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Reply #30 posted 05/05/10 2:25pm

Genesia

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dseann said:

Genesia said:

Yeah. People who smoke pot are real good drivers. wacky


I drive stoned all the time. I won't ever consider driving drunk. I'd rather take ten hours to drive two blocks than plough through two stop signs killing either myself or someone else.
Weed also eliminates road rage. When someone cuts you off, you just assume that person's been drinking and say "fuck it". You'd never chase the car down and cause a scene (especially if the joints still lit between your fingers). stoned


You do realize that driving too slowly can just as dangerous as driving too fast - right? Differences in speed cause a lot of accidents. A driver who's going the limit comes upon someone driving too slowly and - ka-bam!

But how nice that the stoned person who caused the accident won't be pissed about it. rolleyes
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Reply #31 posted 05/05/10 2:55pm

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Genesia said:

dseann said:



I drive stoned all the time. I won't ever consider driving drunk. I'd rather take ten hours to drive two blocks than plough through two stop signs killing either myself or someone else.
Weed also eliminates road rage. When someone cuts you off, you just assume that person's been drinking and say "fuck it". You'd never chase the car down and cause a scene (especially if the joints still lit between your fingers). stoned


You do realize that driving too slowly can just as dangerous as driving too fast - right? Differences in speed cause a lot of accidents. A driver who's going the limit comes upon someone driving too slowly and - ka-bam!

But how nice that the stoned person who caused the accident won't be pissed about it. rolleyes


I agree that going too slow is JUST as bad...but I've never even known a person who's smoked up then driven to be a slow driver.

However, a person who is driving the speed limit that rear ends someone who is going under it is really the one to blame - not the slow driver. If you rear end someone (who doesn't suddenly cut you off), you're driving too close and you're the one that is being a careless.
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Reply #32 posted 05/05/10 3:00pm

Genesia

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JustErin said:

Genesia said:



You do realize that driving too slowly can just as dangerous as driving too fast - right? Differences in speed cause a lot of accidents. A driver who's going the limit comes upon someone driving too slowly and - ka-bam!

But how nice that the stoned person who caused the accident won't be pissed about it. rolleyes


I agree that going too slow is JUST as bad...but I've never even known a person who's smoked up then driven to be a slow driver.

However, a person who is driving the speed limit that rear ends someone who is going under it is really the one to blame - not the slow driver. If you rear end someone (who doesn't suddenly cut you off), you're driving too close and you're the one that is being a careless.


Not if the person going slowly is under the minimum speed for the road in question. A person who takes "10 hours to drive two blocks" is definitely under the minimum.

I'm not talking about tailgating. I'm talking about people who are driving well below the limit - possibly at night, when it's harder to judge distance.
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Reply #33 posted 05/05/10 3:24pm

JustErin

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Genesia said:

JustErin said:



I agree that going too slow is JUST as bad...but I've never even known a person who's smoked up then driven to be a slow driver.

However, a person who is driving the speed limit that rear ends someone who is going under it is really the one to blame - not the slow driver. If you rear end someone (who doesn't suddenly cut you off), you're driving too close and you're the one that is being a careless.


Not if the person going slowly is under the minimum speed for the road in question. A person who takes "10 hours to drive two blocks" is definitely under the minimum.

I'm not talking about tailgating. I'm talking about people who are driving well below the limit - possibly at night, when it's harder to judge distance.


It doesn't matter. Coming up to someone who is driving painfully slow shouldn't be a problem unless you're either driving too fast or not paying attention as you approach - even at night.

Hey, I'm not trying to defend slow-ass drivers, I think they are major hazards. I'm just saying a rear end accident is almost 99% of the time the fault of the driver in the back.
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Reply #34 posted 05/05/10 5:38pm

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"Smoke Some Weed"

[Ice Cube]
Ice Cube motherfucker
West coast motherfucker

George Bush, George Clinton, Bill Clinton
Chris Farley, Chris Rock, Bob Marley
Rick James, knew how to throw a party
"Smoke some weed!"
Snoop Dogg, all the way to Cheech & Chong
Cypress Hill, Robert Downey hit the bong
Ricky Williams, fuck how Miami feeling
"Smoke some weed!"

[Chorus: Ice Cube]
This is West coast nigga thinking
California quicksand got a nigga sinking
I can give a fuck what you niggaz drinking
"Smoke some weed!"
This is West coast nigga thinking
California quicksand got a nigga sinking
I can give a fuck what you bitches drinking
"Smoke some weed!"

[Ice Cube]
If you a baller, nigga I'm a hall of famer
Lion tamer, with two fo'-fifth flamers
Understand, that yo' life's in danger
Didn't your momma, tell you not to talk to strangers
Lil' nigga, I'm the Hillside Strangler
Have a banger, calling for the Lone Ranger
Most rappers, they wanna fuck sangers
I'm a nigga, that wanna bone T'Penga
G4, pull it up out the hanger
A lil' something, to fuel you niggaz anger
The swine, I'm your face rearranger
In a mansion cause Jesus born in a manger
Motherfucker, belong on Jerry Spranger
I'm a gangsta, up in your CD changer
I'll gank ya, for 20 bucks then I'll thank ya
Police, still get the middle fanger

[Chorus]

[Ice Cube]
Lil' niggaz, don't try this at home
Momma in the bathroom leave her ass alone
Cause she probably taking chronic straight to the dome
Go play you lil' fucker, stop being grown
Dave Chappelle, 50 million and a throne
With a big Zulu bitch, nigga getting blown
Watch your tone, if your wear Coppertone
Go back to Africa used to be a theme song
I'm in the zone, do anybody got a zone
I ain't your poppa, but daddy is a rolling stone
Youse a clone, who don't know the shit you on
Unless it's on, a motherfucking ringtone
I'm in a room with two bottles of Patron
You need a loan, to fuck with the Family Stone
Nigga go on, tell 'em Ice Cube is home
Gorilla niggaz, here come King Kong

[Chorus]

[Ice Cube]
Ice Cube motherfucker
West coast motherfucker
"Smoke some weed!"



[Thanks to dcboy2113@yahoo.com for correcting these lyrics]
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Reply #35 posted 05/05/10 5:41pm

SUPRMAN

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Genesia said:

Poiple said:



I actually was going to comment, but decided not to and accidentally hit the "Post response" button anyway (I was about to fall asleep at the keyboard). But, I tend to agree with you about the two not being comparable. I've ridden with someone who had just smoked (as I had myself) and I believe it makes you much more alert (almost to the point of paranoia) and much more deliberate, whereas alcohol obviously slows your responses.


And, of course, being on drugs, this would be a perfectly objective observation.

But you have to have something to compare it to . . . . you can't contrast the with and without otherwise.
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Reply #36 posted 05/05/10 5:41pm

SUPRMAN

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Poiple said:

thejason said:




nobody who has only been smoking weed has ever gotten a speeding ticket....biggrin


No doubt about that. I could have sworn we were doing like 80 at the time, but I looked at the speedometer and it read 45!

Ideal in heavy traffic.
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Reply #37 posted 05/05/10 5:48pm

RodeoSchro

JustErin said:

RodeoSchro said:



Are you saying people that are high can drive just as well as those who aren't?

Not sure I can buy that.


I said that they are not comparable to those that drive drunk. And from my experience, they drive just fine.

I've seen some sober people drive worse....waaaaay worse.


I cannot buy an argument that someone impaired on ANYTHING can drive "just fine".
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Reply #38 posted 05/05/10 6:09pm

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Driving stoned made me more aware of how dangerous driving is. I don't smoke anymore, but I still go the speed limit and don't ever drive aggressively.

Not that I recommend driving stoned, especially passing joints around with friends (that's just partying while driving), but I don't think driving stoned is nearly as dangerous as driving drunk.

And it totally depends on the driver. Some sober drivers are worse than some drunk drivers.
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Reply #39 posted 05/05/10 6:14pm

NDRU

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RodeoSchro said:

JustErin said:



I said that they are not comparable to those that drive drunk. And from my experience, they drive just fine.

I've seen some sober people drive worse....waaaaay worse.


I cannot buy an argument that someone impaired on ANYTHING can drive "just fine".


true, though sober drivers can be "impaired" with their obliviousness and/or aggression. This can be as dangerous as being drunk or on drugs.

The increased awareness that pot gave me of the dangers of driving made me slow down & drive more carefully. To me it was a trade off, as pot was probably also impaired me in some ways. But having not had an accident in 20 years [knock on wood], something is working.
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Reply #40 posted 05/05/10 6:15pm

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5.4.4 Effects of cannabis on on-road driving

It is often remarked that the activity most often cited as dangerous
when performed under the influence of recreational drugs - motor
vehicle driving - is one of the least studied. Given the concern about
the safety of the experimental subject in drug and driving
experimentation, it is understandable that such studies have been
relatively uncommon. A review by Nichols (1971) found that there were
no well controlled observations of the effects of cannabis on driving
performance. This situation changed with research commissioned by the
Canadian Commission of Inquiry into the Non-Medical use of Drugs. A
comprehensive report published by Hansteen et al (1976) showed that a
moderate dose of alcohol (approximately 0.07 BAC) or THC (5.9mg)
impaired driving on a traffic-free course (as measured by the number
of times the lane-defining cones ("witch's hats") were struck).
Driving speed was decreased after cannabis but not after alcohol use.

Smiley et al (1975), using a different type of course, found that
reaction time to signal stimuli was increased with the combination of
cannabis and alcohol. Klonoff (1974) studied driving on a closed
course, and in city traffic, after a placebo and two doses of smoked
cannabis (4.9mg and 8.4mg THC). Closed course driving was scored by
the number of cones hit on a precisely laid out path. Driving in
traffic was scored by observation of eleven categories of driving
skill, similar to those used in some driving tests. Driving on the
closed course was impaired by both doses, as indicated by a higher
proportion of subjects whose performance declined after cannabis use.
Driving in traffic, however, while showing a trend toward poorer
performance, was not significantly affected, and the effects of
cannabis were much more variable. Sutton (1983) also found that
cannabis had little effect on actual driving performance. Peck et al
(1986) recorded performance on a range of driving tasks on a closed
circuit on four occasions after the administration of placebo, up to
19mg of smoked THC, 0.84g/kg of alcohol, and the combination of both
drugs. On most individual and derived composite measures, cannabis
impaired performance. This study is important in that there was a high
degree of concordance between objective performance measures (e.g.
number of traffic markers hit during manoeuvres), subjective estimates
of performance by the drivers, and ratings by police observers.
However, the conclusion reached was that the effects of cannabis on
driving performance were somewhat less than those of alcohol. Robbe
and O'Hanlon (1993), have reported the methodology, but not the
detailed results, of a study of driving in traffic. Their brief report
suggests that their results also indicated little impairment of actual
driving skills after cannabis. They speculated that since drivers were
aware of their intoxication, they had successfully attempted to
counter the impairment.

Overall, the effects of cannabis use on on-road driving have been
smaller than the comparable effects of intoxicating doses of alcohol
in the same settings (Smiley, 1986). The most consistent cannabis
effect has been that drivers reduce their risk by slowing down; a
finding that contrasts with the consistent finding that subjects
typically increase their speed when intoxicated with alcohol. It is
probably this compensatory behaviour by cannabis users that explains
the comparatively small effects of cannabis intoxication in on road
studies. For ethical reasons such studies have not been able to
adequately test the response of cannabis intoxicated drivers to
situations that require emergency decision, in which there is less
opportunity to compensate for impairment. The few studies which have
attempted to simulate this situation (e.g. by using subsidiary
reaction tasks in addition to driving) have shown that cannabis
intoxication impairs emergency decision-making (Smiley, 1986).


http://www.druglibrary.or...al/ch5.htm

the problem with most marijuana studies is that the acute effects are often subjective and vary from person to person...I think you'll find that any published study of worth will admit this...how often a person uses & their familiarity of the 'high' has to be accounted for as well...
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Reply #41 posted 05/05/10 6:18pm

dseann

Genesia said:

dseann said:



I drive stoned all the time. I won't ever consider driving drunk. I'd rather take ten hours to drive two blocks than plough through two stop signs killing either myself or someone else.
Weed also eliminates road rage. When someone cuts you off, you just assume that person's been drinking and say "fuck it". You'd never chase the car down and cause a scene (especially if the joints still lit between your fingers). stoned


You do realize that driving too slowly can just as dangerous as driving too fast - right? Differences in speed cause a lot of accidents. A driver who's going the limit comes upon someone driving too slowly and - ka-bam!

But how nice that the stoned person who caused the accident won't be pissed about it. rolleyes


True that reckless driving has multiple exapmles. I was being humurous saying I'd rather take ten hours to go two blocks. But driving stoned makes me more focused on the dangers of the road and trying to avoid them. It doesn't make me a traffic hazard. I'f much rather have a highway of stoned drivers than drunks.
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Reply #42 posted 05/05/10 7:10pm

markpeg

dseann said:

Genesia said:



You do realize that driving too slowly can just as dangerous as driving too fast - right? Differences in speed cause a lot of accidents. A driver who's going the limit comes upon someone driving too slowly and - ka-bam!

But how nice that the stoned person who caused the accident won't be pissed about it. rolleyes


True that reckless driving has multiple exapmles. I was being humurous saying I'd rather take ten hours to go two blocks. But driving stoned makes me more focused on the dangers of the road and trying to avoid them. It doesn't make me a traffic hazard. I'f much rather have a highway of stoned drivers than drunks.

Me too.
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Reply #43 posted 05/05/10 8:12pm

KoolEaze

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SUPRMAN said:



"Smoke Some Weed"

[Ice Cube]
Ice Cube motherfucker
West coast motherfucker

George Bush, George Clinton, Bill Clinton
Chris Farley, Chris Rock, Bob Marley
Rick James, knew how to throw a party
"Smoke some weed!"
Snoop Dogg, all the way to Cheech & Chong
Cypress Hill, Robert Downey hit the bong
Ricky Williams, fuck how Miami feeling
"Smoke some weed!"

[Chorus: Ice Cube]
This is West coast nigga thinking
California quicksand got a nigga sinking
I can give a fuck what you niggaz drinking
"Smoke some weed!"
This is West coast nigga thinking
California quicksand got a nigga sinking
I can give a fuck what you bitches drinking
"Smoke some weed!"

[Ice Cube]
If you a baller, nigga I'm a hall of famer
Lion tamer, with two fo'-fifth flamers
Understand, that yo' life's in danger
Didn't your momma, tell you not to talk to strangers
Lil' nigga, I'm the Hillside Strangler
Have a banger, calling for the Lone Ranger
Most rappers, they wanna fuck sangers
I'm a nigga, that wanna bone T'Penga
G4, pull it up out the hanger
A lil' something, to fuel you niggaz anger
The swine, I'm your face rearranger
In a mansion cause Jesus born in a manger
Motherfucker, belong on Jerry Spranger
I'm a gangsta, up in your CD changer
I'll gank ya, for 20 bucks then I'll thank ya
Police, still get the middle fanger

[Chorus]

[Ice Cube]
Lil' niggaz, don't try this at home
Momma in the bathroom leave her ass alone
Cause she probably taking chronic straight to the dome
Go play you lil' fucker, stop being grown
Dave Chappelle, 50 million and a throne
With a big Zulu bitch, nigga getting blown
Watch your tone, if your wear Coppertone
Go back to Africa used to be a theme song
I'm in the zone, do anybody got a zone
I ain't your poppa, but daddy is a rolling stone
Youse a clone, who don't know the shit you on
Unless it's on, a motherfucking ringtone
I'm in a room with two bottles of Patron
You need a loan, to fuck with the Family Stone
Nigga go on, tell 'em Ice Cube is home
Gorilla niggaz, here come King Kong

[Chorus]

[Ice Cube]
Ice Cube motherfucker
West coast motherfucker
"Smoke some weed!"



[Thanks to dcboy2113@yahoo.com for correcting these lyrics]



I love that song! Been a huge Icecube fan since day one, since the days of the Stereo Cru and CIA and very early NWA stuff. Unlike most rappers who became rich and famous, Icecube never really lost his fire and talent.I really like his later songs, too, which can´t be said of most rappers these days.
But, despite his obvious fondness of MJ, he doesn´t come across like a weedsmoker at all.
" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"
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Reply #44 posted 05/05/10 8:59pm

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RodeoSchro said:

JustErin said:



I said that they are not comparable to those that drive drunk. And from my experience, they drive just fine.

I've seen some sober people drive worse....waaaaay worse.


I cannot buy an argument that someone impaired on ANYTHING can drive "just fine".


But they did. I was there...were you? confuse

Have you ever even been in a car with someone that smokes up regularly? I dunno about in the US, but here in Canada there are A LOT of people who smoke up - openly because it's just not a big deal.

I don't do it myself...but I'm definitely surrounded by it - from my boss to several family members. And I can tell you right now that none of them fit into the pot head stereotype that you probably think users are.

And I guess you don't drive while taking prescription drugs or get in a car with someone that is taking prescription drugs either, considering a lot of them say right in the labels that it “may impair your driving”.
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Reply #45 posted 05/05/10 9:37pm

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I'm not for banning alcohol, but marijuana should most definitely be regulated and LEGAL for ages 21 and up.

It will be soon in the states. Not sure when, but change has been creeping slowly since the mid 90's. nod


Oh, and check this tidbit out if you're interested in O-bama's bullshit:




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Reply #46 posted 05/05/10 9:40pm

NDRU

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JustErin said:

RodeoSchro said:



I cannot buy an argument that someone impaired on ANYTHING can drive "just fine".


But they did. I was there...were you? confuse

Have you ever even been in a car with someone that smokes up regularly? I dunno about in the US, but here in Canada there are A LOT of people who smoke up - openly because it's just not a big deal.

I don't do it myself...but I'm definitely surrounded by it - from my boss to several family members. And I can tell you right now that none of them fit into the pot head stereotype that you probably think users are.

And I guess you don't drive while taking prescription drugs or get in a car with someone that is taking prescription drugs either, considering a lot of them say right in the labels that it “may impair your driving”.


the real question is not can you drive fine while impaired, but rather does pot impair your driving?
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Reply #47 posted 05/05/10 9:44pm

thejason

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marijuana should most definitely be regulated and LEGAL for ages 21 and up.



couldn't agree more...

and regulation, imo, has nothing to do with being taxed...
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Reply #48 posted 05/05/10 9:52pm

JerseyKRS

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thejason said:

JerseyKRS said:

marijuana should most definitely be regulated and LEGAL for ages 21 and up.



couldn't agree more...

and regulation, imo, has nothing to do with being taxed...


oh, of course not. The tax is the greedy hands part. But I'm willing to compromise if legality and regulation are gained. Are you kidding me? drool


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Reply #49 posted 05/05/10 9:55pm

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and by the way:



- Hemp is Earth's number-one biomass resource; it is capable of producing 10 tons per acre in four months.

- Hemp plastic is biodegradable, synthetic plastic is not.

- Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol, or gasoline at a cost comparable to petroleum.

- Hemp fuel burns clean. Petroleum causes acid rain due to sulfur pollution.

- Hemp can produce 10 times more methanol than corn.

- Hemp seed can be pressed into a nutritious oil, which contains the highest amount of fatty acids in the plant kingdom. Essential oils are responsible for our immune system responses, and clear the arteries of cholesterol and plaque.

- Hemp seed protein is one of mankind's finest, most complete and available-to-the-body vegetable proteins.

- One acre of hemp can produce as much usable fiber as 4 acres of trees or two acres of cotton.

- Trees cut down to make paper take 50 to 500 years to grow, while hemp can be cultivated in as little as 100 days and can yield 4 times more paper over a 20 year period.

- One acre of hemp produces as much cellulose fiber pulp as 4.1 acres of trees, making hemp a perfect material to replace trees for pressed board, particle board, and concrete construction molds.

- Isochanvre, a rediscovered French building material made from hemp hurds mixed with lime petrifies into a mineral state and lasts for many centuries. Archeologists have found a bridge in the south of France from the Merovingian period (500-751 A.D.), built with this process.


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Reply #50 posted 05/05/10 9:57pm

tinaz

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JerseyKRS said:

and by the way:



- Hemp is Earth's number-one biomass resource; it is capable of producing 10 tons per acre in four months.

- Hemp plastic is biodegradable, synthetic plastic is not.

- Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol, or gasoline at a cost comparable to petroleum.

- Hemp fuel burns clean. Petroleum causes acid rain due to sulfur pollution.

- Hemp can produce 10 times more methanol than corn.

- Hemp seed can be pressed into a nutritious oil, which contains the highest amount of fatty acids in the plant kingdom. Essential oils are responsible for our immune system responses, and clear the arteries of cholesterol and plaque.

- Hemp seed protein is one of mankind's finest, most complete and available-to-the-body vegetable proteins.

- One acre of hemp can produce as much usable fiber as 4 acres of trees or two acres of cotton.

- Trees cut down to make paper take 50 to 500 years to grow, while hemp can be cultivated in as little as 100 days and can yield 4 times more paper over a 20 year period.

- One acre of hemp produces as much cellulose fiber pulp as 4.1 acres of trees, making hemp a perfect material to replace trees for pressed board, particle board, and concrete construction molds.

- Isochanvre, a rediscovered French building material made from hemp hurds mixed with lime petrifies into a mineral state and lasts for many centuries. Archeologists have found a bridge in the south of France from the Merovingian period (500-751 A.D.), built with this process.




LOVE LOVE LOVE this stuff!!



~~~~~ Oh that voice...incredible....there should be a musical instrument called George Michael... ~~~~~
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Reply #51 posted 05/05/10 9:58pm

thejason

JerseyKRS said:

thejason said:




couldn't agree more...

and regulation, imo, has nothing to do with being taxed...


oh, of course not. The tax is the greedy hands part. But I'm willing to compromise if legality and regulation are gained. Are you kidding me? drool


I can't be convinced taxing it without creating a new illegal market is possible...
and I certainly dont wan the government controlling quality or quantity...

if they wanna tax somethng, tax the hemp...not the bud...
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Reply #52 posted 05/05/10 10:00pm

thejason

thejason said:

JerseyKRS said:



oh, of course not. The tax is the greedy hands part. But I'm willing to compromise if legality and regulation are gained. Are you kidding me? drool


I can't be convinced taxing it without creating a new illegal market is possible...
and I certainly dont wan the government controlling quality or quantity...

if they wanna tax somethng, tax the hemp...not the bud...



I see my tax the hemp campaign backed up with facts and stats from Jersey...puff on that you just say no types...lol
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Reply #53 posted 05/05/10 10:01pm

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JerseyKRS said:

and by the way:



- Hemp is Earth's number-one biomass resource; it is capable of producing 10 tons per acre in four months.

- Hemp plastic is biodegradable, synthetic plastic is not.

- Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol, or gasoline at a cost comparable to petroleum.

- Hemp fuel burns clean. Petroleum causes acid rain due to sulfur pollution.

- Hemp can produce 10 times more methanol than corn.

- Hemp seed can be pressed into a nutritious oil, which contains the highest amount of fatty acids in the plant kingdom. Essential oils are responsible for our immune system responses, and clear the arteries of cholesterol and plaque.

- Hemp seed protein is one of mankind's finest, most complete and available-to-the-body vegetable proteins.

- One acre of hemp can produce as much usable fiber as 4 acres of trees or two acres of cotton.

- Trees cut down to make paper take 50 to 500 years to grow, while hemp can be cultivated in as little as 100 days and can yield 4 times more paper over a 20 year period.

- One acre of hemp produces as much cellulose fiber pulp as 4.1 acres of trees, making hemp a perfect material to replace trees for pressed board, particle board, and concrete construction molds.

- Isochanvre, a rediscovered French building material made from hemp hurds mixed with lime petrifies into a mineral state and lasts for many centuries. Archeologists have found a bridge in the south of France from the Merovingian period (500-751 A.D.), built with this process.


plus it has motivated stoners to create nearly miraculous smoking devices out of items that even MacGuyver would find useless
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Reply #54 posted 05/05/10 10:02pm

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thejason said:

JerseyKRS said:



oh, of course not. The tax is the greedy hands part. But I'm willing to compromise if legality and regulation are gained. Are you kidding me? drool


I can't be convinced taxing it without creating a new illegal market is possible...
and I certainly dont wan the government controlling quality or quantity...

if they wanna tax somethng, tax the hemp...not the bud...


check it out, if they price it RIGHT, there will be ZEO secondary illegal market. That, along with allowing you to grow your own plants for personal usage only almost cripples the tree trade.

But, since when did anything that makes sense happen? bored


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Reply #55 posted 05/05/10 10:03pm

thejason

NDRU said:

plus it has motivated stoners to create nearly miraculous smoking devices out of items that even MacGuyver would find useless



a stoner with no smoking device is one of the craftiest, most creative creatures ever known to exist...
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Reply #56 posted 05/05/10 10:10pm

thejason

JerseyKRS said:

along with allowing you to grow your own plants for personal usage....


lawd, when they do that, I'm gonna open a 5 gallon bucket factory...those things will be impossible to keep on the shelves...woot!
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Reply #57 posted 05/05/10 10:17pm

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JerseyKRS said:

along with allowing you to grow your own plants for personal usage....


lawd, when they do that, I'm gonna open a 5 gallon bucket factory...those things will be impossible to keep on the shelves...woot!



I want IN.





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Reply #58 posted 05/05/10 11:04pm

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JerseyKRS said:

and by the way:



- Hemp is Earth's number-one biomass resource; it is capable of producing 10 tons per acre in four months.

- Hemp plastic is biodegradable, synthetic plastic is not.

- Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol, or gasoline at a cost comparable to petroleum.

- Hemp fuel burns clean. Petroleum causes acid rain due to sulfur pollution.

- Hemp can produce 10 times more methanol than corn.

- Hemp seed can be pressed into a nutritious oil, which contains the highest amount of fatty acids in the plant kingdom. Essential oils are responsible for our immune system responses, and clear the arteries of cholesterol and plaque.

- Hemp seed protein is one of mankind's finest, most complete and available-to-the-body vegetable proteins.

- One acre of hemp can produce as much usable fiber as 4 acres of trees or two acres of cotton.

- Trees cut down to make paper take 50 to 500 years to grow, while hemp can be cultivated in as little as 100 days and can yield 4 times more paper over a 20 year period.

- One acre of hemp produces as much cellulose fiber pulp as 4.1 acres of trees, making hemp a perfect material to replace trees for pressed board, particle board, and concrete construction molds.

- Isochanvre, a rediscovered French building material made from hemp hurds mixed with lime petrifies into a mineral state and lasts for many centuries. Archeologists have found a bridge in the south of France from the Merovingian period (500-751 A.D.), built with this process.


If there is such a thing as a wonder plant, this is it. Hemp and marijuana have so many wonderful and practical applications.
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Reply #59 posted 05/05/10 11:27pm

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JerseyKRS said:

thejason said:



lawd, when they do that, I'm gonna open a 5 gallon bucket factory...those things will be impossible to keep on the shelves...woot!



I want IN.





we're gonna be rich...

and high woot!
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