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PrintableNDRU said: DesireeNevermind said: Well technically I am judging both the curvy and the starvation looks. I like one, I do not like the other. I find one to take little effort in accomplishing and the other to take extreme effort with possible negative side affects. I find one to be more healthy and the other to be more unhealthy. I like meat versus bones. And I CAN moan because the media does portray curvy women as either undesireable or fat whereas they treat the bag of bones as highly fashionable/desirable and something to aspire too.  I think this is much less true than it used to be. I hope so...I won't hold my breath waiting for that very curvy chick to grace the cover of vogue though. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: NDRU said: I think this is much less true than it used to be. I hope so...I won't hold my breath waiting for that very curvy chick to grace the cover of vogue though. runway models are still really thin, but they're modeling clothes, not their bodies Sex symbols like J-Lo, Britney, Beyonce, & Kim are definitely celebrated for their curves So maybe not Vogue, but how about Cosmo?  My Legacy
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JustErin said: DesireeNevermind said: Well technically I am judging both the curvy and the starvation looks. I like one, I do not like the other. I find one to take little effort in accomplishing and the other to take extreme effort with possible negative side affects. I find one to be more healthy and the other to be more unhealthy. I like meat versus bones. And I CAN moan because the media does portray curvy women as either undesireable or fat whereas they treat the bag of bones as highly fashionable/desirable and something to aspire too. You do realize that it can be just as hard to get a curvy Beyonce bod as it is to get a rail thin one, right? She has a body type that has a very particular waist to hip ratio that a lot of women just don't have and simply can not achieve. She has fat distribution in exactly all the right places. Perhaps her body type is just as unrealistic. Perhaps but ....what does Bey have that most women don't? She has boobs, hips thighs and ass. Women generally come with this package. We start accumulating fat in these areas after puberty and especially once we start having kids. A few high caloric snacks here and there don't hut either. The only enviable and possibly hard to achieve spot on Beys' bod IMO is probably her small waist/flat stomach, which even she doesn't seem to maintain without the aid of a personal trainer. Other than that (and her gorgeous face/skin) she's almost average. | |
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NDRU said: DesireeNevermind said: I hope so...I won't hold my breath waiting for that very curvy chick to grace the cover of vogue though. runway models are still really thin, but they're modeling clothes, not their bodies Sex symbols like J-Lo, Britney, Beyonce, & Kim are definitely celebrated for their curves So maybe not Vogue, but how about Cosmo? those photoshopping maggots!!!  | |
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DesireeNevermind said: JustErin said: You do realize that it can be just as hard to get a curvy Beyonce bod as it is to get a rail thin one, right? She has a body type that has a very particular waist to hip ratio that a lot of women just don't have and simply can not achieve. She has fat distribution in exactly all the right places. Perhaps her body type is just as unrealistic. Perhaps but ....what does Bey have that most women don't? She has boobs, hips thighs and ass. Women generally come with this package. We start accumulating fat in these areas after puberty and especially once we start having kids. A few high caloric snacks here and there don't hut either. The only enviable and possibly hard to achieve spot on Beys' bod IMO is probably her small waist/flat stomach, which even she doesn't seem to maintain without the aid of a personal trainer. Other than that (and her gorgeous face/skin) she's almost average. She has more than just a flat stomach. She has thin arms, ankles, face...she basically only carries weight in her thighs, ass and somewhat in her boobs. Unfortunately most women do not gain weight in just those areas and to lose weight it also usually comes off in general, not just in targeted areas. She is the way she is based on genetics - something that can't be achieve with work unless you have the same kind of genetics. I really don't see it any different than someone who is naturally very thin. And not every skinny chick starves themselves. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: mcmeekle said: You can't moan about the treatment of "curvy" women and then have a dig at the more slender ones. Either you judge people by their body type or you don't. Well technically I am judging both the curvy and the starvation looks. I like one, I do not like the other. I find one to take little effort in accomplishing and the other to take extreme effort with possible negative side affects. I find one to be more healthy and the other to be more unhealthy. I like meat versus bones. And I CAN moan because the media does portray curvy women as either undesireable or fat whereas they treat the bag of bones as highly fashionable/desirable and something to aspire too. But you're guilty of the same bias as the media. You're just on the other side of the fence. | |
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JustErin said: DesireeNevermind said: Perhaps but ....what does Bey have that most women don't? She has boobs, hips thighs and ass. Women generally come with this package. We start accumulating fat in these areas after puberty and especially once we start having kids. A few high caloric snacks here and there don't hut either. The only enviable and possibly hard to achieve spot on Beys' bod IMO is probably her small waist/flat stomach, which even she doesn't seem to maintain without the aid of a personal trainer. Other than that (and her gorgeous face/skin) she's almost average. She has more than just a flat stomach. She has thin arms, ankles, face...she basically only carries weight in her thighs, ass and somewhat in her boobs. Unfortunately most women do not gain weight in just those areas and to lose weight it also usually comes off in general, not just in targeted areas. She is the way she is based on genetics - something that can't be achieve with work unless you have the same kind of genetics. I really don't see it any different than someone who is naturally very thin. And not every skinny chick starves themselves. Negative on that one. She has bat wings aka underarm flab...like many women. And who doesn't have thin ankles other than really heavy people? Her thin face can be attributed to her youth. You're right about losing and gaining in the same areas though. | |
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She would never show her backside unairbrushed because it looks like a garbage bag of cottage cheese, as does mine, so let's not act like she's a part of some society of "real women" in Hollywood. I do think Kim is beautiful but she's a real asshole. Shake it til ya make it  | |
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DesireeNevermind said: JustErin said: She has more than just a flat stomach. She has thin arms, ankles, face...she basically only carries weight in her thighs, ass and somewhat in her boobs. Unfortunately most women do not gain weight in just those areas and to lose weight it also usually comes off in general, not just in targeted areas. She is the way she is based on genetics - something that can't be achieve with work unless you have the same kind of genetics. I really don't see it any different than someone who is naturally very thin. And not every skinny chick starves themselves. Negative on that one. She has bat wings aka underarm flab...like many women. And who doesn't have thin ankles other than really heavy people? Her thin face can be attributed to her youth. You're right about losing and gaining in the same areas though. If you think her arms have underarm flab, your view on women's bodies is just as skewed as the media you claim is totally unrealistic. | |
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mcmeekle said: DesireeNevermind said: Well technically I am judging both the curvy and the starvation looks. I like one, I do not like the other. I find one to take little effort in accomplishing and the other to take extreme effort with possible negative side affects. I find one to be more healthy and the other to be more unhealthy. I like meat versus bones. And I CAN moan because the media does portray curvy women as either undesireable or fat whereas they treat the bag of bones as highly fashionable/desirable and something to aspire too. But you're guilty of the same bias as the media. You're just on the other side of the fence. I'm not on the other side of the fence...heck I aint even on the same lawn. The fact is...my opinion is not affecting any woman/girl anywhere. I don't dictate to society what's beautiful, sexy , fashionable or cool. I don't market weight loss products/gimics, I'm not the head of some women's fashion magazine nor do I produce movies/music videos. In other words...the powers that be are still by and large telling us that being very thin and girly is more attractive than being curvy and womanly. Women/girls all over the nation and abroad are not looking to me to define them but they are looking at the entertainment and fashion industry and being heavily influenced by that industry. [Edited 4/19/10 16:13pm] | |
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JustErin said: DesireeNevermind said: Negative on that one. She has bat wings aka underarm flab...like many women. And who doesn't have thin ankles other than really heavy people? Her thin face can be attributed to her youth. You're right about losing and gaining in the same areas though. If you think her arms have underarm flab, your view on women's bodies is just as skewed as the media you claim is totally unrealistic. Actually Bey has called her under arms flabby and has jiggled them right in front of her concert audience. If she has no problem with her batwings then neither do I. | |
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JustErin said: DesireeNevermind said: Negative on that one. She has bat wings aka underarm flab...like many women. And who doesn't have thin ankles other than really heavy people? Her thin face can be attributed to her youth. You're right about losing and gaining in the same areas though. If you think her arms have underarm flab, your view on women's bodies is just as skewed as the media you claim is totally unrealistic. You're supposed to be the one with issues yet you're the voice of reason here, being realistic. Other posts speak to all kinds of things like envy and insecurity. MY COUSIN WORKS IN A PHARMACY AND SHE SAID THEY ENEMA'D PRANCE INTO OBLIVION WITH FENTONILS!! | |
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Fauxie said: JustErin said: If you think her arms have underarm flab, your view on women's bodies is just as skewed as the media you claim is totally unrealistic. You're supposed to be the one with issues yet you're the voice of reason here, being realistic. Other posts speak to all kinds of things like envy and insecurity.I only apply those issues to myself! | |
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JustErin said: Fauxie said: You're supposed to be the one with issues yet you're the voice of reason here, being realistic. Other posts speak to all kinds of things like envy and insecurity.I only apply those issues to myself! But you're not deluded in any way about it, you're realistic and pragmatic. I'm starting to doubt just how fucked up you are. MY COUSIN WORKS IN A PHARMACY AND SHE SAID THEY ENEMA'D PRANCE INTO OBLIVION WITH FENTONILS!! | |
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DesireeNevermind said: mcmeekle said: But you're guilty of the same bias as the media. You're just on the other side of the fence. I'm not on the other side of the fence...heck I aint even on the same lawn. The fact is...my opinion is not affecting any woman/girl anywhere. I don't dictate to society what's beautiful, sexy , fashionable or cool. I don't market weight loss products/gimics, I'm not the head of some women's fashion magazine nor do I produce movies/music videos. In other words...the powers that be are still by and large telling us that being very thin and girly is more attractive than being curvy and womanly. Women/girls all over the nation and abroad are not looking to me to define them but they are looking at the entertainment and fashion industry and being heavily influenced by that industry. You're firmly on the lawn, slating women based on their body shape. The only difference is you are not in a position of influence. | |
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mcmeekle said: DesireeNevermind said: I'm not on the other side of the fence...heck I aint even on the same lawn. The fact is...my opinion is not affecting any woman/girl anywhere. I don't dictate to society what's beautiful, sexy , fashionable or cool. I don't market weight loss products/gimics, I'm not the head of some women's fashion magazine nor do I produce movies/music videos. In other words...the powers that be are still by and large telling us that being very thin and girly is more attractive than being curvy and womanly. Women/girls all over the nation and abroad are not looking to me to define them but they are looking at the entertainment and fashion industry and being heavily influenced by that industry. You're firmly on the lawn, slating women based on their body shape. The only difference is you are not in a position of influence. BINGO! And influence is what matters. Influence can make a 12 year old feel pretty one day and butt ass ugly the next. Influence can make a woman starve herself to death and make another go out and get freak show tits. Influence can breed confidence or depression and self hate. Influence speaks volumes...one's personal opinion here on the org is but a whisper in cyberspace. Hell not even a whisper.  | |
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DesireeNevermind said: mcmeekle said: You're firmly on the lawn, slating women based on their body shape. The only difference is you are not in a position of influence. BINGO! And influence is what matters. Influence can make a 12 year old feel pretty one day and butt ass ugly the next. Influence can make a woman starve herself to death and make another go out and get freak show tits. Influence can breed confidence or depression and self hate. Influence speaks volumes...one's personal opinion here on the org is but a whisper in cyberspace. Hell not even a whisper. But you are judging women purely on their body shape. Your disdain for thinner women shines through. You are part of all of this, albeit a small, less-influencial part. How would anyone thin feel after reading your descriptions on this thread? Pretty or butt ass ugly? | |
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mcmeekle said: DesireeNevermind said: BINGO! And influence is what matters. Influence can make a 12 year old feel pretty one day and butt ass ugly the next. Influence can make a woman starve herself to death and make another go out and get freak show tits. Influence can breed confidence or depression and self hate. Influence speaks volumes...one's personal opinion here on the org is but a whisper in cyberspace. Hell not even a whisper. But you are judging women purely on their body shape. Your disdain for thinner women shines through. You are part of all of this, albeit a small, less-influencial part. How would anyone thin feel after reading your descriptions on this thread? Pretty or butt ass ugly? If their bones are showing through their skin, their faces are sucked up, their asses are caved in and they look like an escapee from a concentration camp then I think they would know they were butt ass ugly before even reading my post. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: mcmeekle said: But you are judging women purely on their body shape. Your disdain for thinner women shines through. You are part of all of this, albeit a small, less-influencial part. How would anyone thin feel after reading your descriptions on this thread? Pretty or butt ass ugly? If their bones are showing through their skin, their faces are sucked up, their asses are caved in and they look like an escapee from a concentration camp then I think they would know they were butt ass ugly before even reading my post. And you're here to tell them they are, just in case. Well done. MY COUSIN WORKS IN A PHARMACY AND SHE SAID THEY ENEMA'D PRANCE INTO OBLIVION WITH FENTONILS!! | |
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Fauxie said: DesireeNevermind said: If their bones are showing through their skin, their faces are sucked up, their asses are caved in and they look like an escapee from a concentration camp then I think they would know they were butt ass ugly before even reading my post. And you're here to tell them they are, just in case. Well done. yep. tough love. and to all those girls deliberately starving themselves to look like somebody on the page of In Style and OK magazine....    and some veggies | |
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DesireeNevermind said: mcmeekle said: But you are judging women purely on their body shape. Your disdain for thinner women shines through. You are part of all of this, albeit a small, less-influencial part. How would anyone thin feel after reading your descriptions on this thread? Pretty or butt ass ugly? If their bones are showing through their skin, their faces are sucked up, their asses are caved in and they look like an escapee from a concentration camp then I think they would know they were butt ass ugly before even reading my post. Doctor: Well Miss Smith, I've got good news and bad news. The good news is, we've ran some tests and you don't have Anorexia Nervosa. The bad news is you're butt ass ugly. | |
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NDRU said: I think she's hot but definitely has no business being a celebrity.
I tend to agree. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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mcmeekle said: DesireeNevermind said: If their bones are showing through their skin, their faces are sucked up, their asses are caved in and they look like an escapee from a concentration camp then I think they would know they were butt ass ugly before even reading my post. Doctor: Well Miss Smith, I've got good news and bad news. The good news is, we've ran some tests and you don't have Anorexia Nervosa. The bad news is you're butt ass ugly.   
Miss Smith: Yes, but I'm a size 1. Just a swine flu away from my goal weight. Nothing tastes as good as bony and frail feels. | |
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Within certain limits, I think seeing a woman's bones can look really hot. A bit of ribcage, cheek, hip, ankle, wrist, collar, pelvis is just part of a body, and healthy women can have visible bones.
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mcmeekle said: DesireeNevermind said: If their bones are showing through their skin, their faces are sucked up, their asses are caved in and they look like an escapee from a concentration camp then I think they would know they were butt ass ugly before even reading my post. Doctor: Well Miss Smith, I've got good news and bad news. The good news is, we've ran some tests and you don't have Anorexia Nervosa. The bad news is you're butt ass ugly.
I'm glad you're here, that you're funny, and a more patient, tolerant, calm person than I. MY COUSIN WORKS IN A PHARMACY AND SHE SAID THEY ENEMA'D PRANCE INTO OBLIVION WITH FENTONILS!! | |
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In related news, Christina Hendricks dethroned Megan Fox as the supposed best looking American woman.
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FauxReal said: In related news, Christina Hendricks dethroned Megan Fox as the supposed best looking American woman.
http://omg.yahoo.com/blog...an/447/?nc Hah! Another curvy chick wins! Guess the anorexic chicks will consume some more protein and fat now. Yay. | |
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NDRU said: Within certain limits, I think seeing a woman's bones can look really hot. A bit of ribcage, cheek, hip, ankle, wrist, collar, pelvis is just part of a body, and healthy women can have visible bones.
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thejason said: DesireeNevermind said: We have Kim Kardashian, Fergie of Black Eyed Peas, Jessica Simpson and Beyonce who are all curvy women that have somehow gotten a pass from the press. Maybe it's finally okay for grown women to look like grown women and not 13 year old girls. all four of those are hardly examples of everyday, average women...and aint none of 'em shopping at Lane Bryant... even so, it wasn't too long ago that Jessica Simpson was ripped apart for her weight and mom jeans... Lane Bryant. 
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DesireeNevermind said: NDRU said: Within certain limits, I think seeing a woman's bones can look really hot. A bit of ribcage, cheek, hip, ankle, wrist, collar, pelvis is just part of a body, and healthy women can have visible bones.
Maybe not her thigh bones no love for the femur? Nah, if pussy was a club, femurs would be the asshole bouncers. | |
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