Mars23 said:

I can't find any others that actually quit a game. In the playoffs. In crunchtime. And Phil Jackson absolutely told it like it was after the game. He said Pippen "asked out of the game" and Jackson was pissed.

Yes, Pippen has some fair stats. Thanks to Michael Jordan for that. Keep in mind, I'm not saying Pippen was a stiff. He could play. But not at Hall of Fame level, IMHO.

We all saw how Mike did without Scottie in Washington..

Scottie Pippen took alot of pressure off Jordan. His unselfishness offensively and tremendous defensive awareness gave Michael the freedom to do what he did.

I grew up hating the Bulls, but always loved and respected #33. Well deserved HOF IMHO. (wow that alot of letters)

NewPowerToad said:

It's crazy to think that Scottie SHOULDN'T be in the HOF.

What is this nonsense, Pippen is a HOF'er, case closed. Yeah, he didn;t enter a game, he also punked out in the 90 playoffs vs. the Pistons, sucked ass in Houston and countless other things, but the man is a HOF'er.

What we shoud be discussing is the cats who should be in ...

Bernard King
Sudney Moncrief
Artis Gilmore

RodeoSchro said:

Are you kidding? Kobe Bryant once quit on his team for an ENTIRE 2nd half of a Game 7 against the Suns back in the 2006 playoffs. The Lakers blew a 3-1 lead that series and rather than fight Kobe gave up and said to hell with it. Even Laker fans were ready to disown him. Should we dwell on that one half and say he shouldn't be allowed in the HOF as well?



Ignorance. Pippen's best stats on both sides of the ball came when Jordan was playing baseball. In '94 without Jordan beside him Scottie Pippen put up 22ppg on 49% shooting), 9 boards, 6 assists, along with 3 steals a game. He made All-NBA first team (leading vote-getter), All-Defense first team (leading vote-getter) and was 3rd in MVP voting.

In '95 he lead the Bulls in every major statistical category (one of only 4 players in NBA history to do so) and was once again All-NBA first team and All-Defense first team (leading vote-getter from coaches). In other words he was a Top 5 player on both sides of the ball WITHOUT Jordan. That's what you call HOF level.



Don't ever, EVER compare Robert Horry to Scottie Pippen LOL. I don't care how many rings Horry has. That just shows an unheard of level of stupidity. Robert Horry NEVER established himself as one of the top players in the game. Robert Horry NEVER established himself as one of the top defensive players of all-time. Robert Horry is a 7 point career scorer with a peak season of 12 points on 41% shooting, 6 rebs, and 4 assists. That was his PEAK lol. You don't compare a career roleplayer like Horry to a complete player like Scottie Pippen. If anyone can't see the difference between the two players that person is dumber than a sack of hammers.

ChrisWall said:

Much as I hate that bitch Scottie Pippen, this is pure gospel. Is Pippen on Magic, Bird or Jordan's level? Hell no, but he is a HOFamer, no doubt.

...and yes, it's a crime Bernard King is not in the Hall. The man was simply, UNSTOPPABLE.

NDRU said:

Josh Smith's better numbers, 16 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 blocks, 1.5 steals can't even get him in the All-Star game.

He's not the primary scorer either, of course (3rd on team).

Fauxie said:

Watch prime Scottie Pippen and Josh Smith, and that should be your answer.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

But prime Josh Smith is an absolute beast! Like near quadruple double kinda beast. J-Smoove's problem is precisely that his prime is way above what he typically delivers.

RodeoSchro said:

Really. Scottie is easily one of the BEST defensive players of all time. He changed the point foward position in the NBA and all yea...won 6 titles.

RodeoSchro said:

Really? Last I checked, Scottie had Portland 30 seconds from going 2 the Finals until Kobe hit Shac with an olly op dunk 2 give the Lakers the win.

RodeoSchro said:

Are u really comparing Horry 2 Scottie?

Y'all have went crazy talkin' bout Scottie P and a HOF'er. Was James Worthy, Robert Parish, Sam Jones, not HOF players?

uPtoWnNY said:

In case you didn't hear, Dennis Johnson is also going in.

xpertluva said:

Did you see Michael's Hall Of Fame speech where he said that he couldn't have won 6 championships without Scottie Pippen being there with him? If Mike thinks he's Hall Of Fame worthy how dare anyone else say he is not?

Graycap23 said:

No, I'm responding to Timmy's assertion that simply because Pippen has (gravy-trained his way to) six rings, he's a Hall of Famer.

Wow, he ALMOST got the Blazers to a Finals. Awesome - I'll then grant you that he's ALMOST a Hall of Famer.

And to ChrisWall - so what if Pippen led the Bulls in all stats one year? ONE YEAR. Big whoop.

As I've said before, Pippen was good - a dog and a quitter, but good. It's true the Bulls were basically Jordan and him. So when Jordan got suspended.....errrr, tried his hand at baseball, it's not surprising at all that Pippen had his best stats and then led the Bulls in everything.

Who the hell else did they have?

Fauxie said:

Thank you very much!

These stats geeks....geez, they think numbers tell the whole story.

Graycap23 said:

Hey man, show me anyone in basketball or baseball that made the Hall of Fame because of their defense or glove work.

You should be able to find loads of slick-fielding, .225-hitting shortstops in Cooperstown, LOL.

dseann said:

Man, I couldn't get past his whining, bitching and throwing friends in the grease. Guess I missed the Pippen reference.

RodeoSchro said:

Scottie was much more than that. Stick 2 the topic.

RodeoSchro said:

Wow.....if u were any more off base u would be in another county.

RodeoSchro said:

To paraphrase ... He said "Michael Jordan didn't win those six championships alone Scottie Pippin was there with me for all of them". Let's give credit where credit is due. Scottie is after all, one of the 50 greatest players of all time.

Graycap23 said:

Hey, you're the one that was pimping his defensive skills.

dseann said:

LMAO, I thought that was a sham, too. No freaking way Pippen is one of the greatest 50 players of all time, IMHO.

RodeoSchro said:

Oh please.

Graycap23 said:

That's the beauty of sports arguments. I think you're way off base, too.

Don't forget, I'm not arguing that Pippen wasn't a very good player. He was. i can't stand the dude, but I'll give him that.

I just think he was not HOF-worthy.

RodeoSchro said:

Pippen would shut down more than half of the players in the HOF. I mean SHUT down. He took Magic completely out of the NBA finals in 1991. Just one example.

Graycap23 said:

Great. Vernon Maxwell shut down MJ. Jordan had a losing record against the Rockets (as a Bull, not even counting the Wizards stretch). But that isn't going to put Maxwell in the Hall of Fame.

Just as it isn't going to put Bruce Bowen or Ron Artest in the Hall, either.

Oh, and speaking of the Rockets' dominance over the Bulls in the Jordan era, I guess Hakeen Olajuwan isn't one of those players Pippen shut down.

RodeoSchro said:

LOL why would Pippen guard Dream i the first place. Did you know MJ never got past the first round without Scottie? He was basically Tracy McGrady before help arrived. Take Pippen of the Bulls, you think MJ s getting six rings alone? Hell, is he reaching the conference finals against the Knicks or Pistons, lol.

You're speaking of Pippen as if he's some role player and not a multiple time All-Star and All-NBA selection and All-Defensive team and two time Olympian.

Don't compare him with mad Max or hell even Artest and Bowen. If Artest or Bowen had half the resume Scottie hap, they'd be in the Hall of Fame along with Pippen.

RodeoSchro said:

Does Vernon have 6 rings?