and before someone makes this a porno...

I really, really am over church. Really. What makes people think they can treat others like shit one day, and still go into worship, thanking God for who THEY are?

bluesbaby said:

Mean people, especially mean and hypocritical people, SUCK ASS!

PunkMistress said:

thank you yes they do.....

bluesbaby said:

If you feel like sharing, I'm interested in what led you from being a minister (I think?) to being church-free.

PunkMistress said:

I am still ministry minded..but the people in the church are hateful...hurtful. I know that isn't with every church...but I just left a toxic one, and I am not subjecting myself or my family to that again. So, if I do some sort of ministry, it won't be in a church. I have the serious sads...some stuff just happened, obviously, and I just have to get it out.

bluesbaby said:

I wish you strength of heart and determination as you get through this.

bluesbaby said:

Yes that is with every church.
U'll leave one church and go to another and eventually u will see the same thing.

I grew up in the church and I know for a fact that the church is the place where u will find the most hypocritical people but u cant let them ruin it for u. Get what u want to get from the message and go on ur way.

sorry u had to deal with this

PunkMistress said:

That's no way to talk about our glorious leader!

PunkMistress said:

thanks..I know you have done some growing yourself lately.. letting go of stuff sucks. And I just want to jump in their faces and scream.....if they were raising a kid with extra needs, trying to handle a family, and trying to keep a church family all cared for.....wtf? None of them could do it. Yeah, I am feeling high and mighty....but I don't like my integrity challenged, and it pisses me off.....

HELLO SOAPBOX! LOL!

That's not nice. I'm mean.

DanceWme said:

I didn't want to be the one to make that generalization, but I will let you

bluesbaby said:

TheVoid said:

I know you are mean....its those who revel in their kindness, and then reveal their true colors.....those people suck.

bluesbaby said:

Is that code for devout Christians?

bluesbaby said:

Ohhhh, I know that feeling!

We just have to remember that we're doing what we need to do and let that be enough. It's so, so hard, when you are challenged, to not beat your chest and let them all know! But even when you do, they'll just judge you anyway. So fuck them.

Keep your head up.

bluesbaby said:

I grew up in the church too - and one half of my family is deeply religious. They are also the most prejudiced people I know and they are the only people to have acted in a prejudiced way toward me.

I know in one way that makes me very lucky, but it's also very arse about face.

PunkMistress said:

there is a saying about the longer you are in the ministry, the more you will dislike people.....and I needed to be reminded of that, punk, that they will just judge me anyway...sigh.

vivid said:

I have strong faith, and I love what the church COULD be.....but the endurance to get it there is another story...

TheVoid said:

those who have to brag how great they or their church is...

sorry for your experience.

do you know what i'm finding ?

the more religious people become, the less compassion they have. i, too had a run -in with a person like that. you would think that since they're a "christian", they would have more peace and happiness in their lives but they don't. the church has become a joke and i want nothing to do with ANY of them. good luck in whatever you decide to do.

bluesbaby said:

Mach said:

mon

bluesbaby said:

Two things I learned from growin up in the church.

Ghandi was right. Jesus is awesome. It's the Christians who are so unlike him.

And if you find your church is perfect, leave, because your imperfect ass is fuckin it up.

So when you see the idiots in question, feel free to let them know I said that. lol

RipTheJacker said:

thank you

bluesbaby said:

Yeah it sux mon ...

bluesbaby said:

I know the feeling, but all churches aren't the same. Some, but very very few have sincere people there who are positive and uplifting. Most churches have people who are judgemental and hypocritical. Just leave that one and find another one.

The guest minister at my church said something very interesting:

"Religious people are too busy trying not to go to hell, but the spiritual people are the ones who have already been to hell, and are living to tell their testimony to someone else to help them".

I thought that was a powerful message. I find that most religious people love to hide their past like they are so perfect and ready to bewilder and shame the next person for their faults. I left the church my family attends because there was too much "religion" and not enough "spirituality". So I found a church that had just what I was looking for and I'm very happy that I made that move. And believe it or not, instead of supporting me on my decision, my family was upset with me for "abandoning" their church (no matter how awful it was) but at the end of the day, you have to do what's best for you and not care about what other people think.
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Smite them!

(just wanted to use smite again...)

BklynBabe said:

oh I love that word...so rare an opportunity to use it well

bluesbaby said:

sometimes people call me rude but you know if only we were nude their would be no black and white and maybe no rules
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bluesbaby said:

That's why I left my church recently (and because I'm extra lazy on Sundays )

thing is, the ones who were hurtful are my relatives