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PrintableMIGUELGOMEZ said: xpertluva said: Those are some profound questions that man has been asking for ages. I think about that stuff all the time myself. And yeah, a headache usually ensues.  Physics and all that talk about time and space and the possibility of time travel also boggles my mind but I can't help but contemplate it. It's truly fascinating.
As far as this ancient alien stuff goes, another very interesting facet is that map that depicts the earth from space and shows what the artic looks like beneath the ice caps. Yet, it dates back to the 1500's. I can't remember the name of the map though. Does anybody know what I'm talking about? Yes, I saw that on, I believe, the Ancient Aliens film I have. (different than the series but same people are in it.) They said that there were no sophisticated surveying tools at the time. How could they have known what that land mass looked like? It's called Piri Reis map. [Edited 5/7/10 7:21am] Actually it's a map depicting the ant-artic and you're sooooo right. The ancients would laugh at our super astrologers today as what the now know was first grade shit back in the days of antiquity. | |
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dseann said: MIGUELGOMEZ said: Yes, I saw that on, I believe, the Ancient Aliens film I have. (different than the series but same people are in it.) They said that there were no sophisticated surveying tools at the time. How could they have known what that land mass looked like? It's called Piri Reis map. [Edited 5/7/10 7:21am] Actually it's a map depicting the ant-artic and you're sooooo right. The ancients would laugh at our super astrologers today as what the now know was first grade shit back in the days of antiquity. The Piri Reis does not depict the coastline of Antarctica. Here is a very good examination of that map: http://www.world-mysterie...dutch1.htm It's a very impressive piece of work but it's not the work of aliens. | |
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RodeoSchro said: dseann said: Actually it's a map depicting the ant-artic and you're sooooo right. The ancients would laugh at our super astrologers today as what the now know was first grade shit back in the days of antiquity. The Piri Reis does not depict the coastline of Antarctica. Here is a very good examination of that map: http://www.world-mysterie...dutch1.htm It's a very impressive piece of work but it's not the work of aliens. On the west you have the American continent, to the east you have West Africa and to the south you have Ant-Artica. I knew what you were talking about before clicking on the link. What I have seen on History, NatGeo and The Science Channel has a more of the Ant-Artic included. | |
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KoolEaze said: Graycap23 said: Yes...great stuff. I Love this type of stuff. Soooo....have you ever heard about those Egyptian hieroglyphics in the middle of the Australian outback? I saw a book at the library today and it was about weird things on planet Earth that are very difficult to explain...like Mexican statues of dudes with space helmets, the aforementioned hieroglyphics etc.etc. Same thing in Arizona. | |
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dseann said: RodeoSchro said: The Piri Reis does not depict the coastline of Antarctica. Here is a very good examination of that map: http://www.world-mysterie...dutch1.htm It's a very impressive piece of work but it's not the work of aliens. On the west you have the American continent, to the east you have West Africa and to the south you have Ant-Artica. I knew what you were talking about before clicking on the link. What I have seen on History, NatGeo and The Science Channel has a more of the Ant-Artic included. I'd be interested to see those shows, but I thought that guy did a pretty thorough job on his website. | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: xpertluva said: Those are some profound questions that man has been asking for ages. I think about that stuff all the time myself. And yeah, a headache usually ensues. Physics and all that talk about time and space and the possibility of time travel also boggles my mind but I can't help but contemplate it. It's truly fascinating.
As far as this ancient alien stuff goes, another very interesting facet is that map that depicts the earth from space and shows what the artic looks like beneath the ice caps. Yet, it dates back to the 1500's. I can't remember the name of the map though. Does anybody know what I'm talking about? Yes, I saw that on, I believe, the Ancient Aliens film I have. (different than the series but same people are in it.) They said that there were no sophisticated surveying tools at the time. How could they have known what that land mass looked like? It's called Piri Reis map. [Edited 5/7/10 7:21am] Piri Reis was a Turkish captain. " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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Graycap23 said: KoolEaze said: Soooo....have you ever heard about those Egyptian hieroglyphics in the middle of the Australian outback? I saw a book at the library today and it was about weird things on planet Earth that are very difficult to explain...like Mexican statues of dudes with space helmets, the aforementioned hieroglyphics etc.etc. Same thing in Arizona. Arizona, eh? I´m sure it was you!
Seriously,are there really Egyptian looking hieroglyphics in AZ? And how genuine are they? Maybe someone just carved something into the rocks there. " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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KoolEaze said: Graycap23 said: Same thing in Arizona. Arizona, eh? I´m sure it was you!
Seriously,are there really Egyptian looking hieroglyphics in AZ? And how genuine are they? Maybe someone just carved something into the rocks there. I'll see if I can find the link 2 this. | |
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KoolEaze said: Graycap23 said: Same thing in Arizona. Arizona, eh? I´m sure it was you!
Seriously,are there really Egyptian looking hieroglyphics in AZ? And how genuine are they? Maybe someone just carved something into the rocks there. http://www.spiritofmaat.c...cegypt.htm http://www.xpeditionsmaga...anyon.html [Edited 5/7/10 10:00am] | |
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BULLSHIT 
Some people still can't get used to the idea that, even 6000 years ago, there were already very intelligent people who were the masterminds of the ancient civilizations (early architects, early mathematicians, early philosophers, etc.). If the egyptians were aliens I guess the impressively intelligent greeks were the sons of God themselves  ...
get over it people: there's only God, the empty universe and our thoughts...  | |
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RodeoSchro said: dseann said: Actually it's a map depicting the ant-artic and you're sooooo right. The ancients would laugh at our super astrologers today as what the now know was first grade shit back in the days of antiquity. The Piri Reis does not depict the coastline of Antarctica. Here is a very good examination of that map: http://www.world-mysterie...dutch1.htm It's a very impressive piece of work but it's not the work of aliens. That website makes some good points. Still, for people of that time to have such detailed and accurate knowledge of the Earth's geography, they had to be far more advanced than we once thought. But it is quite a leap of faith to automatically conclude that aliens were involved. | |
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xpertluva said: RodeoSchro said: The Piri Reis does not depict the coastline of Antarctica. Here is a very good examination of that map: http://www.world-mysterie...dutch1.htm It's a very impressive piece of work but it's not the work of aliens. That website makes some good points. Still, for people of that time to have such detailed and accurate knowledge of the Earth's geography, they had to be far more advanced than we once thought. But it is quite a leap of faith to automatically conclude that aliens were involved. Did you see the episode of Ancient Aliens with the tribe in Africa who for thousands of years said that Gods came from some star which they described in detail which couldn't be seen with the naked eye or even with the Hoble Telescope until 1976? Where did that knowledge come from? The Egyptians said the same thing about Their Gods, who came down from the stars. The same place. | |
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dseann said: xpertluva said: That website makes some good points. Still, for people of that time to have such detailed and accurate knowledge of the Earth's geography, they had to be far more advanced than we once thought. But it is quite a leap of faith to automatically conclude that aliens were involved. Did you see the episode of Ancient Aliens with the tribe in Africa who for thousands of years said that Gods came from some star which they described in detail which couldn't be seen with the naked eye or even with the Hoble Telescope until 1976? Where did that knowledge come from? The Egyptians said the same thing about Their Gods, who came down from the stars. The same place. The Dogon tribe in Mali. They knew about Sirius before the NASA. " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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KoolEaze said: dseann said: Did you see the episode of Ancient Aliens with the tribe in Africa who for thousands of years said that Gods came from some star which they described in detail which couldn't be seen with the naked eye or even with the Hoble Telescope until 1976? Where did that knowledge come from? The Egyptians said the same thing about Their Gods, who came down from the stars. The same place. The Dogon tribe in Mali. They knew about Sirius before the NASA. Makes you wonder doesn't it? | |
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dseann said: xpertluva said: That website makes some good points. Still, for people of that time to have such detailed and accurate knowledge of the Earth's geography, they had to be far more advanced than we once thought. But it is quite a leap of faith to automatically conclude that aliens were involved. Did you see the episode of Ancient Aliens with the tribe in Africa who for thousands of years said that Gods came from some star which they described in detail which couldn't be seen with the naked eye or even with the Hoble Telescope until 1976? Where did that knowledge come from? The Egyptians said the same thing about Their Gods, who came down from the stars. The same place. I did see that. You just jogged my memory. Yeah, it's trippy to consider. Was that the same show where they showed a tribe in modern times that had built a religion around soldiers dropping food rations from planes during wartime? I also found it peculiar how most of the ancient religions tell almost the same story of creation, despite the fact that their civilizations were separated by thousands of miles. Also, civilization seemed to start around the globe around the same time for everyone. | |
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xpertluva said: dseann said: Did you see the episode of Ancient Aliens with the tribe in Africa who for thousands of years said that Gods came from some star which they described in detail which couldn't be seen with the naked eye or even with the Hoble Telescope until 1976? Where did that knowledge come from? The Egyptians said the same thing about Their Gods, who came down from the stars. The same place. I did see that. You just jogged my memory. Yeah, it's trippy to consider. Was that the same show where they showed a tribe in modern times that had built a religion around soldiers dropping food rations from planes during wartime? I also found it peculiar how most of the ancient religions tell almost the same story of creation, despite the fact that their civilizations were separated by thousands of miles. Also, civilization seemed to start around the globe around the same time for everyone. Puts a new spin on Satan being cast down into a firey pit from the heavens. Could have been a UFO in a dogfight that got shot down. The fiery pit could have been where it crashed on earth. | |
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KoolEaze said: dseann said: Did you see the episode of Ancient Aliens with the tribe in Africa who for thousands of years said that Gods came from some star which they described in detail which couldn't be seen with the naked eye or even with the Hoble Telescope until 1976? Where did that knowledge come from? The Egyptians said the same thing about Their Gods, who came down from the stars. The same place. The Dogon tribe in Mali. They knew about Sirius before the NASA. Yes they did, I'd love 2 hear ANYONE explin that one. | |
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Graycap23 said: KoolEaze said: The Dogon tribe in Mali. They knew about Sirius before the NASA. Yes they did, I'd love 2 hear ANYONE explin that one. I'm still waiting. No pun intended!  | |
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dseann said: Graycap23 said: Yes they did, I'd love 2 hear ANYONE explin that one. I'm still waiting. No pun intended! OK, here you go: In 1976 Robert K. G. Temple wrote a book arguing that the Dogon's system reveals precise knowledge of cosmological facts only known by the development of modern astronomy, since they appear to know, from Griaule and Dieterlen's account, that Sirius was part of a binary star system, whose second star, Sirius B, a white dwarf, was however completely invisible to the human eye,(just as Digitaria is the smallest grain known to the Dogon), and that it took 50 years to complete its orbit. The existence of Sirius B had only been inferred to exist through mathematical calculations undertaken by Friedrich Bessel in 1844. Temple then argued that the Dogon's information, if traced back to ancient Egyptian sources and myth, indicated an extraterrestrial transmission of knowledge of the stars.[24] Neither Griaule nor Dieterlen had ever made such bold claims about a putative esoteric source for the Dogon's knowledge.
More recently, doubts have been raised about the validity of Griaule and Dieterlein's work.[25][26] In a 1991 article in Current Anthropology anthropologist Walter van Beek concluded after his research among the Dogon that, "Though they do speak about sigu tolo [which is what Griaule claimed the Dogon called Sirius] they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule" According to van Beek, the Dogon didn't know about Sirius until the French anthropologist Marcel Griaule told them about it. Also, Griaule NEVER made any claim that the Dogon had learned of Sirius from aliens. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...gon_people | |
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More detailed analysis on the Dogon/Sirius question. Very interesting:
Recently, a Belgian anthropologist, Walter van Beek, who has spent 11 years among the Dogon, pointed out that Griaule's data is unique: "Is Sirius a double star? The ethnographic facts are quite straightforward. The Dogon of course, know Sirius as a star [it is after all the brightest star in the sky]... Knowledge of the stars is not important either in daily life or in ritual. The position of the sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. No Dogon outside of the circle of Griaule's informants had ever heard of sigu tolo or po tolo... Most important, no one, even within the circle of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a double star [or according to Renard Pále,(6) even a triple one, with B and C orbiting A]. Consequently, the purported knowledge of the mass of Sirius B or the orbiting time was absent (van Beek 1991). Van Beek points out that Griaule's data was developed in long intense sessions with one primary informant, Ambara. In this process, Griaule probably reinterpreted statements from his informant in the light of his own knowledge about Sirius and its heavy companion, which had been much in the news at the time he began his field work. In turn, the Dogon, because Griaule was extremely respected and liked and because the Dogon culture places enormous importance on consensus and in avoiding contradictions, would have accepted his analysis as if it were theirs (van Beek 1991: 152-155). As an example of the process, van Beek points out a Dogon tale which explains the differences between white people and the Dogon, but which, in fact, is taken from the Bible. "Thus the story of the drunken Noah [Genesis 9: 21-27] has found its way into the stories of the se Dogon, who emphatically denied that this was a 'white' story." Traditionalists and Christians unanimously declared it to be Dogon: it belonged to the tem. In many other instances the process was discernible: foreign elements were adopted and in a single generation became "traditional." http://www.ramtops.co.uk/dogon.html | |
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RodeoSchro said:[quote] dseann said: OK, here you go: In 1976 Robert K. G. Temple wrote a book arguing that the Dogon's system reveals precise knowledge of cosmological facts only known by the development of modern astronomy, since they appear to know, from Griaule and Dieterlen's account, that Sirius was part of a binary star system, whose second star, Sirius B, a white dwarf, was however completely invisible to the human eye,(just as Digitaria is the smallest grain known to the Dogon), and that it took 50 years to complete its orbit. The existence of Sirius B had only been inferred to exist through mathematical calculations undertaken by Friedrich Bessel in 1844. Temple then argued that the Dogon's information, if traced back to ancient Egyptian sources and myth, indicated an extraterrestrial transmission of knowledge of the stars.[24] Neither Griaule nor Dieterlen had ever made such bold claims about a putative esoteric source for the Dogon's knowledge.
More recently, doubts have been raised about the validity of Griaule and Dieterlein's work.[25][26] In a 1991 article in Current Anthropology anthropologist Walter van Beek concluded after his research among the Dogon that, "Though they do speak about sigu tolo [which is what Griaule claimed the Dogon called Sirius] they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule" According to van Beek, the Dogon didn't know about Sirius until the French anthropologist Marcel Griaule told them about it. Also, Griaule NEVER made any claim that the Dogon had learned of Sirius from aliens. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...gon_people And does that explain the Egyptians claims of the origins of Horace? | |
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dseann said: RodeoSchro said: According to van Beek, the Dogon didn't know about Sirius until the French anthropologist Marcel Griaule told them about it. Also, Griaule NEVER made any claim that the Dogon had learned of Sirius from aliens. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...gon_people And does that explain the Egyptians claims of the origins of Horace? Nope. | |
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According 2 Ashra Kwesi the Dogon has known about Sirus B years before they ever heard of Griaule.
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dseann said: RodeoSchro said: According to van Beek, the Dogon didn't know about Sirius until the French anthropologist Marcel Griaule told them about it. Also, Griaule NEVER made any claim that the Dogon had learned of Sirius from aliens. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...gon_people And does that explain the Egyptians claims of the origins of Horace? LOL, you didn't ask me to explain that, you asked me to explain how the Dogons could have known about Sirius. | |
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RodeoSchro said: dseann said: And does that explain the Egyptians claims of the origins of Horace? LOL, you didn't ask me to explain that, you asked me to explain how the Dogons could have known about Sirius. Both questions are connected and are in the same post. | |
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People who don't understand what is really going on, check out this conference held in Washington this week.
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I'm watching the series. (I downloaded it) and OMG. It's tripping me out. MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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dseann said: XxAxX said: ah.  i've read that the aliens are actually living at the earth's north and south poles - ala the hollow earth theory..Hollow earth? How about the hollow moon? It was brought here from another galaxy to stabalize life on our planet.  The man in the moon is smiling
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XxAxX said: dseann said: Hollow earth? How about the hollow moon? It was brought here from another galaxy to stabalize life on our planet. The man in the moon is smiling
4 he knows what I'm dreaming of . . . This was a theory on the show. The craters on the moon have are bottomless, or they have yet to find a bottom for any of them. They said when Neil and the other astronauts landed on the sucker, something piece of equipment crash landed and the moon rang like a bell for hours. It's hollow. They said it could have been brought here by "aliens" to stabalize our oceans tides to sustain life. [Edited 5/14/10 7:04am] | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: I'm watching the series. (I downloaded it) and OMG. It's tripping me out.
Amazing isn't it? | |
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