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PrintableTheVoid said: Lammastide said: Believe me, neither do I for the most part. But at least there's room for that rationalization. Bullfighting doesn't even pretend to be anything but useless, gruesome killing. I think if there's any hope of people en masse gradually changing attitudes about the sanctity of animals' lives, the naked egregiousness of something like bullfighting might serve as the eye opener. If there's no sympathy to be found there, there's definitely none to be found in killing wherefrom people get food, leathers, furs, oils and any amount of other crap they assume they need. I understand. Americans don't just rationalize. We spin. We have a death penalty. Spain doesn't. It's not like they can't bite back at us. I'm not apologizing for bull fighting, again. I just tend to listen to Americans get high horsey and roll my eyes. I hear ya. The tough part here, though, is that -- again -- even in capital punishment, defenders detect some utility... even some nobility or duty: "We've gotta get the scum off the streets," they argue. I agree that thinking (and it is very much spin) is flawed to hell... but I'm curious to know what comparable utility or nobility fans of bullfighting can concoct above morbid amusement. ...And not that I think this sort of cultural critique can be broken down neatly to national terms (because there are certainly many Spanish folk who find bullfighting awful; and there are certainly many Americans who find hunting and capital punishment awful), but it would be really interesting to find something almost perfectly analogical to bullfighting -- an entirely useless bloodsport that has become no less than a cultural trademark -- in the U.S., so that we could really call out the hypocrisy... but I honestly can't think of anything off the top of my head.  [Edited 5/23/10 5:16am] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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TheVoid said: OK, I think this should definitely be banned.
But I find the people's attitudes about how the matador deserved this a bit extreme. They are raised to think this is ok much like we're raised to think our giant torture prisons for livestock is ok, because eating meat is what we do. A chicken, pig, or cow meets it's demise over a much more protracted, miserable, existence and not much less violently before appearing on yours or your pet's dinner plates/bowls. And they club seals yearly in Canada and whale hunting is still a sport in some European countries (and Japan). I'm not apologizing for Bull fighting---like I said, it should be banned. It's barbaric. I just think we tend throw stones from glass houses. I think those should be banned as well! Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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If I had enough money, I'd bomb every single bullring in the world, whilst they each have a capacity crowd.
Anybody whom thinks this is acceptable, severely needs to not exist. | |
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GirlBrother said: If I had enough money, I'd bomb every single bullring in the world, whilst they each have a capacity crowd.
Anybody whom thinks this is acceptable, severely needs to not exist.  You'd kill all the kids there who are just hanging out with their parents? Even the folk who are visiting for the first time and getting sick at the spectacle? Man they'd be dead before they even got to leave their seats and ask for their money back. | |
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TheVoid said: OK, I think this should definitely be banned.
But I find the people's attitudes about how the matador deserved this a bit extreme. They are raised to think this is ok much like we're raised to think our giant torture prisons for livestock is ok, because eating meat is what we do. A chicken, pig, or cow meets it's demise over a much more protracted, miserable, existence and not much less violently before appearing on yours or your pet's dinner plates/bowls. And they club seals yearly in Canada and whale hunting is still a sport in some European countries (and Japan). I'm not apologizing for Bull fighting---like I said, it should be banned. It's barbaric. I just think we tend throw stones from glass houses. Danny, I'm going to hire you to just say things so I don't have to.  | |
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TheVoid said: Lammastide said: I imagine the difference in people's minds is bullfighting serves only a leisure function, while all the other animal killing you mentioned is attached to some utility (essentially unnecessary, I may agree, but a utility nonetheless). I think you raise an interesting point, though, about cultural lenses that we all should consider. So does hunting and fishing--I don't buy that "but we eat our kill" nonsense. Those seal hunts provide food and supplies for northern communities. Grocery stores are, oddly enough, a rare find in Nunavut. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Sucks to be this guy, but surely he knew the risks of this line of work long before it even happened. I have a hard time having sympathy for bullfighters when they're injured, and not just because it's a risky job. It's cruelty for the fun of it. [Edited 5/23/10 23:20pm] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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DesireeNevermind said: GirlBrother said: If I had enough money, I'd bomb every single bullring in the world, whilst they each have a capacity crowd.
Anybody whom thinks this is acceptable, severely needs to not exist. You'd kill all the kids there who are just hanging out with their parents? Even the folk who are visiting for the first time and getting sick at the spectacle? Man they'd be dead before they even got to leave their seats and ask for their money back.You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. | |
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TheVoid said: OK, I think this should definitely be banned.
But I find the people's attitudes about how the matador deserved this a bit extreme. They are raised to think this is ok much like we're raised to think our giant torture prisons for livestock is ok, because eating meat is what we do. A chicken, pig, or cow meets it's demise over a much more protracted, miserable, existence and not much less violently before appearing on yours or your pet's dinner plates/bowls. And they club seals yearly in Canada and whale hunting is still a sport in some European countries (and Japan). I'm not apologizing for Bull fighting---like I said, it should be banned. It's barbaric. I just think we tend throw stones from glass houses. Naw, most people see these things as just as bad or worse, just try not to think about it when enjoying some delicious Pollo Loco, KFC or In N'Out burgers. | |
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Spanish bullfighter Julio Aparicio out of intensive care after brutal goring in throat
at 09:04 on May 24, 2010, EDT. By The Associated Press MADRID - Spanish bullfighter Julio Aparicio, who was gored in the throat by a bull last week, has left intensive care in a Madrid hospital. The October 12th Hospital says in a statement Monday that Aparicio's condition is "evolving favourably" and that his prognosis is "less serious." Aparicio suffered the grotesque goring Friday evening during a bullfight at Madrid's Las Ventas bullring. The matador lost his balance and fell to the ground and in an instant the bull drove his right horn through Aparicio's throat and out his mouth. The beast withdrew the horn rapidly and Aparicio managed to run to the side of the ring for help. Aparicio was initially treated at the ring's emergency medical unit, then transferred to the October 12th Hospital. ©The Canadian Press, 2010 
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BRAVO 2 the Bull!
I've always hated Bull fighting with a passion... and not just because I'm a Taurus. 
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once upon a time they used to do this with just people in the ring... | |
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TheVoid said: johnart said: You know I love you but I have to disagree with thinking that the opinion that the matador "had it coming" attitude is extreme. If you willingly step into a ring/arena with an animal with the intention of bringing it down or killing it for the amusement of hundreds of cheering adoring fans...you get what you had coming to you when the intended victim turns the tables on your ass. Sorry. It's not that I feel sorry for him. I don't. It's the tone of people's posts--wishing this on another person. It would be different if he ran a dog fighting ring in the states or a cock fighting ring in the states---it's not socially acceptable here. You have to on the fringes to partake in that sport. But in Spain, this guy grew up raised with a different mentality--I don't agree with it. But it's not like he's a criminal. He's a product of his atmosphere--Certainly I don't want him doing that. It's hard for me to explain where I'm coming from. But I just think people are being terribly judgmental. I find the entire thing more horrific and sad than anything else. For me there was really no judgement --- I just saw Karma sipn right round on him with the exact energy he put out almost a perfect example of returned Karma energy 
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Mach said: you get what you give
pretty much | |
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 @ the matador. That's whatcha get for fuckin with the bull!!"Bring friends, bring your children and bring foot spray 'cause it's gon' be funky." ~ Prince
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Damn, he is lucky he became disengaged from the horn. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I guess he is luckier than the bull.
Why doesn't anyone seem to care about what happens to these bulls? It is purely inhumane to say the least. [Edited 5/24/10 12:28pm] | |
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The point is: no matter how barbaric this blood sport seems, many people strongly think (specially in Spain and Mexico) that this kind of bulls, the spanish bull (an extremely agressive kind of bull, the kind of animal that just kills for the heck of it) would disappear if not for this "sport"; I mean, probably these animals would not adapt to any ecosystem, and they're basically impossible to tame...
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JoeTyler said: The point is: no matter how barbaric this blood sport seems, many people strongly think (specially in Spain and Mexico) that this kind of bulls, the spanish bull (an extremely agressive kind of bull, the kind of animal that just kills for the heck of it) would disappear if not for this "sport"; I mean, probably these animals would not adapt to any ecosystem, and they're basically impossible to tame...
Your thoughts? Don't they live somewhere in the wild? Why do people need to be in contact with them unless they truly run free in the cities? 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: JoeTyler said: The point is: no matter how barbaric this blood sport seems, many people strongly think (specially in Spain and Mexico) that this kind of bulls, the spanish bull (an extremely agressive kind of bull, the kind of animal that just kills for the heck of it) would disappear if not for this "sport"; I mean, probably these animals would not adapt to any ecosystem, and they're basically impossible to tame...
Your thoughts? Don't they live somewhere in the wild? Why do people need to be in contact with them unless they truly run free in the cities? I'm not an expert  , but I'm pretty sure that this animals don't live in the wild , just as the american bulls of the rodeos don't live in the wild...
Bulls are true BADASSES, I mean, they would kill a child at first sight, just for the heck of it. They're probably the most irrationally agressive ANIMAL of all time after some dinosaur species... | |
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bullfight is a disgrace
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From what I have read, they breed and raise certain bulls for fighting.
Bulls are not the only animals killed during a bull fight. Horses are also injured/killed. Usually six bulls are killed (slowly tortured) during a bull fighting event. http://www.1911encycloped...l-fighting [Edited 5/24/10 13:31pm] | |
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MrsMdiver said: From what I have read, they breed and raise certain bulls for fighting.
Bulls are not the only animals killed during a bull fight. Horses are also injured/killed. Usually six bulls are killed (slowly tortured) during a bull fighting event. http://www.1911encycloped...l-fighting [Edited 5/24/10 13:31pm] Thanks for that link. I had no idea horses were also used: ...the picadores, mounted upon blindfolded horses in wretched condition, have taken their places against the barrier, the door of the torn is opened, and the bull, which has been goaded into fury by the affixing to his shoulder of an iron pin with streamers of the colours of his breeder attached, enters the ring. Then begins the suerte de picar, or division of lancing. The bull at once attacks the mounted picadores, ripping up and wounding the horses, often to the point of complete disembowelment. The number of horses killed in this manner is one of the chief features of the fight, a bull's prowess being reckoned accordingly. About 6000 horses are killed every year in Spain. | |
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but yet if the matador was named...oh, lets say Tiger....and the bull was named...hmm, Elin....folk would be rooting for the matador
you get what you give. I've never been gored by a bull. Why? Because I don't go into an arena and tease them and poke on them to the point of enragement. I've never been sued for all my money. Why? Because I never committed to one person and crept around with 15 others. Damn is it sooo hard to utilize a little common sense and decency in life, no matter your culture or environment. People still can't tell right from wrong??? FOHWTS! 
I am, however, glad the matador survived.... | |
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magnificentSynthesizer said: Thread winnar! | |
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BklynBabe said: I've never been gored by a bull. Why? Because I don't go into an arena and tease them and poke on them to the point of enragement. excellent pointMy Legacy
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magnificentSynthesizer said:  My Legacy
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