said:

Didn't say Fergie was drunk, I said that he speech appeared compromised. It did in my opinion. Just because she wasn't tipping out of the chair doesn't mean anything.

"She definitely sounds like a lush. Her speech appeared compromised either by anti-anxiety pills, or alcohol, or both"

These are your words... not mine....

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Reply #13 posted 06/02/10 3:47am

zaza

popcorn
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Reply #14 posted 06/02/10 4:00am

tinaz

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zaza said:

popcorn

Move over... Its to early for popcorn here, I'll have ...coffee and donut

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Reply #15 posted 06/02/10 4:14am

zaza

tinaz said:



zaza said:


popcorn





Move over... Its to early for popcorn here, I'll have ...coffee and donut



Do I know you? confuse
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Reply #16 posted 06/02/10 4:42am

Ottensen

Reel said:

ernestsewell said:

Your thread is bait, first off.

Second, you obviously have no real idea, only a "reel" one, of what a "sociopath" is, or how it is defined.

How does one "sound like a lush"? I don't remember her slurring her words, or breaking eye contact with Oprah. She looked her right in the eye and said what she had to say. Your a liar when you say you think she's on anti-anxiety pills or an alcoholic. You have zero medical, or otherwise, evidence

Bankruptcy is a way of protection for people who really need it, but it's not to be taken lightly. In America, some bankruptcy stays on your credit record for 10 years. That's a long time. Life isn't short - it's long, drawn out, and slow. Bankruptcy isn't some gutter trash way out of paying debts. It's a way to get your head above water, and start gulping air instead of drowning to the point of dying. Surely you're grown enough to not wish death on someone, right?

I was anxious and curious to see this interview. I think it was bold, brave, and a little ballsy, of her to come forward only 8 or 9 days after the story broke to talk to a national audience by way of Oprah's show. She's no fool. She knows that Oprah was going to bring out the tape (although she probably hoped it wasn't going to be shown - who would hope to have to watch something like that after living it), and she knew Oprah would ask the hard questions, delve into details, and bring things up that she (Sarah) might not even consider.

Oprah did just that. Oprah has nothing to gain by pandering to Sarah's need to cover things up or lie about them. Oprah has built a career off having folks be real around her and tell her the truth about stuff. If someone lies to her, that's on the person, not Oprah. All that said, Sarah knew what she was doing by calling Oprah to talk to her, opposed to Ellen, or a network.

I don't believe Sarah has gotten a fair shake on things over the years. She's just a woman. People like act, because she's the Duchess of York, that she has some magical life or something. We saw that wasn't true when Charles coldly, and repeatedly, cheated on Diana, and the ensuing mess of a divorce. She's been made fun of for her weight, her hair, and everything else people choose to pick on, as if she's an inanimate object like a tea kettle, or a pillow sham.

I liked the interview. I don't believe any of this is over. But the girl had her say, she spoke openly, and honestly, as best she could. Does she have more to learn from it? Of course she does. I don't think any of us are at the point of saying, "I've learned everything I need to know to function in life." Oprah was right, and I've said this for years as well: When you don't learn the lesson, it keeps coming back until you do. If you fail the test, you're required to keep taking it until you pass it. It kind of harkens further back to the saying by Georges Santayana, who said "those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it".

Ultimately it's no one's place to judge this woman, who is a mother, and raising children on her own (albeit with an active father, hopefully). She didn't steal tax payer money, didn't pull a Ponzi scheme, didn't create some mail order scheme, etc. I wonder how quickly people would shut the fuck up when their own closet is opened and ransacked for the world to see?

Sounds like you got a lot of emotion invested in Fergie and the whole "filing for bankruptcy" thingy. If I thought your post was worth it, I could really rip it to shreds. But really...I have better posts to read...and better posts to write. I have no problem that you feel the way you feel about the interview and about Fergie. But understand...that is YOUR PERCEPTION! Others may not feel the way that you do, or may have zoomed in on different things during the interview than you did. No need to be rude and disrespectful about it when you don't agree with the opinion of others. Save that anger for whoever it really should be aimed at.

Are you angry with Oprah because she said that she saw a spiritually and morally bankrupt person when she watched the video tape? Translation: Fergie is spiritually and morally banrupt, and this was manifested via her actions. Now......you go and look up the definition of a sociopath and use a little "deduction" when you do your research, and then sit with those thoughts.

hmm

You need to quit while you're behind,...seriously.

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Reply #17 posted 06/02/10 5:08am

Reel

Ottensen said:

Reel said:

Sounds like you got a lot of emotion invested in Fergie and the whole "filing for bankruptcy" thingy. If I thought your post was worth it, I could really rip it to shreds. But really...I have better posts to read...and better posts to write. I have no problem that you feel the way you feel about the interview and about Fergie. But understand...that is YOUR PERCEPTION! Others may not feel the way that you do, or may have zoomed in on different things during the interview than you did. No need to be rude and disrespectful about it when you don't agree with the opinion of others. Save that anger for whoever it really should be aimed at.

Are you angry with Oprah because she said that she saw a spiritually and morally bankrupt person when she watched the video tape? Translation: Fergie is spiritually and morally banrupt, and this was manifested via her actions. Now......you go and look up the definition of a sociopath and use a little "deduction" when you do your research, and then sit with those thoughts.

hmm

You need to quit while you're behind,...seriously.

Quit what? My critique on a television show? Ha!

Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that?
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Reply #18 posted 06/02/10 5:10am

Reel

tinaz said:

Reel said:

Didn't say Fergie was drunk, I said that he speech appeared compromised. It did in my opinion. Just because she wasn't tipping out of the chair doesn't mean anything.

"She definitely sounds like a lush. Her speech appeared compromised either by anti-anxiety pills, or alcohol, or both"

These are your words... not mine....

Hummm, now where again is my quote about Fergie being "drunk"? And she does SOUND LIKE a lush, and she did APPEAR compromised.

Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that?
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Reply #19 posted 06/02/10 5:16am

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zaza said:

tinaz said:

Move over... Its to early for popcorn here, I'll have ...coffee and donut

Do I know you? confuse

OMG... Arent you that guy?

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Reply #20 posted 06/02/10 5:17am

tinaz

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Reel said:

tinaz said:

"She definitely sounds like a lush. Her speech appeared compromised either by anti-anxiety pills, or alcohol, or both"

These are your words... not mine....

Hummm, now where again is my quote about Fergie being "drunk"? And she does SOUND LIKE a lush, and she did APPEAR compromised.

Now how the hell are you gonna SOUND like a lush without being drunk..confuse

rolleyes

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Reply #21 posted 06/02/10 5:18am

zaza

Reel said:



tinaz said:




Reel said:


Didn't say Fergie was drunk, I said that he speech appeared compromised. It did in my opinion. Just because she wasn't tipping out of the chair doesn't mean anything.






"She definitely sounds like a lush. Her speech appeared compromised either by anti-anxiety pills, or alcohol, or both"





These are your words... not mine....




Hummm, now where again is my quote about Fergie being "drunk"? And she does SOUND LIKE a lush, and she did APPEAR compromised.


So at first you claimed you didn't say she was drunk, then we all can read your quote about Fergie on anti-anxiety pills or alcohol, or both..now I think I understand.
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Reply #22 posted 06/02/10 5:19am

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zaza said:

Reel said:

Hummm, now where again is my quote about Fergie being "drunk"? And she does SOUND LIKE a lush, and she did APPEAR compromised.

So at first you claimed you didn't say she was drunk, then we all can read your quote about Fergie on anti-anxiety pills or alcohol, or both..now I think I understand.

wacky

~~~~~ Oh that voice...incredible....there should be a musical instrument called George Michael... ~~~~~
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Reply #23 posted 06/02/10 5:20am

zaza

tinaz said:



zaza said:


tinaz said:






Move over... Its to early for popcorn here, I'll have ...coffee and donut



Do I know you? confuse



OMG... Arent you that guy?


I think I met you in some club.. hmmm But I can't remember..
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Reply #24 posted 06/02/10 5:21am

zaza

tinaz said:



Reel said:




tinaz said:






"She definitely sounds like a lush. Her speech appeared compromised either by anti-anxiety pills, or alcohol, or both"





These are your words... not mine....




Hummm, now where again is my quote about Fergie being "drunk"? And she does SOUND LIKE a lush, and she did APPEAR compromised.





Now how the hell are you gonna SOUND like a lush without being drunk..confuse



rolleyes


Good point! lol
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Reply #25 posted 06/02/10 5:23am

tinaz

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zaza said:

tinaz said:

OMG... Arent you that guy?

I think I met you in some club.. hmmm But I can't remember..

Me either... we must have been LUSH... wink

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Reply #26 posted 06/02/10 5:26am

zaza

tinaz said:



zaza said:


tinaz said:




OMG... Arent you that guy?



I think I met you in some club.. hmmm But I can't remember..



Me either... we must have been LUSH... wink


No, I just had anti-anxiety pills and plenty of vodka.

By the way, I still have your undies wink
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Reply #27 posted 06/02/10 5:29am

tinaz

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zaza said:

tinaz said:

Me either... we must have been LUSH... wink

No, I just had anti-anxiety pills and plenty of vodka. By the way, I still have your undies wink

DAMMIT! Those were my favorite pair!!! You better not be stretching them out...batting eyes

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Reply #28 posted 06/02/10 5:30am

Reel

tinaz said:

zaza said:

Reel said: So at first you claimed you didn't say she was drunk, then we all can read your quote about Fergie on anti-anxiety pills or alcohol, or both..now I think I understand.

wacky

www.dictionary.com defines lush used as a verb as the following.

Verb (used without proper object): To drink liquor.

So, before you go getting your undies all in a bunch, you should maybe google the definition of the word to just see if perhaps there are multiple definitions before you automatically decide to "default" to your own apparantly limited understanding of the word's broad usage.

Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that?
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Reply #29 posted 06/02/10 5:31am

zaza

tinaz said:



zaza said:


tinaz said:




Me either... we must have been LUSH... wink



No, I just had anti-anxiety pills and plenty of vodka. By the way, I still have your undies wink




DAMMIT! Those were my favorite pair!!! You better not be stretching them out...batting eyes




:oops:

Smells like teen spirit batting eyes
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