SCNDLS said:

JustErin said:

She sent an email to his co-workers?

She's just much of a pathetic idiot as he is.

Just as much? So sending an e-mail in a moment of anger equals cheating on your spouse of 9 years for 5 years in YOUR mind? Mmmmmkay

Totally.

Both pathetic.

Mmmmmmmkay?

ernestsewell said:

chocolate1 said:

ernestsewell said:

Who the fuck are these people? Doesn't sound like any celebrity I've ever heard of.

Sooo... because you don't know who she is, she couldn't be famous?

Absoutely correct. She's not famous to me.

Meh. Not famous. Blah.

JustErin said:

SCNDLS said:

JustErin said:

She sent an email to his co-workers?

She's just much of a pathetic idiot as he is.

Just as much? So sending an e-mail in a moment of anger equals cheating on your spouse of 9 years for 5 years in YOUR mind? Mmmmmkay

Totally.

Both pathetic.

Mmmmmmmkay?

Figures

SCNDLS said:

JustErin said:

SCNDLS said:

JustErin said:

She sent an email to his co-workers?

She's just much of a pathetic idiot as he is.

Just as much? So sending an e-mail in a moment of anger equals cheating on your spouse of 9 years for 5 years in YOUR mind? Mmmmmkay

Totally.

Both pathetic.

Mmmmmmmkay?

Figures

I thought the same about your response.

Honestly, I don't think pathetic is necessarily the word I'd use.

Maybe she shouldn't have "put her dirty laundry out there"- esp. as a celebrity- but I don't think it was pathetic. She was hurt.

I have a friend going thru a divorce now. He's a pastor & his wife stood up and announced their personal business to the congregation during church.

I guess, Erin, you just haven't been hurt badly enough...

Or you're cooler than the rest of us.

Now if you want me to name what I DO think is pathetic....

chocolate1 said:

Honestly, I don't think pathetic is necessarily the word I'd use.

Maybe she shouldn't have "put her dirty laundry out there"- esp. as a celebrity- but I don't think it was pathetic. She was hurt.

I have a friend going thru a divorce now. He's a pastor & his wife stood up and announced their personal business to the congregation during church.

I guess, Erin, you just haven't been hurt badly enough...

Or you're cooler than the rest of us.

Now if you want me to name what I DO think is pathetic....

Of course I have been very badly hurt and I admit that when I was much younger I might have responded similar to this. But to be that immature and inapppropriate at the age I am now is in my opinion no better than being a cheating asshole and just comes off as embarrassing and yes, imo pathetic.

JustErin said:

chocolate1 said:

Honestly, I don't think pathetic is necessarily the word I'd use.

Maybe she shouldn't have "put her dirty laundry out there"- esp. as a celebrity- but I don't think it was pathetic. She was hurt.

I have a friend going thru a divorce now. He's a pastor & his wife stood up and announced their personal business to the congregation during church.

I guess, Erin, you just haven't been hurt badly enough...

Or you're cooler than the rest of us.

Now if you want me to name what I DO think is pathetic....

Of course I have been very badly hurt and I admit that when I was much younger I might have responded similar to this. But to be that immature and inapppropriate at the age I am now is in my opinion no better than being a cheating asshole and just comes off as embarrassing and yes, imo pathetic.

We all react differently.

I don't think I'd react like that, either, tho.

In fact, I just got out of a relationship where there were too many of us. I didn't do that- but he wasn't my husband and I didn't have kids with him, either.

It's just that I noticed you're really quick to throw judgmental labels on things/people... weird, stupid, pathetic, etc.

I dont think its fair for anyone to say what they would do until they are in the same situation...

My gut reaction would be to hurt this person and embarass them as much as they had just done to me... call it immature if you want, but how is this any different from what tiger woods wife did, or any other celeb who use the media for their own personal gain...

I dont think maturity becomes relevant when the person you trusted most with everything fucks you over for another piece of ass...

DesireeNevermind said:

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Those kids are lucky they came out cute cuz this dude is

Sorry but there's no cuteness to be found in those kids. They look just like their ugly ass daddy. What was Garcelle thinking of when she married and reproduced with fugly? I guess the sex must've been good or she wanted to have cute mixed babies.

chocolate1 said:

JustErin said:

chocolate1 said:

Honestly, I don't think pathetic is necessarily the word I'd use.

Maybe she shouldn't have "put her dirty laundry out there"- esp. as a celebrity- but I don't think it was pathetic. She was hurt.

I have a friend going thru a divorce now. He's a pastor & his wife stood up and announced their personal business to the congregation during church.

I guess, Erin, you just haven't been hurt badly enough...

Or you're cooler than the rest of us.

Now if you want me to name what I DO think is pathetic....

Of course I have been very badly hurt and I admit that when I was much younger I might have responded similar to this. But to be that immature and inapppropriate at the age I am now is in my opinion no better than being a cheating asshole and just comes off as embarrassing and yes, imo pathetic.

We all react differently.

I don't think I'd react like that, either, tho.

In fact, I just got out of a relationship where there were too many of us. I didn't do that- but he wasn't my husband and I didn't have kids with him, either.

It's just that I noticed you're really quick to throw judgmental labels on things/people... weird, stupid, pathetic, etc.

For sure. That's totally me. I am judgmental and I think that's totally normal and healthy.

And, really...I don't think I am any more judgmental than a lot of people on here, in this thread even. It seems people only really cry foul if one persons judgment is not the same are theirs.

But hey, that's cool. It's just opinions.

Garcelle can certainly do better. She should just move on and cut her ties.

Unfortunately, there are 2 kids that are involved. Sometimes you have to do

your homework before you get involved with trash.

tinaz said:

I dont think its fair for anyone to say what they would do until they are in the same situation...

My gut reaction would be to hurt this person and embarass them as much as they had just done to me... call it immature if you want, but how is this any different from what tiger woods wife did, or any other celeb who use the media for their own personal gain...

I dont think maturity becomes relevant when the person you trusted most with everything fucks you over for another piece of ass...

Bingo!

TD3 said:

tinaz said:

I dont think its fair for anyone to say what they would do until they are in the same situation...

My gut reaction would be to hurt this person and embarass them as much as they had just done to me... call it immature if you want, but how is this any different from what tiger woods wife did, or any other celeb who use the media for their own personal gain...

I dont think maturity becomes relevant when the person you trusted most with everything fucks you over for another piece of ass...

Bingo!

And what if they actually have been?

Did y'all read the responses to that article? Damn, mfers are cold....

"self-hating black woman....sista who swirls.....bed-wench....sell-out bitch...."

Folks sure talk a lot of smack from behind their keyboard, that's for sure.

uPtoWnNY said:

Did y'all read the responses to that article? Damn, mfers are cold....

"self-hating black woman....sista who swirls.....bed-wench....sell-out bitch...."

Folks sure talk a lot of smack from behind their keyboard, that's for sure.

You must've seen this coming. I sure did

I don't think there is perfect symetry in the collective history/memory or power differential that informs comments like these in whites vs. blacks in the U.S., but here I do dare say if white folk threw this sort of crap around with respect to, say, Tiger Woods' wife, folk -- particularly black folk -- would be outraged.

Folk need to check themselves and shut the hell up. They don't know Garcelle or any of her motivations.

JustErin said:

TD3 said:

tinaz said:

I dont think its fair for anyone to say what they would do until they are in the same situation...

My gut reaction would be to hurt this person and embarass them as much as they had just done to me... call it immature if you want, but how is this any different from what tiger woods wife did, or any other celeb who use the media for their own personal gain...

I dont think maturity becomes relevant when the person you trusted most with everything fucks you over for another piece of ass...

Bingo!

And what if they actually have been?

That's a horse of a different color isn't it? Even so, I've found most people who've walked in those shoes offer their opinions (if asked) in a more measured tones. Maybe measured is the wrong word... reflective probably is better word.

That's just been my experience.....

uPtoWnNY said:

Did y'all read the responses to that article? Damn, mfers are cold....

"self-hating black woman....sista who swirls.....bed-wench....sell-out bitch...."

Folks sure talk a lot of smack from behind their keyboard, that's for sure.

Opinions and assholes....... Wow, could it be as "simple" as a marriage gone bad, uh? The circumstances behind the marriage hitting the rocks seem par for the course, like since humans have been on earth. Without knowing the names or race of the couple in question, the reaction would've been different, no?

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uPtoWnNY said:

Did y'all read the responses to that article? Damn, mfers are cold....

"self-hating black woman....sista who swirls.....bed-wench....sell-out bitch...."

Folks sure talk a lot of smack from behind their keyboard, that's for sure.

Hell that's the modus operandi around the org at times. That's how race baiters generally get their

rocks off by talking shit on a forum rather than to say it to a person's face they're trying to offend.

JustErin said:

chocolate1 said:

We all react differently.

I don't think I'd react like that, either, tho.

In fact, I just got out of a relationship where there were too many of us. I didn't do that- but he wasn't my husband and I didn't have kids with him, either.

It's just that I noticed you're really quick to throw judgmental labels on things/people... weird, stupid, pathetic, etc.

For sure. That's totally me. I am judgmental and I think that's totally normal and healthy.

And, really...I don't think I am any more judgmental than a lot of people on here, in this thread even. It seems people only really cry foul if one persons judgment is not the same are theirs.

But hey, that's cool. It's just opinions.

But why would anyone point out if someone is agreeing with him/her?

ernestsewell said:

Who the fuck are these people? Doesn't sound like any celebrity I've ever heard of.

Garcelle's more famous within the black community to be sure (sort of one of our "go to" glamour girls from the 90's era, always played the comic romantic female co- or guest star, consistent cover fixture for Essence, Ebony, etc.). In the mainstream, she started her career as a model, that face you would see for cosmetics or Saks/Neimans stuff, but then later she became an actress most notably in the 90's, for a sitcoms like Hangin' With Mr, Cooper, The Jamie Foxx Show, then later for stuff like NYPD Blue and cable stuff like Curb Your Enthusiasm. She's not the white hot spring chicken of working black actresses anymore, but she still garners a lot of respect in the tv realm of things (her film work is mostly forgettable although there is a body of it, of sorts).

SCNDLS said:

chocolate1 said:

Sooo... because you don't know who she is, she couldn't be famous?

Exactly! I've been knowing who she is since she debuted on Miami Vice over 20 years ago as a Haitian refugee who was raped.

Girrrl! Remember that episode!!!!!????

...and the thing about Garcelle is that even if you couldn't remember her name, she really was one of the black faces that was out there for fashion back then, she was one of "the" girls that you saw in every ad, every catalog.

...seeing her now, she still looks damn good after all these years.

Ottensen said:

SCNDLS said:

Exactly! I've been knowing who she is since she debuted on Miami Vice over 20 years ago as a Haitian refugee who was raped.

Girrrl! Remember that episode!!!!!????

...and the thing about Garcelle is that even if you couldn't remember her name, she really was one of the black faces that was out there for fashion back then, she was one of "the" girls that you saw in every ad, every catalog.

...seeing her now, she still looks damn good after all these years.

She was on Miami Vice some 20 years ago and she looks this good!

I hate her..

chocolate1 said:

JustErin said:

For sure. That's totally me. I am judgmental and I think that's totally normal and healthy.

And, really...I don't think I am any more judgmental than a lot of people on here, in this thread even. It seems people only really cry foul if one persons judgment is not the same are theirs.

But hey, that's cool. It's just opinions.

But why would anyone point out if someone is agreeing with him/her?

Well, exactly. Seems everyone thinks their opinion and judgment is the rightone, and everyone else's is wrong.

JustErin said:

chocolate1 said:

But why would anyone point out if someone is agreeing with him/her?

Well, exactly. Seems everyone thinks their opinion and judgment is the rightone, and everyone else's is wrong.

I agree 100%!

JustErin said:

SCNDLS said:

Just as much? So sending an e-mail in a moment of anger equals cheating on your spouse of 9 years for 5 years in YOUR mind? Mmmmmkay

Totally.

Both pathetic.

Mmmmmmmkay?

But pathetic in which context? That in which arouses compassion and sympathy, or your scornful contempt? Somehow I think you mean the latter, and frankly it's easy to judge others when you haven't walked in their shoes, Erin.

Or maybe it's simply a scenario you just can't relate to... Still, I say that just because you're a hard ass (and I mean that lovingly) who wouldn't be affected the same way by that level of betrayal in a committed relationship does not mean that this woman's anguish should be disregarded so simply as her being pathetic. Was it tacky and childish to respond in that way to something so crushing? Okay, yeah. It offends our general sense of social graces to be sure. But at the onset, in the heat of devastation... in the fallout resulting from a crisis like this, a person will not always think rationally and clearly.

I've been there, so I know what it's like. I know what it's like to feel like someone kicked the wind out of your chest and your heart sits so heavy inside that you can't breathe properly for days, you live from moment to moment literally gasping for air. You cry your eyes out until they are bloodshot and your brain feels swollen- only to get get up and have a fucking mini- stroke in reaction to the hell you're going through from that betrayal... a fucking stroke.

Some people react to marriage betrayal differently than others. I have to say that I don't know of anyone who has actually been through this scenario that didn't have a primitive, non-graceful response on learning that their marriage covenant was broken. I know there are some couples that can eventually get to a point where they can be civil and work together to make the parting less...well, just less WHATEVER ...but that takes time to get to that point, and I can guarantee that humans, being not only creatures of ego, and intellect and rationale, but creatures of emotion and id- generally will not react in a Dr.Spock fashion to having their sense of emotional trust, safety, and life partnership blown to bits....if they were emotionally invested in the first place, that is.

Ottensen said:

JustErin said:

Totally.

Both pathetic.

Mmmmmmmkay?

But pathetic in which context? That in which arouses compassion and sympathy, or your scornful contempt? Somehow I think you mean the latter, and frankly it's easy to judge others when you haven't walked in their shoes, Erin.

Or maybe it's simply a scenario you just can't relate to... Still, I say that just because you're a hard ass (and I mean that lovingly) who wouldn't be affected the same way by that level of betrayal in a committed relationship does not mean that this woman's anguish should be disregarded so simply as her being pathetic. Was it tacky and childish to respond in that way to something so crushing? Okay, yeah. It offends our general sense of social graces to be sure. But at the onset, in the heat of devastation... in the fallout resulting from a crisis like this, a person will not always think rationally and clearly.

I've been there, so I know what it's like. I know what it's like to feel like someone kicked the wind out of your chest and your heart sits so heavy inside that you can't breathe properly for days, you live from moment to moment literally gasping for air. You cry your eyes out until they are bloodshot and your brain feels swollen- only to get get up and have a fucking mini- stroke in reaction to the hell you're going through from that betrayal... a fucking stroke.

Some people react to marriage betrayal differently than others. I have to say that I don't know of anyone who has actually been through this scenario that didn't have a primitive, non-graceful response on learning that their marriage covenant was broken. I know there are some couples that can eventually get to a point where they can be civil and work together to make the parting less...well, just less WHATEVER ...but that takes time to get to that point, and I can guarantee that humans, being not only creatures of ego, and intellect and rationale, but creatures of emotion and id- generally will not react in a Dr.Spock fashion to having their sense of emotional trust, safety, and life partnership blown to bits....if they were emotionally invested in the first place, that is.

That old saying, weddings and funerals bring out the worst in people maybe marriage should be added to that list.

Ottensen said:

JustErin said:

Totally.

Both pathetic.

Mmmmmmmkay?

But pathetic in which context? That in which arouses compassion and sympathy, or your scornful contempt? Somehow I think you mean the latter, and frankly it's easy to judge others when you haven't walked in their shoes, Erin.

Or maybe it's simply a scenario you just can't relate to... Still, I say that just because you're a hard ass (and I mean that lovingly) who wouldn't be affected the same way by that level of betrayal in a committed relationship does not mean that this woman's anguish should be disregarded so simply as her being pathetic. Was it tacky and childish to respond in that way to something so crushing? Okay, yeah. It offends our general sense of social graces to be sure. But at the onset, in the heat of devastation... in the fallout resulting from a crisis like this, a person will not always think rationally and clearly.

I've been there, so I know what it's like. I know what it's like to feel like someone kicked the wind out of your chest and your heart sits so heavy inside that you can't breathe properly for days, you live from moment to moment literally gasping for air. You cry your eyes out until they are bloodshot and your brain feels swollen- only to get get up and have a fucking mini- stroke in reaction to the hell you're going through from that betrayal... a fucking stroke.

Some people react to marriage betrayal differently than others. I have to say that I don't know of anyone who has actually been through this scenario that didn't have a primitive, non-graceful response on learning that their marriage covenant was broken. I know there are some couples that can eventually get to a point where they can be civil and work together to make the parting less...well, just less WHATEVER ...but that takes time to get to that point, and I can guarantee that humans, being not only creatures of ego, and intellect and rationale, but creatures of emotion and id- generally will not react in a Dr.Spock fashion to having their sense of emotional trust, safety, and life partnership blown to bits....if they were emotionally invested in the first place, that is.

Very nicely put...

Ottensen said:

JustErin said:

Totally.

Both pathetic.

Mmmmmmmkay?

But pathetic in which context? That in which arouses compassion and sympathy, or your scornful contempt? Somehow I think you mean the latter, and frankly it's easy to judge others when you haven't walked in their shoes, Erin.

Or maybe it's simply a scenario you just can't relate to... Still, I say that just because you're a hard ass (and I mean that lovingly) who wouldn't be affected the same way by that level of betrayal in a committed relationship does not mean that this woman's anguish should be disregarded so simply as her being pathetic. Was it tacky and childish to respond in that way to something so crushing? Okay, yeah. It offends our general sense of social graces to be sure. But at the onset, in the heat of devastation... in the fallout resulting from a crisis like this, a person will not always think rationally and clearly.

I've been there, so I know what it's like. I know what it's like to feel like someone kicked the wind out of your chest and your heart sits so heavy inside that you can't breathe properly for days, you live from moment to moment literally gasping for air. You cry your eyes out until they are bloodshot and your brain feels swollen- only to get get up and have a fucking mini- stroke in reaction to the hell you're going through from that betrayal... a fucking stroke.

Some people react to marriage betrayal differently than others. I have to say that I don't know of anyone who has actually been through this scenario that didn't have a primitive, non-graceful response on learning that their marriage covenant was broken. I know there are some couples that can eventually get to a point where they can be civil and work together to make the parting less...well, just less WHATEVER ...but that takes time to get to that point, and I can guarantee that humans, being not only creatures of ego, and intellect and rationale, but creatures of emotion and id- generally will not react in a Dr.Spock fashion to having their sense of emotional trust, safety, and life partnership blown to bits....if they were emotionally invested in the first place, that is.

Why is there an assumption that I haven't been through something very similar simply because I think her response was pathetic?

Au contraire, mon frere.

It's because I have been through something indeed the same (except I wasn't married - but was in a committed relationship for 10 years) that I think her childish, vindictive response was pathetic.

tinaz said:

Ottensen said:

Girrrl! Remember that episode!!!!!????

...and the thing about Garcelle is that even if you couldn't remember her name, she really was one of the black faces that was out there for fashion back then, she was one of "the" girls that you saw in every ad, every catalog.

...seeing her now, she still looks damn good after all these years.

She was on Miami Vice some 20 years ago and she looks this good!

I hate her..

Okay, why was I using the excuse "it's Memorial Day weekend in my home country!!!!!!!!!!!!!" to chow down as many bbq ribs and as much cake as I could this week starting on Friday night??

I'm looking at Garcelle, and just thinking, "oh f**k!%"&"!? ..."

So this bitch here in Europe needs to start drinking water and running....with the quickness. because all that fat and sugar is playing havoc with my body like you wouldn't believe. My forehead broke out and I feel bloated as HELL !!!

Damn you Garcelle, of toned body and flawless skin. I hereby repent from my gluttony and shall run my bloated ass through the park...starting tomorrow.