thekidsgirl said:

i liked angel, much more than i thought i would. but i never get sick of buffy

meow85 said:

logo has some good stuff, but are still very new. there's a lot of filler.

CarrieMpls said:

totally agree. i have never understoof why people diss the 6th season. i thought it was increible, and arguably the best. it's a little chaotic, but it's a reflection of how chaotic their lives have become.

adam was the lamest big bad, and the initiative got a bit silly.

lazycrockett said:

3 is the last year of HS? that was a great one. faith and the mayor were fantastic as bad daddy/daughter, as were the good father/daughter mix of giles and buffy

paintsprayer said:

I don't hate the high school years but I think it was best after they graduated. In some ways the change in tone and style was such that it felt like two different series.

meow85 said:

are you reading the season 8 comics? the nevest TPB has a buffy dream where you see spike and angel about to make out and then reaction from the others.

cborgman said:

You totally have to see it in order! The great thing about the show is that it has a sense of humor. At first, it is campy like the original movie, and then later in the series it gets darker and more ironic... Like I said previously, the two years before the last year grabbed the hell out of me! And I am really hard to please! I set my standards by Anne Rice novels...and Buffy measured up big time! I want to see that musical again! Guess I'll have to buy it...sigh!

can i just say that my favorite minor character EVER is vampire harmony? EVERY episode she appears in kills me, especially the psychotic love of unicorns.

cborgman said:

It was definitely interesting, and I have to give the writers a lot of credit for switching up so well what could have ended up as a lame rehash or as B'Angel 2.0.

Doesn't stop me from wanting to smack Buffy when I watch some of that though.

I mean, the woman has seen proof before that vampires and demons aren't devoid of individual personality and emotion. They may be evil, but she knows they're sentient beings with feelings. And I know a lot of her behaviour is supposed to be stemming from fear and anger and frustration, but Jesus! Spike may not be human or even had his soul yet at that point, but how dehumanizing is it to be told point blank that you're a thing; to not even be acknowledged as (something of a) person? Constantly?

cborgman said:

She ended up as a much more well-rounded and better written character than poor Oz ever got the chance to be.

cborgman said:

I saw it, and I felt cheated.

Joss is such a tease! He knows a good chunk of the fans want it, and still...tease.

cborgman said:

She cracks me up in AtS season 5. They can be in the middle of some huge serious thing, and Harmony pops up demanding a raise or more space for pink stuff at W&H....

Was it ever confirmed how old William and Liam were when they were turned and became the souled vamps we know and love today?

meow85 said:

i agree, but i think they were doing so in a way to subtley point out what you are saying.

for all people wrote it off as a frivilous little show, it makes some of the most compelling arguments for tolerance, acceptance, and looking beyond the prejudgement, among many other lessons.

it really is an incredible show that way. i always argue that it is one of the most brilliant and accessible pieces of feminist art i have ever seen.

meow85 said:

i don't think i have ever cried as hard watching TV as i did during THE episode.

meow85 said:

my favorite is when spike reappears, and right before the commercial break they dod a comdy of threes with a reaction from angel, a reaction from sort-of-giles (i forget his name) and then harm just pops into frame with "HONEYBEAR?"

cborgman said:

One of my favourite things about the show has been and will probably always be it's shades-of-grey approach to morality. For all certain characters -annoyingly often, Buffy, for instance -treat good and evil as seperate and easily definable things one of the core messages of the show was that it's just Not That Simple.

An evil person can be noble and kind and fall in love, and a good person can be petty and cruel and even murderous.


As for the feminist thing? I know I'm not the only one who was genuinely surprised when I found out that Joss Whedon is a man. He tackles the issue with surprising finesse and grace, something few men -of those few that try at all -accomplish. Bless Joss.

cborgman said:

Yeah, that was rough. Especially since I deliberately avoided promos and spoilers and so didn't see it coming AT ALL.

cborgman said:

You mean Wesley, and she says BlondieBear.

meow85 said:

yes and yes

cborgman said:

Do you remember Andrew? I love when he makes an appearance in season 5 of Angel. His reaction to Spike being alive...
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meow85 said:

i love andrew in his hysterically annoying ego and geekery.

he's kinda cute too. i love his little latently gay crushes on every alpha man in the show.

meow85 said:

This show, in my opinion, was one of the best to introduce many complex dilemmas which are usually left in the realm of literature. Many of the classic themes were introduced in an entertaining way about life, spirituality, etc. in an Anne Rice sort of way--who is my standard for this type of thing (although a professor I had in college who taught Anne Rice would disagree!). The show started out as a campy spin-off of the movie and later developed a wicked sense of humor...and, at the end, got even darker and more compelling with the characters so much so that you couldn't wait to see what happened next! The only show subsequently that affected me in this way was The Sopranos! I haven't seen anything about it...but I think Anne Rice would like where this series dared to go...like she did in her novels! Thumbs Up!

and i adore anya in her lack of a filter between her brain and her mouth.

i really identify with tara more than anyone else. tara and her naivety and innocence and relentless positivity are so me. she always makes me think about the buddhist quote about the most beautiful lotus grows in the filthiest of mud. (paraphrased)

cborgman said:

i love but never quite understood the fear of rabbits thing but it still makes me laugh...
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insatiable3 said:

Plus the show gave us one of the best hours of tv eva.

cborgman said:

I dunno how latent that was....


"Spike is SO cool! Oh, and, um, I mean Anya is hot too."

poetcorner61 said:

That would make sense, as Joss & Co certainly owe a debt of gratitude to Ms. Rice for her influence. I doubt Spike and Angel would even exist, for example, without Louis and Lestat to use as templates.