Timmy84 said:

Exactly....I agree. I sometimes think that we should adopt "flogging", like they do in Singapore. If you do a crime, you get 100 lashes. I bet they would think twice about doing dumb shit then.

Dave1992 said:

shorttrini said:

So instead of allowing the legal system to decide on and administer discipline, you think other inmates (who are also being "disciplined" by the legal system) should be able to decide how to discipline someone? Or forget about the legal system, just allow vigilante "discipline"?

What's the point of having a justice system if we as a society are not going to let them do what they have been charged with doing?

Dave1992 said:

And what should happen to you should you decide to beat the motherfucker yourself?

jone70 said:

I have a reason and most people should agree I do. There's no reason for a dickhead like him to beat an 81-year-old man nearly to death and rob him. I mean, come on. Civil rights and ethical values - cool. But this is where it stops, 'cause this shitheard took it a bit too far, don't you think?

jone70 said:

First of all, I don't have much faith in the "justice system". It is a system designed to benefit those that have money and punish those that don't. There is also a disparity in the amount of time one gets for certain crimes,(If you rob a bank or get caught dealing, your sentence maybe more than if you raped a child or committed a murder, which in my opinion deserves life in jail). So, you can go right ahead and trust the most selfishly designed systems in the world. Ours is the only justice system that makes money off of the people that it was designed to rehabilitate. In certain countries, if you steal a woman's purse, they cut off your hand. Because of this, the crime rate is down in these countries. As much as I would love to see a related punishment here, it is not going to happen...Why? because, The U.S. is too concerned about it's image and making friends with other countries. Only to have those countries, come back and kick us in our asses.

Their parents need an ass beating themselves for not beating their kids' ass.

vainandy said:

Some people shouldn't have kids to begin with.

No, the dog doesn't need his ass beat for shitting on the carpet. The person that let the dog in the house needs their ass beat.

It just trips me out when I see these type of parents who let their kids spit in their face and then they point their finger at them and say...."that's not nice". If they don't whip that ass for spitting in their face, then the kid needs to piss in their face next time.

jone70 said:

I agree.

vainandy said:

It's just weird why some think "time out" will be important. No if your child acts like an ass, you whip their ass, show them don't play with mama or daddy. These fools wanna be their children's friends then get shocked when their "precious child" does a heinous criminal act.

peacenlovealways said:

Been in my fairshare of prisons.. they get their ass whupped.

TD3 said:

Always. People in prison don't care about you. They would do whatever it is to dominate you. It's gonna happen to him anyway, so it's too late to pray for his sanity in there. It's like that old saying goes:

"You made your bed now lie in it."

vainandy said:

Timmy84 said:

I always tell people believe it or not, inmates in the penitentiary's do have a picking orders and/or standards. This is a He going to see how "bad" he is when steps into Rikers.

TD3 said:

Yeah they don't really mess with you unless you have a lot of attitude.

shorttrini said:

vainandy said:

There is a reason why this is not happening. Parents are afraid to discipline, for fear of getting arrested. I hear too many parents saying, "I can't hit so and so, cause I'm afraid that somebody will see and call the cops". I have even heard some kids threaten to call the cops on their parents, if they got hit". My 78 year old mom, sums it up best. She told me, "Go ahead and call the cops, and when they get here, tell them to find you a place to live!". One of my cousin's, who work for "Children Protective Services", told me that as long as you don't leave a mark, "Kick that ass!!"

shorttrini said:

oh lawd!



But yes...parents these days are afraid to physically discipline. It's sad because all the parents who abused and killed their children have made it hard for the ones that just want to spank or give a slap across the face one time. There is such a fine line between discipline and abuse that perhaps it is better to just heavily scold and ground the kid then pray that's enough...if parents start when the child is young and give them a healthy mix of love AND discipline then the child will probably respect the parent more. I don't get these folk that let their kids run wild like banshees nor the folk who instill such fear and anger in their kids that the kids turn out to be dysfunctional with either a bully mentality or low self-esteem.

Dave1992 said:

So because you feel you have a good reason to beat up someone who in turn beat up someone else, that makes your beating someone okay? Why is it okay for you to decide that it's okay for you to dole out justice? (Are you a judge?) And as misguided as the alleged attacker may be, who's to say he did not have his own reasons for what he did?

jone70 said:

WTF? Unbelievable...these bleeding-hearts.....

Sorry, but sympathy/understanding for thugs is not in my vocabulary.
[Edited 4/14/10 19:44pm]

uPtoWnNY said:

You completely took my comment out of context. (What else is new at the org? ) Nowhere did I say or post that I sympathized or understood the attackers motives; I was pointing out that just as you, shortrini, or Dave1992 have what you feel are valid reasons for wanting to attack "thugs", perhaps the "thug" had his own reasons (which he felt justified him doing what he did).

It's sort of like a pot calling a kettle black, isn't it? The reasons for wanting to beat up someone in retaliation should be excused, but not the reason for original beat up? Like I said before, it's either wrong to beat the shit out of someone (regardles of who they are) or it's not; not sometimes okay and sometimes not.

jone70 said:

No, there's definitely a borderline to some things.

You are right; who's to say that our slapping that mofo's heard is justified? Well, apart from us, maybe a couple of thousand other people? Maybe it's only us three? But then again, who's to say it isn't justified to slap a mofo when he attacks old people?

It's sick, just like sexual crimes (involving children). If you have the coolness to look at it the this-is-my-country's-law kind of way and you think there is reason good enough the thug should be punished according to what stands in the books, that's okay for you. I think it should take a little bit more for him to pay for what he did. Simple as that.

DesireeNevermind said:

I could not have said it better myself!!

jone70 said:

What you said, makes no sense. Why? Because we live in a "civilized" society. Nobody,(at least, nobody that I know, goes around taking their anger out on people). If they do, then that person should seek out and get help!!

shorttrini said:

Au contraire, my line of thinking is perfectly logical. You (and the aforementioned others) have been arguing this entire thread about how the alledged attacker deserves for someone to go around and take their anger out on him. (isn't that what you mean by 'getting what he deserves in Rikers, etc.?) And based on your latest comment you believe those who do (take their anger out on others) should seek help. So do you or don't fall into the latter category?

You're using circular logic, so this conversation can only go in circles. I give up. Go beat his ass and every one else's who you think deserve it; and be sure not to mind when other people wish the same fate on you. Maybe then you'll get what I'm saying.

jone70 said:

Let me asked you. What if it was your mom or significant other, that was beaten or maybe worse? Would you feel the same? Or would you want to take action? My mom and my girlfriend are the two most precious things to me and I would do anything to protect them. But, in the end, I do not trust this justice system. It is biased in many ways especially when it comes to protecting those who don't have money.

shorttrini said:

If it was someone close to me, I would still want it to go through the proper channels (e.g. the legal system). I am not for (vigilante) violence. Karma takes care of things in her own way and time -- I don't need to try to expediate the time it may take, or take matters into my own hands. (I believe to try to do so would be a negative mark on my karma.)


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[Edited 4/15/10 10:29am]

I so want to catch this thug