DesireeNevermind said: ernestsewell said: No, she asked Mo's blessing on going forward with the show, as she didn't want to offend Mo and her story. That's not in defense of Oprah, it's in support of Mo's decision. That's what I thought too. But, she gave her blessing instead. [Edited 4/20/10 13:20pm] "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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shorttrini said: DesireeNevermind said: That's what I thought too. But, she gave her blessing instead. However, it DOES bring this subject to light, which is a good thing. There are way too many people out there, that act like this does not happen. [Edited 4/20/10 13:20pm] "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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shorttrini said: That's what I thought too. But, she gave her blessing instead. However, it DOES bring this subject to light, which is a good thing. There are way too many people out there, that act like this does not happen.
[Edited 4/20/10 13:20pm] I graduated bitches!!! 12-19-09 | |
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The parents were just blind. Mo is acting like everything is okay so that actually makes everything okay? Seriously? Obviously they are not familiar with terms such as "coping skills" and "post-traumatic stress." I'm sure Mo'Nique was not only afraid of her older brother but also afraid of what her parents would think and how they would treat her. That family has more issues than just the abuse of their daughter. They seem quite the closeted dysfunctional type...and angry that their dirty laundry has been aired. I hate when people say things like "keep it in the family". | |
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DesireeNevermind said: The parents were just blind. Mo is acting like everything is okay so that actually makes everything okay? Seriously? Obviously they are not familiar with terms such as "coping skills" and "post-traumatic stress." I'm sure Mo'Nique was not only afraid of her older brother but also afraid of what her parents would think and how they would treat her. That family has more issues than just the abuse of their daughter. They seem quite the closeted dysfunctional type...and angry that their dirty laundry has been aired. I hate when people say things like "keep it in the family".
I hate that shit too. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: They seem quite the closeted dysfunctional type...and angry that their dirty laundry has been aired. I hate when people say things like "keep it in the family".
Yeah, that sounds like my family! | |
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PunkMistress said: DesireeNevermind said: They seem quite the closeted dysfunctional type...and angry that their dirty laundry has been aired. I hate when people say things like "keep it in the family".
Yeah, that sounds like my family! I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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I got molested by two female relatives growing up. Child to Child sexual abuse goes unreported a lot. I'm in the mood for love...simply because your near me. | |
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Girl4both said: I got molested by two female relatives growing up. Child to Child sexual abuse goes unreported a lot.
If you don't mind talking a bit about it, were they ever brought to justice? And have you had a tough time dealing with the repercussion? Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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shorttrini said: Here is my question...As the boyfriend of an abuse victim, how do I control my emotions? I tell you, there are times when I wanna.....You have NO IDEA!! She has very little self confedence, yet she is very good at writing music. It kills me when she puts herelf down to the point where she wants to give up.
What does your gf want you to do about it? She's forgiven him? I think her wishes must come first and be respected. Tough not to be angry though. MY COUSIN WORKS IN A PHARMACY AND SHE SAID THEY ENEMA'D PRANCE INTO OBLIVION WITH FENTONILS!! | |
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Fauxie said: shorttrini said: Here is my question...As the boyfriend of an abuse victim, how do I control my emotions? I tell you, there are times when I wanna.....You have NO IDEA!! She has very little self confedence, yet she is very good at writing music. It kills me when she puts herelf down to the point where she wants to give up.
What does your gf want you to do about it? She's forgiven him? I think her wishes must come first and be respected. Tough not to be angry though. She wants him prosecuted and so do I. If he ever come back to the U.S. he will. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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Girl4both said: I got molested by two female relatives growing up. Child to Child sexual abuse goes unreported a lot.
Did it play a part in your sexuality? "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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shorttrini said: Fauxie said: What does your gf want you to do about it? She's forgiven him? I think her wishes must come first and be respected. Tough not to be angry though. She wants him prosecuted and so do I. If he ever come back to the U.S. he will. Ah, that's different to my situation. I hope you can bring him to justice someday. MY COUSIN WORKS IN A PHARMACY AND SHE SAID THEY ENEMA'D PRANCE INTO OBLIVION WITH FENTONILS!! | |
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DesireeNevermind said: I don't think there is a molester alive who doesn't claim to have been molested themselves and it's almost always a sympathy plea. Fuck that. Either you want to inflict the same pain on another person as was inflicted upon you or you don't. And if you do...then fuck you and who cares about your pain. That's like a burglar saying he stole because somebody stole from him. People have to take responsiblity for the wrong that they do. This dude getting on TV trying to benefit from what he did to Mo'Nique's is atrocious. Make no mistake...he's going to benefit in some way, shape or form.
Though God knows plenty of people try to use their own abuse as an excuse ultimately it doesn't cut it. But it is a reason. Abusers don't come from nowhere. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: DesireeNevermind said: I don't think there is a molester alive who doesn't claim to have been molested themselves and it's almost always a sympathy plea. Fuck that. Either you want to inflict the same pain on another person as was inflicted upon you or you don't. And if you do...then fuck you and who cares about your pain. That's like a burglar saying he stole because somebody stole from him. People have to take responsiblity for the wrong that they do. This dude getting on TV trying to benefit from what he did to Mo'Nique's is atrocious. Make no mistake...he's going to benefit in some way, shape or form.
Though God knows plenty of people try to use their own abuse as an excuse ultimately it doesn't cut it. But it is a reason. Abusers don't come from nowhere. True but can't a person just be fucked up in the head? I mean are we all inherently good, inherently bad, or a mixture of the two with outside influences and family upbringing playing a major role in how we turn out? There is no evidence to support that all molesters were themselves molested and that all those who are molested will grow up to molest others. I'm not calling the dude a liar...but it wouldn't surprise me if he was indeed lying about his own abuse. Shit, did he even apologize to the girl he molested and which ultimately landed him in prison? Where is his televised apology to her? | |
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DesireeNevermind said: meow85 said: Though God knows plenty of people try to use their own abuse as an excuse ultimately it doesn't cut it. But it is a reason. Abusers don't come from nowhere. True but can't a person just be fucked up in the head? I mean are we all inherently good, inherently bad, or a mixture of the two with outside influences and family upbringing playing a major role in how we turn out? There is no evidence to support that all molesters were themselves molested and that all those who are molested will grow up to molest others. I'm not calling the dude a liar...but it wouldn't surprise me if he was indeed lying about his own abuse. Shit, did he even apologize to the girl he molested and which ultimately landed him in prison? Where is his televised apology to her? I'm not saying this isn't all skeezy as fuck. I didn't see the show but from what I've heard it seems clear he's doing this more for the attention than out of any genuine remorse. But I don't think there are any inherently bad people. There aren't any inherently good people either. Everyone is a mix, with some leaning stronger one way or the other. But whether it's being abused themselves, or bad wiring in their heads a sexual abuser isn't born in a vacuum. Something makes them that way. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Told ya these bastids start out young. His perversity negatively impacted her life- probably still impacting her life. It's amazing how these mofos think saying sorry is somehow enough...and on the Oprah show no less.
[Edited 4/19/10 12:55pm] If he is really deeply sorry for raping/molesting his own sister, why doesn't he request the law enforcers in his hometown to arrest him for these charges?!? THIS^ is what I'm piss about more than anything else. He NEVER been punished for the crime at all. | |
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meow85 said: DesireeNevermind said: True but can't a person just be fucked up in the head? I mean are we all inherently good, inherently bad, or a mixture of the two with outside influences and family upbringing playing a major role in how we turn out? There is no evidence to support that all molesters were themselves molested and that all those who are molested will grow up to molest others. I'm not calling the dude a liar...but it wouldn't surprise me if he was indeed lying about his own abuse. Shit, did he even apologize to the girl he molested and which ultimately landed him in prison? Where is his televised apology to her? I'm not saying this isn't all skeezy as fuck. I didn't see the show but from what I've heard it seems clear he's doing this more for the attention than out of any genuine remorse. But I don't think there are any inherently bad people. There aren't any inherently good people either. Everyone is a mix, with some leaning stronger one way or the other. But whether it's being abused themselves, or bad wiring in their heads a sexual abuser isn't born in a vacuum. Something makes them that way. I'd like to believe this because then it means we can possibly stop it in the future but my gut tells me some people are just wired this way and when a person is wired a certain way...there is no stopping them. The only thing that will stop these types of people is their own death. | |
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Mars23 said: I find it equally disturbing that
1. The need to go on national TV to work this out. 2. Oprah gives them a platform to do it. At what point will people simply admit their sins just to be on Oprah? And people wonder why I think Oprah has become a religion in herself. | |
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TonyVanDam said: DesireeNevermind said: Told ya these bastids start out young. His perversity negatively impacted her life- probably still impacting her life. It's amazing how these mofos think saying sorry is somehow enough...and on the Oprah show no less.
[Edited 4/19/10 12:55pm] If he is really deeply sorry for raping/molesting his own sister, why doesn't he request the law enforcers in his hometown to arrest him for these charges?!? THIS^ is what I'm piss about more than anything else. He NEVER been punished for the crime at all. Excellent point. I hadn't thought of that. He should be ready and willing to go to prison for what he did to her. I don't think any of the family members addressed pressing charges against him either when it happened or now. There is no statute of limitations I believe so he could very well go to jail even though it's been decades since the crime occurred. | |
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As soon as the parents come to grips with what happened, this will NEVER happen. It seems to me like everyone, is afraid of this man...Especially the parents. [Edited 4/21/10 12:56pm] "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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shorttrini said: As soon as the parents come to grips with what happened, this will NEVER happen. It seems to me like everyone, is afraid of this man...Especially the parents.
[Edited 4/21/10 12:56pm] Either fear or they just favor him over Mo'Nique. Some families are like that...favoring boys and the boys can do no wrong in the eyes of the parents. He's also their first born I believe...sometimes that plays a role as well. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: shorttrini said: As soon as the parents come to grips with what happened, this will NEVER happen. It seems to me like everyone, is afraid of this man...Especially the parents.
Either fear or they just favor him over Mo'Nique. Some families are like that...favoring boys and the boys can do no wrong in the eyes of the parents. He's also their first born I believe...sometimes that plays a role as well. | |
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shorttrini said: As soon as the parents come to grips with what happened, this will NEVER happen. It seems to me like everyone, is afraid of this man...Especially the parents.
[Edited 4/21/10 12:56pm] I just think it's easier to believe your child is liar, rather than your child is a rapist. I don't think fear of their son is a factor, more like fear of what people will say about their family. It comes down to selfishness. Also, I don't think the dude is that deluded to think that people are going to praise him for confessing that he raped his sister. I understand the cynicism but I just don't agree. He's already done time for sexually assaulting another girl so he must know by now child abusers and rapists are at the bottom of even Prison social hierarchies. | |
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AshK said: shorttrini said: As soon as the parents come to grips with what happened, this will NEVER happen. It seems to me like everyone, is afraid of this man...Especially the parents.
[Edited 4/21/10 12:56pm] I just think it's easier to believe your child is liar, rather than your child is a rapist. I don't think fear of their son is a factor, more like fear of what people will say about their family. It comes down to selfishness. Also, I don't think the dude is that deluded to think that people are going to praise him for confessing that he raped his sister. I understand the cynicism but I just don't agree. He's already done time for sexually assaulting another girl so he must know by now child abusers and rapists are at the bottom of even Prison social hierarchies. Sad but true. | |
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I know that some people hate Oprah, but shame on you for using this as an excuse to bash her. This problem is more serious than her. Oprah was molested when she was a child and nobody came to her aid. In her previous shows, she said that this is a big secret that should be revealed because silence only protects the victimizers. This isn't the first time Oprah has had a show about sexual assualt. She's had sexual abusers on her show before. I guess everyone ignored those shows because the people weren't famous/related to a famous person. Oprah's trying to get the word out because so many people ignore this issue, especially when the victims are females because of the double standard. [Edited 4/21/10 16:05pm] | |
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jeami said: I know that some people hate Oprah, but shame on you for using this as an excuse to bash her. This problem is more serious than her. Oprah was molested when she was a child and nobody came to her aid. In her previous shows, she said that this is a big secret that should be revealed because silence only protects the victimizers. This isn't the first time Oprah has had a show about sexual assualt. She's had sexual abusers on her show before. I guess everyone ignored those shows because the people weren't famous/related to a famous person. Oprah's trying to get the word out because so many people ignore this issue, especially when the victims are females because of the double standard.
[Edited 4/21/10 16:05pm] Thanks for making good points. | |
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jeami said: I know that some people hate Oprah, but shame on you for using this as an excuse to bash her. This problem is more serious than her. Oprah was molested when she was a child and nobody came to her aid. In her previous shows, she said that this is a big secret that should be revealed because silence only protects the victimizers. This isn't the first time Oprah has had a show about sexual assualt. She's had sexual abusers on her show before. I guess everyone ignored those shows because the people weren't famous/related to a famous person. Oprah's trying to get the word out because so many people ignore this issue, especially when the victims are females because of the double standard.
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DesireeNevermind said: ernestsewell said: No, she asked Mo's blessing on going forward with the show, as she didn't want to offend Mo and her story. That's not in defense of Oprah, it's in support of Mo's decision. Oprah said in the opening that before she agreed to do the show, she spoke to Monique and although she didn't want to participate, she gave her blessings because she feels that this interview might help someone that's being abused to come foward | |
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jeami said: I know that some people hate Oprah, but shame on you for using this as an excuse to bash her. This problem is more serious than her. Oprah was molested when she was a child and nobody came to her aid. In her previous shows, she said that this is a big secret that should be revealed because silence only protects the victimizers. This isn't the first time Oprah has had a show about sexual assualt. She's had sexual abusers on her show before. I guess everyone ignored those shows because the people weren't famous/related to a famous person. Oprah's trying to get the word out because so many people ignore this issue, especially when the victims are females because of the double standard.
[Edited 4/21/10 16:05pm] I can tell you why I'm somewhat pissed at her. She gave this dude a platform/stage by himself so he could discuss what he did in a half-assed apologetic way. Why? Because he is the brother of an oscar winner. I don't think he deserves to ride Mo'Nique's coat tails. I could see if this was the first time any of us had heard about Mo's ordeal but he truth is we already knew - she let it out in print and on Barbara Walters who is still highly respected in journalism. For this creep to get that Oprah spotlight is ridiculous. He should be on stage with all the other pervs because he is nothing special and unfortunately everything common. And Oprah needs to have more shows on men who have been abused. Supposedly 1 out of 4 girls and 1 out of 7 boys are sexually abused. The thing was somewhat sensationalized for me and I expect better from her. It's like when she had Robin Givens on after Mike Tyson. We know Tyson was a lousy husband and he hit Robin but did we really need to hear her re-hash the whole thing? That's all. | |
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