I have to fast foward a few scenes cause there boring.

Harlepolis said:

Oh yes.

http://www.dogma-movie.co...arlin.html

PunkMistress said:

Honestly, I didn't remember George Carlin being in the movie...

Maybe a 6 was harsh. I'll bump it up to a 7.

I so want to like Kevin Smith films, I read his writing and he really seems interesting. Then I watch the films (clerks, Mall rats, jay and silent) and they just suck. The dialog just falls so flat

savoirfaire said:

cardinal glick in the opening scene. he was also in strike back, and jersey girl

paintsprayer said:

I want to like jazz music, but every time I listen to it I feel like I'm being tortured.

PunkMistress said:

and don't forget...

RenHoek said:

BUDDY CHRIST!

cborgman said:

yeah, as does the low budget. It's easier to forgive kinda crappy acting & directing when it looks like it was made for cheap. I like the movie a lot though.

Did you see the alternate ending? They definitely picked the right one!

NDRU said:

Did he explain the reason for making the original ending? He always told the story of WHY he changed it, but I don't think I ever heard him say why he came up with it in the 1st place.

I agree though, he def made the right decision.

NDRU said:

yes and yes

Harlepolis said:

sometimes writers want to give depth to the piece by shoehorning in a really overly dramatic ending. i've done it before.

classic scene from Clerks...in the video store..woman walks in with her little girl, and wants to order a video..
RANDAL
Yes, I'd like to place an order,
please...Thank you.

A MOTHER and her SMALL CHILD approach the counter.

MOTHER
Excuse me, but do you see videotapes?

RANDAL
What were you looking for?

MOTHER
(smiling)
It's called Happy Scrappy-The Hero
Pup.

SMALL CHILD
Happy Scrappy!

RANDAL
I'm on the phone with the
distribution house now. Let me make
sure they have it. What's it called
again?

MOTHER
Happy Scrappy-The Hero Pup.

SMALL CHILD
Happy Scrappy!

MOTHER
(more smiling)
She loves the tape.

RANDAL
Obviously.
(to phone)
Yes, hello; this is R.S.T. Video
calling. Customer number four-
three-five-zero-two-nine. I'd like
to place an order...Okay...
(MORE)

39.


RANDAL (CONT'D)
(reading from list)
I need one each of the following
tapes: Whisper in the Wind, To Each
His Own, Put it Where It Doesn't
Belong, My Pipes Need Cleaning, All
Tit-Fucking, Volume Eight, I Need
Your Cock, Ass-Worshipping Rim-
Jobbers, My Cunt and Eight Shafts,
Cum Clean, Cum-Gargling Naked
Sluts, Cum Buns Three, Cumming in a
Sock, Cum on Eileen, Huge Black
Cocks with Pearly White Cum, Slam
It Up My Too-Loose Ass, Ass Blasters
in Outer Space, Blowjobs by Betsy,
Sucking Cock and Cunt, Finger My
Ass, Play with my Puss, Three on a
Dildo, Girls Who Crave Cock, Girls
Who Crave Cunt, Men Alone Two-The
K.Y. Connection, Pink Pussy Lips,
and All Holes Filled with Hard Cock.
Oh, and...
(to MOTHER)
What was the name of that movie?

MOTHER
(nearly dazed)
Happy Scrappy-The Hero Pup.

RANDAL
(on phone)
And a copy of Happy Scrappy-The
Hero Pup...Okay, thanks.
(hangs up; to MOTHER)
Sixteen forty-nine. It'll be here
Monday.

Silence. Then...

SMALL CHILD
Cunt!

Genius, genius, genius. My favorite director of all time, own every single movie he's made on DVD (except Cop Out which I don't think has been released on DVD yet), have a massive 'Dogma' poster on my living room wall, have a signed copy of his first book, a regular copy of the 2nd, and literally an hour before seeing this thread sat down and started reading the latest one 'Shootin' the shit with Kevin Smit' which I believe is mostly or completely transcripts of his Smodcasts, and he's replied to a few things I've asked him on Twitter, which makes me happy

Simply put - I'm a fan.

I was probably 16 when I saw 'Clerks' and damn if that wasn't the best case of totally inspired filmmaking on a small budget I've ever seen - with some fucking legendary dialogue and hilarious scenes to boot.

My all time favorite scene from Clerks has to be....

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK - BERSERKERRRRR
WOULD YOU LIKE SOME MAKING FUCK - BERSERKERRRRR

"Did he just say, making fuck?"



I don't think I've ever disliked a Kevin Smith movie. Hell I even like Jersey Girl.

I like that his material is so polarizing. I don't think I've ever met anyone who just "likes" Kevin Smith. You either love him and totally get his style of writing and directing or you just don't get it at all.

[Edited 4/16/10 20:54pm]

still one of his bests scenes as a director and some of his better writing.

[Edited 4/16/10 21:14pm]

PunkMistress said:

Dogma

Love that flick...Kevin Smith blessed it well!
Mall Rats is another exceptional!

Not a K smith film, but Empire Records is an underrrated gem!

Militant said:

I literally when she said that

There IS something endearing about his films, I can't put my hands on it though(maybe because I'm a newbie fan). So many times I hear the term "crude comedy" getting used to describe his films and Judd Apatow's, but I think its way more than that,,,,for both.

PunkMistress said:

Agreed. Over time, this is my favorite Kevin Smith film. And for ALL of the reasons you mentioned.

I recently picked it up on dvd cause I hadn't replaced my VHS yet.

purplewisdom said:

Yeah, I like that movie too. I used to work in a wrecka sto, so it's kind of nostalgic for me. "If you want blood, you got it!"

Here's a ?uestion though; do you think the movie is sexist?

A girlfriend of mine says she hated Clerks because of the sexist overtones. Do you guys agree?

Maybe I enjoyed the movie too much to let a detail like that slip away.

Harlepolis said:

his films also get accused of being a bit homophobic.

i don't think the film (or films) are necessarily sexist or homophobic so much as lot of kevin's characters tend to be overgrown 13 year old boys existing in adult bodies. i think you are meant to laugh at their immaturity instead of seeing it as a good thing. his trifecta of leads are typically a real asisine man-child best friend, the way more mature and intelligent girl, and the guy on the fence between the two, in love with her and wanting to be mature and adult, but held back by the man-child friend. clerks does it, chasing amy really deals with a lot, as does clerks 2, and zach and miri.

and in the end his smartest characters tend to be the women and the gay characters (particularly becky in clerks 2 and hooper in chasing), who exude intelligence and maturity in a way the straight guy bufoon characters never get close to.

i think for all the immature jokes along the way, overall the films do end up siding with the maturity aspect, and embracing it, and are very reverential towards women.

Harlepolis said:

Sometimes when offensive humor is not dealt out in an even manner, it can feel like that.

From what I remember, it is from a male perspective... all those male characters, even the comic foils are male.

cborgman said:

I was going to say something like this too.

cborgman said:

I think you hit the nail on the head. I wouldn't consider myself a HUGE fan, but after years of watching his movies, occasionally reading his blog and seeing a few of his "an evening with" dvds I think he's very gay positive and, like you say, reverential towards women. The way a man talks about and treats his wife/partner is always a good indicator, and he passes with flying colors in that arena.

The jokes are in teasing good fun.

NewPowerToad said:

Make it four.

cborgman said:

I just re-watched that scene in reply #46. That's a perfect example of taking existing sexist attitudes and literally questions them through a character.