Adisa said:

Sorry ass Vince Young? He resurrected the Titans season and they fell
one game short of the playoffs to a red hot Chargers team. Did you see the
game winning pass he threw against the Cardinals. The jury is still out
on him. I don't see your point in comparing an unproven Tebow against qb's
who have actually won on this level. It's not like Young,McNair,and Manning
are Ryan Leaf,Jamarcus Russell,or Heath Shuler.

Adisa said:

I have nothing against him as a person.
You know what I know is true . . . . whatever . . . .

Adisa said:

Why are you carrying pom poms for Tebow?

PurpleJedi said:

Yes he would be. He wouldn't be the first NFL virgin . . .

thejason said:

That's not the knock on Tebow . . . . .
The knock is that he can't play the position . . . . in the NFL.
All these scouts and coaches must be wrong about Tebow, or they know nothing about what they are doing . . . .

Poiple said:

He will never get there. If he hangs around he'll be every teams third string QB.
Don't expect greatness because he was good in college. (Gino Torreta anyone?)

thejason said:

No sees 'no potential' we just don't see a franchise QB or even a starting QB at this point. Tebow will impress just becoming a starter by something other than default.

uPtoWnNY said:

Tebow will not be playing in October . . . .

thejason said:

He's gotten the chance. The Bronco's wasted a first rounder on him. (Wasted because Tebow wasn't going anywhere . . . He would have been there in the third round . . . .)
He could also have gotten a chance if he hadn't been drafted.
After 75 years, you would think the NFL has a body of knowledge to assess prospects . . . No one is saying he can only fail, but he won't be that 'great' QB he was in college.

thejason said:

Tebow would not start in Jax this season either. He won't be playing in the NFL this coming season unless something drastic happens. If he plays this year, he'll get killed, early and often.

Wait and see

phunkdaddy said:

My point is that I don't see the point of people bashing the guy yet praising so many other average QB's. Esp. after the numbers he put up in his college career. It's all subjecive I know. I just don't see the point. And yes Vince Young is sorry IMO. He didn't resurrect the Titans. Hhe learned how to not fuck up. He entered the game as a backup, won the starting job, lost the starting job, won the starting job...he needs to put in more years of production for me to be conVinced.

The guy has almost twice as many interceptions as TD's.

SUPRMAN said:

You haven't shown that you know any damned thing about football on this thread. Just a lot of speculation. At least do some cross-analysis, compare stats, contrasts...SOMETHING other than just blowing personal hate out your ass. Given your posts and debates in P&R I expect better of you.
And nobody is carrying pom poms for Tebow or anybody else.You and a lot of other people don't like the guy and believe he will fail miserably. I don't understand why people feel that way given his success in college and the fact that athletes are EXPECTED to learn, grow, and get better when they turn pro.

SUPRMAN said:

Tebow coming to Jax would have shit to do with him starting...the fact he was on the roster would fill seats in his hometown...jerseys would fly off the shelf...it would give the franchise a needed financial boost...the guy could be third string waterboy in Jax and create a much needed stir for that franchise....
[Edited 4/29/10 6:06am]

thejason said:

Jax is in the same division as the Titans, so they need to not improve in any way, shape, or form. They need to stay right where they are.

Adisa said:

Oh, but I will give credit where credit is due: VY likes to win, wants to win, and like McNair finds ways to win. As an NFL QB he sucks IMO. But the Titans have a long history of winning ugly...very ugly at times. And this is why I respect Tebow thus far. So what if his delivery is garbage. Can't be any worse that Vince's a la all the interceptions he's thrown so far. And like Vince I believe Tebow will get in there and do what he did in college which is bust ass and fnd a way to win no matter what.
Plus he's in the AFC West whiich is only a two-team division anyway. If he goes 4-2 in the division and at least splits the rest of the season he's 9-7 with a shot at the playoffs. I'll have to check the Broncos schedule for the season.

I'm glad Jacksonville passed on him.

Adisa said:

I live about an hour & 20 minutes from Jacksonville...you could hear the collective groan coming from there all the way at my house when he wasn't their pick....

Adisa said:

Um how do you know Tebow will even see the field as a starting qb
this season particularly since they traded for another former first
round qb in Brady Quinn.(yes i know he has been garbage to this point)
They also have a reliable starter in Kyle Orton whose job is to
not lose the game instead of trying to win the game. Tebow only sees
the field in short yardage situations and 3rd downs when they are
trying to throw an added wrinkle at the defense. We're pretty much
regurgitating over and over that he was a great college qb. What most
here see and a lot of pro scouts see is that it won't translate to
the next level. And what's with you and this praising other qb's deal.
I don't recall one damn person here saying Vince Young was a good qb yet
or David Garrard is the second coming of Mark Brunell. Just saying.

phunkdaddy said:

I was speaking generally. Nobody knows what Tebow will do. I just believe he will find ways to win in the pros just like he did in college.


Again, we don't know how he'll be used. My point is that I think he is capable of learning and growing into the type of NFL QB that can win games and don't why others won't at least give him that much expectation while average veteran or even young QBs such as Vince Young receive so much praise.
Ultimately,we will all have to wait and see.

Adisa said:

Can you quote me some of my 'personal hate?' I don't think you can.
Because he's not a franchise quarterback or worth a first round pick is not 'personal hate.' The fact that he doesn't have the mechanics (as of yet) expected of a NFL quarterback is not 'personal hate.' The fact that he would not be successful initially in the NFL as he currently quarterbacks is not 'personal hate.'
He's only a man. Yes, he was fantastic in college, but we know, most of them go pro in something other than professional sports.
Tebow may turn out to do something in the NFL but I wouldn't bet on it.

Adisa said:

Except Tebow will not be playing this season for the Denver Broncos. They are obviously going to sit him for at least a year.

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phunkdaddy said:

I've admitted that! But a third stringer can win games for you.
Expectations are low, so in a couple of years if he takes the field, we'll see what he's got. He may spend all season playing wildcat. That's the only time I see him taking the field this season.

Gotcha Superman. I understand and thanks for clarifying. But you also said:

I say he's not a NFL QB.
He can't currently make it in the NFL.
I would (bet against him)
Tebow was not in an NFL style offense or with coaches prepping him for the NFL.

I'm just trying to understand: do you believe Tebow can't be as good as Vince was his rookie year, or a career .500 in the playoffs like Manning, or even a Garrard, or a Kerry Collins, or Mike Vick? Do you really think Tebow is not even good enough to survive in the NFL at these (very average) levels?

I do understand if people believe he won't replicate the success he had in college. That's good for me as I'm a Titans fan. But to say he can't ever make it as some are saying? I just don't get that in general. What do think the people who say this base their assertions on really?

Adisa said:

Knowledge of the game.
Pro scouts(They are generally right more than they are wrong. Do miss
on occasion)

phunkdaddy said:

Gotcha. And yes there have been more than a few hyped up college players and Heisman winners that went NO WHERE in the pros. I think there is concern that Tebow will fail like another certain FL qb couchdannycough that everyone thought was gonna be an NFL legend.

Tony Dungy: Tim Tebow will be a great NFL quarterback;

The biggest question mark in the 2010 NFL Draft is Florida quarterback Tim Tebow, who's viewed by some as a future franchise quarterback and by others as a guy who will need to move to another position if he'll ever make it as a pro.

Count Tony Dungy as emphatically believing that Tebow will be an NFL superstar.

Appearing Friday morning on The Dan Patrick Show, Dungy said he believes the combination of leadership and athletic ability that Tebow has will make him an elite NFL quarterback -- and more than make up for any questions about his throwing motion.

"As a coach, I always like winners," Dungy said. "Tim Tebow doesn't have the classic throwing motion, he doesn't have the accuracy, maybe, right now that some people are looking for, but I think when he gets into a pro system that really stresses throwing the ball accurately, the big thing is he makes the people around him better. And he's won. ... I think he's going to be a great player in the NFL."

Dungy said that if he were running a team with a Top 10 pick, he'd take Tebow. Patrick then asked Dungy who he'd pick for his team if he could have any of the top college quarterbacks, including Washington's Jake Locker, Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen, Oklahoma's Sam Bradford and Texas's Colt McCoy. Dungy didn't hesitate and said, "I'm taking Tebow."

One of the knocks on Tebow is that during his stellar career in Florida's spread offense, he's never been asked to make the kinds of throws that quarterbacks in prototypical NFL offenses have to make. But Dungy said a good coach can take advantage of Tebow's strengths.

"Is it ever going to be Peyton Manning-ish? Maybe not," Dungy said of Tebow's throwing motion. "But I just think what you can do with him, the problems he creates for a defense, the combination of leadership and what he's shown, if I have him, defenses have to prepare for a totally different offense. ... He's going to give teams the most headaches getting ready for him."

Adisa said:

Aw just convert Tebow to TE or fullback and get it over with.
Matt Jones is a converted college qb who plays WR and he was
a good fit. The only thing holding Matt Jones back from being a
good WR in the NFL is Matt Jones.

Adisa said:

He can't currently make it in the NFL which is why there is the expectation that he will sit a year.
Tebow can't be as good in his rookie year as Vince Young was in his. I don't see it.
Can he be as good as Garrard, low bar, but yeah, maybe. Peyton? Nope. I see you only focus on Manning's playoff record like he only plays in the playoffs . ...

I think people base their assessment of Tebow on having watched him in college.
I really watched him last year (2009) and never thought he looked NFL caliber. Yeah, he has a great W-L record but so did Gino Toretta out of Miami.
Being good or great in college is no guarantee of NFL success.

Adisa said:

Danny Wuerffel. Yeah. Another Florida winner that didn't translate.

SUPRMAN said:

Dude, saying that doesn't make it so. And you still haven't offered anything substantial to such an assertion.





It's called a PATTERN.OF.BEHAVIOR. Peyton, unlike Tebow, could never win the big games in college, and he's not any different 11 years into the pros. Yet the media touts Peyton as the greatest QB of this generation because of his (padded by NFL rules) stats in the air. Peyton is and has been great at what he does, but he's OVER.HYPED. Nobody thought they were gonna win the Superbowl becuase their defense was HORRIBLE at stopping the run. That was the year the Jags put up 300 yrds on the ground against the. But the defense learned and made adjustments which is what pro athletes are supoosed to do. When the defense showed up the Colts won the ring...but PEYTON got all the praise? The same thing happened with his brother's team. The Giants D won stopped the Patriots, but Eli gets the fat contract?


Agree 100%, talent and skills need to be improving. And collge success doesn't guarantee pro success, but it is the obvious indicator. Which is why they scout and draft college players in the first place.